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today that the pace of evacuations has ramped up dramatically more than 16,000 people flown out of afghanistan in the past 24 hours. in total at least 37,000 people evacuated since august 14th. that is despite ongoing chaos at the airport in kabul. just today a deadly gunfight at one airport entrance in which an afghan soldier was killed. the president said on sunday he's considering keeping troops past the 31st to complete owe evacuations. a taliban spokesperson warned the united states would be crossing a, quote, red line if the biden administration keeps troops in afghanistan past its declared august 31st deadline. national security adviser jake sullivan reiterating the administration believes it can evacuate americans before the 31st while still leaving the door open to an extension.
take a listen. >> we are engaging with the tal began, consulting with the taliban on every aspect in kabul right now. on what's happening at the airport, on how we need to ensure there is facilitated passage to the airport for american citizens, sivs, third country nationals and so forth. we'll continue those conversations with them. ultimately it will be the president's decision how this proceeds, no one else's. yes? >> you said we have the wherewithal to get americans out, but you didn't -- forgive me if i didn't get the quote right in your statement -- you didn't say we have the ability to get them out, didn't set a time frame by august 31st. >> as i've said before, as the president has said before, we believe that we have time between now and the 31st to get out any american who wants to get out. >> a steady stream of americans and afghan refugees are making their way across the world, some arriving here in the united
states. nearly 6,000 have flown to ramstein air base in germany. here is how one general there described the effort to take in thousands fleeing afghanistan. >> all the goodness and humanity is happening here not only bringing in when we had this -- to your great question on 5,000 and building it up to 7,500, we didn't think we could do that fast and did a call for volunteers, and we had families, sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, come out and building tents and all pitching in. >> here at home the president on sunday once again responded to criticism of the withdrawal and the scenes of chaos and violence outside the airport in kabul. >> let me be clear, the evacuation of thousands of people from kabul is going to be hard and painful no matter when it started, when we began. it would have been true had we started a month ago or a month from now. there's no way to evacuate this many people without pain and loss of the heartbreaking images
you see on television. it's just a fact. my heart aches for those people you see. we are proving we can move thousands of people out of kabul bringing our citizens, nato allies, afghanis who have helped us in the war effort. but we have a long way to go and a lot could still go wrong. but to move out 30,000 people in just over a week is a great testament to the men and women on the ground in kabul and our armed services. >> a new poll by nbc news shows that 60% of americans disapprove of the president's handling of the crisis. but on the issue of ending the war there are signs the public may be aligned with the president. from nbc 61% believe the war was not worth it compared with 29% who say it was. numbers that are virtually identical to when the question was last asked in 2014 and that is where we begin today.
joining us eli stokels, washington correspondent with "the washington post" and former democratic congressman donna edwards, an msnbc contributor. jacqueline, i want to start with you this is, of course, one of the first big foreign policy crises of this new presidency. talk to me about the thinking inside of the biden administration right now. >> i think the biden administration looking at the poll nbc news released whether or not americans approve or disapprove. that is the number they keep pointing to in the midst of this backlash when it comes to withdrawal, of course democrats make the point and the chaos that has ensued. i think the weeks ahead are going to be the biggest test for
the administration. the pentagon has said that 16,000 people have been evacuated in the past 24 hours. but national security adviser jake sullivan also just said that the u.s. is not quite sure how many americans still actually are in the country because of various issues with paperwork. so the administration maintains that they can -- they're going to be able to evacuate those americans and the americans that want to be evacuated before the 31st. but whether or not they can do that remains to be seen. there's also growing global pressure. biden is going to meet with the group of seven on tuesday and ben wallace has already said that boris johnson is going to use this meeting to press biden to extend that august 31st deadline to help our allies evacuate people who still need to be evacuated from the country then. i think all eyes are on the end of this month and whether the administration decides to stay in the country. >> and this becomes a question of confidence.
the president was asked about americans losing confidence in his ability to handle the situation in afghanistan. i want to play for you what he said. take a listen. >> i had a basic decision to make. i either withdraw america from a 20-year war that depending on whose analysis you accept cost us $150 million a day for 20 years or $300 million a day for 20 years. you know i carry this card with me every day. and who, in fact, where we lost 2,448 americans dead and 20,722 wounded. either increase the number of forces we keep there and keep that going or i end the war. and i decided to end the war. >> so, eli, you have the president in very stark terms laying out the stakes but it does seem when you look at what the american public is saying
it's not about ending the war but how it is unfolding. i thought it was notable you had sullivan saying the decision about whether or not we extend the deadline on the 31st is going to be the president's and the president's alone. >> right. he said that even though he said right after the taliban came out and said they don't want the u.s. in the country beyond the 31st, sullivan said we probably don't need to stay beyond the 31st. you can read that a number of different ways. it's been clear that since safes fell to the taliban, they have preferred to litigate the decision to pull american troops out after 20 years because on that one the american public has been with them and continue to be be with them. they have more difficult set of facts in defending how they were taken by surprise by the taliban onslaught overtaking the country
though you could see for weeks they were winning the provincial capitals and the afghan military was no match for the taliban fighters. we can litigate that after the fact. what you're seeing is a shift in tone from the white house trying to do a better job of expectation setting with the public when you see jake sullivan at the podium when you saw the president yesterday acknowledging the more xlags situation. this airlift that is ongoing and will be ongoing through the 31st can be an impressive feat of collaboration military diplomatic achievement and be a total mess and be really difficult getting a lot of these afghans through some of these checkpoints. the pressure is going to continue to build even as they acknowledge both sides of the coin there. there are a lot of folks in congress who are calling to stay, not just the british or
european allies but people the president needs to advance his agenda who are calling on the commander in chief to keep forces there longer, and they've been a little wishy-washy. they continue to say we will get every last american out who wants to get out but they're not making the same promise about the afghans. president biden was asked point blank does that extend to the afghans and he said it does. he also said you're not going to be able to airlift every afghan who wants to leave the country. this is going to continue to be difficult politically for the white house. they are going to continue to show just how effective the airlift is, to give those numbers of thousands of people being flown to other countries every day and it is impressive. and they are saving those people's lives. come the 31st, there inevitably will be a lot of people who are left behind and that is going to be something that is difficult for this white house to talk about as they weigh whether or
not to stay beyond the deadline the president himself has set. >> donna, your sense of where that advocacy from people on capitol hill is factoring into this administration's decision making? >> well, i think what you can see over the last several days is the administration of a president who ran on the idea of being able to deliver and being competent is clearing up that competency. the more these later stages of the evacuation proceed getting more people out, our air mobility units doing their job, the more that erases the pictures of the early days that the president was faced with and i happen to believe a year from now what we will remember is the number of americans who exited afghanistan, the number of afghans who were able to get out
