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tv   All In With Chris Hayes  MSNBC  June 1, 2021 5:00pm-6:00pm PDT

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i come here to help fill the silence because in silence, wounds deepen. >> what he left out, though, is what should be done for those living survivors and that robbed community? something to think about. that's tonight's "the reidout." "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> he won the popular vote, and he won the electoral college vote. >> he can simply be reinstated, that a new inauguration date is set. >> trump world delusions keep mutating has republicans keep rigging the game to keep power. tonight the growing alarms that a slow-motion insurrection is happening right now. then two of the democratic legislators who stopped sweeping voting restrictions in texas with a dramatic exit from the state capitol. and beto o'rourke on why the fight in texas is much bigger than texas. plus how the desantis anti-vax culture war could sink
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florida's cruise industry and what the federal government is now saying and doing is 100 years after tulsa. >> my fellow americans, this was not a riot. this was a massacre. >> when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. the specter that haunts american politics on this june 1st, 2021, is the one we saw on june 1st 2020, one year ago today when amidst widespread peaceful protests against police brutality, in the nation's capitol, washington, d.c., president donald trump ordered the forces of the state to attack protesters entirely unprovoked, using physical violence including assaulting these australian journalists to clear them from the park across from the white house so that donald trump could have a photo op featuring a bible. on trump's orders, the police
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chief chased away american citizens with what appeared to be tear gas. trump's white house denied they used tear gas on protesters, and it was not until last week that a lawyer for the d.c. police admitted in court that, well, yes, yes, they did use tear gas. now, if there's a silver lining from that moment, it's that that moment led to one of donald trump's lowest polling numbers. look at that dip following the attack on peaceful protesters. it was real, widespread revulsion because most of the country still does actually belief in democracy. the majority of our fellow americans reject this authoritarianism and that's why this guy was rejected by voters by 7 million votes. but that authoritarian impulse on display there has not gone away with that man's exit. in fact, it is being revealed in a kind of high-definition grotesqueness because that individual is no longer the central figure in it. this weekend backers of the qanon conspiracy theories held a
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conference in dallas, texas, in several aspects of the totalitarian thinking, things that have become dominant in the republican party were on full display. for instance, texas congressman louie gohmert. you see him there. that is a picture of the man, an active member, sitting member of congress. he spoke at the event on saturday. he downplayed the horrific attack on the capitol, suggesting it wasn't just right-wing extremists, a claim for which there's absolutely no supporting evidence, and if it were true, you could have a commission to find it out though he voted against it. before his office tried to tell a local reporter that congressman gohmert was not at that event even though there is video and there are photos and there are eyewitnesses who were in the room with him. now, the star of the weekend was retired lieutenant general michael flynn, somewhat infamous figure now. of course he was fired by donald trump after less than a month on the job as national security adviser for lying about conversations he had with the
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russian ambassador and who trump pardoned on his way out the door after flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi. michael flynn, who himself has promoted elements of the qanon conspiracy theory appeared at the event in front of a qanon slogan. when an attendee at the event got up and asked the retired general, a decorated general, a guy who was the highest echelons of the u.s. defense system, got up and asked why the u.s. cannot have a military coup like myanmar, this is how mr. flynn responded. >> i want to know what happened in myanmar can't happen here. [ cheering ] >> no reason. i mean it should happen here.
