tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC April 22, 2021 10:00pm-11:00pm PDT
thanks to gave good here as we, do know. and rachel, one more thing before you go very important thing i was listening to gina mccarthy on your show, and it wasn't easy, i notice, to describe exactly what her job is because she's not secretary of, and she's not administrator, so she described it as a chief of environmental advisor, climate adviser, she described it as hanging out with people, and she was talking about how
she was hanging out because it's the boston way you describe working. she was talking about how she was hanging out with all of these people who were working on the infrastructure bill, and she rattled off every member of the cabinet involved, even beyond that. did you notice who she left out? >> who she left out of the cabinet description, know who did she leave out. >> hint, cabinet member, i could not believe my ears and i know he couldn't believe his years, secretary of labor, mike walsh, former boston mayor was left out of that list by boston 's owns gina mccarthy. rachel, i think we have the makings of a feud here, if i can get it started tonight, because there was nothing like a boston accented feud. it is a thing to behold. >> i would like to have lawrence with his boston accent
on, moderate some sort of discussion between marty walsh angie mccarthy on cars in terms of what we are going to do about cars and electric cars when it comes to dealing with the climate. i would pay serious money for that. >> so it turns out, marty walsh and i are going to be talking about cars later in this hour because he is of course a key player in the infrastructure bill which includes stuff about electric cars and all sorts of other stuff. and we will see if he has anything at all to say about gina mccarthy, and he's going to join us later in the hour. >> this is going to be wicked fun. >> yes, it's a good day to come to work. thank you rachel. thank you. well there really is nothing and i mean nothing more mysterious than a jury. they never speak, you never know what they are thinking as
a trial proceeds, you can only guest and you can never be sure of the guesses, not even sure. and so there is nothing more suspenseful than a jury verdict. there is nothing more suspenseful than that in our lives. and in an extraordinary interview today, nbc's, gabe gutierrez, has taken us inside the jury in the trial of derek chauvin for the murder of george floyd. on this program, every night of the trial we tried to highlight for you, what we thought were the most important points for the jury that they, the points that really impress the jury and it turns out, we were right. they were thinking exactly what we were thinking about that evidence. and while gabe gutierrez was conducting that interview today with one of the jurors, in that case, members of george floyd's family attended the funeral of daunte wright, the 20 year old unarmed black man who was shot and killed by a police officer
in brooklyn center minnesota last week. reverend al sharpton once again delivered a eulogy at another funeral of been unarmed black person killed by police. >> when you see the blue wall of silence tumble in a courtroom in minneapolis, when policeman understand that they are committed to the oath rather than to their colleague, that is when we know a breakthrough is coming. that's when we know we can pass the george floyd bill because folks are not going to lie on you nor more, and next time you get ready to pull your gun, next time you get ready to bend your knee, put in your mind the picture of the man taken in handcuffs and make chauvin put his hand behind his back and walk into a penitentiary and
learned that you will pay for the crimes you committed. >> today, nbc's gabe gutierrez gave us a window inside what the jury was thinking when he interviewed one of the alternate jurors who was not one of the 12 jurors who were chosen in the end to deliberate in the case and deliver those three guilty verdicts. lisa christiansen said that if she had been chosen as one of the 12 jurors to deliver the verdict she would have voted guilty. her reactions to the evidence we're virtually identical to the reactions presented on this program during the trial, when asked who was the most important witness you'd mediately said, dr. martin toobin. here is why. >> he did a good demonstration, i understood everything he said, i thought it might be over my head because it was medical, but what was so powerful to me
is he pointed out when mr. floyd actually lost his life, pointed right down to that minute, explaining that this is the point where he's having that seizure and now he is not breathing anymore. >> you can see his eyes, he's conscious, and then you see that he isn't. that's the moment that life goes out of his body. >> we were not allowed to see the young eye witnesses who testified but the jury saw them, mrs. christiansen described what she felt when she saw one of the young eye witnesses testifying. >> she was trying to hold back her tears and you know when you hold back your tears and your chin starts quivering, i could see that. and my i started watering and i started tearing up. just from that simple little
gesture, everything was so real and genuine, i mean, i felt their feelings, i felt their pain, i felt their guilt. i could just feel it all. >> the other witness who met the most to mrs. christiansen and the rest of the jury was 18 year old darnella frazier who was 17 years old last year when she bravely aimed her phone at derek chauvin and george floyd and recorded on video the murder of george floyd. >> what's stuck in my mind as i was close to the witness stand and her words of apologizing to mr. floyd, and that night where she couldn't sleep and she was sorry that she couldn't do more to save his life, that was pretty impactful to me. it hurt me. >> here is that portion of darnella frazier's testimony that lisa christiansen just described. >> when i look at george floyd