safely. and, of course, the end of the war. the president right now, his task is to do this in a much more competent way so it erases those early pictures. >> jackie, this all comes, of course, as capitol hill has what is already a full plate. they are dealing with infrastructure, what are you hearing from democrats on the hill about the way this is playing out in relationship to the domestic agenda? >> these are concurrent crises that have overtaken congress' agenda. house democrats just returned a week early to figure out this infrastructure package which democrats are supposed to take a political vote on tonight, at the same time there's a slate of briefings on the situation in afghanistan. the house intelligence 5:00 p.m. on the situation. gregory meeks, the chair, has also asked for a briefing with
secretary of state tony blinken to lay out how the intel was so wrong on the down fall to the hands of the taliban so swiftly which biden himself admitted happened far more quickly than anyone in the administration thought it would happen. so all of those briefings will take place throughout this week with lawmakers trying to collect as much information as possible. they are very worried about getting their constituents, some of their people in need, and afghan allies out of the country as well. they're working closely with humanitarian groups and experts and aides who are hustling to get people at the kabul airport onto these planes and out of the country and into safety. they're also, though, applying pressure on the administration. many democrats have said from the beginning that they want biden to promise to stay in the country past august 31 isst in order to ensure that everyone who wants to get out gets out. you have senator jean shaheen
and ernst issue a bipartisan letter calling on the administration to expand the special immigrant visa program even more which congress had actually already passed and implemented and the administration had not yet done and ask biden to again keep u.s. troops in the country for as long as it takes to get everyone out. >> you have great reporting the way this president has been laser-like focused on getting this passed through congress. does this all change the calculus? does this force the white house to recalibrate? >> no, and they're not recalibrating. they are focused on pushing the domestic agenda. they set up a war room in the white house last month. and they have continued to try to coordinate the cabinet members out to various states and congressional districts across the country for events. they have set up hundreds of tv interviews. they are pushing this domestic agenda. i think the problem they didn't
foresee and maybe not focusing enough on afghanistan or getting ahead of the messiness of this withdrawal is the way that may soften their support or their ability to have some leverage over lawmakers on the hill. if the president loses five, six, seven points in his approval ratings, that makes picking up the phone that much more difficult and they have very thin margins as it is in both the house and the senate where they still need to pass the budget bill. it just gets harder. i think this is an administration that for eight months had a real sense of momentum and a belief in their own competence to manage really difficult crises. they felt they were doing a good job with the pandemic and were still on track. the president was standing at the podium saying, see, you said i couldn't do this. there was a bit of arrogance growing and now it remains to be seen what happens. the mood has changed on the hill and in washington generally
because there's less of a guarantee of confidence and belief that this president is as popular as he was maybe just a week ago. >> donna, feel free to respond to that but i want to play you something olivia troy, our viewers are familiar with on this program. she said how the trump administration handled the issue of resettling afghan refugees talking about steven miller here. take a listen. >> you would say what do you want? do you want a little iraqs across the country, the united states? and it was hurtful to hear that and offensive to many of us in the room who had served on the ground in both countries. i've been to both countries. these are the people that helped keep us alive, helped navigate us around the country and to hear this naive, hateful rhetoric being said in cabinet-level discussions when we're making decisions specifically on items like the refugee ceiling and what would happen on that, to hear that rhetoric.
we knew what we were up against. when you look at the days of these people, they were stuck for three years. that number increased under the trump administration. i found out there was one person in the state department doing the security checks there for thousands of people. >> donna, the xenophobia she's talking about there, not surprising, still sickening. i want to you talk about both what the biden administration inherited here but a question i keep circling back to which is as this government seeks to resettle refugees there will be those on the right who will make it a political issue. we have seen the way they have politicized asylum. democrats need to be prepared to push back. how do they do that? >> i also think we've heard from republicans pushing the administration on helping out the afghan nationals who gave us so much and helped our service members so much. those are the very people who will be pushing back saying
let's not accept these immigrants and all of that dirdy language into the country. can't have it both ways. i think what the president needs to do is to make sure that we have a system which we do and it's in place and working to vet the people who are coming in and using the international and other nonprofit organizations to really help this process of resettlement. it is not going to be easy. not every afghan citizen who has come to the united states will stay here and some will go to other places. but the president is actually going to have to take the lead on really making it a helpful and good thing for the american people to accept these people into our communities who helped so much. i can say on the political end i don't really see members of
congress juggling whether they're going to care about afghanistan and the withdrawal over the domestic agenda. every single member of congress has something to gain by passing the infrastructure bill, the human infrastructure and hard infrastructure, and i think they will get over it. i'm not surprised by the posturing. i think democrats have an interest, the president has an interest in getting this over the finish line. >> thank you both so much for starting us off. donna edwards, you are sticking with us. full approval for one of the nation's covid vaccines. will it motivate millions who are keeping everyone from a safe return to normal? and congress returns tonight with a lot on their plate. democrats hoping for a victory as the harrowing pictures from afghanistan dominated last week. we'll talk with one lawmaker who says the president made the right call and is determined to
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i would definitely call rage moms. they want to send their kids back to school. they don't want to be fighting with governors over mask mandates. are those people going to turn into a political force? >> well, i can use myself as an example. i'm part of the rage of the responsible. you can feel it everywhere whether you talk to your friends' networks or family members and community members that people are feeling fatigued but are angry they have to go back to wearing masks, restricting activities because a set of irresponsible people are endangering all of us. the political implications i'm not really sure, and i agree the president's poll numbers, i think, as we move toward more people being vaccinated, more people going back to work, more employers now having the ability to say no vaccine, no work i
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in just a few minutes the house will be back in session cutting short a break that was supposed to last until next month. congress has many things to take care of now that they're readjourned, investigating just what happened in afghanistan over the last few weeks. both the democrats and republicans are committed to getting to the bottom of the fallout. the house intelligence committee will get a classified briefing from members of the intelligence community at the top of the next hour will the full house briefed
in person tomorrow. a member of the foreign affairs committee has been watching the situation unfold in 2019. questioned trump's secretary of state mike pompeo, the deal with the taliban could very well unfold into what we are seeing today. >> i share the recognition that we're not going to have a military solution to afghanistan. my concern is if we have a precipitous withdrawal and pull out without the correct conditions in place. are we caving to the taliban stance because that's what they have said previously, our conditions have been that they should be part of the afghan government. is this funny, sir? >> the fact you are relying on third-hand reporting for something the taliban might or might not have said in some print report, yeah, i think we should all have better -- >> is the afghan government part of this negotiation we're having? >> multiple times every week, multiple times every day on some days.
