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,, the. journalist is roman predecessors. he got a pat -- news channel and. belarus let's go to matt bradley. hey, matt. >> yeah joshua, there is a reason why belarus is so commonly referred to as the last dictatorship in europe. 's of it's because of stuff like this. and what we saw during the presidential election, and immediately after the election lofty -- last year.
horrible police brutality, mass arrests, protests in the streets and many called a rigged election. that's exactly why this young man in russia -- he was detained on the flight from greece to lithuania. the authorities have said they are going to be prosecuting a lawsuit against the russians for essentially stopping this plane in mid air. they actually scrambled a fighter jet, and told ryanair that they needed to ground this flight in belarus and maybe there was a bomb on it and they need security. using their military to get a commercial plane to arrest a political -- that's exactly what just happened. that's why so many european diplomats throughout this continent are so outraged. it's ounces of the european union is gonna be dealing with us tomorrow and deciding if there's gonna be any
incriminations for belarus. joshua? >> thank you. that's nbc's matt bradley with the. latest appointments he has been a big storyline this week. a fragile cease fire between israel and hamas is holding after nearly two weeks of fighting. more than 250 people were killed. the vast majority of that more palestinian. president biden's team has touted their low-key diplomatic style as crucial towards ending the violence. and there is a word that we notice was being said more and more. more enjoy equal measures of fear, prosperity, and democracy. my administration will continue our quiet relentless diplomacy towards that end. >> we believe palestinians and israelis deserve equal measures of freedom, security, and dignity and prosperity. >> engaging both sides in trying to start to make real improvements in the lives of people so that israelis and
palestinians can live with equal measures of security, of peace, and of dignity. >> did you catch it? equal. not something we always hear from the u.s. when talking about solutions in the region. what impact will that have on the prospects for long term peace? joining us now is professor, the chair of the gilbert foundation of israel studies at ucla. professor, welcome. >> thank you for having me on the program. >> what do you make of that? the use of the word equal in terms of the way that the u.s. government wants israelis and palestinians to end up living as opposed to a two state solution or what that might look like practically. that use of the word equal. what do you make of that? >> for one thing, it's clearly a dramatic shift in tone from trump administration and it's really only talked about the right of israel and hardly palestinian rights or palestinian leaders so it's a shift in that respect and i think it's something of a shift
in prior democratic administrations to focus on the equal needs of both sides but it think one thing that still missing in this language is equal rights. once u.s. officials start talking about palestinian rights, not just needs but writes, then i think that really will be a significant shift. but i think perhaps the mere mention of equality in any context when talking about the israeli palestinian conflict is the beginning of a shift in how u.s. policy makers view this conflict. >> how likely do you think we are to hear a conversation from the u.s. about palestinian rights? it seems like the beginning of a sentence, the palestinians deserve certain rights, has to end with, because the israelis aren't giving it to them. and i can get very very sticky. >> right, and i think we're already seeing certainly within the democratic party and last week in congress, rhetoric that's really unprecedented. the very public demand for
israel to respects palestinian rights, the focus on the moving evictions of palestinian families in the neighborhood of jerusalem. there's definitely shift in tone. and isn't just among a few progressive members, this is taking place among democrats in general. but i think it's a slow change, certainly for the biden administration, they're going to be reluctant to act upon this shift in rhetoric. i think as you say, it's going to require the biden administration to confront as, fail to confront netanyahu and to confront them on the kinds of policies that they've been practicing for many years, palestinians citizens of israel and those who occupy -- >> on top of that, there is this multi million dollar arms sale that the u.s. has pending to israel. more than $700 million of arms even as the u.s. government is
encouraging a cease-fire, calling for equal rights on both sides are equal outcomes on both sides. senator bernie sanders is among that progressive lawmakers that's pushing to stop the steal. here's part of what senator sanders had to say about this today. >> our job is not simply to put more and more military support for israel. it's to bring people together. we can't do it alone. we need the international community. but that is what i think we need to be doing. >> so professor, how does all of this work? we are calling for peace on the ground but the u.s. is still selling weapons to israel. that does not sound like a cease-fire. it just sounds like halftime. >> well in a way for the israeli and american perspective, arming is a way of extending quiet for as long as possible to try to deter hamas or other actors from striking it israel. but it's really a continuation of traditional u.s. policy. and this is a policy that
republican and democrat administrations have fallen for many years, giving israel arms and not just giving as for all arms but 3.8 billion dollars. with very little strings attacked and a little transparency about how that money is spent. there is a shift now, bernie sanders is probably at the front of that but more broadly among them is members of congress is willingness to ask the hard questions about u.s. aid for israel, about the kinds of things that the israelis spend on and whether at the very least there needs to be more transparency at the beginning about how u.s. aid is spent by israel and i think it does indicate that there is a much more willingness not to really scrutinize this. the question is, and i'm still somewhat skeptical whether there will be any real appetite in washington in this administration or in congress to actually impose any kind of penalties on israel. without any sort of penalty,
