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♪♪ good afternoon, everybody, i'm yasmin vossoughian. we're going to begin this hour with breaking news out of elizabeth city, north carolina, following wednesday's deadly police shooting of andrew brown jr. any moment, we are expecting to hear from members of brown's family along with their attorney and other advocates as well. you're looking at live pictures there as we await the beginning of this news conference. a short time ago, elizabeth city mayor betty parker, you see her there, taking to the podium to address growing calls for police transparency and the release of deputy body cam footage of the fatal incident. >> a second emergency meeting
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was held at 3:30 yesterday to discuss a formal request for the sheriff's department to release the body cam worn by the county officers at the scene of the shooting. and if denied, the request is to be forwarded to the district attorney's office as well as to superior court. any entity, in fact, that represents the custodial law enforcement agency. i see now that no city, small or large, is exempt. so, we are ready to do whatever we need to do to supplement what we're already doing to make sure nothing like this happens again. >> all right, so, mayor parker also stressed that the county sheriff's office in charge of serving brown's warrant is actually separate from the city's police force and although her counsel has requested a body cam footage, she has yet to see it.
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seven sheriff's deputies have been placed on administrative leave as the shooting is investigated. three other deputies have resigned. but the sheriff's office says it was not related to the incident. here with me now, as we await this live event to get going, nbc news correspondent cathy park, marq claxton, retired nypd detective and a former federal prosecutor and nbc legal analyst. i want to start with you on this one, basically jumping off what the mayor had to say, talking about the release of this vital body cam footage. talk us through the latest efforts to get that released and the likelihood they're going to see it. >> well, yasmin, the way it was explained to us, city officials will be putting in a formal request on monday to the sheriff's department for the release of that body camera footage, and if that request is denied, it would move over to the d.a.'s office and the superior court and the mayor hinted it is a possibility that it could be denied by the
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sheriff's department. meanwhile, the sheriff did come out saying that it's the d.a.'s office right now that doesn't want to release the footage because it is under review, but the sheriff added that it will be just a couple of days before the family of mr. brown will be able to see that footage, and yasmin, keep in mind, in north carolina, there is a law in place where essentially a judge needs to sign off before the release of any sort of body camera footage. yasmin? >> so, glenn, talk us through this as you were just listening to kathy there. stand by, guys, i do want to take a listen into the press conference as it has begun. hold on for a moment. >> accountability can be had, and whether that -- what does justice mean? justice means arrest, prosecution, and a sentencing. because if it's any one of us had been accused of a criminal act, we wouldn't get the opportunity to sit and wait for an investigation to take place.
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they know what happened. everybody -- eye-witness accounts have told you that mr. brown was shot, unarmed, in the back by multiple officers. that, we know. there was a weapon located at the scene. thus, he was unarmed. thus, he was unarmed. unjustifiable shooting. unjustifiable shooting, unjustifiable homicide. we're calling now is for the video, the body camera. >> all right, so, we're hearing there from the attorney of the brown family, talking about, as he put it, unjustifiable homicide. i want to bring my panel back into the conversation. as you know, we're going to be jumping back and forth here as we await the family to begin speaking in response to the killing of andrew brown jr. and glen, as i was mentioning, talking about the release of this body cam footage, we full well know it is about the footage, right? it is about the video that we saw with george floyd that led
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everyone to believe exactly what took place on may 25th. of last year. and we saw the judgment of that this past week. the body cam footage here, as we know, is integral. what do you think of the timeline that kathy park laid out for us, the likelihood that the sheriff's department doesn't want to release this because it might interfere with the investigation. >> first of all, you would have liked to have seen every police department around the country learn from the lessons of even the last week, right, where we had a shooting in minneapolis, where the sergeant allegedly confused her gun and her taser. what did the minneapolis police department do? they instantly released the body-worn camera footage and they happened to make an arrest in that case pretty quickly. we had a similar incident in chicago where a 13-year-old boy was shot, and that police department instantly released the body camera footage. it feels like this police department, this sheriff's
