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them are life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness. for america that means all of us. >> let george know that his name is going down in history. they may have put their knee on his but he will now be a figure that we will take the knees off our necks now. >> dad changed the world. >> and it turns out he did. our look at the long road to a three and no conviction by a jury of derek chauvin's peers. the road from here? that would be up to the rest of us. that is our broadcast for this tuesday now to with our thanks for being here with us, on behalf of my colleagues at the network of nbc news, goodnight. >> thanks for joining us. shimmery stone is a reporter, a longtime reporter for the nbc
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station, and bc news for, mr. stone shot this footage today as the country learned, all at once, altogether what's the verdict would be. >> oh thank god. >> how are you feeling right now? >> i am numb, i still feel sadness about it all that we're here. >> what about you ma'am, i see you have tears in your eyes right now? >> i feel so relieved. i feel relieved. i don't see how it could've been otherwise but i do think it could've been otherwise actually. >> as an african american woman what is happening in your mind? >> i am inclined that i have live to see this in my lifetime. i never felt that i would love to see it and i'm 91 years old. >> i am 91 years old.
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i don't see how it could've been otherwise but i do know that it could've been otherwise. that was in washington d.c. today. this was in minneapolis at the site where george floyd was killed last year by derek chauvin, the gentleman you will see here has just heard the verdict and he is leading a chant of george floyd's name until he can't anymore. >> george floyd. >> george floyd. >> george floyd. >> it was today in minneapolis. this is another scene from that same site at that same time, the place where mr. george floyd died last year, this is the moment when the verdict was reach, you will see people learning it in realtime. >> derek chauvin, we the jury
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of the above unintentional second degree murder while committing a felony find the defendant guilty. >> after the verdict was read not just on that first count but on all three counts, guilty on all three counts, what's transpired next in the courtroom very quickly, the prosecution asked for derek chauvin to be remanded into custody while he awaits sentencing, the judge instantly agreed to that. mr. chauvin then stood, he put his hands behind his back and he was handcuffed, and he was led away to custody. it is expected that he may appeal but for now, he is
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jailed awaiting his sentence. it suggested the sentence could be considerably more than ten years in prison, mr. chauvin sentencing will be in roughly eight weeks and we shall see. it was not at all a certainty that this was going to go this way. and the whole reason the country was holding its collective breath today, waiting for this verdict like perhaps nothing since the o.j. simpson trial, all those years ago. the reason the country was all and shells today, waiting for this verdict, the reason the anticipation was so thick you could cut it with a knife was because even after that trial we all just saw, even after that blunt and overwhelming evidence, in this country, how could you know that it would turn out this way? like that 91 year old woman in d.c. said through her tears of relief, she said i don't see how it could've been otherwise but i do know it could've been otherize. and we actually know from the
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public record that in the normal course of events, had there not been a very significant intervention by some every day random civilian american it's not just that it is unlikely that it turned out the way that it did today, it really would not have turn this way barring that integration from those by standing americans and we know that. we know that it wasn't going to go this when the normal course of event, from the initial public statement that the minneapolis released to the department after george floyd died, this was their statement after george floyd died in minneapolis last may. look at the headline. men died after a medical incident during police interaction. is that what you call? it may 25th 2020, minneapolis, it monday evening shortly after 8 pm, officers responded to the block, located the suspect. he was ordered to step from his
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car. after he got out he resisted officers. officers were able to get the suspect into handcuffs and noted here appeared to be suffering medical distress. officers called for an ambulance, demand was transported by ambulance where he died a short time later. quote at no time were weapons of any type used by anyone involved in this incident. that was what they had released at the time, that was the official record of what had happened, nothing to see here, no guns drawn, nobody got shot, this guy had an unfortunate incident. it was a weird coincidence, he was being questioned by police and then he died. while he died at the hospital after the hospital were very kind to know that he appeared to have some sort of medical incident and so they called the police, clearly the medical distress had nothing to do with them. he died later, we just wanted to let you know. that was going to be the official version of what happened. man dies after medical incident during police interaction. that was going to be the public record of this incident. except, for the fact that there
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were witnesses. they saw it, they confronted the police while it was happening, they filmed what happened for real, who posted those videos of what had happened for real and who then ultimately, agreed to testified as to what they saw. that is the reason that ultimately this prosecution was able to happen at all. that is the reason that the prosecution could make this closing argument they made to the jury in which they simply asked a jury, what did you see? >> why is it necessary to continue applying deadly restraint to a man who is defenseless, who was handcuffed, who was not resisting, who is not breathing, who doesn't have a pulse and go on to do that for another three plus minutes before the ambulance shows up and then to continue doing it.