without any real cost all of this relic trick is going nice and it's certainly an dictates shift in tone but these really government is not really going to pay any real attention unless there are consequences attached. >> ucla professor david taxman, i appreciate your time. thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. >> with the cease-fire in place, the biden administration is focusing on its domestic agenda. moving another bill through congress has slowed dramatically, since passing the covid relief package in march. this weekend, the administration offered new counter proposals on the gop on infrastructure. the revision cuts the cost of the american jobs plan to 1.7 trillion dollars. some republican senators said that they were unimpressed. >> the numbers too big because the scope of what the white house staff wants to call infrastructure is way too big. >> we're talking about an enormous sum of money. remember that we spent 4.1
trillion dollars inflation adjusted dollars to war and that's the size of the presidents infrastructure in social services package. >> and this is just on infrastructure. when will time run out for bipartisan legislation on policing or gun control or voting rights or immigration or a commission to investigate the january 6th attack? we just learned this evening that the national's deployment to guard the capitol and's tonight. guardsmen will leave in the morning. let's discuss all of this with nbc political reporter exile could pour. what is your sense of the appetite for bipartisanship on capitol hill? is it still there are both sides still giving up on that? >> it depends on who you ask, joshua. among democrats, there are those who said as far back is a month or two ago that this is not worth it. that democrats should just ignore republicans and go it alone at least on the issues
they could. but democrats have a third majority of the senate and they have to listen to the voices in their caucuses that say give bipartisanship a chance and that's why there are a number of fish officials and the biden administration a democratic later ship who said may was going to be the month where they figured out whether bipartisanship was really possible on this series of issues on police reform like guns like you mention and they were able to get some really small modest things done on whether it's asian american hate crimes at a slight beating of a response to that. water infrastructure, but on the bigger things that doesn't really happen. and the pendulum is likely going to move towards the democrats who say go it alone. >> we're going to talk about police reform in our next segment but i wonder what the sense is in terms of throwing all this focus behind infrastructure. tuesday it was supposed to be the self imposed deadline for the president and congress and all of the powers that be the work out something on police reform. that ain't happening.
so is infrastructure kind of the administration's, i don't want to say, last best hope. but they say seem confident about throwing their focus at this? that this really can still get done? >> they do. infrastructure is in many ways a centerpiece of president biden's agenda and there are several reasons for that. unlike the republicans that you just played speaking about this, president biden doesn't think moderation is enough on infrastructure. he thinks that there needs to be a transformative multi trillion dollar agenda because he believes it's a kind of put up or shut up moment for the united states to prove that it is still the strongest country in the world because of infrastructure so directly related to quality of life. he wants to go big on that. another thing that president biden has talked a lot about in private and a little bit in public as well is he believes this government needs to be able to prove it can do big things to restore americans faith in democracy. not only here, but also abroad so that china doesn't start out competing the united states. so that russia doesn't look
over at america and say you want democracy? that's democracy. he believes that this is a big issue where he needs to prove that the country needs to prove itself. the other thing about this, joshua, is that infrastructure is one of those rare issues that president biden can go it alone. he does not need republican support them to get around current senate rules that include a filibuster. >> what about the rest of the presidents agenda in terms of things like police reform, gun control. we're not hearing much about that, but is there activity behind the scenes quietly behind closed doors on those pieces of his agenda? or is everything kind of waiting for infrastructure right now? >> there's a lot of activity on those issues. on the issue of police reform, especially. there are negotiations happening on guns and background checks. there have been negotiations happening for weeks now, probably more than a month now whether democrats lead by chris murphy the senator from connecticut can find 60 votes on a modest piece of background legislation but there's not a lot of evidence on progress,
joshua. and this is where you're going to see democrats start to get very antsy and wanting to do something on their own if they can't get republican support on economic issues when it comes to simply taxes and spending. they can go it alone using their majority, a process known as reconciliation that's not subject to the filibuster. but on immigration, on guns, on police reform, you can't do that. you either have to abolish the filibuster or get bipartisan support and they don't right now have the votes. >> and briefly, before i let you go. 25 republican senators said that they would oppose an independent commission to investigate the january 6th attacks. so what happens now? >> it's very likely headed to a filibuster in the senate. it does not have a path at this moment. unless something drastically changes in the coming days to ten republicans in the senate and this, joshua, would be the first official filibuster of the biden era. in other words, the first piece of legislation that with died because of the 60 vote threshold and you're gonna see