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office, perhaps hasn't learned from the lessons of the very recent history unless there really is a law prohibiting it, and if that's the case, under the local north carolina law, then they should instantly apply to a judge to get authorization to release it, because let me tell you, yasmin, as a former career prosecutor, i was not wild about having video footage of a crime i was investigating or prosecuting released, why? because it could negatively impact the investigation. it could taint the testimony of witnesses if they see something on tape and they mold their testimony to conform with the tape, but more importantly, there is always a public safety exception, and public safety is always served when, in my opinion, police departments instantly or as quickly as possible release body worn camera footage because either it's an excessive force incident and the public has a right to know, and they have a right to see those officers held
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accountable, or it is not an excessive force incident and the public should know that too because it will perhaps tamp down anger and, you know, the public sentiment that is, you know, perhaps fueling discontent and it will give them more confidence in the police department. so, public safety should always control, but i can see no good public safety reason not to disclose these body worn camera tapes. >> and maq claxton, as we are watching reverend barber in blit city, north carolina, what do you expect the differences here in their choice to withhold the body cam footage, also, the shooting on wednesday, for instance, of the 16-year-old girl in ohio who was stabbing another girl in the street. that body cam footage was immediately released. why do you suspect it would be held now? >> well, i concur with
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everything that glenn just said, as a matter of fact. and there is no really legitimate reason or a lawful reason to withhold the body cam, and what they're doing at this point, obviously, is trying to really shape their story, their story of their attempts to -- how they justify what occurred or at least shape and mold the story about why what occurred does not appear to be justified at this point. let's be clear about something. a lot of times, police entities will stall and delay under the guise of, we are conducting an investigation. the police entities are not splitting atoms or not working on chemical variations to covid-19. they are examining the videos and the documentation of the incident and preparing a statement related to it. they are questioning, interviewing witnesses, they're
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re-examining a lot of the forensics that they may have collected already. they've collected those items already. this is not an open crime scene where the -- it's more fluid and things are still in flux. it's established what has occurred. there is evidence, information that should be released to the public. the public has a right to know. and they have a responsibility to provide that information so as to allay the fears and concerns of the public. this is not a good way to instill confidence in a process that is not -- that is barely at the beginning. >> all right, i want to ask my panel to stand by because we got a lot more to cover here, and we are, again, awaiting the family to speak, the family of andrew brown jr. at any moment in north carolina. but with that, we have a lot going on across the country as well. i want to go to columbus, ohio, where we have more protests under way following the fatal police shooting of 16-year-old ma'khia bryant. i just mentioned her. her death this week came just minutes before a minneapolis
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jury convicted derek chauvin in the murder of george floyd. nbc's chris pollone is outside the ohio state house in columbus where protests are under way. police quickly releasing body cam footage, as i mentioned, those protesting, though, are saying it shows a blatant need for police tactics to reform. what else have you been hearing on the ground so far? >> reporter: yeah, yasmin, that's right. and this protest just moved on after about two hours here in a steady rain in columbus, ohio. you know, a group of 30 to 50 protesters out for the fifth day in a row since this incident happened. as you mentioned, this, you know, took place tuesday afternoon right before the chauvin verdict was announced. there was a call -- a couple of calls to 911 in columbus. somebody saying that they were being attacked and that somebody had a knife. police officer arrived on the scene, nicholas riordan, got out of his car and he saw the 16-year-old girl that was killed
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in this incident, ma'khia bryant, apparently in the police's description of this video that's being released, trying to stab a couple of people. he immediately pulled out his service weapon and shot her four times, killing her, as you mentioned, the police released the surveillance -- the body cam video very quickly that night, and then in successive days in order to get ahead of this story, trying to show what the officer saw when he arrived on the scene. now, you ask what we're hearing here on the ground, though. people are upset, obviously. this is a 16-year-old girl that was killed in this incident. they're questioning whether there were other tactics that could have been taken, any other actions the officer could have done so that everybody could have survived this incident and that ma'khia bryant would still be with us today. i was asking one of the organizers what she sees as success as they move forward with this.