>> joining us now a member of the foreign affairs and veterans affairs committee. congressman, you voiced your concern to pompeo last year during the briefing. we just watched that clip. what were your concerns then and what are they now? >> my concerns were the previous u.s. conditions, to respect the afghan condition including protections for women, girls and minorities, as well as not having the afghan government a part of the negotiations with the taliban, which had previously been a condition of ours, those had been dropped. it seemed to me they're trying to fulfill a political promise and to try to get out as quickly as possible leaving, i think, a very difficult situation for the next president. >> what does it look like at this point to get things right from here on out? >> we have to continue to evacuate every afghan who worked with us, every afghan who was a part of our 20-year occupation. their lives are literally at risk. we have to continue applying
international pressure to the taliban to respect some of the commitments they have made about how they will govern their own people. they are now at a crossroads in which they can either go back to being a pariah in the world community, a pariah in which they will not have any funding sources, will be subject to sanctions, or in which they could have potentially some kind of constructive relationship if they can take care of their people and respect some of the things and the progress made in afghanistan over the last couple of decades. >> big intel briefing tonight. what do you hope to get from the briefing? what questions do you have? >> my biggest question is around the speed of the collapse of the afghan security forces and about some of the deals that were clearly in place between the taliban and leaders. clear will there were months of negotiations, maybe payoffs going on so that once this all started it collapsed extremely quickly. it wasn't a military victory even.
much of the concerns that we see at the airport now are driven by the speed of the collapse because no one thought this would happen in 11 days. >> i do want to ask you about what is happening in your home state of texas, both this renewed effort on the part of republicans to advance their voting rights bill, the numbers of covid hospitalizations. what is happening in texas? >> i have a 2 1/2-year-old in school saying they had a covid exposure in a different class and that class had to be shut down for 14 days. they rely on us to protect them and so many parents are in the same situation. the governor who contracted
covid, and i wish him well in terms of his recovery, got the best treatment and is not allowing others to take the necessary steps to protect themselves. in places like dallas, we need to be able to take simple steps we know and have learned will help protect you and our family who we can't forget about. they are now in their fourth wave of this and are undergoing extreme stress again having to deal with this. >> congressman, thank you for spending some time with us. up next, portland police arresting one man yesterday after hours of gunfire and violence between members of the proud boys and counterprotesters. tension that is showing no signs of slowing down. is right wing extremism the new normal? we'll be right back.
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there's a reason so many national security analysts insist that despite more than 600 arrests since january, the central tension that led to the attack on the capitol has not dissipated. in fact it very well could be priming far-right groups to act again. consider what happened in portland. clashes between right-wing extremists and counter demonstrators culminating in shots fired and af arrest over the unlawful use of a firearm. a seattle times reports members of the far-right group were chanting about freeing, quote, political prisoners referring to
january 6th defendants. that's notable given what we learned late last week. police in washington are already making preparations for a rally scheduled for september 18th. the justice for j6 rally in support of those so-called political prisoners. as we said that central tension persists prompting a big question. are we on the doorstep of another january 6th? joining us now clint watts, former consultant to the fbi counterterrorism division and msnbc national security analyst, and jonathan levinson, a reporter and producer for oregon public broadcasting who was on the ground in portland in the middle of it all yesterday. jonathan, i want to start with you before we get into these longer-term big picture questions. just give us a picture of what happened this weekend in portland. >> there was a rally on the outskirts of the city. the proud boys were branding it as the summer of love.
counterprotesters showed up and they moved throughout multiple blocks of the city. exchanged volleys of mace and paint balls. one reporter was thrown to the ground. her phone was smashed. the proud boys trapped one man in his truck, destroyed the vehicle, maced him, physically beat him. it was very violent over the course of about an hour and there was no police intervention. >> i want to ask you about that because there were questions in portland yesterday. they appeared to take a more hands-off approach with the exception of the firearms arrest that we mentioned. was it a concerted strategy on their part? >> it was. they said they would be staying out of the way and would not be keeping the groups apart. the mayor on friday urged people to choose love. that message didn't appear to get love. they respect the first amendment
rights and they are very understaffed. they do say they will investigate crimes and make arrests after the fact but they won't intervene in the moment. >> clint, taking into account what we saw in portland this weekend, what sort of preparations do capitol hill police have to make before this rally in september? >> yeah, it's striking. the pot is boiling again and bubbling over. any given day several calls for rallies again. you have anti-mask protests daily across the country. anti-vax protests will be picking up consistently as you see unemployment benefits end and at the same point what we're seeing is the energy around a lot of this protest movement, which you saw going back to january 6th. we see the language we hear on other channels like fox news and other commentators and president trump is back out and talking again.