the conversation about that rev off very quickly after that happens. >> it's so weird to be looking at the left side of our screen and see the stock photos and go i know exactly where that six 95 to 95 exchanges in d.c.. i've been stuck in that exact same traffic and if members of congress could not decide to fix that, it tells me a lot about where we stand right now politically. thank you sawhill, and we see political reporter saw hope for. coming up, it has been nearly a year since george floyd was murdered. what progress has america made on police reform? plus, police raids inspired what became lgbtq pride marches but now new york's pride event plans to ban new york officers. what was the last straw and what happens now? first, richard louis here is here with the headlines. hey look. >> a shooting in ohio, leaving a 16 year old girl dead and injuring five other teenagers that happened late saturday night. the shooting broke out at the bicentennial park amphitheater in columbus. local police have not yet
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honor the memory of george floyd. this tuesday marks one year since he was murdered by a former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin. his death re-energized racial reckoning over law enforcement works. tuesday is also president biden's deadline on police reform. it looks like congress will miss that deadline, again. debates continue on key provisions like qualified immunity. instead, the president will mark the anniversary by meeting with the floyd family. today, george floyd's brother terrence called on to call the george floyd police act. >> what's taking so? long it's obvious. the time is now. the time is now. the more time you waste with this bill, the more people are still getting killed. >> joining us now is mark last in a retired and ypg officer. good to see you again, good evening. >> good evening, josh.
let's take a look at some of the things that are in this bill. ait would ban chokeholds, outlw police misconduct, overhaul qualified immunity. what is your sense of the kind of impact this would have on policing? or, is there may be one impact that you would be more looking for this bill to make among all the things it would do? >> the current construct of the bill itself would have some impact in improving quality of service that the community provides throughout the nation. most significantly, is that which is the most contentious issue there that is qualified immunity. nothing will happen unless you find a way to increase the liability, the vulnerability, of individual police officers on a personal level. that means they actually have to have personal skin in the game in order for there to be some kind of significant or
substance in their behavior. that objective is much of the proposed -- proposals around please perform. >> qualified immunity seems to be the biggest sticking point of all of this. law enforcement officers who oppose getting rid of it say, if i have to worry about being personally sued for every interaction with every suspect, every time i think about the taser, or every bullet i may, or may not fire, to save someone's life, i can operate as a law enforcement officer. i can't make those split decisions that i would need to make to save someone's life. what about that? >> i would say, i don't have an issue with people operating under those parameters, but i would tell them then they need to find another profession. there are certain responsibilities that go beyond your personal desires, or wishes, or you feel more comfortable operating in a particular way. the standards in the profession should be that there is a high
level of accountability. and what that does is, that puts additional pressure on that professional police officer to conduct and behave in a particular way that is in the best interest of the community that they have sworn to serve and protect. we can't get caught up in the slide that's been thrown out that you won't be able to find police officers if they actually have to be responsible for their actions. i think that's nonsense. >> minneapolis shifted funding away from policing to other services like mental health response team, and police officers using deadly force. it's things we're seeing around the country. shaquille brewster spoke to a retired minneapolis police officer. harris with the police officer had to say about police reform. >> put broadly speaking, as someone who's been calling for this before you retired, what do you think of the changes you seen in the past year? >> i don't think that will make the difference. the policy changes won't make the difference.
we've change policies for years, you know? >> what makes the difference. >> getting to know your community. >> mark, what about that? i think different officers, let's be real, have different levels of willingness to know that the people they police than others. particularly, some officers that don't live in the communities they police, who view the people around them as suspects rather than as clients, that feels like a tougher nut to crack in terms of police reform. >> yeah, any reform, any changes in policing, is tough. that is because you run up against this toxic police culture. which is a tallying about us against them. everyone outside policing is out to get us, or if it means we are no good, there is a mistrust. also, there is a certain air of arrogance, and understanding that regardless of some of the most egregious actions that you
may commit, there is a certain level of protection from responsibility. so i think the core things, the things that have most significant and impact, are those things which peel away that curtain of protection. thfrom a personal level, mind y, from police officers. you will have behavior modification if instead of always giving the carrot, you give the stick. police officers will adjust and adapt from the toxic culture of policing and it will shift. >> if more police officers quit because they don't feel they get the support they need from their communities? >> then they were meant to be police officers. you will have no more people who are qualified to commit as a professional police officer, regardless of what restrictions exist. i promise you that. >> mark last in, i appreciate you making time for us tonight. >> discontent with policing. it's also showing up in some pride celebrations, including
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gender is just clothes. let's go eat some chick-fil-a, nothing matters anyway. >> last nights snl nailed a well-known pattern in lgbtqia pride celebrations. that moment when you look around and go, who let them in? many pride events will return next month after going virtual for the pandemic but this year in new york the them is a group that prompted these events in the first place. pride events have become a symbol of tolerance and inclusion. they're also controversial further floats with >> corporate sponsors but it wasn't always that way.
