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reporting. that is all the time i have for today. i am alicia menendez. i will see you back here tomorrow at 6:00 p.m. eastern for more "american voices." for now i hand it over to my colleague joshua johnson. hello, joshua. >> hello. what an amazing young woman to pull that switcheroo the last minute and talk about something so important. i'm glad you shared that story. >> it took guts indeed. >> it did. hello to. it is good to be with you tonight. any minute former president trump will put himself in the spotlight with one of his official appearances since leaving office. plus, brand-new audio from congresswoman liz cheney on the dangers she says mr. trump poses to the nation. plus, president biden is moving closer to an infrastructure package. how much is he willing to give up to win bipartisan approval. plus, today the justice department said it will no longer secretly gather
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journalists' records. we will dive into the hands-off relatesship with the doj as he tries to set boundaries for the agency. plus, today marks 40 years since the first cdc report on what we call aids. how far have we come and what is next in the fight against hiv. and we will talk about pro sports with nba hall of famer chris bosh. i'm joshua johnson. welcome to "the week." ♪ ♪ it has been quite a week and this week was marked both by anticipation and anxiety. one reason for the anxiety among many americans, the former president will speak any moment now at the republican state convention. he is expected to touch on some familiar themes. we're monitoring it in case he commits news, and nbc's ali vitali is there in north carolina. we will have an update from her
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in a moment. tonight caps a week of trump-related news. he has reportedly been telling friends he will be reinstated as president this summer. for those of you playing the home game, it is not possible. also, his former national security adviser michael flynn was forced to backtrack after saying a military coup like what happened in myanmar should happen here. meanwhile, facebook's oversight board announced mr. president is suspended from the platform because of his role in the january 6th riot at the capitol. the company will re-evaluate that after two years. this week donald trump shut down his blog because readership was so low. depending on your perspective, it could feel like america has a tiger by the tail with donald trump or like we're just dealing with a cornered cat. how should we react to all of this? today liz cheney weighed in on that. she spoke at an event for the university of chicago. >> i think that -- that president trump's continued
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activities demonstrate the falsity of the idea that if we simply ignore him he'll go away. there are some in my party who are embracing him. there are some who don't want to embrace him, who don't want him to be part of the future of the party or the country, but who think that we can get to that point by simply ignoring him, and i just don't believe that. >> so that's all about donald trump, but it is president biden who is in the white house. he is moving closer to action on an infrastructure package. it is a big shift from the former president's talk of an infrastructure week that never quite happened. now, these negotiations still have a ways to go. however, president biden says he has not closed the door on a bipartisan deal. on wednesday he proposed a range of options to increase spending. the idea is to raise taxes without reversing anything in the 2017 republican tax plan. yesterday the white house rejected a gop offer. it included a $50 billion
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increase on their original proposal of almost $1 trillion. now, some democrats are ready to step back from the negotiating table and pass the plan through reconciliation. that's how they did covid relief. but not west virginia's joe manchin. he told nbc's garrett haake it has to be a bipartisan bill to get his support. >> reporter: are you ready to go it alone with just democrats? >> i don't think you should. i really don't. >> reporter: at all? at any point? >> i don't think right now basically we need to be bipartisan. i have always said this. i never have seen a pothole with a republican or democrat name on it. it will bust your tire, don't care who you are. >> while the former president speaks in north carolina let's begin with the current president and the democrats' efforts to work together on policy solutions. joining us is democrat tom
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mellenski. good evening. welcome. >> good evening. great to be here. >> what is your sense of the negotiations? the white house released a statement thanking the gop for their work so far but saying it is not quite where the president wants it to be. is it your suspense that there are one or two sticking points left or is there more than that that's keeping both sides apart? >> i think we can do it. i now we can do it in the house. i spent some of today talking to my democratic and reasonable republican colleagues on the house caucus about what a bipartisan compromise might look like, and i think we are very close to something that would be acceptable to me as a democrat. you know, i think the sticking point probably will be how we pay for it. you know, we have some republicans who refuse to touch anything related to the 2017 tax bill, as if that was something sacred. some have rejected even