i look at my dad, i look at my brothers, i look at my cousins, my uncles, because they are all black. i have a black father, i have a black brother, i have black friends and i look at that and i look at how that could've been one of them. it's been nights, i stayed up, apologizing and apologizing to george floyd for not doing more and not physically interacting, not saving his life. that's not what i should've done, that's what he should've done. >> every trial has its what if's. the biggest one in this trial is, what if derek chauvin testified? >> would you have liked to have
seen derek chauvin testify? >> no, i don't think it would've helped a metal. >> really? >> no. >> were you surprised that he didn't testify? >> no. i expected him not to testify. so -- i think the prosecutor had a really strong case and i think he would've incriminated himself even further. >> what was the biggest unanswered question you had, if any? >> why didn't you turn him over on his side at a certain point when you knew he was in distress? you know, why didn't we start cpr? i think if they did, the outcome may have been different. >> gabe gutierrez asked about her reaction to derek chauvin. >> what do you make of derek chauvin in a courtroom? >> i felt bad for him, i really
did. i felt sorry for him. i guess what stood out for me is that video they took a still photo of it, of him, mr. floyd's neck with his hands in his pockets and i felt like, the message i was getting from that photo was, like i'm here to do my job and nobody is gonna tell me how to do it. i felt like he was being defiant on what everybody and anybody was trying to point out to him. >> we knew that one unnamed sure lived in brooklyn center and was subject to the curfew there after nighttime protests of the police killing of daunte wright, now we know, that juror was lisa christiansen. >> you live in brooklyn center, and as that came up once you weren't in the courtroom but there was a discussion, the defense attorney at one point
wanted the jury sequestered because of what was happening here, when those protests were on their way, when daunte wright was killed, did you hear about any of that? were you at all privy to what was going on? >> i did hear about it. whether wanted to or not, the helicopters were over my house till one in the morning, i could hear all the press helicopters. i also, i could hear the flash bangs going on, if i stepped out onto my deck there i could see the smoke if i looked over there. >> you are that close to it? >> yes, the police station is seven blocks away from my house. >> and what impact did that have on you at all, or nothing with regards to this trial? >> it had impacts on me, but not as far as this trial went idle. there were two separate things. >> and there you have a picture of the american jury system working at its best. lisa christiansen did not cite anything that the lawyers said
during the trial, she made up her mind based on what the witnesses said, based on the evidence presented by witnesses as she was instructed to do by the judge. she disregarded any outside influences, even the helicopters flying over her house. joining us now is congress woman, val demings, she's a member of the house intelligence and judiciary committee and a former chief of the orlando police department. thank you very much for joining us we really appreciate it. i want to get your reaction to something that reverend sharpton said today in that painful eulogy he had to give once again at a funeral of someone, an unarmed person killed by police. he said when police understand that they are committed to the oath, rather than to their colleagues, that is when we know that a breakthrough is coming. what is your reaction to that? >> well lawrence, it's great to
be back with you and while that was powerful, when i heard it earlier, i talk a lot about taking the oath and we all can agree that police work is tough, it can be dangerous, it's difficult. but the men and women in blue, they have to always remember that the oaf that they take, when they raise their hand and they swear that they will protect and defend the constitution against all enemies, that they will protect and serve -- it's not an oath to their individual departments, it's not an oath to their colleagues it is an oath to the united states constitution that is designed and built to protect its citizens and so it was a powerful moment and you know, lawrence, i think out of every tragedy comes some good and i'm hoping that every men and women
who is wearing the uniform can listen to that today and will resets, and be reminded that their oath is to the constitution, and their commitment is to the men and women, boys and girls, in the communities in which they serve. >> you know, the good cops know how to follow the rules, follow the wrong laws of their state. let's talk about the bad cops. and one gets through to the bad cops. what about that photograph, the video derek chauvin having those handcuffs put on him, in those final moments in the courtroom before leaving that courtroom. is that the kind of message those handcuffs on that former police officer, is that the message that gets through to bad cops? >> there are again, you know, i'd like to say everybody counts. but everybody is accountable. and certainly that includes the
men and women in a profession that i spent 27 years in. you know, i think a lot of arrests, every officer does. and to see a former police officer being led away in handcuffs, certainly gets everyone's attention. but you better believe it gets the attention of the men and women who do that job. it gets the attention of everybody, all of the officers, but those -- the battle on, as the ones we should never have been hired in the first place, the ones who don't have the mind or the heart to do the job, you got to believe that image, that got their attention. >> politicians posture over their support for police all the time and it happens in congress, as you well know. it seemed to happen the other day in the house judiciary committee. i want to take a look at the moment that you had with republican jim jordan. >> it is interesting to see my