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that's right. >> you hear the crowd, the wild glee, right? now, to be clear, you probably know this at some level, following it perhaps. there's a military coup in myanmar. it's resulted in a brutal crackdown of protesters as "the new york times" reports has so far left thousands injured, more than 600 dead. many killed have been young protesters, their lives ended with a single gunshot to the head. after the fact, flynn posted a statement on social media saying in part, quote, let me be very clear. there is no reason whatsoever for any coup in america. i do not and have not at any time called for any action of that sort. he just said it -- we saw it. we saw you say it, the same way we saw you, louie gohmert, at the event. he said it on video. now he's trying to tell us he did not say what we heard him say. in this effort of his and his fellow travelers to -- this is part of the dangerous, delusional, almost sad frankly alternate reality that donald trump's foot soldiers are out
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peddling. according to "the new york times" reporter maggie haberman, that delusion is shared by the man himself, or at least him telling a number of people he's in contact with that he expects he will get reinstated by august. reinstated? this is all being done in broad daylight. they're not hiding. they're videotaping the conference even if they try to tell you you didn't see that. you have a former very high ranking national security official who was fired and prosecuted and pardoned by the ex-leader, appearing in a rally where he endorses a military coup to take back power for that ex-leader, who is living out his days in exile in mar-a-lago, facing criminal investigations on multiple fronts by multiple authorities as he cultivates this increasingly violent authoritarian movement that stormed the capitol on his behalf, attempted to install him as the winner over the loser. nearly five months after the insurrection, we are still learning about the extent of the planning through court filings like the superseding indictment against a far-right militia group called the oath keepers
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that was unsealed just this weekend. these individuals are charged with a number of crimes related to that insurrection done on trump's behalf and at his invitation. the latest filing alleges that just days after president trump was defeated, the militia was planning for violence in d.c. quote, i do want some oath keepers to stay on the outside and to stay fully armed, prepared to go in armed if they have to. our posture is going to be we're posted outside of d.c. awaiting the president's orders. we hope he will give us the orders. we want him to declare an insurrection and call us up as the militia. they were planning to be armed and waiting for the guy who lost the election, donald trump, to give them the green light. and it's not just fringe groups like the oath keepers, a few weeks ago breitbart published a chilling letter signed by 120 flag officers, pushing the same election lies spread by trump and qanon that you could find at that conference this weekend. that kind of thing coupled with voter restrictions that republicans are passing in state after state across the country led more than 100 scholars of
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democracy to sign an open letter of their own, calling on congress to pass legislation supporting voting rights and warning, quote, our democracy is fundamentally at stake. history will judge what we do with this moment. democratic congressman bennie thompson of mississippi chairs the -- that was then voted down by a minority of senate republicans, and he joins me now. congressman, first let me start on the note that we ended that with, the letter by scholars who talk in very clear and sharp terms about what they view as the stakes for american democracy, and i wonder if you share their view. >> well, there's no question about it, chris. what those scholars said clearly represent, i think, a compendium of what they saw on january 6th. that action, an insurrection that occurred, really is a test
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for our democracy. if we allow that kind of activity to continue to fester and foster in this great country of ours, we're in real danger. and so for four months, congressman john katko and myself fashioned out what we thought was a way forward for us to go. and i was happy to see a good bipartisan vote in the house. however, i was really disappointed with what happened in the senate. but democrats in the house, we can't allow ourselves to be disappointed. we have to move forward. so there are some options available to us. i'd like to see the senate leader schumer to try again.
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>> hmm. >> one more time to say to leader mccarthy, say, you know, we're going to give you and the republicans another chance. if you don't vote the right way this time, then i'm going to ask the house to assume some leadership in trying to get some solutions. we can't allow this insurrectionist activity to occur, and you've shown on the screen, chris, exactly what occurred. you can't convince people that antifa or black lives matter movement did that. clearly it was oath keepers, proud boys, trump supporters, and others who ransacked the united states capitol. we can't allow that to go forward. so i'm convinced that speaker
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pelosi will make a decision if the senate does not move forward because we have to protect the citadel of democracy in this country, which is the united states capitol. >> let me ask you this. louie gohmert is a colleague of yours. he serves in congress where you serve. you know, retired lieutenant general michael flynn was a very praised and respected u.s. military official at a certain point in his career, before he was fired. you know, what's your reaction to hearing that moment in that room where this individual who was the national security adviser to the united states of america says in response to a whooping crowd, why can't we have a military coup, saying there's no reason we can't, we should. >> well, it's a sad day that someone who held for a short time a national security position in this country, but he
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pled guilty to a felony, and his partner, donald trump, allowed him to go free with a pardon. but nonetheless, he is a clear and present danger. chris, you know, the first amendment allows freedom of speech, but there are some things that louie gohmert and michael flynn and these other folks are saying borders on sedition. and so i'm convinced that we will look at that in due time because they just can't say anything and go untouched. and this is what's fostering this, just like if donald trump thinks he's going back into the white house in august, there's something wrong with it. and if you look at the people who attacked the capitol, i was in the capitol that day. it was not a tour.