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president biden's incredibly reasonable proposal to leave those tax rates in place for corporations, but simply say every corporation should at least pay those tax rates, at a minimum 15% tax. so we're going to need some give from the republicans on that because you know what? we want to be responsible, we want to pay for this. we don't want to just add billions of dollars more to the national debt. that used to be their issue. we are trying to be responsible now. but, again, i think we can get there. >> i note you said reasonable republicans. how reasonable do you think the gop caucus is in general on working towards a bipartisan deal? >> we had 35 votes for the january 6th commission in the house, and that was a bipartisan deal. we gave the republicans everything they asked for and most of them still voted against it. that was a searing moment, i think, for a lot of us. you know, i think the contrast right now is we're busy trying
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to create jobs and a large segment of that party is busy trying to create drama and chaos. still and for all to former president trump, telling the country that even -- even republicans as conservative as liz cheney are not welcome in the party. and if she is not welcome -- whoops. >> are you here, congressman? i can hear you. >> oh, yes. i'm sorry. >> i hear you. >> i'm sorry. i lost the feed. okay. if she's not welcome in the party, then who is welcome? anybody who is independently minded, who thinks critically, even if they're deeply conservative is not welcome. that makes it a very hard party to negotiate with. we do have a few who are willing to find common ground, and my hope is we can get there. >> well, how much do you think that the difficulty is with the republican party as opposed to
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maybe the call coming from inside the house, with different points of view within the democratic party that have to be reconciled? we heard joe manchin say he is not willing to support anything that is not thoroughly bipartisan as he sees it. there's talk about house senator kyrsten sinema of arizona might be an impediment to what some of the more progressive might want. how is this affecting negotiating with the other party? >> i think there are core elements of an infrastructure bill that every democrat is going to need to be able to vote for this bill. we're not just -- we don't want to just rebuild dwight eisenhower's interstate highway system for the 21st time. we want to move into the 21st century, and that means in park making a down payment in this bill on the transition from fossil fuels to clean energy. we need america to lead that global transition, not fall behind china and europe and other countries.
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so that bipartisan compromise, even if it doesn't include everything that joe biden has proposed, it has got to include the money for electrical vehicles and for upgrading our electrical grid and other climate change-related measures that, you know, he proposed. i can tell you in the house as we have these bipartisan discussions, we have consensus on much of that. so that's what gives me some confidence that we can get to a compromise that most democrats, including many progressive democrats, will view as a huge step forward for the country. >> and very, very briefly, congressman, we mentioned that donald trump is planning to speak tonight in north carolina. what impact do you think that he might have on, say, the mid-terms or 2024, even these negotiations right now? >> you know, i'm trying not to think about him. it is hard not to because so many of my colleagues in the house and senate, republican colleagues, seem to still be in
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thrall to him. again, the january 6th vote was a classic example of that, where we gave them everything they asked for and they were still unwilling to cross the leader of their party, and that's what he still is. so we're going to do our best to run on a record of economic recovery, a record of creating jobs. >> right. >> a record of making america from last in the world to first in the world in fighting covid. if he is out there creating chaos, well, that will be the contrast. >> new jersey democratic congressman tom malinowski. congressman, thank you very much. >> thank you. donald trump has had a very busy week between social media bans and criminal investigations. this evening he takes to a very sympathetic stage. you are looking live at the stage of the state convention of the north carolina republican party. he just began speaking there in greenville, north carolina, and that is where we find nbc political reporter ali vitali
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standing by live. ali, can you give us a sense of what the lead-up has been to the speech even as we are getting ready to listen in to see if he commits any news tonight? >> reporter: well, we've already seen some hallmarks of the things that we've come to expect from trump rallies. certainly the playlist is the same. not used to white table cloths and dinner over these kinds of rallies, but this is him appearing at the convention so a slightly different forum, but a very expected reception. you see many of the people in this room have now sat down, but as he came on stage a lengthy standing ovation. out of the corner of my eye as he came on stage i saw a stage that said trump won with the date of the 2020 election. of course, that's not what happened, but it is a reminder that his base is listening and internalizing and believes him when he continues to revive claims that he won the 2020 election, even though he did not. he's continued to drop these kinds of conspiracy theory-laden bread crumbs when he says things in statements like "next time
