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appropriate testing strategies and tests are available. something we need to talk more about, i am a psychiatrist, i like the surface elephants in the room, unfortunately we're seeing vaccine cards that are fake or fraudulent and we will probably see that in other areas. it is important to make sure that our tests are verified and validated and the administration will have to figure that out about vaccines. >> all right. what an important field. i would love to talk more about that, thank you for being with us as always. great to have you here. thank you for your reporting. that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up coverage right now.
hi there. i am stephanie ruhle. it is thursday, august 5th. this morning, we're following several big stories. new york governor andrew cuomo running out of time and options, facing new calls to resign as state lawmakers say the other option is impeachment. major push to vaccinate the nation continues. 30 health officials from the last four administrations writing a letter to corporate america, urging companies to mandate the vaccine. we talk to one of the officials behind that letter. and new legal fight, less than 24 hours after the biden administration issued a new ban on evictions, a group of landlords, realtors filed a lawsuit challenging the move. we have got to start with a dramatic new weapon in the fight against delta variants. a white house official telling nbc news the biden administration is developing a plan to require foreign visitors to the united states be fully
vaccinated against covid-19 when travel restrictions are lifted. current restrictions are in place for several countries because of concerns about the delta variant. "new york times" reporting the defense secretary is considering whether to recommend that president biden make covid vaccinations mandatory for the 1.3 million active duty troops. the decision is expected in coming days. and moderna announced its booster shot improved protection against the delta variant, while in florida, some school districts are pushing ahead with mask mandates defying a threat by ron desantis to cut funding if they do so. new jersey governor phil murphy interrupted by anti-vaccine hecklers yesterday, i want to share how he responded. >> these folks back there, you've lost your minds. you are the ultimate knuckleheads, because of what
you're saying and standing for, people are losing their life. people are losing their life. you have to know that. look in the mirror. >> and a disturbing milestone. coronavirus cases around the world surpassing 200 million. cases rising in a third of the world's countries. i have an incredible team following the biggest developments. shaq, the surge in new cases have first responders in missouri scrambling. i know you spent time with them. what did you learn? >> reporter: we often think of doctors and nurses when we talk about the surge in hospitalizations in hot spot areas. here in springfield it is often firefighters that are first to encounter people before they officially become patients. i spent time with them yesterday. see a glimpse of what they're
experiencing. >> all right. what just happened? >> she was having significant trouble breathing, o 2 sats are low. >> our community is still in crisis. this is what i consider mass casualty event. we continue to be overwhelmed with sick and sicker patients than we've seen before. it is a virus and it is spreading rapidly, particularly amongst unvaccinated. keeps me awake at night. >> reporter: you see from the clip there that the firefighters arrive first, then ems and
ambulance that transports patients to the hospital. mercy medical center, one of the hospitals overrun in springfield said the average age of those infected with the virus is now 37 years old. stephanie? >> the average age, 37 years old. katie, take us to atlanta. it is first day of public school. normally this is a day kids are showing off new sneakers and lunch boxes. right now, it is all about safety. what's the plan? >> reporter: that's right, stephanie. students are showing up with masks, they'll be required to wear them in the classroom for atlanta metro area. ten miles from here, masks are optional. then the georgia governor says he is opposed to wearing masks indoors. there's mixed messaging. as far as atlanta public schools are concerned, students are going to be required to mask up inside. and that isn't putting a damper on the day.
