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that is all the time i have for today. i'm alicia menendez. before we go, a reminder to catch our special report tomorrow night, american voices, latinos and the covid fight with dr. anthony fauci and congressman raul ruiz. i hand it over now to my friend and colleague zerlina maxwell. it is so fun to be with you. i cannot wait to watch your show. >> thank you so much. it's good to be with you tonight. i'm zerlina maxwell. joshua johnson has the week off. in north carolina another black man is dead and several police officers are placed on leave. police body camera footage of a 42-year-old father of seven andrew brown, jr. fatally shot by police could be released at any moment. there are more questions than answers at the moment. the reverend dr. william barber is here to discuss. plus congresswoman maxine waters joins us. lawmakers are calling for police
reform to end these lethal shootings. we'll ask her what needs to be done. and spacex makes history again today, using a recycled rocket and capsule for the very first time to launch astronauts into orbit. welcome to "the week." ♪♪ the days are long but justice can sometimes feel too, too short. on tuesday a minneapolis jury found derek chauvin guilty on all charges in the killing of george floyd. over the next 24 hours at least six people were fatally shot by officers across the nation. that's our current policing reality. and it has black americans on this emotional roller coaster of trauma.
crowds gathered for a fifth day in columbus, ohio, where 16-year-old ma'khia bryant was killed. bryant was shot four times after police responded to an altercation involving a knife. >> i feel like success for us out here is to not hear any more stories about people being murdered by police officers honestly. there's nothing else to it. that's as simple as it is. nobody should have to lose their life over anything that can be solved in another way. they could have took them girls into custody and took them all somewhere to talk about the situation. they didn't have to kill any of them. >> in north carolina protesters are demanding the release of body cam footage from the fatal shooting of andrew brown, jr. this morning officials say they hope to release the video on monday. brown was killed wednesday morning after sheriff deputies went to serve a warrant in a residential neighborhood in elizabeth city. earlier the family of andrew brown held a press conference calling for justice.
>> we will get justice if it's just for the children or the family and this community. i expect that law in north carolina to be changed in his name. >> but in washington there is renewed optimism that congress can pass a police reform bill. republican senator tim scott plans to reintroduce his own bill as the george floyd justice and policing act remains stalled in the senate. negotiations between tim scott, senator cory booker and congresswoman karen bass are ongoing. the issue of qualified immunity for officers accused of excessive force is still the sticking point, and a resolution appears just weeks away. the immediate focus on capitol hill remains infrastructure. a group of republican senators outlined their counteroffer to biden's $2.3 trillion american jobs plan. they focused in on what they
call traditional infrastructure. transportation networks, water systems and broadband internet. this comes as president biden is getting ready for his first joint address to congress on wednesday as he marks his 100th day in office. ahead of his speech the white house is expected to unveil the second part of their build back better agenda called the american families plan. the administration is framing it as human infrastructure, devoting hundreds of billions of dollars to national child care, paid family leave and tuition-free community college among other domestic priorities. let's start there with the latest from nbc news political correspondent ali vitali. so ali, where do things stand with infrastructure negotiations? i know the problem solvers caucus met yesterday. is there any possibility this could turn into two separate infrastructure bills? it seems the republicans have a
very narrow focus than the democrats do on this issue. >> hey, zerlina, it's good to be on with you tonight. and you're right. there are those divides among republicans and democrats, even just the question of what constitutes infrastructure is central to the conversation right now. but you point to a group like the problem solvers caucus, a bipartisan group of lawmakers. they released their own plan towards the end of this week. it does focus on what they're calling, again, traditional infrastructure, things like roads, bridges, cyber security, broadband. notably, though, there's no dollar amount on that. and that is really where the breakdown starts to come. when you look at, for example, the proposal that you mentioned from that group of republicans, they said their proposal is just under $600 billion. it focuses on the traditional infrastructure, the roads, the bridges, the tunnel, but it's also a very far cry from where biden's plan is over $2 trillion
that focuses, yes, on the traditional infrastructure but also on nontraditional infrastructure, what you mention as human infrastructure. so clearly there's a dollar divide here and there's even just a divide on what the definition of infrastructure is at this point. >> i think the dollar divide, that we see most of the time with these bipartisan negotiations when there's a lot of spending on the line. but in terms of what infrastructure actually is, it seems to me the white house is unveiling their american families plan and trying to redefine what infrastructure actually encompasses, calling human infrastructure things like child care, paid family leave, home care for the elderly. what is that proposal going to look like in terms of the human infrastructure coming out of the white house? >> well, it's a lot of facets of the care economy.