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i'm in the white house" or "when i take back the white house" as he did in a video he released before coming here. there are people i spoke to outside who say that they have heard that kind of talk among trump supporters, that they are friends with and in their communities. so that kind of messaging does start getting taken into the grassroots of this movement, and that's when it becomes potentially dangerous. it is why you hear people like congresswoman liz cheney continuing to warn against the kinds of rhetoric that trump and other republicans who support him have used to talk about the 2020 election because it is not rooted in fact. to take it a step further though, too, when you look across the country and you see these republican-led state pushing sweeping and restrictive voter laws, it is an outcome of them saying we need to secure our elections even though the 2020 election experts have said repeatedly was secure. so as i'm listening, talking to you and then listening in my other ear, i'm listening to see if he ends up talking about that, not that there's any other
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shortage of news he can react to in real-time. you mentioned that ban from facebook lasting two years. as trump is up here talking about the need to take back the house, take back the senate in the mid-term elections, he will be vocal about that. we expect there to be more rallies, more public appearances, but at the same time he is doing it without the megaphone that did fuel him over the course of the last five years, twitter and other social media platforms. >> briefly, ali, before i let you get back to listening to the speech, you mentioned him getting back out on the trail. we're not expecting him to -- i use the flip ant phrase commit news, but we're not expecting him to make any big announcementser anything like that, this is more of a rhetorical moment to keep his profile up in gop politics, right? >> reporter: yes, definitely. we often talk about the hold he has on the party. this is the beginning of the foray for the summer, him physically getting on the campaign trail and taking that megaphone, having more of a role to play in the consistent daily messaging of the republican party.
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we know he wants to play in the mid-terms. we know there are candidates he plans on supporting. also though, the conservative group cpac that hosted him several months ago for his first appearance since leaving the white house just announced he will be appearing with them several weeks from now in texas. so we're going to start seeing more of those events start popping up on the calendar and it is just a reminder for the party that he is one of the biggest messengers they have at their disposal as they try to chart a path forward. they hope that that path includes retaking the house and the senate. at the same time you cannot move forward with trump without also relitigating the past. that's something republican lawmakers have told me they would like to avoid doing, but with the former president it is clear that all of these gripes are still very fresh in his mind and can be revived whenever he wants them to be. >> yeah, we will see how the party threads that needle between what it wants to do as a party and what donald trump wants to do with the party. thank you, ali. that is nbc political correspondent ali vitali live in greenville, north carolina. coming up, more on a pledge the justice department made today. what it means for the biden
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the first amendment bans government from interfering with the freedom of the press.
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no wonder the white house made an announcement today about the department of justice. officials say the doj will no longer seize information from news organizations. this came in response to news that the department tried to access the e-mail accounts of four "new york times" journalists. a statement from white house press secretary jen psaki said that the white house stays out of criminal investigations. however, the subpoenas for reporters' records, specifically to investigate information leaks, is, quote, not consistent with the president's policy direction to the department, unquote. yesterday "the times" revealed it was gagged from revealing the doj attempts. this push began under the trump administration but it continued after president biden took office. "the times" was not the only target, far from it. back in 2017 the trump doj also seized the phone records of reporters at "the washington post", and weeks later we learned that the doj seized records related to a cnn correspondent's phone and
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e-mail. "the new york times" executive editor responded to these latest revelations. he said that the doj's actions profoundly undermine press freedom. joining us now is charlie savage, a washington correspondent for "the times". he is also an msnbc contributor and author of "power wars: the relentless rise of presidential authority and secrecy." explain to us more about what we know about what the trump doj was trying to achieve here. >> well, the trump doj was trying to find who the sources were for four "new york times'" reporters, probably from an april 17 article that contained classified information about a document russia had hacked. we know that they obtained secretly four months of phone records for those four reporters, my four colleagues, and they tried to obtain e-mail data showing who they had sent and received e-mails from, from
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google because google provides "the new york times" back-end e-mail system. but google refused to turn over those records, unlike the phone company in question, and eventually as the administration changed pushed the justice department to at least tell "the new york times" this fight was happening, which it did in march. but in a very rare, apparently unprecedented step, it told a top newsroom lawyer for "the times", david mccraw, but also imposed a gag order on him, so that until this week he was unable to tell the newsroom, including my boss who you just quoted, that this was happening. all of this was surrounding an effort to figure out who had been in contact with the reporters who wrote this story that launched a leak investigation, apparently targeting james comey, the former fbi director. >> now, president biden was asked about seizing journalists' records back in may. here is what he said at the time. >> absolutely positively it is
