tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC August 31, 2021 12:00am-1:00am PDT
thank you for being with us. on behalf of all my colleagues at the network of nbc news. good night. good night tonight, on all in. >> i'm here to announce the completion of our withdrawal from afghanistan. >> america's longest war is now officially over. >> the military mission is over, and the diplomatic mission has begun. >> tonight, with the endings for america, for the taliban, and millions of citizens of afghanistan. then, search and rescue operations continue on the golf, desperate hours for hospitals already overwhelmed by a pandemic. plus, >> i don't know if i spoke to him in the morning. i just don't know. i don't know what when those commissions happen. >> well we're now learning about jim jordan's multiple
conversations with the president on january six, and why the select committee is taking his phone records, and how the unhinge response of public health measures during the pandemic is taking a very dark turn. >> i'm gonna speak in front of the school board, and i'm gonna give them an option, they can leave or they can be removed. >> it all starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. on september 26 2001, almost 20 years ago, 15 days after the u.s. was attacked on 9/11, a dozen cia operatives landed in northern afghanistan. their mission was to lay the groundwork for the u.s. invasion of the taliban -controlled country. since that, day for nearly two straight decades, there has been an american military presence in afghanistan. until today, this afternoon, america's longest war was brought to a close.
>> i'm here to announce the completion of our withdrawal from afghanistan, and the end of the military mission to evacuate american citizens, foreign country nationals, and vulnerable afghans. the last c-17 lifted off from hammond karzai international airport, on august three, this afternoon, at 3:29 pm, east coast time. and the last manned aircraft is now clearing the air space above afghanistan. >> and so many, ways the u.s. military's exit from afghanistan has been as wrenching and morally fraught as the occupation. there's been a continuity between the two. last, week after the fall of the country, and as the u.s. withdrawal continues, and attack near the airport in kabul killed 13 u.s. service members, and more than 100 afghans civilians. isis-k, nfl till the islamic state, claimed responsibility. presidential biden and first lady jill biden pay the respects to the falling yesterday.
joining their families for the dignified transfer. on top of that brutal, loss came the news of our retaliation. in response to that act of mass murder, that u.s. military launched a drone strike, targeting an islamic straight car bomb that central command said both an imminent threat to the airport. that strike killed ten afghan civilians, according to family members. all ten were extended family, and several were small children. and afghan joins told the bbc that family were playing to come to the united states on special immigrant visas. >> the family, we're expecting an siv, they have received a call to come to the airport, and that's why there's so many people in the airport. they have all relocated to that location, and are waiting to leave. and this is something that the neighbors and the families kept saying that, if you're willing to give them a visa to come to your country, how could you end up killing them?
and accusing them of being daesh. >> the pentagon says they're being quote not in a position to dispute those reports, and there are investigating. this is precisely the horrifying moral truth of the entire war. where there was initially justified, not all crazily, by the fact that the taliban did indeed harbor a man who had pulled of the most lethal terrorist attack on u.s. soil. i wore punctuated by unspeakable violence, effect waited often by american stewart afghans, often afghan civilians. a war with an aim of propping up an independent afghan government that fell in the matter of days. a war that has now ended with the return of taliban. for all the arguments happening now, the moral shortcomings of the u.s. military exit, and the afghans left behind. i'm reminded of is saying, the best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. the second best time is now. the best time to leave
afghanistan was years ago, but the second best time is now. now, it is done. that does not mean of course this is the end of the story by any means. afghanistan remains a country, where nearly 40 million people are facing dire circumstances. the u.s. are gone, the taliban are in charge. and the economic future is very much -- are indeed a vicious faction infamous for the violent mayhem of their misogyny particularly. it was of course the member of the taliban who shot a young girl named malala you sassy and ahead because she advocated for education of girls. and now, the taliban are back in power over 20 years with the state to run. they claim women will be allowed to attend universities, as long as their studies are online with the taliban's interpretation of islamic law. they also must win state after
20 years as militants. the last time around it didn't go very well. in fact, the lack of international support -- helped pave the way for their objection from power, and so, perhaps it is not actually that surprising that the taliban did in fact cooperate with united states military, for security purposes over the last couple of weeks. the biden menstruation got a lot of flak about quote on quote trusting the taliban. but it is a fact they were in a position where they could have killed a lot of u.s. troops, and a lot of civilians. they did not. that tenuous partnership with the taliban, the u.s. military was able to pull off one of the largest airlift in history, evacuated more than 120,000 people, since last month. and incredible is tickle it shipment. tens of thousands of afghan refugees have now touchdown in countries around the world, from qatar, to albania, to hear the united states. they're hoping to find somewhere to rebuild their lives in safety.