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i was locked in for over two hours, not knowing what was going on. and clearly that is a way forward for the house of representatives. we have to secure the capitol. we have to defend our capitol police who put their lives on the line protecting us that day. and clearly if we allow this kind of activity to go forward, then every election that's held in america is at risk. >> right. that's right. >> that means that if my mayoral candidate didn't win, i'll tear up city hall. so, you know, we have to do something. >> that is a very, very, very well said and a very good point, congressman bennie thompson. thank you so much for your time tonight. in texas this weekend, you might have seen this news. a large group of democratic state lawmakers staged a walkout to block voter restrictions being pushed by the state's republicans, and it worked for now. beto o'rourke is a former democratic congressman from
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texas. he founded power by people, a grassroots electoral action group. he's launching a statewide tour to inform mobilized texas around voting rights, and he joins me now. beto, do you feel amongst texas democrats, for instance, across sort of wide swaths, grassroots folks, everyday voters, the people that you know in political circumstances, their feeling of the kind of -- the kind of stakes as articulated by those 100 historians or experts in democracy feel about this moment? >> absolutely. a few weeks ago when senate bill 7, the anti-voter elections bill that was working its way through the texas house and senate was being debated, we convened a rally outside the texas capitol in austin, and on 24 hours' notice, we were able to get the largest crowd of this year, of this legislative session standing up for voting rights and speaking out against voter
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suppression. so the people of texas, more so than just democrats, are fired up about this. they understand it is about our democracy. and what you see in texas, what passed in georgia, in florida, in iowa, in montana, this could spell the end of multiracial democracy that was guaranteed in 1965 by our fellow texan, lbj, when he signed into law the voting rights act. so i think people understand just how precarious and important this moment is, and it calls upon all of us to do all we can while we still have this window to act thanks by the way, to the texas statehouse democrats who stopped that voter suppression bill, bought us a window of time. we may have about the month of june within which to get the for the people act passed in the u.s. senate, and that puts an end to what they're trying to do in texas, georgia, and about 45 other state legislatures across the country. >> someone who has, you know, served in congress and knows the
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way -- knows how sort of the sausage gets made a bit there, right, and the compromises and the difficulty of rallying the caucus around and the fact that you pass things out of the house and the senate has its own arcane and byzantine procedures, like what do you see someone who was inside, now back in texas, not an elected official right now, when you look at this traffic japan around these sort of crucial pieces of legislation and the filibuster and that? >> i want the senate democrats and president biden to take a page from the texas house democrats, from jessica gonzalez, rafael anchia, nicole collier. they're in the minority, and yet they were able to stop this awful voter suppression bill in texas. democrats in the u.s. senate are in the majority, and let's be very clear about what republicans want to do. not only do they not want to investigate the january 6th insurrection where five people, including a capitol police officer, were killed, they want to roll back the right to vote in almost every single state in this country.