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wrong. it is simply, simply wrong. >> so you won't let your justice department do that? >> i will not let that happen. >> so what do you make of the position that the doj has taken now? they said that they're not going to be doing the things that were listed in this statement, but that still leaves a number of other possible options for ways that they could exert some aggressive pressure on journalists. >> well, i'm sure they're still going to occasionally do leak investigations, that's just what they do. but this was a very important step. so when president biden said that last month, it was off the cuff, as you just saw. it was sort of -- it was not clear whether that was real or just president biden kind of riving with a reporter who asked him something he wasn't expecting to be asked. we asked the justice department at the time, is this real, are you changing your policy because they have official regulations that permit them to go after reporters' records under certain
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situations, they did it not just under trump but obama and they refused to comment. i think there was resistance to an unequivocal ban on this practice of going after reporters' confidential records to see who they were in contact with. after the latest flare-up surrounding the gag order and so forth, the white house made clear, yes, it is going to happen. the justice department today announced it will not go after the records of reporters who are, quote, doing their jobs. so that still leaves a little bit of wiggle room because they can define certain activities as outside the bounds of legitimate journalistic news gathering activities, and we don't know how they will define that and what they will say is off limits and what is on limits. obviously things are very complicated in the world where there's not just the mainstream media but there's state-sponsored russian propaganda organizations like
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wikileaks, and we don't know where they will draw the line. nevertheless, it is a major policy change. it is a reversal of how things worked not just under the trump administration but also under the obama administration. so this is a very big deal for first amendment activities and investigative journalism. >> and before i have to let you go, i know over the years there have been a growing number of people who said, well, we face all of these threats around the world, journalists are dealing with all kinds of information including digital information, i don't want the government wire tapping reporters necessarily but if they have to do some surveillance, including digging through records to protect national security, then that may be a reasonable cost of doing business in 2021. what about that? >> well, obviously i'm an investigative journalist who writes about national security matters, and so i'm biassed. that said, the ability to speak to confidential sources is crucial for educating the public about what the government is
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doing, and it has led to all kinds of revelations over the last couple of decades after the post-9/11 environment including about the cia's torture program, about the national security agency's bulk collections of everyone's call records, and many other things that are part of how democracy works in the united states. it is part of educating the public so there can be an informed electorate, and that is why the founders included in the first amendment to the constitution that government shall pass no law abridging the freedom of the press. so that is the system we have, and that is the system that has come under increasing pressure and jeopardy as the 21st century has gotten more aggressive about treating leaks of information to the public as a crime. >> charlie savage of "the new york times". charlie, thanks very much. >> thank you. coming up, congress gets back to work on monday, and scholars are giving them an urgent warning. take action or lose our
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orenstein, an emeritus scholar at the american enterprise institute and among the scholars that signed that letter. good to see you again. welcome. >> good to see you, too, joshua. call me norm. >> good to see you, norm. what do you think the action might look for? is it the for the people act working its way through congress or could it be something else, assuming we are talking about federal action from washington? >> it starts with the voting rights acts which was eviscerated by the shelby county action. they're separate but important actions to take. it is important to know even if we got all of the elements for the for the people act, which would safeguard federal elections for voters and make it easier for them to vote and overcome a lot of these voter suppression measures, they don't directly address the biggest threat that we have to our democracy. as i saw ali vitali at the start of the show talking about trump