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>> i feel like success for us out here is to not hear any more stories about people being murdered by police officers, honestly. there's nothing else to it. that's as simple as it is. nobody should have to lose their life over anything that can be solved in another way, you know? they could have took them girls into custody and took them all to talk about the situation. they didn't have to kill any of them. >> reporter: and that's the whole point. she touched on it at the beginning there. it's not just ma'khia bryant. this is a long-running issue in the city of columbus. the clinton administration sued the city police department more than 20 years ago for civil rights violations and people who are out here protesting are saying, this is a systemic problem between the police department and black people in the city of columbus, yasmin. >> all right, chris pollone in columbus, ohio for us. there's a lot happening across this country right now, but we're covering it all for you as we continue to watch this press conference happen, watching reverend william barber there
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speaking and awaiting the family to be speaking, awaiting the family of andrew brown jr. to be speaking at any moment now from north carolina. i also have my panel standing by to discuss the details of this case, but up next, we're taking a page from new york city on reforming police, or are we, across the country. we're going to talk to a public advocate about the legislation that he pushed to get passed in new york and how it can be a guide for creating real change in law enforcement nationwide. we'll be right back. ge in law enforcement nationwide. we'll be right finding new routes to reach your customers and new ways for them to reach you is what business is all about it's what the united states postal service has always been about so as your business changes, we're changing with it with e-commerce that runs at the speed of now next day and two-day shipping nationwide same day shipping across town returns right from the doorstep and deliveries seven days a week it's a whole new world out there let's not keep it waiting so with your home & auto bundle,
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welcome back, everybody. there's a couple things we're watching develop right now this hour, specifically. that is the press conference out of elizabeth city, north carolina, about andrew brown jr., the shooting of andrew brown jr. we're awaiting the family to speak currently. we are taking a listen to reverend barber. let's listen in. >> or because a warrant is served.
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this is why the family are saying they must see the tapes so they know the truth. they can handle the truth. but they can't handle silence. and they can't handle injustice. so, again, we're here to demand what justice demands. >> that's right. >> there must be full accountability. >> fully. >> under the law. >> that's right. >> and one last thing. whatever those deputies saw and heard, i'm a pastor so i can say this, counselor, whatever those deputies saw and heard, they've already confessed it. they told somebody. their wives, their girlfriends, their mamas. all of those men and women will have the local news on today while they're cooking and eating their dinner, and they need to be reminded god already knows the truth. >> already knows. >> yes, sir. >> and they already know the truth. and the counselor has said to you -- >> we're taking a listen to reverend barber there, speaking about the shooting of andrew
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brown jr. in elizabeth city, north carolina. behind him is the family's attorney as well, who spoke a bit earlier. we are supposed to be hearing from the family as we are awaiting that. i want to bring my panel back into the conversation to talk through some of the things that have been mentioned just in the last couple of minutes or so. marq claxton and glenn kirschner with me. i want to talk about the circumstances that we know of, the circumstances that we know of. the family's attorney calling this an unjustifiable homicide as he mentioned in that press conference. the circumstances that we know. he was being served a warrant, andrew brown jr. he had a history of fleeing from law enforcement. but the family's lawyer, as he mentioned, and other witnesses have said that he was unarmed, and he was, in fact, fleeing the scene, and he was, in fact, shot in the back. what is the policy in responding to a situation like this?
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>> well, let me just start off, yasmin, by saying that i have great difficulty in placing any validity on that which has been released by the sheriff's department or leaked out by the sheriff's department. and that's -- and that's also a problem with the lack of transparency itself, because i'm afraid or i'm concerned that they may be leaking or releasing information to judge public reaction to certain things, and i don't want to get caught up in that game. what i do want to say is that criteria quite clearly, there needs to be a confirmation that the warrant was served on the residence or the person of mr. brown and we need to know clearly who -- what entities within the department were executing this warrant. we want to know what information came, how did they get the warrant, what information did they provide to a judge to gain that warrant?
