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this story at and this story. "the reidout" with joy reid starts now. hi, joy. >> i'm trying to figure out how you engineered this to be an all legal news summer. all legal news stories. i think you made this happen. >> it's >> it's a lot of law. good evening. this is one of those nights when you throw out planning because there's so much news and then there's more news and you throw out plan b. we are following a crush of breaking news tonight. it's not every day that a company belonging to a former president of the united states gets criminally charged especially when that former president built his entire miff and reputation around the company and nbc news is reporting that's exactly what's going to happen to donald trump's family business, probably tomorrow.
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also just two, two republicans voted with democrats today to investigate one of the worst security breaches in american history, the january 6th insurrection. the sad thing is, you can probably guess which two, they remain alone in their party. we begin "the reidout" tonight with the high-profile prosecutorial mishap that led to the shocking and unexpected release of bill cosby this afternoon, two years in his ten-year sentence for drugging and assaulting a woman walked free after pennsylvania's supreme court overturned the conviction because they ruled an agreement with a previous prosecutor prevented him from being charged. what the court described as an unconstitutional coercive bait-and-switch prosecutors said cosby wouldn't be charged so he could testify in his civil case. the court notes he did not invoke the fifth amendment before he incriminated himself because he was operating under
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the reasonable belief the d.a.'s decision not to prosecute him meant the exposure to criminal punishment no longer existed. his sworn testimony was used by d.a. castor's successors against cosby at his criminal trial. the district attorney bruce castor was one of donald trump's impeachment lawyers because the universe is collapsing before our eyes. the 2018 conviction was the first major conviction of the me too era but one of the most beloved figures in american culture. bill cosby was as he was once dubbed america's dad. the cosby show meant a lot to so many of us. it was a positive portrayal of an affluent black family at a time when most depictions of black people in american culture were poor working class families and the news was dominated with headlines about crime and the crack epidemic. his spokesman called his release
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"justice for black america." seriously? i don't know about that. but even though it was devastating to listen to, the accusations against cosby, some going as far back as the 1960s, were impossible to dismiss, more and more women came forward throughout the years with 60, 60 accusing of allegations ranging from groping to sexual assault to rape. "dateline" spoke with some of the women. >> how many of you believe you were drugged by bill cosby. how many of you believe bill cosby raped you? >> i was drugged and raped. >> i was sexually assaulted and drugged by him. >> he flipped me over and raped me. i know that i was drugged. >> and very quickly the room started spinning. >> and i was just holding my head because i didn't know what was happening and that was what was so terrifying. >> cosby's attorneys claim these things never happened.
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andrea constant was the only accuser that made it to trial with cosby convicted of three counts of indecent assault. she said today's majority decision regarding bill cosby is not only disappointing but of concern in that it may discourage for those who seek justice for sexual assault. cosby denied all allegations and says his conduct with constand was consensual and claimed "when i came up for parole, they're not going to hear me say that i have remorse." he celebrated his release in suburban philadelphia and in a radio interview framed it as a movement for social justice. >> this is it not just a black thing. this is for all the people who have been imprisoned wrongfully regardless of race, color, or creed. because i met them in there,
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people who talked about what happened and what they did. and i know there are many liars out there, but these people can't get lawyers. >> joining me now nbc news correspondent stephanie gosk outside of cosby's home in elkins park, pennsylvania. describe the scene there and what's the latest, stephanie. >> reporter: it was wild. i covered both the trials, the trial in 2017 where there was a hung jury and then the second trial, when they went back in and got the conviction and i must have said a half a dozen, a dozen times it's unlikely bill cosby will get out of prison. he was old and frail, and the sentence that he was given was going to be tough, but here he was today, at his home, a free man, his record is clean. he cannot be retried on these charges, and he came out with his long time spokesman andrew wyatt and they were celebrating.