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out there continuing to agitate and, as you mentioned, all of these states that are building in ways in which they can overturn legitimate election results, we've got a bigger problem. but it has to start with protecting those voting rights. >> norm, you and i were on thursday, and it turned into a debate unexpectedly. i think part of the way we left it is where i would like to pick up with you. i don't want to leave the impression that the way you were defining what the problem is was false. i think you are seeing the problem as it actually is, even though the path forward may seem a little opaque. what would you say to someone that says, ah, okay, fine, this is bad. i'm not a donald trump fan, but the death of american democracy? that sounds a little strong. on what do you base that? how do you substantiate that concern? >> there are two ways in which i would look at it, joshua. the first is that on january 6th when we had this violent assault on the capitol that endangered
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the lives of members of congress and the vice president of the united states, later that day two-thirds of house republicans still voted to say that the election outcome was illegitimate. you do not have a single republican at this point in the house or senate willing to sign on to protecting voting rights. so we don't have support from elected officials in washington,. but the secretary part of it is the chilling actions that are being taken in these state legislatures and signed by republican governors. one of the most chilling elements being making it criminal for local election officials to help people actually exercise their rights to vote. that along with taking power away from those election officials who made sure that the 2020 election was free, fair and complete, don't leave me very happy. of course, the reality is that if we look at what could happen,
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the fact that if you keep the electoral margin below the 270 electoral votes that make a majority -- >> right. >> -- it is the house of representatives that decides by state, and republicans even if they don't have a majority are almost certain to have a majority of those states, and you see what elected officials and party officials have been saying. i just don't think we have a commitment to fairness or democracy any more in one of our political parties and that's scary. now, i would say what you said on the "meet the press" forum, i would subscribe to there are a lot of really decent people in america who believe in those democratic values. but when you have 70% of republicans in the country who think that donald trump won the election, i'm not sure it is going to be enough. >> well, and with regards to the decent people in the country, there was a piece in vox that kind of split up the things that maybe need to be done through congress or in a legislative
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level or in the courts and that could be done in a messaging through campaigning and voter education, how much of this do you think has to be eye dressed by we, the people, as opposed to an institution above us or more governmentally? how much of this do everyday americans have to do themselves? >> we certainly need to have a public response to all of this. here i would also say that the press has a responsibility as well to keep highlighting and spotlighting these issues. this is not business as usual and this is not a party acting the way it usually does, and we need to convince more and more people who have a tribal identity with the republican party at this point that what is more important is the fundamental values and the rules we have established for a democracy. so that's really important. the fact is the laws can change, the courts have already changed and they're actually troublesome elements here, but it does start with the public. we have to have public pressure
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here. at this point for most of the elected republicans, it is not there because their own constituents believe the conspiracy theories and the lies that have been told to them by not just the president but by the likes of tucker carlson, sean hannity and way too many others. >> i'm glad we can discuss this and deliberate this. i appreciate we can continue the conversation from thursday. there aren't any easy answers to this but i appreciate you helping us kind of understand the bounds of the problem. good to see you, sir. thanks very much. >> any time, joshua. always a pleasure. coming up, july 4th is the president's deadline to vaccinate 70% of the nation. how close or far are we? also, nba hall of famer chris bosh is here with his advice for younger athletes. we'll ask him about the pressures of pro sports and mental health after naomi osaka quit the french open. that's ahead in our next hour.
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we might have something extra to celebrate this july 4th. president biden's goal is to have 70% of american adults at least partially vaccinated by then. this week he announced a national month of action. it includes free child care, community canvassing and vaccination events, partnerships with businesses like black-owned barberships and a national tour led by vice president kamala harris. the president says these initiatives could give us a
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relatively normal summer. >> a summer of freedom, a summer of joy, a summer of get-togethers and celebrations, an all-american summer that this country deserves after a long, long dark winter that we have all endured. >> a summer of joy. i kind of like the sound of that. so here is where the vaccination effort stands so far. 63% of american adults have received at least one shot. 52% are fully vaccinated. you count as fully vaccinated two weeks after your last shot. right now 12 states have already hit the 70% target, but according to a "new york times" analysis at least 30 states are not on track to meet the july 4th goal. apparently at this rate, a few states may not even get there this year, and that is forcing some states to get creative. governors across the country are offering incentives like free amusement park tickets, scholarships, and even a chance to win a million dollars.