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and, chris, you've got to understand this. in texas, that bill was going to allow for the overturning of elections based on just the allegation of fraud. so you can imagine in 2024 a democrat wins the 40 electoral college votes in texas. republicans could allege fraud and overturn that election just as we know they're going to try to do in georgia and florida and other states unless we have the for the people act. so this is a time for democrats to act. this is our moment of truth to step up and stand up for this country. and we lose this moment at our peril and to the peril of american democracy. i really think it is make or break, do or die for america right now. we've got to have those senate democrats and president biden come through for us. >> there's an important distinction here between sort of voter suppression, right, things like making it harder to drive people to the polls or changing the hours of early voting or making people jump through additional hoops or striking
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people from the voter rolls, all bad. that's one category. but this category that we've seen emerge in states, and we saw it in georgia, taking power away from local election boards or secretaries of state who you think are disloyal, or creating the mechanisms to overturn election outcomes, that's a difference on a whole other plain and we're seeing that crop up too. >> and it's been to be enshrined in law in texas. as you know, though texas house democrats won the day on sunday and won that battle, the larger war is still being waged. governor abbott will call them back into a special session, and there's a very good chance that that provision is not only in the newly proposed voter suppression bill, but there will be others that are much worse. i think we actually saw the best of what we could expect from republicans, the democrats defeated. we need the senate to pass the for the people act. i think it is that simple. that's the solution and senate democrats have to step up and get it begun. >> beto o'rourke in texas, thank you very much for joining us
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tonight. appreciate it. so as you heard mr. o'rourke just saying, the governor of texas is now very angry that a bunch of democrats ruined his plan to cut back voting rights in the state. in fact, he is so angry, he is now trying to defund the legislature that got in his way. just ahead, i'll talk to two of the lawmakers the governor is threatening about why they walked out and what happens next. from the world's number 1 selling nerve care company. as we age, natural changes to our nerves occur which can lead to occasional discomfort. nervive contains b complex vitamins that nourish nerves, build nerve insulation and enhance nerve communication. and, alpha-lipoic acid, which relieves occasional nerve aches, weakness and discomfort. live your life with less nerve discomfort with nervive nerve relief. with relapsing forms of ms... there's a lot to deal with. not just unpredictable relapses. all these other things too. it can all add up.
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breaking quorum, just literally walking out so that there are not enough members present to conduct business. it's a kind of break glass sort of move. it's happened just four times in the long 175-year history of the texas legislature. in 1870, it happened when 13 texas senators walked out in protest of a militia bill. they were arrested by the governor's forces. in 1979, a group of 12 senators hid from the statehouse for days to prevent a quorum on two bills related to primary elections. >> again this morning, lieutenant governor bill hobby called senators to order, and once again no quorum. the killer bees gone have they have been since friday. the 12 fugitive senators have eluded 50 full-time state pa troltmen, investigators and texas rangers. police even searched by helicopter, and in mexico. but patrolmen failed and so were nicknamed the bumblebees. >> it happened again in 2003 when 50 democrats fled to oklahoma, breaking quorum in the
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face of a republican party plan engineered by karl rove to redistrict -- which violates the long-standing norm of that being once in a decade undertaking. then it happened again as you just heard from beto o'rourke this weekend when democrats walked off the statehouse floor to keep a sweeping voting restrictions bill from passing. democratic texas representatives jessica gonzalez and rafael anchia both participated in that walkout, and they join me now. i'll start with you, representative gonzalez. if you can tell us the objections your caucus had to this legislation and how this came about as a way of dealing with it. >> well, from the get-go -- and i serve as vice chair of the elections committee -- and, you know, from the -- the entire process, the bill was trying to be rushed through committee. none of us committee members were actually going to vote on the bill. there was conversations that were being had behind closed doors. there were agreements as far as amendments, democrat amendments when the bill hit the floor