the first major march was in 1970 and mark the one year anniversary of an nypd raid on the stone wall in, a gate bar in new york's greenwich village. the early events were >> not called gay pride >> but rather gate liberation. now, new york's pride organizers recently announced a uniform and ypg officers are no longer welcome. they are calling on the department to acknowledge their harm to the community. pride is asking the police to stay at least one block away from the event perimeter. joining us now is the interim executive director of and why see pride. good evening, welcome. >> thank you so much for having me and giving me the opportunity to speak with you tonight. >> what was the last straw? was there a moment when organizers decided that this was the right thing to do? >> these are conversations that we've been having for a very long time we join the organization in 2016 and we talked about this is stakeholders and last year when
police finally clashed with members of the queer liberation march, our organization was called to task. we were asked to speak up for our queer community. if i'm being honest, we did a porch up and we took a middle of the road stance and faced harsh criticism so we decided it was time to do more and better work so we spent the last year connecting with those same stakeholders which include nypd, organizations like the anti violence project and the reclaimed pride coalition. we held town halls and created a community council and a task force to address this issue and other issues. and we agreed that it was a most important is to put the most marginalized of our communities first. >> i think this might dumb fide people who are maybe too familiar with new york and -- multifaceted as this that the lgbtqia community would have a direct beef with law
enforcement. how has that manifested itself other than these marches last year? >> it's very complex. there's so much intersectionality. i myself have had a hard time with this. i am someone who comes with a family of police officers. my brother is a police officer, my nephew is a police officer. everything that i do, i do with my mother in mind and she is the mother and grandmother of police officers and so it's been very difficult. but we have to continue to move the dial here. we have to move the mark and we need to hold everyone accountable and that includes and ypg and gay officers action lead. we need those folks to stand up with us and we're asking for a small compromise. >> i wonder what you want the impact of this to be. i think we should be clear, something happens at pride. if someone pulls a weapon god forbid, you can't keep the nypd
out. they're coming. and the nypd is the police of the entire city of new york so you can't force them not to show up but what impact do you want this to have by keeping them away from the event that may be previous conversations have not had? >> absolutely. you're absolutely right. there is no way this can be a police free event. we don't have that jurisdiction as an organization to make that call and at the scale and size of the event that we produce, the nypd will absolutely be around. what we're asking for is a reduction in police presence. and that actually may entail more partnership and conversation with the nypd. we have private security that we brought in. those folks have to talk to nypd to find that where they start and nypd starts and vice versa. and it's important to note that we always have the utmost
respect for our spectators, our volunteers, our staff, our members. we want safety and security to be the top priority always. >> here's what i don't fully understand. if you go back to stonewall in 1969 or the raids that happened in philadelphia or los angeles in the sixties before that, the police only ever came in those bars when they were writing them. right? they were no there was no relationship before there was those raids. i understand you saying, we tried long enough you need to stay away. i also understand the argument of saying, we've tried long enough you guys need to come up closer. it's hard to hate somebody that you don't understand and it's hard to misunderstand somebody up close. why not integrate the nypd in a different way that forces them to come closer to the lgbtqia communities and gives them new and lets to really get up close to these people with whom they don't have strong clear relationships? that's really hard to build from a distance. >> absolutely.
again, you're right. and i think that's exactly what we're trying to do. we've heard a lot about the history and how they sued nypd to have the right to weather uniforms in our march. that was the nineties and that was incredible back that and it's a history that should be acknowledged. absolutely. but we're in a much different place than we were in the 19 nineties. there is a racial reckoning. there is a fear and there are triggers and trauma in relation to that uniform. and that should be acknowledge so we are asking for compromise as disenfranchised and marginalized people. black indigenous people of color have done for centuries is compromised. we are asking you to please release a uniform that strikes fear in the hearts of so many.