colleagues on the other side of the aisle support the police when it is politically convenient to do so. law enforcement officers risk their lives every day, they deserve better and the american people -- i have the floor, mr. jordan! what, did i strike a nerve? law enforcement officers work better, and they deserve better to be dehumanized is. cops you and your colleagues are saying -- making a shame of yourselves! >> you know, congressman, a lot of us watching you in those situations and we don't know how you do it. we don't know how you do it without, in the moments that you aren't calling people like jim jordan to task, and then when those moments come, and you're not allowed the full birth of what you want to say, what it is like in those moments. what do you wish people like jim jordan understood?
>> would jim jordan -- where he wants us to try to remember, or the black lives matter protest when he tried to remind us how he stood by law enforcement, it appears to me that he only felt motivated to stand with law enforcement during that time because a majority of the protesters were black or brown. but when it came to people who look like him breaking into the capitol and trying to undermine our democracy, stop a free and fair election, a certification of the vote, jim jordan and many of his colleagues on this side of the aisle were silent. and so, you know, we have a lot of critical issues,, lawrence, that we are dealing with in this country. covid-19, criminal justice reform, infrastructure, putting people back to work, starting schools, and saving small
businesses. we don't have time for shenanigans in political games. i would really hope that mr. jordan and my colleagues on the other side of the aisle would remember their oath. and be committed to their oath. we can do so much better. >> congresswoman and former police chief jennings, thank you so much for joining us. we always appreciate your perspective on government and police work, thank you for sharing that with us tonight. thank you. >> thank you. >> and coming up, former boston mayor, marty walsh will make his first appearance on the last word as labor secretary walsh who has been assigned by his boss, joe biden, to get the infrastructure bill through congress. marty walsh joins us next. aioli. (doorbell rings) thank you. can we be besties, simone biles? i guess? yessss! should we dismount now?
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my next guest, here's marty walsh, before introduce the secretary of labor with the most significant legislative agenda of any recent secretary of labor, let's listen to joe biden naming the key players of his team charged with getting the biden harris infrastructure package through congress. >> working with my team in the white house and these cabinet members will represent me dealing with congress, and getting the public and selling the plan, help work out the
details as we refine it and move forward. these five members will be pete buttigieg, jennifer granholm, martin fudge, marty walsh, and gina raimondo. >> today, president biden trustee jobs component of his infrastructure bill out of a virtual summit of world leaders on climate change. >> when people talk about climate, i think jobs. within our climate response lies and extraordinary engine of job creation and economic opportunity ready to be fired up. that is why i have proposed a huge investment in american infrastructure in american innovation to tap the economic opportunity that climate change presents to our workers and our communities. especially those too often that have been left out or left behind. >> joining us now, america's new secretary of labor, marty walsh. thank you very much for joining
us tonight mister secretary. >> thank you sir, it's great to be on with you again. >> now, i'm trying to get a little boston accent feud going between you and you to mccarthy because she was just on with rachel maddow on the last hour she rattle off all the people who she said she was hanging around with on climate change in the subject, and she somehow forgot the secretary of labor. >> wow. what i was saying with gina the other day, yesterday we had a meeting, you know, she's the jp so she might have got. it's okay. oh -- we were hanging out with john kerry, so, john kerry, and there's a few of us in the room. there were a lot of us talking about it. >> yeah, i'm not sure someone from jamaica knows how to get the dorchester, so i understand. so, mister secretary, joe biden when -- every time i hear him say climate change, somewhere very close to those words i hear the
wood jobs. that is a new approach to presenting this issue to voters. next to her job to make the case that this is about jobs. how do make their case to members of the senate members of the? house >> it is about jobs, there's no question about it. when i was the chair -- if i was the mayor in the city of boston, and we're talking about climate change. it was about jobs, and resiliency. it was about creating opportunities, and with what the president is talking about, he wants to reduce carbon emissions by 2030 in a way that is by building great infrastructure, clean infrastructure. creating opportunities. there is no other way to look. at it it's how he's looking, and it puts a lot of the time we look at reducing carbon emissions, and having a clean economy, or a clean environments. but the way that you get there is by having people working in these sectors and we've already in the american rescue plan