students and families said they haven't seen each other in 18 months. to be returning to in person education is being seen as a victory. there's lots of excitement headed into the classroom, despite that little ones were wearing masks and their parents as well. the superintendent saying only 58 to 59% of the staff inside atlanta public schools have the vaccines at this point. she's optimistic, hopeful that numbers will increase as the school year begins. they have contingency plans in place should there be outbreaks. she's going to keep everyone in person and safe as long as possible. we interviewed one parent on her way in who was an er doctor. here's what she had to say about the masks. >> it is an absolute necessity. being a front line er dock, it is a necessity. >> do you feel good about them
going back? >> definitely reservation. would have kept them home, i would have, but given our professions, we can't. >> reporter: that's the sentiment of most parents we spoke to. there's a sense of risk heading to the classroom, knowing there could be outbreaks and the delta variant is extremely contagious. parents overall very excited to send kids to school today wearing a mask. steph? >> 72,000 kids tested positive, almost double the week before. disturbing when you look at that number. how sick are the kids getting? >> reporter: it is important for people to understand the delta variant is truly different. it arrives, it reaches levels of virus in the throat and nose much higher than we saw with early strains during the pandemic. that means it can be a bigger threat to children. we're seeing more children end
up in the hospital, ending up in icus, and we still don't know if children might be able to transmit the delta variant more effectively onwards as was the case with earlier strains. this could be a real threat for children's health. >> dr. gounder, moderna said its vaccine booster produced stronger immune response against the delta variant. a lot of people are excited about that. at the same time, world health organization is calling for a halt to all booster shots to address the shortfall in vaccine supplies across the world, specifically to poor nations. what do you think of that? >> i really agree with the doctor from world health organization calling for a moratorium. it speaks to lack of understanding of how vaccines work. this is not just a humanitarian plea. vaccines work best when populations are vaccinated. me, for example, i am more than
six months out from my two doses of covid vaccine. i will be better protected if more people in my community get vaccinated than if i get extra doses. we need to double down vaccinating people here and around the world. >> dr. gounder, because we see increased cases, we see increased testing. unfortunately with new testing, delay in getting responses is getting longer and longer. why haven't we figured this out yet? >> part of the issue, stephanie, is there have been dramatic fluctuations in how much people are getting tested. for example, if you work in a lab, staffing levels are unpredictable as a result. to scale up, scale down staffing levels, scale up, scale down your supply chains and all the things that go into getting people tested, that has made it
difficult to consistently offer higher volume of testing. >> here's what i'm worried about. dr. fauci said if more people do not get vaccinated, there's a risk of vaccine hesitant variants popping up. right now, people like you and i are vaccinated. we're thinking we're in the clear if we get it, we're not going to get very sick. is that not the case? >> i want to be clear the vaccines are highly safe and effective, even for those of us that have been vaccinated, we are very well protected against the delta variant, we're not going to end up with severe disease, hospitalization, or death. i think what dr. fauci is speaking to is the fact that we've seen the real risk of having the virus run through populations, particularly unvaccinated populations. we saw the delta variant emerge in india, a highly unvaccinated population, now a threat to all of us in the united states.
we have seen the lamda variant that emerged from peru, may be a bigger threat than the delta variant. the best way to protect is get people not yet vaccinated vaccinated as soon as possible. >> as soon as possible. thank you all so much. i appreciate you joining us this morning. coming up. a new letter from 30 health officials across the last four administrations urging corporate america to mandate the vaccine. will companies listen. spirit airlines cancelling more than a thousand flights since sunday, leaving thousands of passengers stranded. what in the world is behind the chaos? first, chaos in new york. more calls for new york governor andrew cuomo to resign as majority of state assembly members say if he doesn't resign, they're going to impeach him. mpeach him. the journey is why they ride. when the road is all you need, there is no destination.
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as we speak, new york governor andrew cuomo is on a political island as calls get louder and louder for him to resign or face impeachment over findings in the new york attorney general investigation of what the report says are instances of sexual harassment involving a total of 11 women. this morning, editorials in a half dozen papers are calling for him to quit and that's just the tip of the iceberg. a poll overnight found nearly 60% of new yorkers want cuomo out too. kate snow has more. >> reporter: this morning, it appears andrew cuomo's options may be running out as new york state democrats issue a stark warning for the governor, resign now or impeachment is inevitable. >> make no mistake, if he does not step down immediately, the legislature is prepared to move forward and votes are there comfortably for impeachment. >> reporter: long time cuomo loyalist, head of the new york democratic party urging him to step aside, saying the party and
this state will not be served by a long, protracted removal process. if state assembly draws up articles of impeachment, cuomo would have to step aside during a trial in state senate, something that hasn't happened there in over a century. >> i called for the governor to resign because i do believe that we need to put this behind us and move forward in order to take care of new yorkers and new york. >> reporter: governors in neighboring states that once partnered to combat coronavirus now say it is over. >> appalled by the treatment women had to put up with, the governor has to resign. >> somebody in my administration had done that, they wouldn't be in my administration any more. >> reporter: the three-term governor is facing legal action, with a 165 page report from the state attorney general laying out dozens of allegations from unwanted physical contact to inappropriate and harassing comments. at least four county district