the more the president squawks the more targets he talks about. that is the notion of the political prisoners after january 6th has really taken hold. and rather than go to a national rally, what you're seeing is local rallies and portland is the tip of the iceberg of what could unfold because we're starting to have more mass gatherings. people are out and about and moving around. we have kids going back to school, students going back to universities, people going back to work places. that is mass targets, a dangerous follow, going on in the country right now. >> clint, i struggle with something and i would love to hear how you think about it. you've heard me say could we be on the doorstep of another january 6th? i get nervous when we say those things that they sound inflammatory, that they turn up the temperature instead of turning it down. at the same time so many people watched what happened and were legitimately surprised and there were experts like you who said
you shouldn't have been surprised if you were paying attention. where does the truth lie between being prepared, between understanding these elements are very much still at play and not feeling as though we're living in a constant hyper vigilant state for the worst to happen. >> yeah, it's a tricky conundrum because after an incident, whether it's 9/11 or years later, january 6, we tend to get really spun up and we try and react. you have to look at the places both historically and in the contemporary where we're likely to see the sources stand. portland, i was an fbi agent when i started in portland, oregon. i saw protests there as the war kicked off and that is a place you notoriously see clashes between different protest groups. other places right now that i'm really worried about are state capitols where you have high,
protests, where you've seen them start to collide. >> jonathan, it strikes me you heard clint right there name check the city you are in. when you talk to residents there, are they nervous? are they on high alert, or has this become their new normal? >> i think there's a difference between normal and acceptable. residents are very frustrated. this goes on unchecked. a lot of people commented to me observing. police have responded in the past. last fall and the sum earp before they marshalled a large response for rallies like this and it worked. the events fizzled. i think this unchecked violence leads to more unchecked violence
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storage units, pools, cars were all rushing down the street. this is a top sign that has been bent down to a parallel point on the ground here by running water. i spoke with one woman whose business is around the corner. that's been completely upended. she said in 2010 this area of middle tennessee experienced a once-in-a-generation, a 100-year flood. they thought that was it. here we are ten years later and it happened again. here is how she is describing what she is going through. >> we watched part of it wash away. it is gone, destroyed. over 30 years, my husband and son, gone. we are going to need help. people are devastated, and how do you recover this? i mean -- i mean there's people that their whole lives are gone. >> reporter: over my shoulder at this house you see a yellow x which, of course, signifies the fact crews have been in there and so far no one was found inside. i'm looking around and seeing family members and community members, everyone trying to pull together. >> that was nbc's sam brock in tennessee. the next hour of "deadline:
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backing down from his decision to end the u.s. military involvement in afghanistan as he and his administration are beating back heavy criticism coming their way. right now the situation in kabul remains volatile and at times violent. from our nbc news reporting, a deadly fire fight brought renewed chaos to kabul airport on monday where thousands of afghans were waiting to flee the country as the taliban faced down a resistance movement in the north. one afghan soldier was killed and three others were injured in the fight between afghan security forces and unknown attackers at the north gate of the airport, the german military said in a tweet. according to the latest numbers from the white house, in just the last 24 hours 16,000 individuals were evacuated and the administration's focus remains on maintaining the steady stream of removals. but president biden acknowledges there is still much more work ahead to get the rest of the americans and our afghan allies
safe from taliban rule. with the august 31st deadline for withdrawal fast approaching, that's next tuesday, biden says he was considering extending evacuation efforts but that was met with a swift and stark warning from the taliban who told sky news the 31st in a red line and there would be consequences if evacuations continued after that point, which means biden's handling of the situation in the next days and weeks are critical. as david sanger writes in "the new york times", to rescue his focus-on-the-vital strategy, biden knows he must first res cothose americans and afghan allies, whatever it takes. one of his closest aides told me last week that his legacy on afghanistan might be decided not on how he did in the past two weeks but on how he does in the next two. no matter how good his geopolitical strategy, if the on-the-ground execution does not improve the withdrawal will likely be remembered as a disaster. those who have been lucky enough
to escape already are thankful but also filled with despair. this from a report in "the new york times" where they spoke with a lecturer at kabul university who managed to flee a few days before the collapse of the city. quote, now, he said, he was overcome by the sense of becoming a permanent refugee. we have no home to return to, he said. the days since kabul's collapse have felt more like centuries, he added. a friend level in kabul, where many people have remained cloistered inside for fear of taliban retribution, described it to him as a city of ghosts. even during the light of the day you feel like it is dark. that kind of depression is governing the city, he said. people fear that the international community has given up on afghanistan and they will one day recognize this regime change in the country. that's where we begin this hour. joining us now, david rohde, executive editor for "the new yorker." with us nbc news correspondent
at the pentagon, courtney kube. marc jacobson, a combat veteran who served in afghanistan in 2006. he also served in kabul as a deputy nato representative and was a senior adviser to defense secretary ash carter. good to see all of you. david, i want to start with good news if i can because we've been talking over the course of the many several days about friends you had in kabul, you were trying desperately to see what you could do to help get them out. tell us where they are now, what you know about how they are and how are you feeling? >> so we're talking about an afghan journalist, he and i were kidnapped by the taliban more than a decade ago and i'm alive today because tahir helped me escape from taliban captivity. he is now a u.s. citizen, he lives in the washington, d.c. area. he was trying to bring his family to the united states before president biden announced the withdrawal. the visa process was very slow and his family was trapped in
kabul. it has been a desperate effort by tahir. i'm trying to help him to get them out. they are out. they managed to get on the airport, i don't want to say how, it was a miracle. after many hours of waiting, some without food and water in the american zone there, they boarded an american military flight so they are safe. we're elated. tahir just called me. he hasn't heard from them in 14 hours. he doesn't know where they are, but at least they are safe. >> i can't even imagine what a sigh of relief you must feel, but what about for the folks who are still there, david? >> yeah, we've got eight days to go until the august 31st deadline. a conservative estimate of the number of afghan civilians who backed the u.s. effort, this would be military translators, people who built schools for girls, hospitals, afghan journalists who worked with people like me, that could be at least 100,000. another estimate is 300,000. we are not going to be able to remove 300,000 afghan allies in