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so, his -- his history, alleged history, is much less relevant than what we're dealing with here in as far as the execution of the warrant, the targeted purpose of the warrant, and all the factors around the service of the warrant itself. those are really the key points there. i just don't want to get caught up in them swimming something out into the public to gauge public reaction before they formally have fully disclosed. >> yeah, okay. glenn, why do you think it's important that the mayor stress that the county sheriff's office in charge of serving brown's warrant was separate from the city's police force? >> well, it sounds to me like they're trying to put some distance between them and the sheriff's office, and that, to me, suggests that perhaps they know that this might have been an excessive force incident, and i am so with marq when he says, let's not jumping to demonizing
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the gentleman who was just killed by saying he had a criminal history and he maybe fled before because none of that will impact whether this use of force was excessive or lawful. but you know what will impact that in public perception? if they release the body-worn camera footage, and you know, if there is a local law saying you need a court order, then if i were the sheriff, i would have instantly gone to the district attorney and said, sir or ma'am, will you please file a motion seeking authority to release the body worn camera footage, because rather than us, you know, trying to assume this happened or that happened, what we have heard, and we need the reliable reporting, is unarmed man shot in the back. both of those things are enormously problematic. now, we have to know about all the facts and circumstances but i'll tell you, for openers, those two things are not a good look for the sheriff's
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department. >> all right, guys, stick around for me because we have a lot more to talk about but i have to move on for now. i want to speak of civil rights activists that were delivered a resounding victory on tuesday. but for many, this victory was short-lived since chauvin's conviction, protests have erupted nationwide over the killings of adam toledo, ma'khia bryant, daunte wright and andrew brown all at the hands of police and on capitol hill. at the george floyd justice in policing act is meeting resistance from senate republicans concerned by its overhaul of qualified immunity for officers, a provision that the gop's chief police reform negotiator, senator tim scott, has called a poison pill. joining me now to discuss this is new york city public advocate, jumaane williams. great to see you. thanks so much for joining us on this. just to be completely transparent here, you and i actually spoke earlier this week as i was out covering the
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decision on the chauvin verdict wednesday in the streets of new york city. i came across you and i wanted to kind of get your opinion on the reaction to what was happening and what needed to happen next. you told me at that time it was as if you had not been able to breathe for a year. but there is so much more that needs to be done, jumaane. what is that? >> that's correct, and thank you for having me. i did want to notice, just in your last reporting, we never actually get to hear about the history of the officer who's done the shooting. we always get the history of the victim. we don't have any idea if this officer has any other accusations of excessive force. but to that point, it's always important to make sure that we're clear. at the point we're in now, we have to have reforms for transparency and accountability, but that alone will not change where we need to go. and where we need to go is really have an honest conversation about what public safety is and what law enforcement's role is in it and what race plays, because what we see very often are five, six,
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seven seconds in which an officer decides whether someone's life is valid, and we've seen in the past weeks, i've seen people spit on officers. i've seen people try to flee. i've seen people reach for their gun and threaten to shoot officers. i've seen people who have killed people already with a gun in hand. i've seen someone with a butcher knife try to attack an officer. they all came out of it alive, but they were white. so when you put a race overlay with the same set of circumstances, what you see is death, and those are the questions that we really have to be honest with each other and talk about. but the reforms, i think, have to move forward, the ones that are before the federal government are important. and we see and understand now that transparency and accountability has not been there when it comes to policing, so it is important, but i don't want to lose sight of what we really need to be honest and discussing. >> i want to talk about qualified immunity, specifically, because that is what some of the concern is from
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folks that are opposing police reform, right? qualified immunity. and for folks that don't necessarily know what that means, that essentially means victims can sue police officers in civil court. why is that an important step for accountability when it comes to policing, jumaane? >> it's very important, because there is no other profession that i'm aware of where people can make these life and death decisions and be immune from prosecution. and to access the accountability point, it's too high, so we have to lower that so people at least have an opportunity in court to say this person was abusive. this person killed my loved one. the fact that we have to fight for something like that really shows the depth of the problem. the fact that police unions have an outsized voice in this conversation shows you the depths of the problem. all we're trying to say is that these communities want the same level of resources when it comes
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to police in the same way that other communities have it. and given the same benefit of the doubt because the fact of the matter is, a person most likely to kill a police officer, sadly, is a white male, usually right-wing, but they're the people most likely to survive, and given that context, why would you want to continue to see black and brown people die in all manner of situations, including unarmed, and continue to say that police officers will have immunity? we understand human beings all across the board but there has to be accountability and consequences for actions. >> jumaane, you were one of the architects of the community safety act that passed here in new york city in 2014, transformed, some would say, policing in this city, a lot more folks, though, say that a lot more needs to be done. how can this help shape the reform that needs to happen on a federal level across the board? >> i'm very proud of the work we did with the councilman and the community safety act, the first ever inspector general over the