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they were celebrating this decision. as you pointed out in your lead-in, there are a lot of women out there who accuse bill cosby of some form of sexual assault and it's a range of things from groping all the way to rape. a lot of those women were not able to bring or did not choose to bring criminal charges against bill cosby and the statute of limitations simply expired, and they looked at this case, andrea constand's accusation and charges and the conviction as their justice and in their minds that justice has been rolled back. as the district attorney who brought those charges said today, cosby was convicted by a jury but he was let go on a procedural issue, and he echoed andrea constand's comments he hopes the decision that was made today isn't going to have an impact on women who are sexually assaulted and deter them potentially from coming forward. joy? >> it's hard to imagine it not doing so.
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stephanie gosk, thank you very much. appreciate your coverage. joining me is heidi thomas who accused cosby of sexual assault and chris tin gibbons fedden, former special prosecutor in the cosby case and msnbc legal analyst. ms. thomas, i have to get your reaction to this pretty shocking development today. >> yes. it's a gut punch. >> were you, was there any warning given to you, any of the other victims, did you get a warning this was coming? any idea? >> none, none. in fact, we were contacted within the last two to three weeks by the parole board. he was refused -- and the victims advocate office reaches out to us ahead of time to let us know that's up for parole. he has never as he's made very clear, he never has admitted that he did anything wrong and
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he has not taken part in any kind of assault program, sexual offender program and of course, his lawyers starting yelling "appeal" the minute the guilty verdict came through. of course that happens. >> can you talk about what happened to you? >> sure. what part do you want to know? >> how did you meet bill cosby? you don't have to go through every detail but what happened to you, that you feel he should be prosecuted for, in your case? >> well, i mean i can certainly tell you, i was 24 years old. i was sent to him by my agent in denver, my airline ticket, my hotel room were all paid for by the agency to go to him in reno, nevada, where he was playing and supposedly i was going to be getting acting coaching, and
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this was arranged through the agent supposedly to promising young talent. i was not taken to the hotel where i had a reservation. i was taken to a ranch house outside of reno somewhere, this was before cell phones. i had no idea where he was, and i was sexually assaulted and raped at that ranch house. at the time, not being able to remember four days of being there, i in retrospect figured it was my own brain and my own psyche trying to protect me, so i didn't try to remember anything. it was 30 years of recognizing that if i had gone forward, i would have been let go for from my agency, my career would have been over, so going forward was,
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it was pointless. no one was going to believe me, and i would have lost my job, and 30 years later, i started hearing people, these women saying they were drugged, and i thought, oh, i bet that's what happened. so that's kind of my story. i think you know, the fact is, this was andrea constand's case, and the fact that there were over -- there were 60 of us that could back her up. >> yes. >> you know, i just -- it's, it floors me. >> it's unimaginable. i need to get kristen gibbons fedden in. how could it be this prosecutor who, the weirdest, it's weird enough he was trump's lawyer to an impeachment, somebody serially accused of sexual, everything from sexual
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harassment to all the way up to a case of rape by e. gin carroll. how did this go wrong? >> great question. >> honestly i totally respect our esteemed chair in pennsylvania but when you say how did this go wrong? my version of the facts as well as kevin steele's and the way our team worked we don't believe there was any statement or promise made to begin with and we proved that at the early stages of the pretrial hearing. the common police court found there was no agreement, no promise made and in addition to that, joy, the superior court of pennsylvania also agreed with our finding. the other thing i wanted to highlight is that not only do we believe there was no prosecutorial agreement made but generally, if one is to be made, you see these in homicides allowing one witness to testify
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against one another. this is not what bruce castor is saying. he made a promise not to prosecute someone to go the civil realm. i've never heard that happening in my entire legal career. he was represented by competent counsel. don't you think that would have been in writing and approved by a court in the normal course and throw in the facts, joy, after he allegedly made this promise, he issues out a press release which i understand and respect the judge's release he makes very clear in that press release, i will revisit the decision if the need arises. >> right. >> so we don't believe we made any missteps. i respectfully disagree with the justice's opinion here today, but i think as heidi pointed out and it's so great to see you, heidi, you are amazing. heidi was one of the courageous women who testified in the second trial, but as heidi pointed out, that jury, this may
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take away the conviction but it will never take away those three words that 12 of cosby's peers and 12 of andrea's peers said to cosby that day in court, they said guilty, guilty, guilty, and while the guilty no longer stands the factual finding behind it still does, that factual finding is that when he administered those intoxicants to andrea constand rendering her incapable of consent he sexually assaulted her and that will be forever known by this country. >> heidi, i want to give you the last word here. what do you think should happen now? he's already on the radio doing an interview. what do you think happens now? >> which is -- he's an attention grabber which is hilarious. everybody said that's what all of us are. we want our 15 minutes of fame. all he wants is to be back in the spotlight, so we've played right into everything he wanted.