attorneys in new york where the incidents took place are asking the ag for documents. a lawyer for lindsey boylan said her family plans to file a civil suit against cuomo and advisers for allegedly retaliating against her after she went public. what does lindsey want out of filing suit? >> she wants to file the lawsuit so other survivors understand there's a path forward. she wants other survivors to know that this kind of retaliatory behavior is not okay. >> cuomo has repeatedly denied he ever touched anyone inappropriately and apologized for making anyone feel uncomfortable, but could face civil suits and criminal charges. we have a politics reporter from new york one that's been all over this, and dan goldman, assistant district attorney for district of new york. gloria, this time last year, cuomo was busy writing a book how he led new york and beat
covid. clearly he is in a different place this year. what is he thinking now? >> i think he is thinking he wants to fight. it is very clear from the little we heard from the governor so far that he wants to put up a fight, when he released that video statement when the report was first released, he was trying to defend himself and making the case i think to the public that he believes he should be able to defend himself, explain himself. he apologized to some of the women that accused him, and he has been trying to excuse all this as a misunderstanding, misread intentions. i think it is needless to say there's plenty of evidence that the attorney general put in the report that this went far beyond misrepresented intentions by the governor. >> dan, it is always good to see you. i haven't seen you in a long time. unfortunately when you're here,
it means somebody is in trouble. the governor does not resign and is impeached, he has to step down during a trial. can you explain the process? >> right. different from federal impeachment and impeachment of donald trump, during a senate trial, new york law requires that the governor step aside and the lieutenant governor takes on the role of chief executive, which is interesting because in new york now, it is clear both state assembly and state senate have votes to impeach him. what's interesting is once he steps aside, it is difficult to retake the role of governor, even if somehow he is not removed from office. but frankly, i don't think it is going to get there. i think if he recognizes votes are there to impeach him, he will resign and he should resign. >> dan, nbc news has reporting
that cy vansasked for referrals. does that mean he could see criminal charges? >> there are four county district attorneys that requested information related to conduct that occurred in their jurisdiction. they will evaluate the evidence and they'll see whether it rises to the level of criminal charges, but one thing i would caution in new york, only laws that are applicable are misdemeanor laws, still crimes, but not felonies we often talk about on cable news related to the mueller report or other significant federal investigations. i think everyone should remember proving a criminal case is forceable touching or harassment is very difficult. the reason why governor cuomo sits in a different place today than he did before the attorney
general report is prior to the report, we were aware of only one instance where there was allegations of physical touching. we now are aware of three, and one in particular against the state trooper demonstrated a pattern of inappropriate physical touching. that places him in a very different situation than other women who may have interpreted their boss' advancements to be harassment. now we get into the world of physical touching, it starts to border on the question of whether it is a provable case of forcible touching and whether he might be charged. i still think that his biggest risk is one, impeachment, and two, civil suits lindsey boylan as you mentioned is going to file a civil suit. i would expect a number of other victims to do the same. >> gloria, is there anybody
coming to his defense now? >> i think that's the other big part of this story, stephanie. we cannot overstress how important it is, how striking it is that many of cuomo's closest allies are not backing him. there was at least a handful of people a couple months ago willing to go public to say hey, we should slow down, at least wait until the report comes out. we should wait for due process. those people are not coming out now. the unions who have been some of his most reliable supporters in the city have abandoned him. leaders of all of the unions said it is time for the governor to step down. as you mentioned top of the segment in that report, jay jacobs, leader of new york state democratic party, a man who was handpicked for that job by governor cuomo has gone public to say he advised the governor to step down and the governor
was not listening to his advice. for these allies to come forward, to go public about what they think the governor should do next is really striking. these are some people that stood by him over and over, people he counted on over the years when he has been under some sort of crisis or under some sort of attack. remember, it was months ago the allegations first came out, and there were many people that jumped and said the governor should resign based on allegations alone. the governor sort of took a step back, he retreated away from reporters, tried to make a come back the last couple months. we're not seeing that now. >> dan, i know we're out of time. you brought up the mueller report and i can't resist. we hear over and over, we're about to see trump's taxes. i am not going to believe it until they're in my hand. do you think we're going to get
them? >> i don't know. i think ultimately ways and means committee of the house will get them. it may take a little while given trump has come up with another fansful agreement to keep them from getting to the committee, then there's the question of whether they'll be released. they'll be under pressure to do so, but that would be out of the norm for a committee to release private tax returns. i think at the end of the day, we will eventually see them, certainly "new york times" expose' last year revealed a lot about them. i think the bigger story is that trump is so desperately trying to keep the public from seeing his taxes. it is truly remarkable at this point the lengths to which he is going to do that and it begs the question, what is he hiding.