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initially, and those amendments got stripped out. ultimately, the drafts of the bill kept changing and changing, and we didn't really -- we didn't get a copy of it until like the 11th hour, close to midnight, the day before it was going to come to the floor. the bill added additional provisions that were in neither version, and there were just blatant attacks on the black and brown community. >> so how did you and your colleagues, representative anchia, how did you figure out or decide to do this collectively? >> chris, it's going to be back, and it's good to be with my colleague jessica gonzalez. this is something we've been working on really all session and it culminated in the walkout. we fought hard against the prior versions of this bill, and when it finally was dumped on us at the 11th hour as jessica said,
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we knew we had to kill it. we were either going to talk it off or debate it off the calendar. we were going to kill it with points of order or other procedural maneuvers. if all else failed, we were going to walk off the floor and break quorum. i'm proud that democrats did that and proud that we protected the voting rights of texans. >> representative gonzalez, the governor is very angry. he's threatened to defund the legislature, to veto the bill that actually provides your funding. my understanding is you guys make about $8,000 a year and then a per diem in session, so you're not making nba basketball player salaries over there. what's your response to the governor's floating this? >> it's unfortunate that, you know, the governor resorted to make it a threat because we just followed the rules that were passed by this body. the same rules that republicans have used this entire session to rush legislation through. we saw that happening last week. these are rare, rare moves
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that -- you know, that were made in the senate as well. but who it really affects is our staff, who work many, many hours to make sure the capitol is up and running. >> so, then, now, representative anchia, i have a thing for texas politics, so i follow it quite closely. you guys have a -- you got a strange thing. every other year there's sessions but then there can be special sessions. you're always up against the clock. the governor can now call a special session and is expected to. where does this all go? this is not dead yet. >> well, the governor can call a special session at any time. we'll see if he does. if he wants to have a conversation about stripping voting rights from texans, i'm ready to have it. i'm a first-generation american of this country. my mother left mexico that had one-party rule for 70 years, my dad from northern spain literally left dictatorship. so i'm ready for this fight. i was born ready for this fight. and candidly, they came to this country for the ideals that she
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represents. i mean voting rights are fundamental to our democracy, and if greg abbott wants to put on a special session, the fact that he's going to strip away voting rights with no evidence, including statements from his secretary of state that we had a safe, secure, and successful election, we can have that conversation because it's not just going to be 67 democrats. we're going to be joined by thousands of texans, people like beto o'rourke and many, many others who are going to come here to the capitol and make sure that the eyes of america and the eyes of the world are on us. we're the ninth largest economy in the world. we need to have a robust democracy, not one where it's harder to vote. >> texas state representative jessica gonzalez and rafael anchia, both of whom broke quorum and that bill did not pass. we'll keep following the story. appreciate it. next, the covid gambit that backfired in florida. how governor ron desantis might end up killing his state's cruise ship industry in order to own the libs, after this.
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for the second time in just over a week, florida's ron governor ron desantis is getting all big government on private businesses. last monday you might recall desantis signed a law that would punish big tech companies like facebook and twitter if they banned political candidates from their platforms. its constitutionality is really unclear, and you may also recall the law had a hilarious carveout for media companies who happen to own theme parks because of course florida depends on disney and universal and so they were exempted from his stunt law, which means he doesn't really even believe in his own stunt law. now he's got a new law that says businesses who ask customers for proof of vaccination will be fined up to $5,000 for each customer they ask. and of course this has become a problem with the cruise ship industry which is largely based in florida and trying to make a comeback with fully vaccinated cruises. many lines now require adult passengers to be vaccinated
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after the centers for disease control and prevention told cruise companies that vaccine are a fast track to resuming. so as ron desantis potentially kills the cruise ship business in florida, even republicans are asking, in what universe are these conservative moves? marc caputo is a senior writer at politico who covers florida and he joins me now. marc, first let start with the cruise industry in florida which is a big deal down there. obviously even before covid, like notoriously a vector of infection. this is like a thing people know about cruises. it's like a norovirus. this is not new to anyone. everyone understands you put these two things together, that's an issue. >> that's true. i think you hit on it pretty well in the intro, is what's surprising here is the cruise ship industry usually gets everything it wants out of the florida legislature and the florida governor's office.