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how is that a reasonable exercise in the use of force? >> that closing argument could only be made to the jury. how is it a reasonable use of force right? how is it a reasonable use of force to apply deadly restraint to a man who is defenseless, handcuff, not resisting, not breathing, doesn't have a pulse after the ambulance shows up, they keep doing that for another three minutes? after he doesn't have a pulse they continue doing it, how is that a reasonable exercise and the use of force? they could only put that to the jury because of the public record of would actually happened. because the witnesses who saw what happened, and who then had the presence to testify about it in open court, the young woman who shot the now world known footage, the footage who took the world over of mr. floyd being killed by the police officer, you may remember her testimony at trial. he shot that video last year
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when she was 17 years old, she is only 18 years old now, nevertheless she agreed to testify an open court at the trial. she wept in regret that she hadn't done even more. >> it's been nights i've stayed up apologizing and apologizing to george floyd for not doing more and not physically interacting and not saving his life. >> darnella frazier, age 17 when she shot the video that basically led to this all counts conviction of this police officer today. that was her testimony at trial, today on facebook she said this after the verdict was read. she said thank you god, thank you, thank you, thank you. young miss frazier, and the other by standards who try to
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intervene, who pressed record on their cellphones, who testified about what they saw, the attorney general who brought the case, the clergy who supported the family, the family themselves, the president of the united states credited those witnesses and thank them. >> people who stopped and raise their voices on may 25th 2020, old, young, men and women, black and white, a man from the neighborhood just walking to get a drink. a child going to buy snack with her cousin. an off-duty firefighter on her way to a community garden brave young women, teenagers, who pressed records on their cellphones. why did they stop? they didn't know george floyd, they didn't know he had a beautiful family, they didn't know he had been a great athlete and they did not know he was a proud father or that
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he had people in his life who loved him. they stopped and raise their voices and they even challenged authority because they saw his humanity. they stopped and they raise their voices because they knew that what they were seeing was wrong. they didn't need to be medical professionals or experts in the use of force, they knew it was wrong. and they were right. they performed simple, yet profound, acts of courage. they told the truth and they told the whole world the truth about what they saw. >> such a verdict is also much too rare. for so many people it seems like it took a unique and extraordinary convergence of factors, a brave young woman with a smartphone camera, a crowd who was traumatized, traumatized witnesses.
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a murder that lasted almost ten minutes, in broad daylight. for the whole world to see. officers standing up and testifying against a fellow officer instead of just closing ranks which should be commended. we saw how traumatic and exhausting just watching the trial was for so many people. think about it. those of you listening. think about how dramatic it was for you, you weren't there, you don't know any of these people but it was difficult. especially for the witnesses, who had to relive that day. it is a trauma. as we saw in this trial from the federal police officer who testified, most men and women who wear the badge serve the communities honorably. but those few who failed to meet that standard must be held accountable and they were
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today. one was. no one should be above the law, and today's verdict sends that message. but it is not enough. we can't stop here. in order to live a real change and reform, we can and we must do more to reduce the likelihood that tragedies like this will ever occur again. >> president biden speaking today from the white house in response to the guilty on all counts jury verdict. and the police killing. the president went on to call of the passage of the policing act as the vice president harris. she was a cool off of that criminal justice reform bill when she was in the senate. she spoke about that tonight at her remarks at the white house. we will speak with the lead author of that bill and think about the prospects especially with all of that renewed energy to try to enact it. but here we are, there was a conviction.