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police department, enforceability ban on bias-based policing that city council state senate putting forth some bills even today, speaking about making sure that officers can't be hired from the police department if they've left another jurisdiction under a cloud of suspicion. but what i want to signify that too many of these things have been done piecemeal in jurisdiction to jurisdiction. it's time for the federal government to come in and oversee this because it's not one department here or there. it seems to be policing in general. and i want to add, again, that we also have to have a federal, national discussion on public safety, what it means in various communities and what law enforcement's role is in it and what role race plays in that application. >> jumaane williams, i hope you come back. that's a really good conversation, and we need to continue to have it as you well know. thanks, jumaane. coming up, everybody, we're going to continue to watch that press conference happening right now in elizabeth city, north
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carolina. we are also following other news as well, the pause on the j&j vaccine, it may be lifted but vaccine hesitancy has only increased. what you need to know about the renewed rollout as cities ramp up vaccine access. and another celebrity is making a leap into politics, the latest reaction to caitlyn jenner's new campaign. we'll be right back. er's new ca. we'll be right back. ♪ (ac/dc: back in black) ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ back in black ♪ ♪ i hit the sack ♪ ♪ i've been too long... ♪ applebee's irresist-a-bowls are back. dig in for just $8.99. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood.
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introduce, tell them who you are. >> my name is glenda thomas, and i am andrew's youngest aunt. andrew was a good father to all of his children, and even the ones that were not his, he was good to them. he did anything and everything that they asked of him. and i know his children are going to miss him. we are all going to miss andrew. he did not deserve what was done to him. and we will get justice if it's just for the children or the family and this community. >> that's right. >> i expect that law in north carolina to be changed in his name. >> that's right. >> all right. >> that's right. that's right. >> so, we will be working on
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that as a family because my nephew did not deserve that. >> amen. >> justice. say his name. >> andrew brown. >> thank you. >> yes, ma'am. >> yes, ma'am. >> at this time, we will open up for some questions from the media. >> we were just taking a listen to andrew brown's family out of elizabeth city, north carolina, as they're responding to the shooting of andrew brown just a couple days ago. i want to bring my panel back quickly for reaction to what we just heard. marq claxton, i just want to -- okay. we don't seem to have marq claxton, so glenn kirschner, how many times do we have to see this, a family on television here reeling from the shooting of someone close to them, not
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having the answers, wanting at least the body cam footage to understand what happened and not even knowing the timeline to which they will get that. >> yeah, yasmin, you know, the fact that the sheriff's department refuses to show the body worn camera footage to the family, frankly, is kind of ominous, in my estimation, because if it showed that this was an appropriate use of force, why wouldn't they show that to the family? i mean, frankly, the family deserves to see how their loved one was taken from them one way or another, but the fact that the sheriff's department is not willing to share it with the families is a bad sign, frankly, and then taking a step back, we hear, if only we had body worn camera footage, if only we had stricter use of force policies, if only we had good police department leadership, then maybe some of these problems wouldn't recur, but look at the
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derek chauvin and george floyd case. you had really strong police department leadership in chief arrandondo, you had a use of force policy that was violated by derek chauvin, so it seems to me that those sort of reforms are simply not enough. there has to be more fundamental reform about vetting police officers. the people who want the power and the authority that comes with a badge on their chest and a gun on their hip, if they're going to seek that power, they need to exercise it responsibly, so i think there need to be even more fundamental police reform in this nation. >> marq claxton, as i was covering the verdict in the derek chauvin case, i looked out into a sea of officers in brooklyn, and i saw a lot of black officers guarding the streets. and i thought to myself, how much are black officers influencing police reform in this country right now? are black officers as fed up as so much of this nation is in the killing of black men and women
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at the hands of police brutality? >> yes. the short answer is yes, they are. but as has been well noted, a lot of the leadership in different police agencies, entities throughout the nation are majority or solely white and are working off an old playbook and are still wrapped up and tied up in toxic police culture. that prevents any significant sociopolitical movement within their organizations, so too often, what happens is the black and latino police officers, the minority police officers, find themselves being frustrated from within and taking minor steps inside of their own particular agencies to make subtle changes, but that's not what's necessary. that's not what's going to heal us at this point. there needs to be, as glenn was talking about, a more