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for instance, tucked in a different bill is legislation that would undo a voter-approved referendum in key west to limit the size of mega cruise ships. the big mega cruise ships ruin the harbor. so what you're starting to see more of and hear more people talk about is this is a new type of conservative that desantis is representing. it's kind of a more of a statist, where he doesn't mind the government interfering or more seriously regulating different industries if they happen to cross the desires or wishes of the head of the state here, in this case it's desantis. that said, i really don't think, knowing what i know about how much money is on the line here, that an accommodation won't be worked out. what can an accommodation look like? some of the things we're hearing about, for instance, would be maybe the cruise ship could require everyone to get a rapid
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test. and if you don't want to take a rapid test, you could get out of it by showing a vaccine. that's one possible way to save face. but in the end, if they do wind up saving face, it's going to de facto be a vaccine passport anyway, and there's only so much face that's going to be saved. but it could save some people from potentially getting or spreading infection. >> this is such a common sense item. it really feels like if there's a single place, right, like a single place that could demand vaccinations, it's cruise ships, okay? i mean even if you think generally, oh, well, you shouldn't have to get a vaccine to teach kids or you shouldn't have -- like one place -- and the second thing here, i saw someone make the joke that if carnival cruise were to say they have a religious objection to unvaccinated people on their ships, the entire conservative movement would be behind them. they would take that to the court on their behalf. >> you know, i don't know
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anymore. what we're seeing in the era of trump is kind of really scrambled alliances and the like. i would not have thought i would be discussing a florida governor imposing more regulations on the cruise industry. i just wouldn't think i would have seen that. but here we are. >> your point about the sort of politics of this, i mean desantis strikes me as someone who has very deftally played the politics of this moment for two reasons. he understands that sort of picking these high-profile national fights probably help him with the base. he has a fairly good job approval in the state. he's not unpopular, i think, by any means. but this seems like a place, to your point about the accommodation, where it's not just like a theoretical thing. like they're going to have to figure out how to get the cruise industry running and the cdc has its guidelines. the cruise industry wants to get vaccinated customers on there, and something's going to give here. >> right. i can't see what should give except for in these cases where you're going to come up with
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some sort of cosmetic way to save face for the governor. but to your point, the governor early on, he was very deft in his first year in picking fights with different, let's say, groups or different people to whom the republican base is now opposed. >> right. >> for instance, they banned sanctuary cities in florida. well, florida doesn't have sanctuary cities, but now we ban them. so at least in this case, some businesses, presumably cruise ships want to do vaccine passports, so it's actually a law that was designed to stop something from happening. they're not talking about stopping critical race theory from being taught in schools. my wife is a public schoolteacher. she doesn't have time to teach critical race theory. so there have been a number of cases where desantis has just been very apt in seizing the moment. that said, this is in keeping with his brand of conservatism. he came of age politically, so
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to speak, when obama was president and there was that kind of anti-obama reactionary conservatism, and he embodies that quite well. the other thing is the states -- you know, if you look at the metrics, the state's covid response when it comes to death and when it comes to the economy, is probably about five on a scale of ten. we're middle of the pack in death rate for instance. same with, say, unemployment. if you believed a lot of the critics, you would have thought that florida's response to covid was a one or a negative one. if you believe desantis, it's a positive ten. but the reality is he is benefiting from those low expectations that have been set for him. things look pretty good economically right now in florida. the real estate market is booming. so he's reaping the rewards of the fact that the economy, at least in the eyes of many voters is doing rather well and they're rather happy with him. >> it's going to be interesting as we come up against midterms how those state economies and federal economies balance against each other in terms of people running on those various records.