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last night the largest vaccine initiative -- incentive program in the country kicked off. 15 california residents won $50,000 each. the state will select a second batch of winners next friday. california lifts its restrictions on june 15th, and on that day it will also award ten vaccinated residents $1.5 million each. so we're getting the virus that causes covid under control, but what about the virus that causes aids? today marks 40 years since the first reported cases before we knew what the disease even was. how will the covid pandemic affect the fight to make aids history? that's just ahead. stick with us. how to make a rock star. start 'em young. let them fail. and be there when they do. believe in their dreams. the more wild and absurd,
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♪ common love isn't for us ♪ ♪ we created something phenomenal ♪ ♪ don't you agree? ♪ ♪ don't you agree? ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ow! ♪ we have come so far in the fight against hiv. today marks 40 years since we learned of the disease we now called aids for the first time. it was noted in a cdc report on this date in 1981. president biden marked the anniversary by naming a new director of the white house office of national aids policy. he also released a statement recognizing the more than 700,000 americans and nearly 33 million people worldwide who have died from aids-related illnesses. mr. biden also acknowledged that the pain of many aids' victims went unacknowledged for far too long. before it was aids, it was grid,
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the gay-related immune deficiency. the contracted pneumonia. it took years important the government to respond to what many saw as a gay disease. it took more than four years for ronald reagan to say aids in public. it took almost six years for the fda to approve the first medication, azt, and it often caused some nasty side effects. compare that to our amazingly effective covid vaccines. it took less than a year to make them available and only after years of research leading up to this pandemic. today around 38,000 americans are diagnosed hiv positive each year. antiretroviral drugs make the disease more liveable. in fact, as long as treatment keeps the virus undetectable
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research shows it cannot be sexually transmitted. joining us is jeffrey crowley, program director of infectious disease initiatives at georgetown's o'neale institute for national and global health law. also former director of the white house office of national aids policy. welcome to the program. >> thank you, joshua, for having me on. thank you for spotlighting this issue. >> for sure. particularly because there's some concern about what it will mean for the fight against hiv, considering how much covid-19 has really drawn on a lot of our health care infrastructure. what is your sense of where we stand with the fight against hiv today? >> well, i think that covid is a setback, but i also think the way that the hiv response has really helped us in responding to covid shows the interconnected nature of infectious diseases and other public health problems. there's no way we would have made the progress we did on covid but for the research invested in hiv research, the infrastructure, the health care
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providers and the community response with hiv that helped respond to covid. but i also look at how quickly we developed these vaccines for covid, and i think we need to take inspiration. you know, nih and others have invested heavily in research, but it is tougher to fight. i think we need to be inspired and say by 2030 we will have a vaccine for hiv. >> what do you attribute it to? the pfizer and moderna vaccines use mrna technology. we had dr. anthony fauci on the program a few weeks ago and he said he was optimistic we could make strides in the fight against hiv based on some of the success we have had in the fight against covid. >> no, i think that's right. i mean, first of all, this is a new technology, not only in hiv but a number of areas but potentially a game changer. it could be like when we introduced penicillin and it just changed the role of infectious disease in the world. but dr. fauci has been talking
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for decades, and recently i heard him talking about a functional cure. i think mrna vaccines are one tool. he and others often are getting excited about advances we are making broadly neutralizing antibodies and there's a number of things we need to a number of things we need to do, we need to keep investing and pushing and some of them will pay off. >> why do you think we have not yet either eradicated or beaten into submission hiv yet? in 2021, with all that we know, with dramatically increased acceptance for lbgtq people, why aren't we done with this yet? >> so it's a much harder virus, but it's not just the medical problem, it's a social problem. you know, you spoke of the agencies, we used talk about the h's, homosexual, heroin addicts and those with hemophilia and we're still dealing with that, and hiv is still highly