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and also, the universal knowledge that it had to be this blatant, this severe, this, as the president said, and near ten minute murder on tape, for there to be any hope of conviction. and even still then, no one was sure. today when the verdict had been read president biden called the floyd family directly, he referenced the fact that george floyd seven year old daughter gianna had told him before the dad's funeral last year that her dad was going to change the world. >> gianna, hi honey. >> i'm feeling better now and nothing is going to make it all better but at least there is some justice. and you know, i think of gianna's comment. my dad is going to change the world. he's going to start to change now. >> that is right.
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>> a man. >> >> he's about to change now. >> he's about to change it now, joining us now is minnesota -- who has been covering the trial since it has started and has joined us many time to help us understand. mr. williams thanks for being with us. >> thanks for having me back. >> this is a big national moment, i don't think there has been as much in dissipation for a jury verdict in the last 20 years. and i personally feel like i'm not quite sure what to make of it, and maybe the importance of the moment is not clear right now. as somebody who saw this from very close up both in the trial and in the courtroom and from minneapolis covering this case from the beginning, what is your take on the jury's verdict today? >> so now, i think the
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outpouring of emotion we've been seeing from george floyd's square and downtown minneapolis outside the courthouse, it's been a long time coming. people are very well aware now there's been several high-profile police killings of black men in the past that have not resulted in criminal charges, at least and at the very most convictions. what you are seeing is a lot of this built up frustration and pain and emotion people were releasing today. i was taking a walk by the courthouse, minutes after it was read, and i'm seeing some of the same reaction but also seeing people saying things like, well, we need to get one more conviction. they were talking about the killing of daunte wright in
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brooklyn center. people aren't going to take this as being an end of the story. it's the beginning of many of them. for many of them. momentum going forward in efforts to stop this type of thing from happening again. >> on the point of that momentum, i was struck today to see long variable argued remarks from attorney general ellison, minnesota attorney general keith ellison, and to see the echoes of his comments from vice president harris and further echoes a bit in the comments from president biden. all directly trying to say that the emotion and feeling a sense of possibility people may feel because of this verdict should be channeled into international policing reform bill that's pending before the senate right now. the george floyd justice and policing act.
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this is what those elected political leaders are trying to say is the right next thing to do. seeing that from those high-level elected officials as one thing. do you sense that there is momentum to support something like that among people on the ground who have been engaged in so much activism but also in the midst of this male storm around this case? >> yeah. there's been a push. local city officials to bring about not just reforms to the police department, but to dismantle the police department, replace it with public safety agency that would include people who are not armed, not calling police officers to respond to certain types of events. just last week, a council member posed having a traffic enforcement that would not be police officers to address the
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traffic solves we saw a resulted in the fatal shooting of daunte wright. there have been ideas going forward in minneapolis, brought about by city council members. they've been restricted by city charter and needs to be change in order for these things to happen. restricted by state law, which restricts when it comes to civilian authorities that there is a lot of basically restrict the subpoena power of the civilian review authorities that local officials have been trying to get back. it's going to take on different levels for people who are really trying to get some actual changes, it's going to take reforms that are going to happen at the city level, state level, and as you mentioned, some federal legislation as well. >> minnesota public radio reported -- thank you for your time. tonight thank you for your help over the duration of this trial in terms of contextualizing it and what's happening in minnesota we. >> you're welcome.