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this is our shot. ♪♪ on the very same day that senator rand paul of kentucky blocked a bipartisan commission to get to the bottom of what happened on january 6th, he spent some time engaging in the age-old political tradition of grandstanding about the scourge of wasted taxpayer dollars, particularly research funded by the federal government. a favorite target of republicans for frankly as long as i can remember. and in this case the study of the sex life of japanese quails on cocaine. now, what is the price tag, you ask, for studying the sex habits of japanese quails on cocaine? $356 million? well, that does sound like quite a bit, but wait a second. what is going on on the right side of that decimal? did senator paul's staffers add
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an extraneous zero there to make a $356,000 grant seem like a $356 million grant. it sure looks like it. this is a whole bit with rand paul, phillip, as you discovered in your reporting. take us through rand paul and the coked up japanese quails. >> sure. it's sort of hard to live up to that headline, but i'll do my best. i mean, so he made this presentation on thursday. the sort of interesting thing about it was he had made the exact same presentation two days prior with a totally different number. on tuesday he used the figure that you showed. a couple days earlier, he had done one that was about $875,000. it turns out if you go back in time, he's been doing the same presentation for years and years.
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it turns out if you actually dig into it, he's actually quoting a document that was produced by senator tom coburn back in 2012 looking at this study of japanese quail and cocaine use. the study itself ended in 2016, so this hasn't even been done at any point in the past five years, but not only is he using this outdated data, he's also using this number, this 356 whatever dot 140. the 140 isn't a cents. it's not as though he's trying to inflate the scale of this. it's actually a footnote marker from the original report pointing to footnote 140 which explains where that dollar figure comes from. so not only is it not an exaggeration of millions, it's just a typo. >> it's so good. so this is a 2011 tom coburn report on some study that actually was funded, right? the national institute of health, which funds a lot of basic research -- i don't know. maybe it would be useful to know what the coked up quails are
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like when they're having, you know, sexy times. maybe that's interesting and important. but this was a 2011 item. they copy and pasted it wrong, adding the 140. so it wasn't what i thought it was. i was like, oh, you sly, sly staffers, adding an extraneous zero to a decimal to inflate the newspaper. it's just acopy and paste error that has been carried over for ten years? >> apparently, yes. i mean, the fact this has been going on so long, when this first was introduced in 2012, scientific american actually did this extensive report saying here's actually why it's useful to look at quail and cocaine use. we learn more about cocaine. quail have this very particularly mating pattern, which is not ever something i thought i'd say on msnbc. but apparently this is something of import. but rand paul has been running this thing so long. i mean tom coburn died last year but he lives on in this report
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that rand paul can't get enough of, in part obviously because the graphic of the quail with his head in a pile of powder is too irresistible. >> i make tv for a living so i get it. it's a visual media. to me what's so striking, on the same day they're blocking the january 6th commission, it did seem like it was teleported from a different era. this is the kind of deception, fact massaging that i associate with a kind of politics that seems incredibly almost remote and antique increasingly. >> yeah. i mean i have a pet theory, which i really can't say is valid, but i think that the fact that this was -- so i'm just going to say it on tv. i think the fact this was nih funding is important. keep in mind that rand paul has been in this battle with anthony fauci for months now over the coronavirus. he is a fixture at the nih. i think there may be an element of retribution in that regard.
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just under a hundred years ago in the aftermath of the tulsa massacre this was the front page of the black dispatch an african-american owned newspaper in oklahoma city. loot. arson. murder. the picture shows the former black wall street on greenwood avenue in tulsa reduced to rubble like a scene from a european city after world war i. that's after a gang of white men attacked the district from the ground and the air destroying hundreds of black owned businesses, burning homes to the ground, killing at least 300 people. the massacre started may 31st and lasted for two days. this is how it was covered in the white owned "morning daily tulsa world" as it unfolded on the morning of june 1st. two whites dead in race riot.