eight days. i think the timeline is unrealistic and needs to be extended. >> which brings us, mark, to the possibility of an extension, what you think about that. what do you make of the taliban threats? you have seen this from so many different sides on the ground, in afghanistan. what is your take on the situation right now? >> first, let me talk about the extension. look, the bottom line is american families right now because of the policies that the state department has set up and refuses to budge on, american families are being split up. american families are going to get left behind, and, frankly, afghans aren't getting into the gate in the numbers needed to get them out in time. what i mean by that is you have american families, u.s. passport holders, who might have an afghan adult child -- i'm sorry, afghan adult family member or they might have a mother or father, people who are going to be given the right immigration status to come to the united states and are being told they can't. i am aware of a family that went over from the united states to
afghanistan for a wedding. you had some u.s. passport holders, you had others who were on visas. the afghan passport holders are still stuck there and we can't get them out. there is no way to do this with the current timeline because, don't forget, you have to stop the airlift before the 31st because you have to bring military forces, retrograde, the military forces before that date. i don't know how he does it without extending the date. to the taliban, who cares? i mean the bottom line is the white house keeps talking about, the pentagon keeps talking about this incredible military force. guess what? if we have to leave american citizens on the ground because of a taliban threat, i'm not sure what this country stands for anymore. >> courtney, what do we know about what the biden administration with the pentagon is willing to do, assuming that we have to go past this 31st deadline? >> so the military is absolutely capable of going beyond the august 31st deadline, but i will
be honest with you, i don't get the impression that's the decision that's being made in this administration. it is a policy decision. it is up to president biden to make that decision, and if he were to direct the military, i am confident that they would move forward and they would continue the evacuation effort. but just from what i am hearing from defense officials, it does not seem like that is -- that they are planning for -- that they are expecting that actually to happen. of course, they could continue with this evacuation effort, and, you know, listening to david and listening to mark, two people who know afghanistan so well -- i mean we have, you know, two excellent experts here, and they know the situation of this evacuation and it is exactly what we've been hearing from afghanistan, from here, that there are thousands of people who are in need, who need to get out and getting them out by august 31st is highly unlikely, to get everyone out who wants to. mark makes an excellent point, and that is there's 5,800 roughly u.s. troops there in
kabul, and there's still a small embassy element. so you can't just turn -- you know, flip a switch and get all of those people out as well. the military needs to lead, and that's going to take some time. then you have to backtrack from the august 31st deadline to say how much time is it going take for the military to get out, and that's when they are going to have to stop accepting evacuees, to put them on flights as well. >> yeah. again, biden said yesterday he may extend it, but i want you to listen to what national security adviser jake sullivan said today. take a listen. >> we are engaging with the taliban, consulting with the taliban on every aspect of what is happening in kabul right now. on what is happening at the airport, on how we need to ensure that there is facilitated passage to the airport for american citizens, sivs, third country nationals and so forth. we'll continue those conversations with them. ultimately, it will be the president's decision how this proceeds, no one else's. yes. >> reporter: you said we have the wherewithal to get americans
out, but you didn't -- forgive me if i'm not getting the quote right, your statement. but you didn't say that we have the ability to get them out, you didn't set a time frame by august 31st. >> so as i have said before, as the president has said before, we believe that we have time between now and the 31st to get out any american who wants to get out. >> david, i want to get your reaction to that. knowing what we know, i mean we have women who are giving birth on the tarmac, who knew that they were near the point when they were going to give birth and they fought to get on a plane anyway. we know that there are civilians there who went there to fight for women's rights, women who are holed up in their homes trying to keep the lights out and not be detected. the horror of this situation is so great and yet we are looking at eight days from now, that light switch clicking. >> and, look, the national security adviser said any
american by the 31st. he didn't mention afghans. i had a family call me today, they have someone who worked at the american university of kabul, that's his crime. he's being hunted by the taliban. there will be public executions by the taliban of afghans who helped the american project in afghanistan. does the administration want this? can't they extend this deadline beyond? and i think there will be a political cost. you see the poll numbers dropping about how he is handling afghanistan. terrible things will happen. this airlift must be extended. >> is this where the u.s. should be standing on the world stage? that's a big question now, marc jacobson. look, the president has been consistent, he has been absolutely consistent in his feeling about getting out of afghanistan. he has made the pledge to get americans out of afghanistan. give us some context of how you see this playing out on the world stage. >> you know, i -- i don't
usually get riled up like this, but the last week and a half when myself and about 1,000 volunteers, and these are u.s. military academy grads, these are groups of national security professionals who have been in democratic and republican administrations, usaid professionals, state department officials, advocacy and international government organizations, all banding together in these different networks online to literally track down anyone who needs to get out, help them get to the airport. i mean through taliban check points. make sure they're okay. give them morale calls. what i hear over and over again from these people are just pleas to get them out. i mean this reminds me of -- you go back to the second world war and you go back to the american turning away of jewish refugees fleeing from europe. that is what this is going to send in terms of a message on the world stage. this administration cannot be the leader on human rights, the
leader on human rights when it acts in such a reprehensible manner. >> let me read to you some of our nbc reporting. quote, local staff members at the u.s. embassy in kabul are deeply disheartened by u.s. evacuation efforts and have expressed a sense of betrayal and distrust in the u.s. government according to a state department diplomatic cable obtained by nbc news. some staff members reported they were almost separated from their children while others collapsed in a crush of people and had to be taken to hospital with injuries, the cable said. others said they collapsed on the road because of heat exhaustion, it said. it would be better to tie under the taliban's bullet than face the crowds again, a staff member was quoted as saying in the cable. courtney, just how disheartened are our afghan staff members who have worked side by side with americans all these years? >> yeah, and it is not just people who have worked at the embassy. there's -- i mean there's thousands of individuals who have supported the military over
the years, and, you know, mark is -- he is absolutely right. we're hearing from veterans. i can't tell you how many we're hearing from, who are just absolutely beside themselves because people who they worked with, who they came to know as their, you know, brothers are stuck there and they have family stuck there and they're terrified and they're reaching out and they're desperate for help. and, you know, there are so many people like mark who are trying to help them and like david who are trying to help their friends there, but the reality is, yes, the u.s. military actually and the u.s. government had a good day of getting people out yesterday. they had thousands of evacuees who were able to get out. the question is can they keep up that pace. and even if they do keep it up for the next six, seven days before this deadline, will they really be able to get out not just all of the americans but the afghans who need to? and then beyond that, i mean we are only addressing the security and the concern there on the ground in kabul.