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stigmatized so it's not just about giving people treatment or giving people medicine to prevent hiv, it is about dealing with the marginalization and the stigmaization of lbgtq people and transpeople and people who use drugs and we need responses for these social crises as well as medical crises. >> i think we've coming a long way in the last few decades for sure particularly of the death of jonathan griffin who i'm thinking of today, he died of aids some years ago, and i remember the feeling at his memorial and how loving, and somber and slightly uncomfortable it was, just to even kind of have conversations about that kind of thing. it feels like we've come farther, civically in terms of talking about it, and governmentally, with president biden requires $670 million from congress which is up about a quarter of a billion from previous requests, how hopeful are you we are going to get this
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beaten and if we are, what is going to make the difference? is it funding and our ability to talk about it publicly? where is the linchpin as you see it? >> it's all of those things. our country and the world has a lot of problems and one of the situations is our response and covid is not exciting but we still need to keep investing in covid, and if we pull back we will see more hiv infections. we're already starting to see some infections from people who inject drugs but we're concerned that covid could cause us to pull back, if the funding declines and we don't keep increasing as necessary, we won't make the progress we've made. but i also think, in addition to the money, it's about the community, it's about, if we have to learn one thing about hiv, it is we have to talk to the community, so if, you know, black and latino gay and bisexual men are about 1% of the u.s. population and 40% of new hiv diagnoses, so we can't just respond as though everybody gets the same response.
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we need to work with people in those communities and really turn to them for their leadership to make a difference. we need to do similar things when we're talking to people who use drug, transgender people, to women, and community response, it is really critical to our past success and our future success. >> professor jeff crowley, i appreciate you making time to talk us to on this day. i do believe we are going to make aids history one day, the more that we talk about this and the more that we're honest about the lives of real people and how they can protect themselves. but for now, i appreciate your time. thanks very much. >> thank you so much. up next, it has been a year like none other for college students. wait until you hear what they heard at their commencements. oms e so you only pay for what you need? i mean it... uh-oh, sorry... oh... what? i'm an emu! no, buddy! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty. ♪
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you may remember a few weeks ago we talked about how commencement speakers are addressing this very intense year. the class of 2021 has been getting a lot of advice on moving forward. here are some of their words of wisdom. >> for what you have experienced as a result of the profound up-ending of your lives, by covid-19, is truly unprecedented. you are going to play an important role in shaping this new normal. perhaps it can even be a better normal. at this critical time in our history, our country and the
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world need your leadership. >> there are two things i'd like you to remember. one, you now know that you have what it takes to get through pretty much anything. so when you come up against an obstacle, when you experience a setback, and you will, we all do, remember the resilience that you showed this past year. the determination. remember that you have the strength to get through anything. two, you do not have to get through anything alone. >> i'm here to tell you your imaginations are plenty big enough for anything you can imagine, anything you can dream, anything you can desire. you are not guaranteed victory but you are guaranteed failure if you don't try.
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fear issen about the stopping. fear is about understanding. oons, you say when i ran from governor, i was afraid of losing, but fear isn't a reason not to try. fear is a reason to try harder. >> get used to saying your work is going to feel a large part of your life. and the only way to be truly satisfied is to do what you believe is great work. and the only way to do great work is to love what you do. if you haven't found it yet, keep looking. >> that's why i love commencement addresses, there are tons of inspiring words there. those are just some of the inspiring words that the class of 2021 got to hear this year. it is the top of the hour and so good to be with you tonight. donald trump is speaking to north carolina's republican leaders tonight. is this a sign of how involved he will be in the midterms and in 2024? plus, tom hanks opens up about racism in america and why
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it is important for white people to learn black history. and also, nba champion chris bosch is here, he was just elected to the 2021 basketball hall of fame class, we will explore his new book with advice for young athletes. >> from nbc news world headquarters in new york, i'm joshua johnson. welcome to "the week." kind of a busy saturday night for us because tonight former president trump is speaking in north carolina. for some folks it is a reminder of how deep the divisions in this country still are. >> the survival of america depends upon our ability to elect republicans at every level, starting with the mid-terms next year. we have to get it done. >> and we are still monitoring that speech now. meanwhile, nbc news obtained new audio of republican congresswoman liz cheney. she was ousted from her leadership position f


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