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by the second edition the headline read, many more whites are shot. by the third edition the headline read, state troops in charge. what's crazy to contemplate is that wildly misleading false history, the massacre was some kind of race riot between two sides and a bunch of whites got killed and really who is to say who started what? that began the very day of the massacre a hundred years ago. it ended up winning the narrative battle and became the dominant view for almost a century. a hundred years later president joe biden was in tulsa to commemorate the massacre and note how it and many other events played a lasting role in the racial wealth gap we see to this day. >> this isn't a story of a loss of life but a loss of living and wealth and possibilities. imagine all the hotels and dinners and mom and pop shops that could have been passed down
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this past hundred years. imagine what could have been done for black families in greenwood. financial security and generational wealth. >> with me now is emory law professor author of "the whiteness of wealth" dorothy brown. this is one of the areas of your expertise, professor brown. you study this. you wrote this fantastic book which i recommend. we talked about it on our podcast. when you think about the ramifications, not just of the human suffering, right, the awful mass murder, the trauma inflicted, but what that meant for generations on how does something like this reverberate through the years? >> well, it's massive and never ending. it is the inability to pass on wealth to your children. it's the inability to pay for college for your grandchildren. it's the inability to pass on a legacy. and what is so fascinating to me is there's a lot of focus on tulsa and black wall street, but
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that was the exception. most black americans did not have the access to this wealth that was ultimately burned to the ground. >> right. other forms of dispossession existed. not quite as specifically violent in the moment as that but that existed throughout obviously the jim crow south, that led to the great migration north to get out from the structures that had been created to produce essentially the outcomes those three days in tulsa produced. >> that is exactly right. you could see that the response to black excellence was burning it to the ground. >> what do you say to folks that say, well, this was horrible, obviously, and it's good we're commemorating it, but, you know, it happened a very long time ago and it was a one specific moment and we should, maybe we should give reparations to just those families or make right to those families but this wasn't something broader than what
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happened there in those three days? >> well, first of all, it was broader than what happened in those three days. there were dozens of other race assaults like this, so we had one in atlanta. there was in chicago. all over the country we had these kinds of white riots in response to black excellence. so, yes. there should be compensation for what went on there, but it wasn't just there. >> and the compensation, we should note that there has been as far as i can tell no compensation for the victims of tulsa, zero. >> zero. >> there's zero compensation. there were no arrests of any of the people that engaged in the mass murder. there were no trials. and one question i have when i read your book is that the means by which wealth was sort of taken away from black people in this country was so long
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standing, systematic, and violent that it's hard to imagine corrective policies that won't be rather disruptive because of what they're making up for. >> that's right. if you get ill gotten gains through disruption then you really can't complain if the solution is some different disruption. right? so we have to think about, it was unfair, and we can't just say that happened then and i didn't do it. therefore i'm not responsible for it. but those of us living in the 21st century particularly white americans have benefited from this white supremacist system of wealth building. >> how so? >> well, what we see is fha loans for example. who could get fha loans? you may be alive today because a grandparent who was white got an fha insured loan. my grandparent who's black could not have gotten it. so even though you may not have done anything in 2021 you
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benefited from a system that helped your relatives build wealth simply because they were white. >> and does that, is that still in effect today? >> when you say is it still in effect today, if i'm white and i inherit a house from a grandparent, right, who got this fha insured mortgage, yes. i am benefiting today. if i had a grandparent who was an immigrant and able to put together a business that a black american who was here couldn't do and i benefit from that, then i am benefiting in the 21st century from systemic racism that is not too distant past. >> in the case of tulsa we should note there are several survivors who actually lived through it and then their children and grandchildren. the line is not so distantly removed we can't trace it back. >> that's right. >> dorothy brown the book is
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called "the whiteness of wealth." check it out and check out our conversation why is this happening, the podcast we did. thank you so much for your time. that is all in on this tuesday night. the rachel maddow show starts right now. good evening, rachel. good evening, chris. thank you my friend. much appreciated. thank you for joining us this hour. it doesn't always work this way right after a holiday weekend but it's right after a holiday weekend and the news is on full blast today. sometimes it's sort of a slower on ramp back into the news but not today. president biden today was in tulsa, oklahoma touring the greenwood district, the prosperous, self-sufficient, african-american neighborhood in tulsa that 100 years ago this week was beset by a white mob as the president said today it was not a riot. it was a massacre. thousands of homes and businesses not only looted but burned to the ground. whole blocks of homes and businesses and churches and newspapers and