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challenge from landlords and real estate groups that argue the administration doesn't have legal authority to do it. it is putting more pressure on renters and landlords as they try to figure out what's ahead. she appeared in court to fight eviction over a lease violation. >> my house situation is not good. me and my son have been washing with cold water over a month now. >> she said the landlord shut off utilities, wants her out. she lost her job during the pandemic, is among the estimated 6.9 million households behind on rent. she hopes the new moratorium which extends until october 3rd helps keep her in her home. >> if i get locked out, i don't have nowhere to go. >> she applied for rental assistance but so far hasn't received any and is far from alone. according to nbc news investigation, of billions provided by congress for emergency rental assistance, as of mid july, 26 states distributed less than 10% of the
money allocated to them. landlords like stacy johnson cosby need the money, too. >> are you not getting the money? >> it is coming slowly. there are some people, if you can find where to apply, how to apply, because the process is cumbersome. once it is applied, four to six week turnaround to find out if a case worker has been assigned. >> the cdc moratorium is designed to allow more time for that distribution and the biden administration is pushing for states to simplify the application process. i want to bring in stacy johnson cosby, she's a landlord in kansas city, member of national housing provider coalition. also julian castro, former secretary for housing and urban development under president obama. it is obvious, easy to see howie convictions would hurt renters. can you explain how landlords not getting paid month after
month, how it can hurt you, you db foreclosed on. you're not a big corporation. >> right. what people miss in the story is that we are just like tenants. most housing providers work full-time job and they were impacted by the moratorium as well. when you have a situation where i have your retirement set with real estate, that's used as a retirement strategy, you expect rental payments to make your mortgage payments, to maintain the property, and government steps in and not only tells us we can't do that but demands we give our product away for free. you do not see that with any other industry. while they shut the economy down, burden is on the back of the housing provider to house fellow citizens free of charge and that's not only not fair, it is not constitutional and it is not sustainable. >> second castro. to the point of sustainability,
seems like many lawmakers are saying we need to have heart and they want to extend this indefinitely, but it doesn't solve anything. we can't offer free housing. >> i don't think it is about extending the moratorium indefinitely, it was extended 60 days. there's a compelling reason for this, we're not in the clear. the coronavirus is surging in so many places, we have seen news about florida, last night on my cell phone, got a public health alert saying risk of covid spread is severe here in san antonio area where i and my family live. we see economic uncertainty out there. i completely agree it is not only about renters, it is also about land lords. you do have folks that own a single family home, a duplex,
four-plex, you have big corporations that don't allow units, you have individuals that may have no mortgage on the property they're renting out. that's why fha and others took steps to provide forbearance for multi family owners, folks renting single family property or duplex or whatever it is. on top of that, these funds go directly into the pockets of landlords. the problem is and i think this is where there's agreement is that states have been very, very slow to actually get funds into the hands of those landlords and make them whole. that's where we need massive improvement, that's what the biden administration is focused on. >> will that solve it, stacy? there's $46 billion allocated for rental assistance. once it gets through, you have 26 states that haven't given out 10% of their money yet. >> that's the problem.
what government should have done is stayed out of the housing business, should have focused on getting rental assistance out into the marketplace. there's not a problem that it goes into the hand of landlords, it should, that's who it is due to. nothing is free. it is going to go through the housing provider so we can turn around, make the mortgage payment, pay to maintain the property. the problem is that government when they shut the economy down should have immediately made funds available to us to cover rent for tenants they wanted covered. it is not our responsibility to shelter them. we need to be sure we know implications are long term. the tenants, when we extend that eviction moratorium, they need to realize they're still on the hook for money that's due. can't pay 7 or $800 now, no way at the end they can pay 8, 9, $10,000. government needs to focus, get all hands on deck today figuring
out how to more efficiently get rental assistance into hands of those that need them. if they would have, instead of expending on the moratorium, they need to get that money out to us. >> secretary castro, the argument is states need to simplify the process so money can get out faster. the risk is, if you simplify the process, you bring on a lot of fraud. how do you solve that? >> they put safeguards in place against fraud and still tried to simplify the process. often times, for instance, you have the landlord and tenant applying together and verifying together, so there's documentation of that. the challenge is how do you do that, verify but not make it so cumbersome that people don't start the process in the first place or takes too long which is happening now. the biden administration has been working the last few months
with states to say this is how to make the process smoother, quicker, make people aware of it, get money into hands of renters and land lords that need it. let me say, it would have been inconceivable to not have any kind of eviction moratorium. what you would have had is millions of people out on the street, study after study has shown that there is a correlation between public health, spread of the coronavirus and people being out on the street, so that would have been worse for everybody, worse for renters, worse for landlords, worse for the economy. i think that the last administration and this administration made the right move in extending the cdc's moratorium. >> it is a reminder to the audience, when landlords are forced to sell, you know who buys them up? corporations. and corporations upgrade
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attention, and are aware even though on vacation about what's going on in state of florida, 17,000 new coronavirus cases on a daily basis here in the orlando area, orange county, the largest health care provider is add venlt health. they reported 1350 covid patients in the hospital, that beat a record from a week ago, a thousand patients in there. as we go inside disney, folks are required to wear masks going to attractions that are indoors. nobody is putting up any argument or fight, they're complying, going along. listen to what some that are attending the park, having fun, had to say. >> doesn't bother me too much. i am vaccinated. i think it is whatever we can do to keep everybody safe. >> i am fine with wearing a mask, doesn't bother me. i think it is a good idea. >> i am fine with it. if not vaccinated, you should wear one to protect everybody else's safety.