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i think this goes back years. i don't imagine anybody's going to want to go through this kind of pain, this kind of work. the work that -- we called the district attorney's office the dream team, so thank you, sweetie. it's great to see you, too. i can't imagine anybody wanting to go through all of this if it can be turned over when there's absolutely no legal proof there was ever an agreement. what the heck did we all do? we were sucker punched. >> it's pretty unimaginable. i appreciate you coming forward and i appreciate you using your voice. i appreciate you heidi thomas as well as kristen gibbons feden. joining us is chris witherspoon of "pop viewers." i don't know if you heard the ladies the passion in their voices. it was an earthquake when bill
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cosby was convicted the first time. i know you covered it. what do you make of the fact that he not only walks away from this case but is already doing radio interviews and is declaring himself triumphant and his lawyer, his publicist tried to call it a victory for black america. what? >> no, i'm absolutely shocked first off, joy. i remember being on your show in 2015 on your daytime show and it was an earthquake to your point. as you mentioned earlier, he was america's dad. you can't ask a black person in this country to describe a moment from their childhood that might not involve bill cosby, if you're under the age of 40, because he had two shows on tv that were huge shows and i get how him and his legal defense team and publicist and his managers might want to somehow salvage his legacy but i got to say after you look at 60 accusers, 60 women and the stories that we've heard over the past six years, this is 2015 from not just white women but black women.
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beverly johnson who came forward, had so much to risk by standing in her truth and telling her story, and the backlash she got from the black community for doing so, it just seems foolish and it seems incentive for his team to state that now. >> here are some of the statements. one of the aus coupers is completely out of breath. kate snow said it was out of the blue. victoria valentino, a gut punch. what does it say about women's worth and carroll who accused donald trump of rape, this is why women don't come forward and phylicia rashad. >> yes. >> who co-starred as claire huxtable on the cosby show the extra mom tweets "finally a terrible wrong is being righted a miscarriage of justice is corrected" and later tweeted she fully supports survivors of sexual assault. my god, what is happening? explain.
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>> listen, i was shocked when i saw that tweet, first off, let me just say phylicia rashad is a legend. >> she is. >> deserves all the nice thing but as a journalist, in 2015 i remember interviewing her about a project she was doing and a couple years later for another project. cosby has been the elephant in the room, the monkey on the back. he's been the thing that is really i think in so many ways hurt people like phylicia rashad and malcolm-jamal warner's career moving forward. publicists will walk over to you in the room and say you cannot bring up bill cosby and in many ways one could argue that they were guilty by association because of what has happened. so i think in many ways this is a day for her to feel liberated and be able to decompress and not have to think about cosby. >> i wish we could all be there but we can't. this has taken over our news. it's our "a" block not intended to be, but here we are. chris witherspoon, thank you. i appreciate you being here.