we still have this large logistical headache and hurdle that exists when they get them to other places. so we've heard a lot about doha, qatar, where they're essentially at capacity. they cannot keep processing people there. now there's an effort to bring upwards of 30,000 afghans here to the united states, but there's hurdles with that. there's the screening. there's being able to get them here. it is -- this entire undertaking has been met at every single turn with every time they come across some way to get people out and get them to safety, they meet another challenge. so the notion that they're going to be able to get the rest of these potentially tens of thousands of people out by august 31st, it just does not seem logistically possible. then the big question becomes, well, what are the further implications? you know, how can they? if the policy decision is made to extend this mission, how can the military do that?
do they have to negotiate with the taliban? what happens if the taliban says no, we had an agreement, you are supposed to be out on the 31st, and then do the military there at the airport come under fire? do they have to send more troops in? i mean it is just -- the second and third order effects of this -- these decisions are just -- they're mind blowing when you really think about it. >> i want to pick up on two things -- >> can i interject for a second? >> go ahead. >> i think we have all been very critical of the response by the administration. i just want to make very clear, this is because of policies set by the white house and the state department. the 82nd airborne, 10th mountain division, the u.s. marines are being given guidance that is breaking their hearts and making them cry. you know, they were talking about a story about, you know, soldiers crying. i have -- i have it over and over and over again, hardened combat veterans who have to walk away from their posts in the mud out there because they're not allow to go out there and help
those people who have been crushed. finally, just today, i finally started seeing some pictures of the marines getting out there to provide medical support. if this isn't -- if the state department, if the white house does not give the military the freedom to open up more gates, to kind of work at putting people through, you know, to help them figure out the logistics of the air head, there is no way that every american citizen much less american green card holders and, of course, the view of our afghans, i just don't know what to say about what is coming from the white house. it is dishonest. >> and obviously as courtney kube points out, david, then there's a question of even if we get them out of afghanistan, what is our setup, what is our plan, where do they go? we have heard on some of the right-wing media this anti-refugee rhetoric stirring up. at least now there are a few people in congress who are saying, enough is enough. let me play for you a couple of folks who are at least
condemning that kind of hate talk. >> what you see is in the media eco chamber this fearmongering, right? this, they're coming to your neighborhood, these hoards of people who haven't been vetted. that is not american. you can always have questions with how this was executed, but america has always been the country that opens our heart. >> we are talking about men and women who risked their lives to protect americans. they fought hand in hand with our troops, and we made promises to them. there are 32 million afghans. we are talking about 60,000 to 80,000 people. so the first thing to say is the american people need to understand who we are talking about. we are talking about heroes who fought with us to take the fight to al qaeda and the taliban. when you fought on behalf of americans to protect our people, you are welcome in my neighborhood. >> david, did we not know how many there were going to be? did we not realize that if we are going to have to get them out of afghanistan, they had to go somewhere?
>> refugee groups told the biden white house in june that there were at least 100,000 afghans that had to be evacuated. they ignored that warning. there's going to be growing pressure. there are some groups calling for a safe haven to be created by the u.s. military at the airport or maybe north of there at bagram. international allies are criticizing the united states. just lastly on the this fear of afghans coming, they're all going to military bases abroad. the guam option, gerald ford removed 130,000 south vietnamese to guam. we could use guam. there are ways to do this that will help the president politically and not hurt him. if we are going to defeat jihadist we need muslim allies and that's why we must extend the evacuation and help our afghan allies. >> i cannot imagine three more important people to have this conversation with. david rohde, courtney kube and marc jacobson, thank you for starting us off this hour. after the break, democrats in texas down to the wire as republicans renew their push to
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bill. three democratic members of the texas house returned to work in austin last week, breaking ranks with the rest of their caucus and ending a weeks-long boycott that has successfully blocked the bill from moving forward and allowing a quorum to be established in the state house for the first time since july. a house committee has been hearing testimony all day long today from members of the public who advocated both for and against the bill, which among other things will prohibit 24-hour polling sites, ban drive-through voting, and give partisan poll watchers more access. but democratic state representatives are resolving to keep up the fight. dozens of them saying in a recent joint statement, quote, we are disappointed that a few democrats chose to return to the floor. we feel betrayed and heartbroken but our resolve is strong and this fight is not over. joining us texas state representative diego bernold. you held strong. now the three of them broke with
you. do you feel betrayed? do you feel disappointed? what do you think the impact is going to be? >> i wouldn't use the word betrayed. my feelings are hurt and i'm certainly disappointed, but i agree, i don't think the fight is over. i think there's a lot left in us. honestly, i think the situation is very fluid. day to day things could change. we are waiting to see if they make quorum today. so a lot remains to be seen. i do think one of the overall messages though is that we are trying our very pass the baton to d.c. and have them pick it up. we've done as much as we possibly can. we have more fight in us, but it is really a federal issue that needs to be resolved across the country, and we are hoping that folks in d.c. pick it up and get it across the finish line. >> is there anything that you see that is happening right now and you see how focused washington is on what is happening in afghanistan, what is happening with the covid fight, and then, of course, on capitol hill you have a couple of bills, infrastructure and a $3.5 trillion budget bill. so do you see anything, are you
hearing anything that indicates to you that this might happen on the federal level? and, if so, how? >> well, we are a little bit, and i want to make clear, we would never compete with any of those issues. we would never compete with covid. we would never compete with afghanistan. we recognize though that the federal government, like any other government, has to do a bunch of things at the same time. so in that way we do think that now that things might be moving again in texas, there has to be some sort of pressure, some sort of deliberate action by d.c. otherwise texas will end up with the most restrictive voting laws of any state in the country. that's what is at stake. i understand to some degree this idea that some senators want to preserve the institution or the norms of the institution. i understand that to a degree. but our response to that would be that institution is based on the right to vote. it doesn't exist without the right to vote, so you can't
preserve the institution without preserving the right. i'm asking them to see it that way. you know, i have a phrase i always use, which is as long as there's hope there's hope. until there's a solid, hard-core, you know, end of the sentence, no. we're going to keep on. >> i want to make sure i'm understanding it right because i know you want to fight. it is clear there are a lot of members of your democratic caucus that were willing to upend their lives to take part in this fight, but you have a situation where there's a deadline for republicans to get it done by september 5th, and then there's a possibility there could be another special session. having said all of that, there are also realities in the numbers, right? and the fact that you have a heavily republican legislature, are you saying that you're resigned to the fact that if there's going to be any hope for folks in texas it has to come at the federal level? >> well, both. i think that if there's going to be real hope, change, it comes from d.c. but it doesn't mean that our efforts are over in texas.