you consider the moment that we're in right now, and this is something that president biden campaigned on throughout the 2020 election. it's the idea of building back better. yes, that meant prioritizing coronavirus, getting the vaccine out there, getting it under control so that you can stop having consistent spikes, but then it's also how do you build the country back after a once in a lifetime pandemic? they're focusing not just on this opportunity for infrastructure, which it happens every administration. the trump administration tried to find bipartisan support on infrastructure. biden is doing the same thing, but they're also now trying to push it one step further and likely to unveil this week a $1.5 trillion proposal that includes things like child care funding, paid family and medical leave, universal pre-k, education funding. things like the care economy that are central to the progressive policy platform broadly that was campaigned on in 2020. that's not to say that this first phase of infrastructure
doesn't have any elements of that. they focus, for example, on several billion dollars put towards elder care, but this is really where the bulk of the nontraditional infrastructure push is coming. and i would tell you that a lot of advocates throughout the democratic world have been talking about how important this moment is not just from a policy perspective to get a lot of things that have long been on the progressive laundry list but also consider the moment we're in right now coming out of a recession that hit women harder than any other group on the demographic spectrum. you then look at the issues that the biden administration is trying to prioritize, things like child care and paid family leave. those are things that directly impact, yes, men and women. but they're really things that fall predominantly at the feet of women. so it does seem to take the seat in this pandemic and learn some policy lessons during what happened in this moment of coronavirus. >> it's really interesting to see the white house utilize this crisis as a moment to
intentionally help women with policies like this care economy. it's fascinating to watch. nbc's ali vitale, thank you so much for your reporting. this week's chauvin verdict delivered accountability for derek chauvin, but on its own it can't address the systemic problem. my next guest is not new to this fight for justice. in her l.a. times op-ed she outlined her hope for a better future where police brutality towards black and brown people can be stopped. congresswoman maxine waters joins me now. hi, congresswoman, how are you today? thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. >> in your op-ed you noted and it should be clear to people not new to your career that you are not new to this fight against police brutality. you have represented the district that includes los angeles for many, many years. what did you mean this week --
how did you react this week to the conviction on all charges? how did you feel about that? do you feel like it was a little bit of accountability? >> well, thank you very much for having me on this evening. and i feel as many felt, that it was a relief to get this verdict. many people were celebrating. i was not celebrating. i'm always cautiously optimistic. and i'm very pleased that we got the guilty verdicts that we did. but also as you began the program today you talked about other lives that have been lost to police brutality. you mentioned that there may have been 15 i believe or so deaths from the time of george floyd. and i don't know if you meant from the time of the verdict that was sent or the time he was
killed, but too many young black people are dying. mostly black men, but black women also. and you also mentioned about the killing of a black man, i believe in north carolina, and then the killing of a black woman in columbus, ohio. and so it is very hard to celebrate a victory when you know that somehow it has no meaning for what is going on in this country where young black people in particular are being targeted, unarmed young black people. so i am concerned. i am more than cautiously optimistic about what can happen in the congress of the united states with the bill that we have before the senate, where they are not cooperating. and i do not want to see a compromise bill, a watered down bill where qualified immunity is not taken care of. i want to make sure that the
chokeholds that has been so popular among police departments is outlawed. i want to make sure no-knock laws are taken care of and eliminated. so we've got a lot to continue to work for. >> so one of the things i thought about this week as we all waited for this verdict is rodney king and, you know, your work in the congress goes back to the verdict in that trial. let's take a listen to a clip of you reacting to that verdict, which as we know was very different than this week. >> i am angry. i am outraged. i think there has been a miscarriage of justice. i suppose i was foolish enough to believe that given the very graphic depiction of the beating of rodney king captured on video, that there would be an