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coming up next on "the reidout," more breaking news, more. we're hours away from expected criminal charges against the trump organization, the unprecedented legal jeopardy facing a former american president and it could be the first domino to fall. plus the sedition caucus strikes again. defending the confederate traders who launched america's first insurrection and voting almost to a man and woman against an investigation into the second one, the deadly siege of the u.s. capitol january 6th. what do you call a politician who sells her state's national guard troops to billionaire political donor? we'll call it the "the reidout," tease after this. and here. which is why the scientific expertise that helps operating rooms stay clean now helps the places you go too. look for the ecolab science certified seal. i'm greg, i'm 68 years old.
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tomorrow. that may include long awaited charges against allen weisselberg, the cfo. while this will mark the first criminal indictment of the trump organization it's faced allegations of wrongdoing for years, fraud, discrimination, falsifying records and money laundering. trump's lawyer says the only charges to drop tomorrow will be related to the failures to pay taxes on corporate benefits like the free apartment and tuition they reportedly gave to weisselberg's family. for days he downplaid the charges. tax crimes are nothing to sneeze at. it was tax evasion charges that finally took down one of this country's most notorious criminals al capone. investigators knew he was behind the violent bootlegging racquet out of chicago and responsible for countless murders including the st. valentine's day massacre
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that left seven dead. they could prove tax evasion, he was convicted and sentenced to a decade in prison. to take the mafia analogy back to trump, one of the things that we know is it would not be out of character for trump to cheat on his taxes. he bragged about it saying he was smart. trump and his family started with his father fred trump, a decade's long history of evaing income taxes and gifted estate taxes and getting away with it. trmpb trmp is accused of concealing tens of millions from the government he'd go on to lead. joining me is barbara mcquaid and richard sinarelli.
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the trump lawyer is trying to downplay charges related to tax evasion on gifts and benefits. is that accurate to say those are not super significant legally speaking? >> i would take with a grain of salt any information from a defense attorney. second of all, tax evasion is very serious and i have a feeling we're talking about many years of tax evasion, fringe benefits and bonuses probably totalling millions of dollars. in and of itself it's serious and it could result in significant penalties, financial and also incarceration. it is something to be taken seriously. i know ron. i think he's to be his best to play the media situation for his
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client, probably told to do that by his client. i'm disappointed he's to be this but we will find out what the charges are tomorrow and i have a feeling we should all expect the unexpected to a certain extent. >> barbara, the fact that the grand jury is operating through november, is that an indication there's more to come? when people see mr. weisselberg who apparently is not cooperating, maybe he gets charged, there is still the question of what about trump. he may be on the line or maybe the company itself if they're not indicted tomorrow. >> it's a very safe possibility that there could be more charges to come, joy. often prosecutors will dlip rattly hold back some of the charges. so they can use it as leverage to indecember some cooperation from some of the defendants, additional charges against allen weisselberg or charges against his son or other people in the
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organization. there's a real possibility this first indictment won't be the last. you often hear the term superseding indictment. prosecutors add charges as they continue to investigate cases. >> i ask that question. there is this history in the media covering donald trump for the last four years. lots and lots of his associates get charged with crimes. michael flynn, george papadopoulos, paul manafort, rick gates, steve bannon and rudy giuliani, allen weisselberg, matthew calamari. donald trump when is he named off the record or in the indictment not by name as he was in michael cohen's case, he seems to skate. everyone around him pays for the things that benefit him. michael cohen wasn't paying
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money to this former exotic film star. he gets incarcerated and indicted and do you think at some point prosecutors will stand up to trump himself? >> i think they have to. he's continuing to do damage to our democracy. he has millions of people at his beck and call who believe every word he says. he is probably the biggest danger this country has to our democracy, the only way to deal with them is in a court of law by bringing criminal charges based on the facts and the evidence, the stormy daniels situation really gets my goat because michael cohen was convicted of that, served time in prison and the mastermind of a stormy daniels payoff, a
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person who funded it and benefited from it is right now getting off scott free so far. he can still be charged. he should be charged. it's still within the statute of limitations. the public is losing confidence in the criminal justice system. the ring leader of a conspiracy like that, that was a serious conspiracy. it could have affected the 2016 election and all the nagt mare that followed that election with donald trump, incompetent that he is as our president, and so this was a very serious crime and why my old office is not pursuing it, i don't understand it. they've got full corroboration. they've got a tape, multiple witnesses, not just michael cohen. they've got documents, a document trail, emails. this was done in a very well thought out planned way and it
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should be prosecuted. donald trump should be indicted for that along with many other things. >> the question is whether there is undue deference paid to donald trump because he was president. that's what worries a lot of people. people are willing to indict lower level people who worked for him, but not him. >> i hope that that's not the case, joy. we say no one is above the law. when someone is in a position as president that doj policy and some argument that the separation of powers preclude a charge against the president. i hope any deference was there before is gone. the way michael cohen described it, donald trump has learned how to operate like a mob boss. he's very careful to avoid saying things that can bring a case back to him. he uses innuendo and says you know what i want to happen after expressing it.