imagine seeing officers marching with, let's say, apollo that says police against the brutality. does that not bring you closer? does that not extend an olive branch? >> before i have to let you go, he talked about extending an olive branch. is there anything the nypd could do now to prevent this ban from happening next month? you've got the ear of the country. talk directly to the nypd now. give them exactly what you want to prevent this ban from happening if there is that possibility before we go. >> we need nypd and its officers to acknowledge that that uniform is triggering and has caused harm. that lgbtq people are six times more likely to be stopped by police. that one fifth of transgender individuals who have had experiences with police have
reported violence or harm and that's just reports. acknowledge it. stand with us. take a stance, i understand it's hard when it's your job. i understand the idea of how difficult that can be, but understand that black and brown people, transit non-binary people cannot take that off. you can take off a uniform. >> -- is the interim executive director of and why see pride. i appreciate taking the time to get into this very sticky issue. thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> more states are passing abortion restrictions and an upcoming supreme court case can strike at the heart of roe v. wade. that is just ahead, stay close. world-class interiors, and peerless design... their only competition is each other.
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states are making it much harder to get. on wednesday, a texas governor signed a heartbeat bill. it would prohibit abortions as early as six weeks. that is well before many women know they are pregnant. critics call it one of the nation's strictest anti abortion laws. just a few days prior at the supreme court agreed to hear a case about a mississippi law where the measure would ban most abortions after 15 weeks. some are speculating that the court's conservative majority might be ready to overturn roe v. wade and if that happened, abortion would quickly become illegal in these ten states. they all have so called trigger
laws to ban abortions outright if row was reversed. 12 other states could quickly follow. let's discuss it with dalia, senior editor and legal correspondent for slate. she also hosts a podcast. good evening. >> hi. >> tell us about this case. it has to do with a law and mississippi called the station will age acts that passed in 2018. what are the details of the case? >> essentially, this is one of a whole host of bands that passed more or less when kavanaugh was seated. up until then, the move had been the so-called trap laws. trap stands for targeted regulation abortion providers. those were the kind of laws that said we're going to regulate clinics, for going to regulate and have women listen to scripts from physicians, we're going to regulate how admitting privileges are
administered in the state. the kinds of laws that would have the intent of protecting internal health but the fact of closing down clinics. after kavanaugh was seated, we saw a totally different move which was to just start to pass laws that effectively just overruled row. that were a shot into the heart of roe v. wade and said we understand that there is a viability standard and that's a 24 weeks. >> right. >> don't care we're, gonna cast is a 15 weeks and see what happens. >> is this the case that antiabortion active acts dennis hoped would be the one that ends roe v. wade? i imagine there be a number of cases that would be sent to the supreme court in hopes of the outcome. not just this one. >> this was not by any means the only case, but it was part of this line of cases that were really intended to adjust the unconstitutional on their face
and forced the court to simply confront the question is roe v. wade still a good law? the other line of cases as i said would have been this slow erosion of abortion rights, the more chip chip chip kind of laws that we've seen until now. and frankly a lot of court watchers including myself thought of that chip chip chip strategy which would effectively and abortion in a whole host of red states that ever actually confronting the question of, is roe v. wade still a good law? a lot of us thought that was the path of court was gonna take. it was a good surprise that the court just went for the fences and took this big, big case. i should note, even in this case, the court had the balls to narrow a question. they went for the question for all these pre by a facility -- >> that's exactly what i was about to ask you.
with the court is known for getting these big issues, gerrymandering comes to mind. then putting forward the very narrow tailored decision that doesn't actually answer the question. it sounds like, from what you're saying, correct me if i'm wrong, this case could actually answer, the question. >> i think that certainly likes like it's the intent. i also think there are still 150 ways the court could answer the question without writing the sentence, roe v. wade is overruled, ravi raid isn't oh great role. they may say these viability laws are not good, but roe v. wade is to look at law. it wouldn't essence, in roe v. wade, certainly in the states that's trying to do away with it. but it is still, i think, very, very much on target to say this viability line -- 24 weeks, 23 weeks, that has been really undisturbed since 1973 in rural, evaporates.
at which point, i think your point is right. whether or not the court formerly over rides row, it means half the states can do away with row. >> for we move, on the new yorker -- kate robins noted that his friends believe the partisan revenge fantasy feared by the left, and crave by the, right is unlikely to materialize. he simply wants everyone to like him again. what about the external politics of how any ruling would play. how does that factor in? >> it's been an interesting term. both amy coney barrett and brett kavanaugh have tack to the center. they didn't look like they were gonna do big, big things. but the court just took a monster case, took this monster abortion case. so, whether or not they are prepared to do big, big things. they are ready to hear big, big things. i think that suggests to me, over the next term or so, we
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