and so, here we stand. and you chapter for afghanistan. and you chapter for us. it is the fact that ending this or white or other of result that no one had prior to president biden. it required standing up to the vast establishment, and confronting american opinion. joe biden has done that. the actual evacuation of u.s. troops has finally happened. well there is very little joy to finding any of this long painful story of the actual end of this war, this is a remarkable thing. a téa about, we is a former correspondent for msnbc. she spent five years in afghanistan was. and retired army colonel andrew base of it, off of the book after the a cop lips america's role in the world transformed. he wrote about why we lost in afghanistan. they both join me, now. colonel, let me start with you,
on your feeling now on this day, you've written much about the war on terror, much about the u.s. overseas war over the last two decades, did the president to the right thing? >> i think there's no question about that. prolonging the war beyond 20 years would not have served any purpose at least not have served any american interest so this day had to come. it's sad, disturbing that evacuation had to occur the way it did. ill planned, ill managed with more u.s. casualties. although as you correctly, said at the end of, the day it is a remarkable achievement. that, said, i would insist that the real story here is not what has happened over the past two weeks or so. but when that happened over the past 20 years. we failed.
we embarked upon a major effort to build a nation, to create a legitimate government, to build an army that would defend afghanistan. we failed on every count, a costly failure, in terms of blood and money. therefore, it seems to me that the at the moment is to ask the question how did this happen? what do we need to do to make sure doesn't happen again? >> a téa, you were in afghanistan for years during this war, if you pointed out today the final closing chapter in which isis committed this act of savage mass murder, killing hundreds of civilians and u.s. service members, a strike by the u.s. that appears to have taken out children, civilians is one small chapter happening and kabul of a war,
of a cycle that has happened over 20 years, often remote areas. >> well, i think that one thing that we do need to realize the war might be over technically for the u.s., but the war is not over for the afghans it's not over to the taliban either. as you mention, isis khorasan is an enemy of the taliban. in fact, some of them were members of the taliban we might even see members of the taliban going over to isis-k, and there is a vacuum that's been left behind. 20 years, there has been a lot of failures, and a lot of blame to go around, but there's also been a lot of success, a lot of afghans who relied on the u.s. and nato mission there, on their partners there. that vacuum is going to be filled, we don't really know, we assumed the taliban. we assume that the taliban there showing on a good front, but they're divided in their own ways. they are terrified right now of
not being able to form a proper government, not being able to provide for the people, and really the infighting that's going to take place. afghanistan has been known for its past war lords and the different factions infighting as you mentioned. and we're seeing a new group of so-called war lords, or powerbrokers, they're going to try to fill that vacuum, and try to take that power from different members of the taliban regime. >> colonel, why do you think it took this long for us to get at this point. it is striking when you think about the u.s., how long it's been a nation, how many military gauge means it has been involved in, that this is on the books, the longest war we have fought. why? >> i think we have a hard time as a nation confronting some very uncomfortable facts. with the end of the cold war, we dropped ourselves the indispensable nation.