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that creates challenges in proving he had the requisite criminal intent. if prosecutors identify donald trump as individual one who cooperated and directed the stormy daniels matter, then i agree with richard it seems they have sufficient evidence to charge him. i think more charges are possible >> mr. weisselberg and calamari should note donald trump will not go down for them. they might consider whether they want to go down for him and his family. with charges expected tomorrow, the procuter also smash the mirrors. the reality behind trump's being by the business man next on "the reidout." raise the jar to all five layers. raise the jar to the best gelato... you've ever tasted. talenti. raise the jar. (realtor) the previous owners left in a hurry, so the house comes with everything you see. .
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joining me now is barbara rezz, former executive vice president of the trump author and author of "tower of lies. . what my 18 years of working with donald trump reveals about him." first question is tony schwarz has revealed he did write or co-write "the art of the deal" he mainly wrote it and talks about how all of the idea of trump as a successful businessman was mostly mythological, it wasn't real. what was real? what was the business -- the business operation that you worked in, did it have
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substantial finances and to your knowledge, did it pay taxes? >> back when i was working there, the financial resources were trump is one thing and partners in both of the deals that i did initially when i was there, and the financing came through them. as far as the trump organization was concerned it was a haphazard thing, as if it was thrown together. people did and didn't know what they were supposed to do. trump divided people and took hem from getting together and he ran is it like an organizational chart with his name on the top line and everybody else underneath. that's how it was run. >> this is donald trump in 2016 bragging about avoiding taxes. here he is. >> this man and real estate developer i legally used the tax
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laws to my benefit, i have brilliantly used those laws. >> is it reasonable for you knowing and working for donald trump to believe he would have been unaware of what mr. weisselberg and mr. calamari were doing regarding the taxation payments of taxes? >> absolutely not. trump was aware of any major thing that went on in the company. not hiring of people or paying bills and things like that but if you were talking about making decision about giving away valuable things, to employees or making a decision about reporting your value of your properties, one thing for taxing it and another thing to insurance, that didn't just happen. trump approved that. >> what about this idea of giving fringe benefits? in your view, what was the purpose of handing out so many really expensive fringe benefits to the point where they would even need to be taxed? >> for one thing, it kept
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salaries down, so he could say that he's paying so much money but instead he's giving away all these valuable things because you look at what they say, weisselberg made and how he lives, there's something wrong with that. trump wants to garner loyalty and when he gives you something, he thinks it's going to make you more loyal to him. for one thing he can take away, that's especially true when he talks about employing your children. >> yes. >> this is all for loyalty. >> and that really rings true in the interviewing mary trump, she talked about the family living almost for free in his properties but essentially being sort of rich poor where he wouldn't give them any money. you can live here for free and can always take that away from you. do you believe knowing these people that mr. weisselberg or mr. calamari are willing to go to prison for trmp interest were? >> i can't imagine they'd go to
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prison. calamari said would you care for me he said yes. these were normal people, not paul manaforts or rick or roger stones, not rick, sorry, they were regular people, and i know they've changed. power corrupts and money corrupts but i can't see them going to jail and i cannot see ever, ever, ever letting a child take the fall. that won't happen. >> barbara res, thank you very much. appreciate you being here this evening. democrats and two republicans, all the democrats and two republicans voted to create a select committee to investigate the january 6th attack on our capitol while the vast majority of house republicans the 190 who voted to show up anyway voted against it. i would like to know that they did this gleefully under the eyes of u.s. capitol police officer harry dunn, metropolitan