undeniable assignment of responsibility to those who had, in fact, beat him. >> in your view how has the fight against police brutality evolved since 1991 and the verdict in that trial? >> we have not been able to convince police departments, chiefs, police and others in that they must stop killing black people. and it just continues. it goes on and on and on. and mothers and fathers are crying, pleading, begging, upset, can't sleep because we're afraid to have our young people in particular out on the street. they will be stopped, and they're afraid of the police. and they sometimes will run. and when they run that gives the police the authority to shoot them down based on the policies of the police department and
kill them. and so i don't know what it is people expect us to do. people who say they want us to bequiet, that they do not want us to voice our opinion, to exercise our constitutional right in resisting and protesting. i don't know why they would expect that of mothers and fathers who are working every day to raise their children, instill values in their children, get them educated and get them to be a responsible part of this society. what is it people want us to do? >> this week you were in a little bit of hot water from republicans in the congress because you said that protesters should get confrontational. what did you mean by that? and do you feel like it's hypocritical for some of the republicans who supported the big lie that led to the violent insurrection to criticize you for supposedly inciting
violence? >> well, absolutely. i'll tell you what i meant by confrontational. i meant what martin luther king organized as the c project. the see project meant confrontational. it meant we've got to have sit ins, organize, we've got to ensure our voices are heard and got to make people uncomfortable that we're not going to stand for this racism and discrimination. that not only undermines our ability to have a quality of life, but to kill and to maim and to hurt us. and so when people talk about what confrontational means they're assigning their own definitions to it. they don't want it to be heard that we're resisting. they want to say that when we protest, that somehow that's more dangerous than when white
people protest. and so this is unreasonable. and we cannot stop. we cannot stop making our voices heard and confronting the fact that our children are dying every day. we cannot be quiet. they will not respect us. we have to stand up for them, and we should. and so i have to keep urging us to have a voice. i have to keep speaking out when we have yet another killing, another death of another black person. and so that's what i meant. and i know that those on the opposite side of the aisle who are trying to define for their constituencies what it is i'm talking about, these are people who are associated with qanon, with, you know, the gate keepers or whatever they call themselves and also the people who are with the proud boys and the kkk and all of these domestic terrorists who attacked us on january 6th
in the capitol and broke into the capitol, i mean, looking for us to kill us spoke out about wanting to kill nancy pelosi, hung a noose up talking about wanting to hang the vice president at that time because he had not done everything that trump wanted him to do. so, you know, they are the violent ones. they're the ones that are dangerous. they're the ones that, you know, should be reined in. and we cannot afford to stop talking about it and defining for everyone what we need to do in order to try and protect our children and our people in our communities. >> the group you're referencing is the oath keepers. that was one of the white supremacist groups that was involved in the insurrection are on january 6th and being investigated by the fbi currently. congresswoman maxine waters, thank you so much for being here tonight and please stay safe. >> thank you.
i didn't have a chance to speak to you about infrastructure, but housing is infrastructure. i'm fighting for housing. >> yes. >> okay. thank you. >> thank you so much for that. we'll have to get into that next time. please stay safe. next, states are beginning to administer the johnson & johnson coronavirus vaccine again. we'll tell you which ones. and we'll get into the department of justice's investigation into the minneapolis police department. investigation into the minneapolis police department. the bowls are back. applebee's irresist-a-bowls all just $8.99. not everybody wants the same thing. that's why i go with liberty mutual — they customize my car insurance so i only pay for what i need. 'cause i do things a little differently. hey, i'll take one, please! wait, this isn't a hot-dog stand? no, can't you see the sign? wet. teddy. bears.