we declared that history has ended. we concluded that the future was gonna be our future. liberal democracy was going to try and everywhere. there was plenty of evidence before 9/11 that this was not in the cards. but 9/11 really drove the point home. and, so we embarked upon this enormous rally, cold the global war on terrorism, to give the lie to those facts. to try to demonstrate that yes, we were indeed the indispensable nation, the one and only superpower and the wars in iraq and afghanistan together, really demonstrate the extent of the fallout, and i think they call upon us today to rethink who we are, as a people, as a nation. where we fit in the global order. to move to that is more
restrained perhaps, in the use of military power, and it doesn't fancy than the rest of the world is gonna be remade in our image that's the real source of the. probably there been so many stories awful stories about folks that are trying to get out. people have worked with u.s. forces. students and the american university in kabul. one thing i had a hard time getting my head around when they say 122,000 folks who got, out blinken saying, close to 100, probably 100 and 200 americans left. there what is the universe of folks in afghanistan, who would say, qualify for the visa, who wanted to get out. when we have our arms around, about what their lives look like right now? >> there are a lot of people left behind. i'm in contact with green card holders, who have been left behind. who had gotten their greek card by being candidates for the
visa, there are people qualified for visas that are terrified for their. lives are's a woman who's a lawyer, whose father was a colonel in the afghan army, who has bullet holes throughout her wall outside of her house, because they are trying to scare heard her mother and her younger siblings. it's a terrifying experience, that's left there. and i should also note, it's a traumatic experience for the afghans clearly, it's also a traumatic experience for our u.s. service members, who spent time. there are diplomats who spent time there. and american civilians and international civilians who spent time there, because we are seeing some of their people, many of their people many of the people relied on it help keep them alive while they were in afghanistan, and they are terrified that their lives will be lost and they were able to help, them i talked to the service members, i've talked to these diplomats. it's a horrible horrible feeling. and we need to keep that in mind, and this really heavy day,
especially those service members who already suffered from ptsd. i would like to say, if you know a friend, a family member, a family who has lost a level, and please reach out to them. especially today in the coming days. because it's a hurtful time. and we need to remember that. >> thank you both for joining me tonight. i really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> the intersection of the pandemic and climate, change a hurricane supercharged by the hot waters in the warm gulf, and the hospitals are already full of covid patients who could not be evacuated, the latest on the situation in louisiana is next. e situation in louisiana is next.
landfall in louisiana, as a category four storm. 150 mile an hour wind. it was the fifth strongest landfall in the history of the entire continental u.s.. although ida has now weakened to a tropical depression, it brought gusts, powerful enough to tear the roof off a hospital. and send debris barreling forward. torrential rain caused danger is widespread flooding. here's the view outside a fire station in st. bernard parish. wear the same area just one hour later. completely submerged. rescue efforts are now underway in this state. teams are using trucks and boats to navigate flooded neighborhoods. some armed with chainsaws to clear debris trap to people in their homes. 1 million people are without power right now as a result of
incidents like this. we're in electrical tower was left utterly crumpled by the storm. it could take days or weeks even for power to be fully restored. it's obviously ominous in terrible for a number. reasons -- there's also the reality of the coronavirus which has been ravaging louisiana. one icu doctors and nurses were forced to manually pump air into patients lungs, after a generator failure caused ventilators to shut down. powering reminder that the virus does not pause for natural distractions. medical professionals are left balancing a once in a century pandemic on top of a changing climate. which meets extreme weather events more common in more dangerous. this reporter is a pulitzer prize-winning journalist, in a masterful account called five days of memorial. which is about the aftermath of hurricane katrina in one new orleans hospital. and she joins me now.