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comprehensive holistic approach to policing and quite frankly, there needs to be a re-examination of whether policing works anymore and whether we should be moving more towards a public safety model. so, i think it's huge and there also needs to be some clear federal standards, national standards that police agencies, large and small, have to adhere to. or else they lose additional funding or other opportunities that come forward. police only respond whether you penalize them or you incentivize them. that's the only way they respond. >> glenn kirschner, marq claxton, thank you for sticking around for the last 30 minutes. very much appreciate a good conversation. i do want to turn, though, to some other big news today. the u.s. is going to resume use of the johnson & johnson coronavirus vaccine following weeks of uncertainty over its safety but the cdc's recent insistence that its benefits far outweigh its risks have done little to quell the intensifying vaccine hesitancy with one in
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every five american adults still unwilling to get a covid vaccine. joining me now are nbc's cori coffin in new york and msnbc contributor dr. irwin redlener. i want to start with you on this one. new york introducing walk-in appointments on a limited basis to expand accessibility and accelerate the rollout of vaccines. how is the resumption of the j&j vaccine, how is that complicating this effort? >> reporter: yasmin, they tell me they hope it's in conjunction with and it will only complement the effort. one of the walk-in sites is right behind us here and they only carry moderna. that's a lot of the city sites, they carry moderna, and the johnson & johnson program is something different. they have pop-up sites for that, in-home vaccinations and mobile bussing for the johnson & johnson sites. now, they do hope to get that started as quickly as possible since they were one of the first major metropolitan cities to announce they will resume their johnson & johnson vaccine
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program, but they're also going to use up their stores of pfizer and moderna through certain locations first before reintroducing that vaccine. as we know, the johnson & johnson news comes after that panel vote, that advisory panel that voted 10-4 to bring it back with a warning on the label about this rare risk for blood clotting. we're also learning about the new numbers of about 8 million doses before the pause. we're finding out about 15 cases, which is about 1.9 persons per million doses given out, mostly affecting women 18 to 49, and so they are advising that if you do decide to get the johnson & johnson vaccine, of course, talk to your doctor ahead of time. but i also -- i want to note on that vaccine hesitancy that you spoke about. the most recent axios/ipsos poll shows it is still 20%, still very high despite the science so i spoke with the city site leader out here about the hesitation and what he thinks needs to messaging he thinks ne out there. listen to what he told me.
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>> i would say, you know, that we trust the science, and we know that millions of people right now have already gotten vaccinated across the city, and across the country, and i think that's what i would encourage folks. you know, that a lot of people are getting vaccinated and it's a step in helping us contribute and serve our communities and to helping us to make our way out of this pandemic, so we can get back to doing the things that we love. >> reporter: all right, yasmin, so, 30% of new yorkers are now vaccinated, and johnson & johnson says they have 9 million vaccines ready to go across the country right now. >> all right, dr. redlener, let's talk about some of the apprehension here and also some clarity on the final decision behind the fda and the cdc. so, essentially, okay, johnson & johnson is back, potentially today, people are getting shots at this point of the j&j vaccine but with this disclaimer, i should say, right, this warning that if you're under a certain
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age and you are female, you could feasibly develop this life-threatening blood clot. how worried should folks be? >> well, yasmin, actually, not that worried. there's a very minuscule chance. but the main point of the pause was to let people and doctors know that if somebody gets a clot, it needs to be reported or symptoms of a clot, and especially for doctors who know that although most clots might be treated safely with heparin, which is a blood thinner, this clot should not be. on the other hand, we also knew, and i was really fearful about this, just announcing a pause on any vaccine is likely to have a -- the effect of exacerbating people's general fears which are not warranted about getting vaccinated for covid in general. so, i think we're going to see a little bit more, you know,
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people's opinions who are negative, who are hesitant, who are resistant to getting vaccines, and i think we're going to have to get through that. the main way to do that is what we're doing right now, reassure people the vaccine is safe. the j&j is. i'd take it myself if that was what was available to me and i think we need to be attentive to the rare, rare possibility of a complication, but in fact, we're talking about a pretty safe and pretty effective vaccine, yasmin. >> so let me be clear. if you have the warning signs of this blood clot from a j&j vaccine, if you were to treat it early, you -- you could be fine, even developing this complication? >> right. and the vast majority of those who did have this very rare complication did just fine. unfortunately there was one person who didn't survive out of the 15, you know, the 8 million people, approximately, who were vaccinated, so i just think, you know, it's really important that
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people understand the vaccine's safe, critical, and people should take it if they can get it. >> just quickly, dr. redlener, though, do you think folks should have a choice, at least, between j&j and other vaccines considering this new determination? >> so, yasmin, theoretically, people should have a choice, but in reality, the vaccine centers that are doing the vaccinations have what they have, and there's really not much choice that the patient can actually exercise here, but yeah, there's really not a choice, and i just think take what you can get as soon as you can get it. >> cori coffin, dr. irwin redlener, thank you both. up next, a capitol hill riot suspect who chose the wrong dating site. we'll be right back. o chose the dating site. we'll be right back. tex-mex. tex-mex. ♪♪ termites. go back up! hang on! i am hanging on.