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after an 11-day pause 24 states along with puerto rico are restarting to administer the johnson & johnson coronavirus vaccine. the fda and cdc gave the green light after a thorough review of several rare cases of women experiencing blood clots after receiving the vaccine. among the 15 total cases 3 patients died and 7 others are still in the hospital currently. despite those incidents cdc director rochelle walensky explained yesterday that the benefits of using the j&j vaccine outweighed the risks. >> we found that for every 1 million doses of this vaccine the j&j vaccine could prevent over 650 hospitalizations and 12 deaths among women age 18 to 49. and this vaccine could prevent over 4,700 hospitalizations and
nearly 600 deaths among women over 50. >> the single-shot covid vaccine is a crucial part of the vaccination effort. to date the u.s. has more than doubled president biden's initial goal of 100 million shots in his first 100 days. a quarter of the population has been fully vaccinated and over 40% have received at least one shot. but the vaccination rate is beginning to dip, down to an average of 2.8 million a day from a peak of 3.4 million earlier in the month. could be in danger of not getting to herd immunity if this trend continues? let's discuss with an infectious disease physician and msnbc medical contributor. okay, doctor, with the johnson & johnson vaccine once again cleared for use which is a good thing, as a doctor what would you say to a patient who comes in and says, oh, i have concerns about the j&j vaccine because of the pause?
what would you say to them to assuage their concerns? >> i would quote exactly the number dr. walensky did. first, asking what they've heard and talking about how rare the side effect was. in this case, the pause in some people has incited some distrust of the vaccine. but look at it this way, we picked up with our system a rare side effect that really occurs in about 15 in 8 million that were administered. and not only that, even with that rare incidence, the full measure of the investigation of the cdc and fda was done. and so the numbers are clear. if you take this vaccine it actually has very rare side effect, but it can save your life, reduce the chances of severe disease and hospitalization and reduce the amount of virus in your community, and that's what we would say. i think if we're at a point
where someone clearly does not want this vaccine we have other options. don't let this be the reason why you don't get vaccinated. know this is safe, but know there are vaccines and whichever you want are available in all of your communities. >> the truth is that the side effects of covid are a lot more severe than any of the side effects of the vaccines, right? >> that's right. and not only that but, zerlina, when they looked at it in the cdc's advisory committee even the kind of blood clots they're talking about in the brain they occur in greater frequency in women who get coronavirus itself. so by getting this vaccine and protecting yourself from infection itself you're reducing the chances of getting blood clots. so from that perspective the vaccine again reduces the chances of getting it and again adds to the community benefit of more people being immune so we can reduce the amount of transmission going on. >> so we're at a moment, it's
kind of a weird moment in this pandemic because we were so close to the light at the end of the tunnel. then suddenly they put a pause on the j&j, and it felt like that was a reset moment, and now our vaccination rates are declining. so what happens if we don't get to herd immunity? could we be in danger of not getting to herd immunity? >> we saw this coming. we were getting through people who really wanted to get vaccinated and there's about 17% of the population that's been now in the wait and see category. there's at least another 30% that say they want to get vaccinated as soon as the vaccine's available to them. so we knew that the next 2 million -- right, the next set of vaccines were going to be harder because we're hitting people who may be a bit more hesitant. the only way i can talk about this is, look, when this virus first came on the scene none of us had been exposed, so none of us had immune memory in how to take care of it.
as we're getting vaccinated our communities are seeing that fire breaks are being put into place because vaccinated do not get sick at the same rate, transmit the virus at the same rate, get hospitalized and pass away at the same rate. and hence you are stopping the virus. not just are you protecting yourself and your community but you're stopping the virus. and so stopping the virus from spreading in the community. so i think that the effort on the other side once we get more and more vaccinated what you're already seeing the death rates start going down. but eventually enough of us get vaccinated transmission will go down because people vaccinated are less likely to transmit it to other people as well. we may get to a point where, you know, it may not be herd immunity, which means the virus does not completely stop transmitting, but we get to a point we make this disease manageable enough that the amount of hospitalizations and deaths we're seeing are not at the same rate.