>> reporter: it was here a week ago that the mayor of orange county had said that since he did not have authority because the governor usurped it, said all decisions are made at the state level, he was hoping private business would move and it was shortly thereafter established on friday in effect that disney now said they would have this mandatory mask wearing when folks are indoors. so we're seeing in a case where government may not be acting, we see where private business is, that's not unique to florida. but disney is the largest single site employer in the nation right now with 77,000 employees. >> all right. kerry sanders, thank you. we're going deeper on that, it is not just disney. corporations big and small across the country are stepping up in a big way. 30 health care leaders from the last four administrations are
out with a brand new letter this morning urging more ceos to take steps to protect workplaces. they want vaccine requirements, if a company cannot, they're asking them to take steps, adding incentives for vaccines, increased testing. companies are saying they're on board and are joining a huge list of companies following the letter's guidelines. joining me, one of those that signed the letter, andy slaf et, and shannon bagley. the government got the vaccine to us. health care workers educated us. now businesses, they've got the incentive. is this the third phase of vaccinating america? >> this is exactly what's going on. first of all, it is an
unprecedented group of people, across the biden administration, trump administration, obama and bush administration, health care officials and scientists saying the same thing. the delta variant is a new thing. if you think you developed plans to keep the workplace safe based on last year's virus, you have to start over. so what we're saying is leading companies need to find a path to vaccinate the work force, while respecting individual concerns people have. companies like centene stepping up to do this is where we have to go next. the federal government has done a great deal. federal government alone can't vaccinate the country. the message today, we as leaders in this country who employ people who serve in our communities need to take it the next mile. >> shannon, your company has 65,000 employees. what would you tell other businesses that haven't made the commitment yet? >> i think we all need to have
courage to lead, to come together, to truly do what's right to protect these individuals, particularly young kids that are simply not eligible for the vaccine. we know there's a variety of tools in the tool kit to protect these kids and protect those with immune deficiencies that are not eligible for the vaccine. the best tool in the tool kit is to vaccinate. they're safe, effective, given to hundreds of millions of individuals. we are a company that are going to use every tool in the tool kit, including asking employees to truly provide proof of vaccination before they come in the work force. we're asking that all our guests -- go ahead. >> andy, everyone on this letter wants vaccine requirements in the workplace. you're also calling for stuff like more testing and masks if they can't. they already have more testing
and masks. isn't the issue calling for more testing, we don't have fastest results. we're now seeing more delays. if you are saying get people tested regularly, it could take three to five days to get results. how does that solve anything? >> today we have $20 quick tests that can be taken frequently and every day. look, there are governors as you reported including state of florida standing in the way of employers putting in place a mandate. there are many employers coming to us and saying what do we do. the governor is preventing us putting in place a mandate. what we're saying is this is not a mandate. what you want to do is tell people you can opt out of regular frequent daily testing requirements by getting vaccinated. that is a choice, not a mandate and it is an option. as shannon said, the best path is to vaccinate everybody. that's the way we get out of
delta. you live in a state like florida and can't do that, this is a good path for you to follow. >> andy, if these guidelines become a trend, businesses can boost nationwide vaccines by 10%. huge. put it in context for us. how much will that stop the spread? >> i think if businesses step up, people have said, 25 million said in order to go to work, go into large venues where they're around other people, they need to be vaccinated, they would gladly get vaccinated. they're just not prioritizing it. that could bring us, stephanie, from 70% to 80% of adults vaccinated. that would make enormous difference on the path, dramatically reduce cases and deaths and provide momentum we need. calling on businesses today to take the opportunity. you won't be alone, there are great businesses like centene
and others leading the way. join them. >> i don't understand those that are against showing proof of vaccine. have they never had to show a passport, id, take kids to school? it makes no sense to me. thank you both for joining us. i appreciate all you do. spirit airlines cancelling 60% of flights. ♪ give me som