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>> today's verdict does offer a measure of relief for george floyd's family. it's also bittersweet for those who have an acute personal sense of what the floyd family lost. women like sabrina fulton, leslie. last week a few of them gather to speak out and embrace katie right, another 20-year-old daunte wright who was shot and killed by police officer during a traffic stop in minneapolis just a couple weeks ago. one of those mothers offered these words of comfort from one grieving mother to another. >> you are not in this alone. we are here, we are here for you. as these mothers reached out to you, i reached out to. you i embrace you, i empower
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you and i hold you in my heart. because i know what it is you are going through. you don't know which way to turn. you don't know who to listen to. but pray to god. he will guide your footsteps. in my son's case, i didn't get a day in court. only a departmental trial which was not enough. that's why i fight. i fight so hard. i don't only fight for my child, i fight for everyone's child. because they could knock on any one of your door, any day. >> gwen carr is the mother of eric garner. eric garner killed in 2014 with a new york city police officer put him in a chokehold while arresting him on this inspection he was committing the grave crime of selling cigarettes. eric garner dining words, i can't breathe, have become a rallying cry amid myriad coast to coast protest against police
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brutality senses death. as for the issue of justice and accountability and mr. garner's case, a grand jury decided there is no probable cause to indict the officer who killed eric garner. as mr. garner's mother just said, you heard, she did get a departmental trial. essentially officer faced a disciplinary hearing five years later, that at least did and with his firing in the police force. that was it. joining us now is gwen carr, eric garner's mother who has put herself out to support women around the country who have gone through similar tragedies. miss gwen carr, thank you for joining me tonight. it's an honor to have some of your time. >> thank you for having me. >> i just wanted to know your reaction to the verdict in the chauvin trial? you put yourself out there to try to support daunte wright's mother when he was killed just a couple weeks ago in minneapolis, very nearby where this trial was held. there's been so much emotion
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and anticipation and worry in this country about this verdict. what's your reaction to it today? >> it's so much tragedy going on. one thing after another. today, just to hear they were going to do the right thing to charge the police officer with a crime he committed. fears came to my eyes when the verdict came down. finally, we get a glimmer of justice. that just doesn't happen. that didn't happen in my case, in sean bell's case, and michael brown, or -- in none of our cases. you know, it was like the evidence was there, and with my son, it was a video just like in george floyd's case.
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but they decided not to indict, adding insult to injury. they dragged their feet for five years before the doj said they weren't going any further. you know, we have to go further, as mothers, as families, we are going to go further. that's the only way we are going to push them to do the right thing, and that's the only way i even got a departmental trial. >> miss carr, what gives you the power, the strength, the energy to reach out to other families, to other mothers who have gone through tragedy similar to what you have gone through with losing your son? i can't imagine the toll it has taken on you and your family. to be able to endure, that toll and put yourself out there at your own expense and cost of your own energy and costa reliving all that trump again
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to support other women in similar circumstances when their grief is so wrong. how do you have the strength to do it. >> well, first of all, i have to pray a lot. you have to pray before you go out here on this journey. second of all, when you can make another mother a little more comfortable after she has left her child, just embracing her, or trying to listen to her story or trying to talk to her child in a positive flay, it's a form of therapy. sometimes, when the mother is not where you are, they are bed ridden, hospitalized, taking heavy medication and some are even tempted to commit suicide and if you can just talk these
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mothers down, say an enlightening where to them and they can come back to you and say what you said to me really helped me. you know, that's their ppe. it makes you feel better about yourself, and makes you feel like you are doing something for the country, doing something for the other, mothers and you are doing something for yourself, and helping your child's name get recognized. >> i am so sorry that chain of empathy has to exist in our country. and it never stops. it seems we can't even get a break in the momentum of it. your willingness to pass that forward and that way and to offer the kind of support that nobody hasn't been through it can offer somebody else who's in those circumstances newly. it's a deep thing you are doing
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that for the country. gwen carr, mother of eric garner, thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> all right. we do have much more to get to tonight. in just a moment, we will hear from what george white's family, the reaction today, we will speak with somebody who's been working for them for the past year. we will be looking ahead to the funeral of daunte wright which is happening just today is your. now we are going to be talking yet another police involved shooting. apparently results in a fatality of a young african-american teenage girl this evening. even as the verdict was being absorbed nationwide. like i, said it does not stop. much more ahead tonight. stay with us. ce so i only pay for what i need. 'cause i do things a little differently. hey, i'll take one, please! wait, this isn't a hot-dog stand? no, can't you see the sign? wet. teddy. bears. get ya' wet teddy bears!