invested money in training veterans for green jobs. we are working with labor unions now and working with individual organizations around the country. the american jobs plan has other money in their for green development, and green jobs, green technology. we have a green infrastructure grid in that plan. we are going to build a grid out of this for workers, and that grit is going to be green clean energy all across the country. >> so, the job you have been given by the president is to pass the biggest infrastructure bill in history, a 2.5 trillion dollar -- senate republicans counted with their version of the infrastructure bill at about a fourth of that's, 568 billion dollars. what do you say to your former massachusetts republican governor now senator mitt romney about the 568 billion dollar proposal that he is advancing now? >> you know, it is good to see that there is a dialog
happening. and certainly, we are going to take a look at the plan that they propose today. that plan is for roads and bridge infrastructure. and with the american jobs plan is it goes a lot deeper than that. but it is worth looking and it's worth having conversations. it is willing and hopeful to get bipartisan support working on its. all the secretaries that we mentioned, the will work in on this, which trying to get a bipartisan bill. this american jobs plan is not just a democratic program, or republican program, it's an american program. it's about the american worker, and what's the american infrastructure is going to look like. there's a lot of components to the american jobs plan that was not unveiled today by republicans. so, they'll take a piece of it, and i'm happy to see that and we look at that. but was missing in that, was training, was myth-ing and that is two millions homes that we build across the country. what was missing and that is access to clean drinking water for all americans, clean pipes, getting rid of lead pipes. there's lots of conversations that we need to have before
finalizing anytime a package that will go before congress. >> when i was working in the senate one of my jobs was the chief of staff staff director of senate environment and works committee where all the infrastructure bills had to pass through and then those days, we simply call them the highway bill because everybody thought of infrastructure than as pavement, just rolling out pavement, bridges, highways and because senator more and a ham was and northeastern senator representing new york we also had an awful lot of rails and subway infrastructure, but it was basically all transportation and very little other than transportation. you were trying to broaden bad definition in a congress that has been thinking narrowly about the subject for decades. >> yes, it's true. and when you think about the economy, that's infrastructure for our childcare economy, that's infrastructure for the folks that are taken care of the older adults, when you
think about infrastructure, the broadband network across the united states of america, many young people this year when we had to shut schools down, including in boston, because of covid-19, they didn't have the infrastructure for wi-fi. clean drinking water around the country. that's infrastructure, types, all of the things that the president is talking about is infrastructure, and that infrastructure is building people -- and when we think about the moment in time that we're living in, and we have an opportunity here. we saw a lot of damage that the coronavirus has caused and the president has talked about building in better and that's what he wants to do here, that's his goal and his intention, and when you think about it, this is a once in a generation opportunity that is in front of us right now to rethink and recreate the infrastructure for the american worker and how we can create pathways for the american worker back into the middle class. 50 years ago, many of the young
people that are in this country now, before they were born or just born, their parents lived in middle class, today we don't have a middle class, we need to continue to rebuild the middle class. we have a middle class but there are not enough people that have an opportunity to get into that middle class. we have to look at that. we also have to look at communities that have been disadvantage, communities of colors, and women, 2 million women out of the workforce, the black community, the black rate of unemployment right now is far too high, so we have to build back better and that is a great opportunity to do that. >> labor secretary marty walsh, mr. secretary, thank you very much for joining us tonight, we really appreciate it. >> thank you, large. anytime you want me on, i'll be on. >> okay, and say hi to jean mccarthy the next time you're hanging with her. >> i will, i'll give jean a test tonight. >> thank you very much, we really appreciate it. coming up, these words, there are more of us, that's what alexei navalny said today in a written statement from his
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this statement today. i will sincerely say, two feelings are ranging inside of me, pride and hope. people are marching in the street. it means they know and understand everything. they won't give up their future, the future of their children, their country. yes, it will be difficult and dark for some time. but those pulling russia back historically are doomed. there are more of us in any case. >> yesterday's protesters came -- yesterday's protest came immediately after he delivered the equivalent of the russian state of the union address in which he never once mentioned alexei navalny. in that speech, he threatened retaliation for crossing the red line but never said where the red line is, or what's crossing the red line might look like. joining us now is, former u.s. ambassador to russia under obama, and an analyst.