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the streets to see the casket. the 50-year-old grammy nominated rapper whose birth name is earl simmons, died after a heart attack. over to california where politics and fame mix. another celebrity is gearing up for a run for public office. caitlyn jenner announced she's running for governor, trying to replace gavin newsom. the former olympian and reality tv show says she wants to clean up the mess left by gavin newsom. give us the reaction so far to caitlyn jenner announcing she'll be running for governor. >> reporter: yeah, it's a little bit early yet, yasmin. she hasn't even yet had a campaign event but i think it is fair to say that this is not exactly taking california by storm. first of all, get this out of the way, the famous family members have yet to comment, daughters kylie and kendall, ex-wife kris or any of the kardashians. they're holding their silence for now. but more importantly, coalitions
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and groups that jenner would need to make this work are taking what one group says is hard pass. this is from equality california, the largest lgbtq advocacy group in the state, tweeting yesterday, make no mistake, we can't wait to elect a trans governor in california, but caitlyn jenner spent years telling the lgbtq plus community to trust donald trump, and we saw how that turned out. nonetheless, jenner is positioning herself as what she calls a compassionate disrupter. she wants to try and upset the normal political calculus here by being a socially liberal fiscal conservative, and the announcement yesterday, this will be a campaign of solutions to finally clean up the damage newsom has done to the state. small businesses have been devastated because of the overrestrictive lockdown, taxes are too high and the like. but so far, at least, that does not seem to be resonating here
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in california where the economy is scheduled to open fully on june 15th. >> scott, what are her biggest challenges running as a republican in a democrat-leaning state? >> reporter: well, that's basically it. it's not just leaning democrat anymore. it is pretty much there. it is a deep blue state, and experts look at the signatures that have been gathered thus far for this recall drive. they've come from the republican pockets of the state like fresno, san diego, orange county, and they say that means that for jenner, the math is just not on her side. >> you have to get voters from far more places than just where they got those signatures, and at this point, i don't see caitlyn jenner being able to garner those votes in los angeles and san francisco and oakland and those highly populated areas. it's true that we don't tend to turn out anywhere near our numbers in los angeles, but i just don't think in those
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areas -- in those voter rich areas, i don't see those areas swinging for a republican. >> reporter: we should find out in the coming days whether the recall drive has gotten the signatures to get on the ballot. that would likely happen in the fall. governor newsom would face a huge, crowded field of candidates, caitlyn jenner now among them. yasmin? >> scott cohn for us, thank you. coming up in our next hour, everybody, the latest on the deadly police shooting of andrew brown jr. and the calls for transparency in the case. plus we're going to cover the work being done on police reform with democratic congresswoman robin kelly of illinois and we'll be right back. bin kelly of illinois and we'll be right back ♪ (ac/dc: back in black) ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ back in black ♪
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♪♪ welcome back, everybody, i'm yasmin vossoughian. an emotional demand for action today from the family of andrew brown jr., release the body cam footage. and release more details into the police shooting in north carolina. >> we will get justice if it's just for the children or the family and this community. i expect that law in north carolina to be changed in his name. >> it comes as protesters gather in two other states that have become flash points in the battle for police reform. also this hour, playing politics with people's lives, a republican


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