but our goal should be to get as many vaccinated particularly because there are new variants on the horizon and the more of us vaccinated we don't let this virus continue to transmit in our communities. >> so in terms of in the last minute here if we take some time to get to that level of herd immunity that all the doctors and experts are saying we need to get to is the future sort of hot spots around the nation or across the world where there's outbreaks in specific locations? >> yeah, you and i talked about this, zerlina, that is my concern. there are two things going to happen. there's going to be a gradient towards normalcy. as more of us get vaccinated you're going to start seeing some aspects of life go back to normal. you might see some areas achieve a point of level of community immunity. that's what herd immunity is community immunity that you can go back to normal. what you're seeing is a pattern
already evolving. you're seeing states not really seeing high rates of vaccinations, alabama, tennessee, mississippi. and the concern is that enough people in one community don't get vaccinated then they don't have community immunity, and hence they continue to see those transmissions and those outbreaks. and exactly as you've said in areas of the world where that community immunity cannot be, you know, accomplished with vaccinations you're going to continue to see the transmissions there. it's equally important not just to vaccinate as americans but get involved in the global fight so we can reduce the transmissions and evolutions of this virus everywhere else and that all of us are safe. >> community immunity, i feel that's easier to wrap your head around in terms of what that means and why that would be important. doctor, thank you so much for joining us tonight as always helping us understand this pandemic and how to survive literally. coming up, new calls in north carolina for the release
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calls for transparency are growing in elizabeth city, north carolina. andrew brown, jr. a 42-year-old black man was fatally shot by deputies while a search warrant was being served on wednesday. body camera footage of that shooting exists, but it has not been made public. north carolina law requires a court order for body camera footage to be released. in a press conference earlier today brown's family pleaded for release of the video and his son demanded accountability. >> with all these killings going on i never expected this to happen so close to home. and now i got to live every day with my newborn without even getting a chance to meet him at
all, and that's going to hurt me every day. i just want justice. >> joining us now is bishop william barber, cochair of the poor peoples campaign and spoke at today's press conference with brown's family. thank you so much for being here bishop william barber -- i just want to make sure that i am doing the appropriate honorific. there's new audio giving us an audio what went on moments after the shooting. so let's get a listen and get your reaction. >> we have shots fired. we have shots fired. it's 421 perry street. >> we've got one male 40 years of age gunshot wound to the back. >> shot in the back. this was supposed to be a routine execution of a search warrant, reverend. does the family have any idea
what happened and what led to their son's death? >> it was supposed to be routine and execution of a search warrant. we're trying to find out whether or not it was an execution. i was asked by the family and lawyers to be there. this is the second questionable police killing that i've dealt with during the chauvin trial and right afterwards. donovan lynch in virginia were shot with no body cameras on. now andrew brown was shot. authorities are not releasing the tapes. the sheriff and the d.a. could easily get that court order. this young man was a son, a nephew, a cousin, a father of seven. he was a human being, no history of violence, unarmed. and a warrant is not a license to kill even if the suspect drives away. a warrant does not mean a person is guilty. a warrant is not permission to shoot someone. this is not the mythological
wild west dead or alive. and it's not authorization to shoot someone in the back. and we already know from the audiotapes that the shot or shots by pistols or assault rifles happened in the back. but now we need the tapes. release the tapes. there must be transparency. if there was a legitimate truth, we need to see it. if it wasn't, we need to see it. the family can handle the truth. what they can't handle is the silence, and we can't keep having this where air fresheners lead to death, where selling cigarettes lead to death. allegedly passing a $20 bill leads to death. and now warrants -- if you have a warrant. because police people, persons, are the only people that have a badge and a gun and come to your door with a piece of paper and take your wife, your husband, your son or daughter out and you'll say i see you downtown. that is too much power for