and nadya tolokonnikova, founding member of the russian protests collective pussy riot. michael mcfaul let me start with you, and that red line in his speech, what it could possibly mean and what do you think these protests mean? >> well lawrence, you just said it, the red lines are strange if you don't define what they are, it's very mysterious to me. lot of tough talk as there always is, lot of mentions of all their nuclear new weapons, and nobody is going to bosses around. but it was very ambiguous what he meant. i think he may have been referring to maybe ukraine, he mentioned, and alleged plot to kill us mr. in belarus, i haven't seen any evidence of that, but i think he was making a statement in regions, stay out of our business or we will strike back. but >> go ahead michael. for the protests, i was incredibly impressed, lots of people came out, these people
are risking being arrested and the last time there were 10,000 arrested. i think it was really well done. mr. navalny should be very thankful for the supporters. >> nadya, i know you're very friendly with alexei navalny, friendly with his family. what do you know tonight about his medical condition? >> i know that his health is quickly deteriorating, i know that we are watching how a person is dying in front of our eyes. i am thankful to everyone who join the streets yesterday, because they have a chance to save alexei navalny. he is on hunger strike for 20 days, and he is still experiencing serious health problems because he was almost
murdered in 2020. >> nadya, it's strange for us to watch this because it seems like vladimir putin is not going to do anything to stop this and alexei navalny is committed to his hunger strike, so this could end with his death. what would happen then? with the opposition, they would lose a great leader, what happened? >> honestly, it's strange for us to watch this evolve. because i've never seen anything like that in my life. even though i spent two years in jail, when i've heard about alexei navalny starting a hunger strike, i was scared because it's the last tool when your prisoner. it means --
as an experienced prisoner, and unfortunately, navalny is one, he knew that is the one tool he has right now to save his health and to potentially change the political situation in russia. and he's extremely courageous person, and he knew that with our help he could create a beautiful russian future. he always remains positive, even now, he and his family, they are spreading positivity and how on earth to spread positivity when you are dying? when your husband is dying? but they are believing that we can have this beautiful russian future, and it is definitely contagious. i feel it and millions of other russians feel it as well. >> michael mcfaul, we're watching a drama of stunning bravery by alexei navalny. like nothing we've ever seen. he's willing to die and die
publicly for this cause of freedom in russia. just stunning cowardice by vladimir putin who dares not mention his name, pretense he knows nothing about it, and apparently is willing to sit there in his cowardly corner as this continues, possibly, to alexei navalny's death. >> you're right, lawrence. i agree. and i want to be clear, i hope mr. navalny does not die. i hope he listens to the doctors that put out a letter today saying please stop this, save your life. that is more important, i think, then dying and becoming a martyr. he is a very charismatic leader, and i think russia needs that. and with respect to mr. putin, you're absolutely right, this is not a move of strength, lawrence, right? if you're strong, and your popular as all the alleged opinion polls say, why do you
arrest this marginal figure and allow him to die like this in custody? and this is a sign of weakness, not of strength. >> nadya i've discussed this with you on this program, i've discussed it with you privately, your bravery, alexei navalny's bravery, it's just stunning to watch. it's not something that i can comprehend, it's not something that i can imagine feeling myself, and acting on. where does it come from? what's in the russian character or in russian life takes you to this point? >> i bet you would do the scene in our place, we just want to be on the right side of history and were driven by ethics and at the bottom of our hearts, we all want to be good human beings. we want to see better russia, we want to see amazing talented
people who are not able to fulfill their full potential, a lot of them are leaving, and there's a whole generation of young russians, there's a generation of my kid and a little bit older who were growing up seeing just putin and most of them, they don't like him, because they see -- they don't have a lot of chances in their lives because of just one person who holds the power in many years. >> nadia telegenic ova, an honor to have you back on the program once again tonight. we always appreciate your guidance, perspective, experience on the. subjecting you both very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> and coming up, the only people who can change policing in america are police officers. we need more good cops. and one historically black