in fact, i would argue that over the last quorum breaks the bill, which is still really, really bad, it got a little bit better. there are four provisions that existed before that don't exist now. that's a direct consequence of the actions we're taking, so i feel like the more we fight, the more we do, the more we expose how bad the bill is and make republicans answer for what is in there and they don't always have good answers, that the bill improves. so there's still value in local -- to pushing as hard as we can. >> so i want to ask you a little bit about the covid fight as well because, as you know, the fda granted approval today for pfizer. you have had some disagreements on the democratic side, to say the least, with governor abbott. the fda approving gives presumably cities, counties, school districts now some leverage to fight against, to have vaccine mandates. where do you see this going? how important for you as someone
who represents your constituents in texas that the fda approval came through for pfizer today? >> it is incredibly important. you know that the governor is suing school districts for defying him and issuing mask mandates. yes, i'm a state representative, i represent the urban core of san antonio but i'm always a dad who sent his kid to public school for the first time this year in pre-k. so the idea you have administrators and school districts trying to make a safe environment for our children in the face of a governor who is trying to remove those protections, this news from the fda is incredibly important because it means that at a minimum, despite his efforts, we will have a safer environment than we did before. hopefully it improves beyond that, at a minimum as they go through the course with the mask mandate, at a minimum these vaccine mandates i think will help quite a bit. as a dad, as a parent, someone who believes in the science that's taught in the schools our kids are going to, it is very
welcome news. it is reassuring and we need to get on with it now. >> it is good to end on a positive note after what has been, to say the least,
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please, get your shot today. there is no time to waste. the delta variant is dangerous and spreading, causing a pandemic of the unvaccinated. that's the pandemic, of the unvaccinated. while we're starting to see initial signs that cases may be declining in a few places, nationwide cases are still rising, especially among the unvaccinated. across the country virtually all of the covid-19 hospitalizations and deaths continue to be among the unvaccinated. >> with today's news that the fda has fully approved the pfizer vaccine, another renewed push by president biden urging americans to get vaccinated. but the struggle against misinformation continues. just friday "the new york times" reported that facebook's most-viewed article in the beginning of this year was one
that raised doubts about the covid vaccine. now the voices on the right who helped to stoke some of the covid misinformation may not be able to stop what they've started. just take, for example, former president donald trump. booed by his own supporters at a rally in alabama saturday after encouraging vaccinations. joining us now, dr. peter hotez, codirector of the center of vaccine development at texas children's hospital and the dean of the national school of tropical medicine at baylor college of medicine, as well as author of the book "preventing the next pandemic." and charlie sykes, columnist and editor at large of "the bulwark." gentlemen, good to see you. you know, dr. hotez, we have been saying for a long time if we could just get fda approval it is going to convince a lot of the skeptics to get vaccinated, it is going to open up the doors for businesses to mandate vaccines. the president said today this is a key milestone, but do you see it potentially as a turning
point? >> i don't know if it is a turning point, chris. it certainly will help. i mean look at the numbers. we have about 80 million vaccine-eligible americans who are not vaccinated at all, and that's the reason why we have this horrible delta epidemic, especially in our south where our vaccination rates are the lowest, particularly among young people. so anything that will help fill that gap i think is important. you know, i think the fact that the vaccines are released for emergency use, hadn't been formally approved was an anti-vaccine talking point, but there's at least a dozen others. so i think a lot of the people who are resisting vaccines will just identify another one. so i think that kind of individual uptick i think is not going to happen all that much. maybe there will be a few million people who now get vaccinated. i think by far the bigger impact is going to be on the mandates, employer mandates, federal government mandates with the military. i think the one opportunity that we did lose is by not approving
the vaccine for the 12 to 15 year olds, only 16 and up. we lost opportunity around school mandates, which would have really helped a lot, especially in the south where things are really revving up. no question it is good news, no question it is a validation of the hard work of the fda, no question it will help with mandates. but in terms of people digging their heels in due to ideology or political allegiance, i think the impact will be modest. >> i'm curious to hear what you have to say charlie because 31% said if the fda approved they could change their mind. but then you have former president trump be booed when he brings up get vaccinated. are you in agreement with dr. hotez? do you see a bunch of these vaccine skeptics suddenly deciding to go get their shots? >> no, that's unlikely. i think we just on saturday
night when the former president got booed for suggesting vaccination, is that it is very hard to put crazy back in the box again. once you have released it it is hard to say, okay, we didn't mean that. we don't want you to take deworming medicine. but there's two different things here. changing minds and changing behavior, and this is where i agree with the doctor about this. i think that the fda approval might not change the minds of the skeptics, but it will open the door for more mandates. that might change behavior. i think much more dramatic than that, what i'm seeing is that these stories of people who refused vaccinations, who scoffed at the pandemic, who then get very, very sick and tragically die, this i think is moving people. i think that there are people who are looking at this and going, oh, my, this is the time to do it. i was heartened by one survey that suggested only 13% of americans are dead set against taking the vaccine. one other thing that's happening is i'm also sensing a political
shift. the rage of the responsible, people are just, you know, recognizing the threat that this pandemic of the unvaccinated is causing and that ""usa today's" poll, now that 17% of americans support vaccine mandates. that tells me something is going on. it won't convince everyone, but with more approvals, more mandates, more stories and i think more cultural and social pressure, i think we might actually see some more progress. >> we aren't convincing though, however, a lot of the folks on the right. i mean we know, too, that misinformation travels a lot faster than the truth, right? but now you have folks who are pushing this -- what is this? an anti parsitic drug used for livestock. look at this. >> we saw the use of ivermectin in india, we know it has worked. >> we know that the fda has fail
us in not allowing ivermectin. >> why can we not even consider possible alternatives to i guess what is endorsed by big pharma? >> the drug called ivermectin which can and is used around the world to prevent the spread of the coronavirus? >> i'm shocked, and listen, this is my business so i'm reading, they're never heard of regeneron or ivermectin. >> ivermectin which was off patent and nobody was making money because it is off patent, but it could have been a very important treatment for early days of covid. they took all of those posts down. is this the communist party's influence? >> well, listen, you are exactly right. >> now the communist party, dr. hotez, is keeping people from a drug that would help cure them from the coronavirus. can we be clear about this? ivermectin, there's absolutely no proof it can or should be used against coronavirus and the