someone that is trigger happy and too much power for a bigot. we have to see the tapes. >> it's such a critical point when you say that allegedly he was shot in the back according to evidence so far, but we've not seen the full body camera video. they did not release that yet. brown's family met with the sheriff's department yesterday and they didn't get to view the body cam video. today the sheriff's department released a video on facebook about the timeline for releasing that footage, which seems like a lot of steps to me. so let's take a listen to what he said and i want to get your reaction because this is a weird thing that is specific to north carolina. >> because we want transparency we want the body camera footage made public. some people have falsely claimed that my office has the power to do so. that is not true. only a judge can release the video. that's why i've asked the north
carolina state bureau of investigation to confirm for me that the releasing of the video will not undermine their investigation. once i get that confirmation our county will file a motion in court hopefully monday to have the footage released. >> so this is something unique to north carolina law. a judge has to approve it before the video is released. what's your reaction to that? why is that extra step an obstacle to full transparency after a police killing in north carolina? >> well, we've been against it on a lot of these laws that republicans have put on the books. we need to have body cameras just like the audio needs to be a part of the public record. but what the sheriff is saying is not actually true. he can go to the judge himself and have it released. the governor of the state who's a former attorney general two terms has already spoken today and said these tapes ought to be released. they could be released. and we're in america. remember what happened in
columbus, ohio, it was released almost immediately. release the tapes. the family at the very least and their attorneys have a right to see those tapes. they could see them right now, so we have -- that's the problem. this is why we must have federal laws so that when and if police murder people or shoot people, unarmed people, however, that the accountability makes sure that there is -- that there is arrest, that there is prosecution, that there's prison, that there's payment. and when necessary there's pattern and practice investigation federally. this is eastern north carolina. this is the south. we've had -- i could talk all day about problems we've had in the south. i can talk about -- i won't go into it. but this sheriff what he just did with that is actually not the truth. he could quickly get that answer last week. he and the d.a. could go to the judge, they could take the steps. the tape could already be out,
and at the very least the family and the family's counsel could have already seen these tapes. if it happened in columbus, ohio, it could happen in north carolina. that's a cover-up. that's a stall. we need to see the tapes. we need to see the tapes now. >> we'll have to leave it there. bishop william barber, thank you so much for being here, and we will pay close attention to see if that tape is released on monday. >> say his name, andrew brown. >> thank you so much, reverend. tomorrow we speak to chuck schumer and ask when we can expect the george floyd justice in policing act to come up for a vote. still to come, how can we reform policing to prevent more deaths at the hands of police like george floyd's? we'll dig into that a bit later on. plus the capitol hill riot investigation heats up with more arrests on the way. authorities are working their
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earlier spacex crew dragon capsule endeavor docked at the international space station. the four astronaut crew was the first to reuse a rocket booster from a previous spaceflight. reduce, reuse and recycle now even applies to space travel, which is really cool. but more efficient spaceflight isn't the only thing on the astronauts agenda. here's nbc tom costello. >> three, two, one. ignition and liftoff. >> reporter: it was 5:49 a.m. when spacex once again lit up the florida sky, a perfect flight tracked all the way up the east coast. but at 1:24 p.m. mission control warned the crew of dragon their ship would come uncomfortably
close to a piece of space junk, one of tens of thousands of pieces nasa constantly tracks. the crew ordered back into their space suits because of an unlikely chance of a collision. >> we need you to immediately proceed with suit donning. >> we're getting in the suits and we copy. >> reporter: a few minutes later the space junk possibly a piece of old satellite passed by 28 miles away. today's spacex mission the first to reuse both a rocket and a spaceship. pilot megan macarthur sitting in the same seat her husband sat in a year ago. >> i'm like a baby bird here, relearning how to move around in micro gravity. >> reporter: and nasa has now selected spacex to build a ship that will carry astronauts back to the surface of the moon, including the first woman. >> it's been now almost half a
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