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giving us the strength to stand together. sometimes we would question each other, sometimes we say this is just going to be a waste of time. but somehow you touch us in the midnight hours and teach us to hold on and that if we would be faithful over a few things, you'd give us the victory. we thank you because we know it was not any doing of ours but your love and kindness and your tender mercy, that made tonight possible. bless those that worked that made these prosecution something they could not deny. bless those policeman that got
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on the stand and testified against another policeman. bless the jury that listen to the evidence and did not listen to those that may criticize them for doing this. >> i feel relieved today that i finally have the opportunity for hopefully getting some sleep. a lot of days, i prayed and i hoped, and i was speaking everything into existence. i said i have faith that he will be convicted. ten miles away from here, mr. right, dante wright he should still be here. we have to always understand that we have to march, we will have to do this for life. we have to protests because it
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seems like this is a never-ending cycle. >> that is george floyd's brother speaking today after the verdict was read with the reverent. you heard him reference daunte wright, shot and killed by police for a traffic stop in a minneapolis suburb over a week ago. the reverend is scheduled to give the eulogy at daunte wright funeral which will happen in minnesota the day after tomorrow. joining us now is the reverend, president of the national network action on msnbc. reverend it is so good to see you, i just have to ask you how you are after this emotional day, how is mr. floyd's family and we were with them today? >> well i'm feeling very good for them, but challenge to make sure that we turn this moment into a real change, in terms of
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policy in law. i gave the eulogy on both george floyd's funeral and daunte wright funeral, and more importantly we another groups kept marching and then we saw groups just rise up on their own all over the world and i think today we won a round, but the fight is not over. we must pass the george floyd federal bill so we will not have to do it state by state. there is a when in minnesota, but the law hasn't changed and there is no federal law, and if we are to really have change we must change the laws of policing. not anti policing, the policeman who testified at this trial show that policeman understand that bad police must be subject to the law, not above the law. >> what do you think reverend the prospects are for passing that law? i was struck today to hear you talk about the george floyd
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justice and policing act, to talk attorney general talk about it in his remarks, to hear vice president harris talk about it not only her support but the necessity and that she had a right in writing it. we heard the president himself jump in with both feet saying that that needs to happen and that that must pass, to take all of this emotion in what's feels like momentum, which feels like a moment in this country and to push hard that that is the right next step, it made me feel different about the prospect of that passing today than i did before. i know your student of politics as march as you are of anything else, do you think like the political reality is that it could pass? >> i do because i think that reality has to adjust to new realities and there's a new reality tonight. people feel like this can happen. people are going to in my opinion continued to fight.
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i remember you said that i was a student, when i was a kid just joining the movement in the north, people did not feel you can get avoiding rights act, president lyndon johnson told martha luther king junior that we just got the civil acts right we cannot go back to the senate and the congress and get the voting rights act, and he told his assistance that we will have to go back south and march and make it possible for it to happen, and it did the next year, the 65 voting rights act. when you have a movement of all kinds of people, intergenerational, interracial it changes the political climate that the senate and others have to operate. and that climate change. i remember rachel, last august martin luther king the third called a march in washington in the middle of the pandemic, the height of the pandemic, over 200,000 people came and a third of them was white, and when we saw that crowd, when we solve
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the makeup of that crowd, intergenerational, interracial, and it was happening all over the world, we knew the possibility was there like it was in the sixties, a generation ahead of us to really make change. but it is not legislative change it will only be temporary. >> reverend al sharpton, reverend thank you so much for being with us today, i know it has been a long, emotional, intense day, thank you for being with us today. i appreciated. >> thank you. >> congresswoman karen bass is going to be joining us next, we're gonna take a quick break, but we have been talking so much about the policing act, which everybody involved at every level of this fight and of this case is talking about as the thing that might make a real difference nation wide in terms of policing reform, something that might prevented this from happening again. karen bass is the lead sponsor of that legislation, it is now
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pending, she will join us live next. >> the ongoing still being told