fda has said don't take it. am i wrong here? >> well, more than that, we have strong evidence that it is not working and there's been multiple studies showing that. this is version 2.0 of hydroxychloroquine. so hydroxychloroquine was an anti-parasitic drug which this is as well. the irony, you know, the other hat i wear is my expertise in tropical diseases, leading policy and advocacy for that. i have probably been responsible with my colleagues for more ivermectin treatments globally for other paracytic worm infections than just about anyone, but guess what? it does not work against covid-19. what this is is nothing more than a badge, a badge of tribal allegiance to say you are in the ivermectin club. it is little more than that at this point, and it is extremely
damaging because you have people who believe and this is all coming from the political right, that if you take ivermectin it is as good as getting vaccinated, maybe even better because it will have fewer side effects and this nonsense. it is so damaging and so self-defeating. >> what do we do about it, charlie? is there anything we can do about it? i mean, you know, people made jokes about the bleach and they made jokes about, you know, putting some sort of uv lights inside of you and yet we saw situations where companies, the government had to put out statements saying, do not do this. what can be done? >> well, you can't fix stupid. then there are people who are completely immune to information as we have seen, but that montage that you just played is a devastating indictment of the folks at fox news who really do have blood on their hands in this particular case. this is malpractice at a basic
human level. it is one thing to push tribal politics. it is another thing to mislead millions of viewers in this way. you know, part of the cynicism is that, of course, we know that in the murdock empire all of these hosts are required to be vaccinated. there are mask mandates. so what they are saying and doing are dramatically different. but, you know, the question you are asking is one of the big challenges going forward in a number of different areas, is how do you combat disinformation, particularly with people who don't want to listen to anyone outside the alternative reality side they live in and in an environment where you have politicians and media folks who really do seem to be willing to spread any sort of lie or misinformation even after the cost of human life. so that's a very, very difficult question. all that we can do is those of us who are responsible, is to continue to push the truth, push
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quick two-day session, but they've got a pretty big goal to pass a budget resolution that unlocks a $3.5 trillion bill central to joe biden's legislative agenda. but a group of nine moderate democrats say they won't vote for the budget resolution unless infrastructure goes first. so it seems speaker pelosi may be stuck between a rock and a hard place with "punch bowl's" jake sherman breaking it down for us. think of the stalemate in the house this way. moderates say they need infrastructure before budget, progressives sea think won't take infrastructure before budget because they want to see how the budget turns out. let's bring in nbc news capitol hill correspondent garrett haake and charlie sykes is back with us. garrett, i think there's action right now on the hill. tell us what is going on and the stakes here for joe biden. >> reporter: sure. i will take jake's explanation a little bit further. the bottom line is the two wings of the democratic party each want a little bit of leverage over the other, progressives
holding out support on the infrastructure part of it to make sure they get everything they need in the reconciliation bill. moderates wanting to make sure they get the infrastructure bill across the line. they're worried that the progressives won't support it if they get everything else they want on the other side. so you are in this standoff here, and the person who has got to figure out a way out of it is speaker pelosi. she has been steadfast that she is with the progressives on this. she wants to vote on both of these things, but she wants to do budget resolution first, then pass both of them together when they're eventually done. she has run a very public pressure campaign, i think is a fairway of describing it, releasing letters that show that she's in line with the president on this, really trying to make it clear the moderates on their own. she spoke to reporters a short time ago outside her office. she says she has spoken with at least some members of the moderate night led by josh gottheimer, the co-chair of the problem solvers caucus which is why folks might recognize his
name. one of the ideas floated here apparently is something called a deeming resolution, which i won't get too technical here if i can avoid it but basically allows what is normally two procedural votes, a vote on a rule and a vote on the budget resolution, to be combined into just one vote which gives the moderates a technical off ramp to say they didn't vote for the budget, they voted for the rule and it is all passed. it is not clear to me the moderates will take this, but democrats are trying to find some way to get this resolution issue solved, preferably sooner rather than later to go back on recess tomorrow. >> a lot is ramping up. i saw there was an ad taken out against these progressives, this new ad calling them obstructionists, you know, these nine democrats. i just wonder what the chances are that this gets done, sort of what is the feeling in the halls of congress? >> reporter: i ran into a house republican today, somebody who doesn't obviously really have any say in this, right? this is a democratic-only measure who told me -- and it is
a person who has been around a long time, that he's not betting against speaker pelosi on this. she's the best vote counter in the business right now. she tends to find a way to get people what they want to get these kinds of things across the finish line. the other problem that the moderates have here is have is they are super glued to joe biden on basically every other issue. they need joe biden to be popular, they need his agenda to pass, and do they really want to be the ones blocking it. i think the question that progressives are posing to them given that they are joe biden democrats for the most part, those are the cards that speaker pelosi has to play here, whether she's got more cards that i can't see is probably a decent bet, but we'll find out in the next 24 hours or so. >> the way the nine see it, charlie, and they wrote a long op-ed in "the washington post," i will read a small part of it, you don't hold up a major priority of the country and millions of jobs as some form of leverage. the infrastructure bill is not a
political football. you're a keen observer of all things on the hill. where do you see this going? >> i also wouldn't bet against nancy pelosi, but this would be a very bad time for democrats to sail into the iceberg, to torpedo joe biden's domestic agenda at the same time he is struggling with his foreign agenda, and the moderates are making a point. look, the democratic majority in the house is dependent not on progressives, it is dependent on centers. what they're arguing is look, take the win. we have a trillion billion, delay tends to kill the bill. what they would turn it around and say, it is the progressives that are holding it hostage, saying they're not going to approve this very popular piece of legislation that got 19 republican votes in the senate unless they get approval for the undefying $3.5 trillion proposal. so their point is look, we have
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