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to step up and prove that their loyalty is to the people they are sworn to serve. joining us now to people who want good cops to dominate police to work in this country, lincoln university police chief, gary hill. he is the director of the lincoln university police academy and joseph foster who is a student in the first class at lincoln university's police academy. thank you both very much for joining us tonight. and chief hill, let me just start with you and why you decided in a historically black college and university needed a police academy. >> it came to me in the sense of, we have a large minority community on our campus and in order to increase our minority footprint and law enforcement, i thought this would be a great place to start recruiting people for the police academy for our local and local agents against agencies around the. state i just thought it would
be perfect because lincoln university's history, because of our criminal justice program that is already in place. it just only made sense. >> joseph foster, what drew you to the police academy? >> well, would you mean to the police academy first and foremost, the bible tells us that we need to be servants first. and i have always wanted to serve people, serve others in the community and just around me. to just be an impactful person that somebody can look up to and they can draw inspiration from. so, joining the police academy is the first step to do that. and getting into a career in the future in law enforcement. >> and, chief hill, you are using now, some of these cases like the george floyd case and others as teaching elements in your police academy. how do you use the murder of george floyd in your training? >> so, what we usually do is we will talk about current events.
we will use those videos, from the body cam, or whether before myself phone, and that is what the recruits will write the reports on. they will write the reports for the report writing exercises based on what they have seen on those videos. so, we use those as teachable moments so after the read the report, and then we discuss what happened. and then we discuss how it affects when we are actually teaching them in the training program. so, we tried to make sure that they understand that this is how we teach, this is what happened, how is that applicable towards what we're teaching here at the academy. >> joseph foster, we are going to see in the summer, august 23rd, another trial of the three other officers who were there when george floyd was murdered. they are on trial basically for not stopping would derek chauvin was doing. for not intervening and getting at that knee of george floyd's neck. when you look at video, do you think about, what would i have
known if i were there? >> yes. because you know, i put accountability on all our parts. they are just as guilty as the person they allowed to do that because, you know, in order to prevent something like that, somebody has to be able to be the one to say that hey, that is not right. hey, i need to step up and do the right thing. that's where i feel like accountability comes in, not just for yourself but is the people that you surround yourself with and you have given the oath of duty to see where to protect. and the accountability should have shown them -- it should've given them the intuition to say, hey, this isn't right. we need to do the right thing and not, you know, put the violation of putting the knee on his. neck >> chief hill, we are constantly seeing failures of police training in these videos that we see put in body cam videos. the department has a good rule on deadly force.
it has good training on deadly force. but when the moment comes out there in the streets and the training doesn't work. including that case we have seen recently where this officer apparently fought -- thought she was reaching for her taser when she was reaching for her pistol. >> yes. again, you're right, lawrence, we've seen that time and time again. an issue that we have to address is an officer's mindset at the time of the incident. we would hope that in an instant like that, we would route zero to our lowest level of training, and we hope that those levels of training is our basic training that we receive from the economy in our inserts. but it is an individual situation, where was that officer's mind? and at that point in time, when it was all going on, that's what we have to address. >> chief gary hill, and joseph foster, thank you both very much for joining us tonight, and joseph foster stay safe when you get out there are behind the badge. we really appreciate you
joining us. >> thank you sir. >> that is tonight's last word, at the 11th hour with brian williams starts now. >> good evening once again, day 93 of the biden administration. today saw increasing demands for an overhaul of policing in our country. the emotional issue brought into clear focus on this day during a funeral for a young man killed by police. less than two days after the palpable relief felt over the guilty verdict in the chauvin trial, the minneapolis area in mourning again as the family of daunte wright held his memorial service. the 20-year-old father of a two year old shot and killed by a police officer during a traffic stop 11 days ago now. the officer who killed him claims that she wanted to use her taser instead of her glock sidearm. she is now facing charges of second degree ma