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police officers and gladys sicknick and sandra garza mother and partner of brian sicknick. blue lives don't matter to the crowd after all. today's movement represents fealty. house republicans to affirm the sedition refusing to move statues of confederate traders if in the capitol. today 90% of the republicans banded together to vote against the select committee. if you had any doubt of how willing the party is to wrap its arms around extremism look at the utter silence from gop leadership on arizona congressman paul gosar planning a fund-raiser with an open and proud whitalist. joining me is congressman and former impeachment manager eric
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swalwell author of "endgame" and sandra garza, long time partner of officer brian sicknick. normally i give deference to the congressman, forgive me, miss garza first. how did it feel to watch only two republicans vote to investigate at tack that took brian sicknick from you? >> joy, it was like a knife to my heart. it really was. it was a travesty and i think it really speaks to the fact that there are only two republicans that have a backbone and that care about this country, democracy as a whole, and all of law enforcement who bravely fought for them all that day. it really, really upsets me and of course, it's a spit in the face to my brian, which really, really upsets me. >> is his mom okay, after having witnessed that today? >> she was very upset, too. i mean, it's hard to listen to.
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it was hard listening to, you know, we listened to some of the debate before the vote, and you know, to hear their excuses as to why they don't want to support the vote, you know, it's very upsetting, but you know, we're both survivors. we got through it and we're going to continue to fight and speak up against this ridiculousness. >> you're both clearly fighters, i definitely have seen that. representative swalwell, so we are where we are, only two republicans voted to do the right thing here today. should those be the two republicans that speaker pelosi puts on the commission? i can't imagine picking any others. >> i'll leave that to speaker pelosi. i certainly think they would be responsible members of the commission. joy, today i stood with sandra and ms. sicknick in the gallery to watch the vote and it was hard, frankly, and sandra will
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tell you that look, i've been in washington now for nine years. it's easy to get jaded and to be pessimistic about washington finding the courage to do the right thing but it really struck me to see metropolitan and capitol hill police officers and the sicknick family look at the big board of members and as one of them remarked, why are there so many names in red? names in red because on the board, those are the names that are voting no, and again, i expected that. we knew that was going to happen, but to see everyday american heroes who defended the capitol that day just look in shock and horror that people would be voting against investigating the biggest crime against democracy and the biggest crime against law enforcement, it really hurts and i saw the hurt and i don't ever want to see that again. >> for people who are not familiar with the way the capitol works, congressman, are there capitol police officers guarding the room when you guys vote?
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>> yes, joy, they guard the room. they guard the perimeter of the capitol. they patrol the area around the capitol. members of congress are among the safest people in the world because of the bravery of people like officer sicknick and the people who stood in the gallery today see republican members either vote against it or worse, joy, go down to the border today for border theater so that they had a convenient alibi why they didn't have to take a position on the select committee. it was outrageous. >> sandra, do you expect to see these officers showing up at blue lives matter events? that's what the playbook is. they will say they support police. if one of the members who voted against this commission today shows up and says they support police, what will be your response? >> it was all -- >> go ahead. >> okay. so, yeah, it's phony. it's a lie.