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story of police violence against people of color in this country is a story that largely gets tolls about the individual lives lost and the individual police officers, the individual cases, but even though the stories gets told case by case, the national movement that has risen up around this has inspired some federal lawmakers to try to address this systemically on a national level. right now there is a bill pending incentive that will dramatically change how policing happens all over the country. it is a bill called the george floyd justice and policing act, and it passed the house in march on a mostly party line vote, mostly because one republican did vote for a red though he later said that he only voted for it by accident, inspiring. the bill among other things would work choir body cams, it
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would ban military quick mint, it would ban no knock warrants, it would end the kind of legal protections that police officers have used in court to avoid accountability for excessive use of force and a lot more. like i said this bill has already passed out of the house, the lead house sponsor of this bill karen bass says she is now working with democratic senator cory booker and republican congressman to pass a bill in the senate and more than any other time in the past it feels like there may be momentum to actually do this. joining us now is congressman karen bash is the former chair of the black caucus inches the league sponsor of the george floyd justice and policing act, it's a pleasure to see you, thank you for making time for us. >> thank you. >> let me just ask you about the verdict today and how much focus turned very quickly
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towards your bill being the next potential step that we could take nationwide to make a real change? a lot of people are talking about that today, state level leaders, faith leaders, members of the floyd family, national leaders, saying this is the thing that we could do to really make a difference? >> absolutely, because we see case after case and then there is word that another case happened today, so clearly we have to do something to transform policing in the united states. i have been watching this and i have been involved in this issue for decades and it is terrible that it took the world witnessing the torture and murder of an individual to bring about this type of change, but i do think that we are on the cusp of doing that. so i am hopeful today, i don't know what i would've done if the verdict had turned out wrong, but it didn't. so i am hoping that the measure of hope that we all got today
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will be enough to get us over the finish line and put it over president biden's desk. >> i want to ask about the focus and the bill, it has a lot of different components. there is a focus about police officers getting training around things like implicit bias. one of the things i found disheartening about watching the chauvin trial was the focus over the course of the trial and how much training he had had. how many hundreds of hours of training that he had had. of course that played a role in the decision by the jury to decide whether or not he was following his training when he killed mr. floyd. i wonder if there is reason to feel hopeful that some sort of different focus in training, some national standards and training good make a difference in real life and not just on paper. >> i think it has to. you also have to take into consideration what is the type of training he received?
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oh man that killed dante wright had been on the service, the force for 26 years. after 26 years, don't you know the difference between a taser and a gun? i would raise a question as to what is the type and quality of training and you raised the key issue, there are no national standards. we have 18,000 police departments around the country, no national standards, which is why chokehold is okay one place, and other place it isn't, no knock warrants are okay, you need to have standardized accreditation and testing for officers. we want policing to be like most other professions that have national standards, that have accountability. when we look at derek chauvin looking at the camera when he was torturing george floyd, he did it with impunity, because he didn't think anything would happen. with the take it away. which is why qualified immunity is important and why we have to lower the standards to prosecute officers.
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we won't see case after case that aren't even prosecuted. >> congresswoman bass, in the senate, there is this reconciliation, budget reconciliation process. that allows for some legislation to get around a filibuster from the republican minority in the senate, if something is perceived as having, perceived by the parliamentarian to have a budget consequence. it can be passed through reconciliation if there aren't going to be 60 votes. the democrats could conceivably pass some of this legislation by that reconciliation process. i'm thinking about the provision in your bill that would ban the chance for a military equipment to police departments around the country. are you thinking about some of those strategic factors and how this might be able to pass in the senate? >> no. but we are trying to do is come to a bipartisan agreement. i don't know if you could pull out a section of the bill and
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see if you could do it through budget reconciliation. we haven't consider that. we've been having bipartisan discussion. you noted the two leads in the senate, tim scott and cory booker. we do believe we can reach a point where we will get 60 votes in the senate. >> congresswoman karen bass of california, sponsor of the george floyd justice and policing act which passed the house. great to see you, congresswoman, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> we've got much more ahead here tonight. stay with us. ight stay with us this is the sound of better breathing. fasenra is a different kind of asthma medication. it's not a steroid or inhaler. fasenra is an add-on treatment for asthma driven by eosinophils. it's one maintenance dose every 8 weeks. it helps prevent asthma attacks, improve breathing, and lower use of oral steroids. nearly 7 out of 10 adults with asthma may have elevated eosinophils.