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it's not true. supporting law enforcement would have been voting yes today. it would have been voting yes for the original 9/11 style commission. there really is no excuse for them to have voted no, the first time. republicans pretty much got everything they asked for. i heard speaker pelosi today on the floor say that she negotiated with them, gave them pretty much everything that they had asked and still they voted no. you know, i mean, it's terrible what they're doing to law enforcement, particularly as congressman swalwell said, capitol police, they are there every day protecting them. it's horrific what they're doing to them. it's not right. to say they support law enforcement is a joke. >> congressman, it's metro police as well, right, who had to come in and back up capitol police, people who came in and
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tried to save them. i want to ask you about the sort of dual screen that's in my head of these republicans refusing to support just investigating what happened in this horrifying attack on our capitol, but not saying anything about the old-fashion confederate because he is paling around with white nationalists who don't hide it. he would interviewed his brother who called him a white supremacist. what is happening on the other side of the aisle? >> this is a party that kevin mccarthy leads that is pro-slavery. a majority of the members voted to keep the confederate monuments instead of siding with the police, they're rolling with the cop killers. instead of standing up to end gun violence prevention -- instead of standing up to end gun violence with prevention, they are supporting mass shooters like the shooter over last summer who they are raising
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money for and holding up high. it's really wildly out of touch with everyday americans. what it reflects, as you pointed out, they have held themselves out as blue lives matter members of congress. when the rubber meets the road, to honor donald trump, they have chosen to dishonor the police. they are dishonoring the military, because now you wonder, was their support phony? did they use it for law enforcement to weaponize it but when they had to choose between donald trump and police and military, they showed their true colors and they weren't blue. >> yeah. as the god sister of a retired police officer, i will say, thank you in departure to brian sicknick for doing the right thing and showing what great police officers look like. that is what we want. that is what we support. always a pleasure and always an
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now, that's making a difference. welcome back. normally, this is where we would do our absolute worst. we have breaking news. "the washington post" reported a grand jury in manhattan filed criminal indictments wednesday against donald trump's company and its chief financial officer, according to two people familiar with the indictments.
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i believe we have -- david, do we have you? >> i'm here. >> give us the details. what's going on? >> the indictments we have been waiting for have been filed. the grand jury voted. we won't see the indictment until tomorrow. we know they are in the system. allen weisselberg has been criminally charged as a result of the investigation. trump's organization has been charged also. we believe -- we believe they have something to do with taxes. the trump organization allegedly didn't pay proper taxes on benefits given to corporate executives. >> is there a sense the grand jury is completing its work or that this is just one part of a grand jury situation? we know they are allowed to be empanelled through november. >> what we understand, this is not the end. it's the beginning. what we understand is these
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are -- the grand jury -- the investigations have looked at a wide range of transactions the trump organization is involved in. we don't have any sign they are done. allen weisselberg would be an important witness against donald trump. prosecutors think he would be. they may be filing against him first in the hopes he will feel the pressure and become a witness against his boss. >> we are understand now weisselberg is poised to turn himself in. >> it should happen tomorrow morning, possibly early, at the manhattan criminal courthouse. i don't believe he will be arraigned until maybe the early afternoon, after lunch. he will probably turn himself in early in the morning. >> based on your reporting on donald trump's assets and the way his company operated over the years, what does it tell you the company is being indicted? >> well, it certainly means they believe -- prosecutors believe they have evidence of something beyond one bad executive
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enriching himself. they believe they found a pattern. it's not just weisselberg, it's the company acting this way. they allowed them to seek charges for falsifying documents, if they are charging he is covering up what the trump organization did. the inclusion of the trump organization as a corporate defendant to me signals they think there's a pattern here. >> david, the best reporter on this issue, thank you. tonight on "all in," -- >> we will be judged by future generations as to how we value our democracy. >> as republicans keep trying to find non-existence evidence for a stolen election, how a ballot debacle in new york and a fraud in north carolina disproves their whole point. tonight, congressman clyburn on the need for federal protections of american democracy. i think everyone in this country has been looking for
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