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now, since floyd was killed, we have been in an on again off again rolling state of protests nationwide. and even worldwide. protests against his killing as far away as europe and latin america and the middle east. the epicenter of the protests has always been minneapolis itself, where george floyd was killed by now-convicted officer derek chauvin. one interesting key figure in those protests from the very beginning was a non unexpected one. a six foot 8:30 year old pro basketball player, former nba star and minnesota native royce white, mr. whites activism started just after the video surfaced last year of george floyd's death. he saw that video, he sent text to a group of high-profile minnesota athletes, 30 of them, his own personal network of college and professional players. he told him it was time to get publicly involved with the struggle, quote, enough was enough. mr. white called on them to attend a march, and they made a
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striking vanguard at that march. that group of 30 quickly turned into hundreds, ultimately turned into thousands. at first, march the march from the west bank stadium in the minnesota vikings played, down a major interstate, and over the mississippi river. russ white has been an essential figure in the ongoing minneapolis protests over the death of george floyd ever since. he's recently been protesting the brooklyn center minnesota after the death of 20 year old daunte wright. joining us now is activists former nba player race white. mr. white, it's a pleasure to have you with us tonight. thank you for being with us on this night of all nights. >> thank you for having me. >> tell me about where you were when you learned about the verdict today, your reaction to the jury's findings? >> my sons has been homesick for the last few days. you had an upset stomach, commit to get him a covid test. i was forced to be in a clinic when the verdict came down. we have people on the ground there, the government center.
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we've been watching this trial with great interest, heavy hearts for george floyd and his family, and hoped today's verdict gives them some peace and it serves some presidents as we move forward. >> we've been watching all night live footage from minneapolis and specifically from outside the cup foods, now george floyd square. where mr. floyd was killed and where there has been essentially a yearlong vigil there for him, and demanding justice for him. how do you think that the verdicts will be received overall in minneapolis? but do you see for your city and for minnesota given all the pain and trauma of that killing, that case, and now ongoing other cases of similar police violence that are tearing the communities heart a new? >> well, i can't speak for what will happen. i can speak to what's should happen. i think the pressure should
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continue. obviously, we've talked about the bigger picture often, and since that first march you mentioned. i think the defense of derek chauvin did a great job of laying out how the monopoly on violence that the state has is still well intact as far as policy goes. as the red, the closing arguments, a huge emphasis on how police are trained, and the wording of the dialog, the language that lies in those policies. the monopoly on violence at the state has is still well intact, we have to continue to push back against that tyranny. pus >> but do you think the impact of the protests was in terms of the way that this case was perceived nationwide and the issue of accountability? >> i think there is too threats. the city was so emotional and so angry that fires broke out, and our protest was to try to respond to the nationwide and global narrative around violent protests with writing. ultimately, the people you
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america as a corporation, and the view our police departments as assets. they also feel and believe the value of a human life is no longer equal to those corporate assets, which is why people gather in those areas and react the way they do. our protesting on the bridge, despite -- and could've hurt citizens and thank god men were hurt. i think it made a bold statement that at the end of the day, we have to be prepared to respond to tyranny, in a very dramatic fashion. >> rice white, activist, former nba player, minnesota native, mr. white, thank you for taking time to talk with us tonight. it's a pleasure to have you here, sir. >> thank, you rachel. >> we will be right back. stay with us. stay with us
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