this is sharon something that you have written about for decades now. i think it's fair to say, first let's start with how hospitals appear to be holding up in the area that was struck so far. >> yes, unfortunately this is a pattern, and i have been waiting about it for a long time, and i should say then i'm just starting a book on covid, so i'm down here mostly for that. quickly people are filing my missing colleagues who are all out through the region with the times, in what they're finding. and what i've been hearing as well. as i've been speaking to doctors, hospital staff, listening to the press conferences, and speaking to people is that hospitals have had problems. we have hospitals in the bayou area, which is southwest of new orleans. they have had to evacuate a number of them. one of them was irregular to
hospital. as you pointed out. covid is making this much more difficult. the governor stated ahead of the storm, that hospitals would not be evacuating patients. often they do ahead of the storm for the most part they did not. there were not hospitals that had the capacity to take them. today i spoke with one hospital official, in baton rouge, who is preparing to take patience, from the general hospital in the home area. he said they inform the state, we will take those patients and make room, but we need staff. because of the covid pandemic, their staff is just already overstretched, so they want staff to a arrive with the patients. so these are some of the concerns. in the power outages, in many hospitals are operating on backup power. they have already had as you mentioned, difficulty with those generators, you have seen that over and over again in many storms, in the governor today recognize that this is a high priority, because they can
fail, they're not, they don't hold up for a long periods of time often. so this is a big issue. >> i also want to bring in a pediatrician on the ground, in new orleans. doctor, tell me what you're hearing from fellow doctors, there and how things are looking generally in new orleans right now. >> people are a little bit frustrated. it's the trifecta. people still have ptsd from hurricane katrina, and then covid-19 with the hospital shortages. and now, with hurricane ida. it's almost like déjà vu all over, again and that is a real problem, because not only is it just a physical issue. where people are very sick, but it's also a mental issue where people are trying to escape, there starting to drink a lot of, alcohol starting to, smoke and then what happens is they're not going to be able to have any ability to leave the, city because there is not gas, there's not electricity, so there in hot houses, they're dehydrated from drinking, and
then they don't get enough water, and then the end up in the hospital, and that's, they can't even go to the hospital, was. >> it seems to me a key issue here is the timeline for power restoration. the one time that i have been in a serious storms aftermath, which was hurricane irma in florida, it was so apparent, that 12 hours without power, 24 hours, not great, and you start to push out to three days, particularly in a hot, play she really start to run up against some real limitations for people's health and security,. >> this is so true. it's not just the hospitals, and by the way some of those, do not have their air conditioning systems attached to the backup power, so it's exactly as you, said a real threat to patients when it gets hot, but really the many people at home, including many people at home with covid, who are being treated with oxygen,
those are the real priority now. and we have seen that over and over again, in hospitals it's easy to focus on, them but many people live at home, with medical equipment that rely on power. it needs to be outreach to these individuals, who may need assistance. >> doctor, it talks about the ptsd of katrina 16 years ago, and i wonder obviously the levees here of, held as far as we know, which is of course massively important. as we saw 16 years ago. if there have been hardening, hardening of the infrastructure, in terms of having a city and medical infrastructure better prepared this time around, then it would've been 16 years ago. >> yes and i really do feel like even though the medical infrastructure right now is fragile, because of covid-19, it is much better than it was 16 years, ago because we had a loss of life that was over
three or 400, people in the hospital settings, because they were not prepared, they deny have generators, now at least we do have generators, but, what's happening, doctors are frustrated, they're having to move patients that really need care, and mostly unvaccinated people that are in the hospital admitted, doctors are frustrated, but the patients, the people are frustrated too, and the reason why is because, this is actually a superspreader event, in the reason why, is because if you have let your guard down, you're frustrated, you're upset, the last thing you're gonna want to do is, sit in your house, and wear a mask with all of your family members around huddled, because it's hierarchy of needs at this point, that's going to make the delta variant spread even more, so in that is a real problem. >> do you think sherrie, in terms of physical parts of the hospital, do you also talked about the staffing, issue this is something that i've just been hearing more and more, both in louisiana and florida,
there is a real, we're hitting a real crunch here, and i can imagine, when you mix in folks they have evacuated, health care workers that have evacuated, in the staffing shortage, in these sort of capacity hospitals, that has to be a real front of my concern, in the medical community in the entire area. >> this is so so true. i spent much of the last year and a, half reporting from the same hospitals, and the staff are tired, we've been hearing these stories, they are just so demoralized. set horrible feeling of now being treated as pointed out, people who have been vaccinated, who most likely have not been critically ill if they had been. so preventable illnesses. and there are severe staff shortages. which are very very true. one interesting thing that was mentioned yesterday, the governor mentioned, is that the state, because of this terrible shortage, and they have just had their worst covid wave to
date, a fourth wave was the worst, the numbers are real stereo high. they had contracted additional medical staff, to arrive, but they couldn't arrive because they were supposed to come the day before the storm. and the government said there were calls for them, it adds to the difficulty. doctor, according to some reports, there is 100 patients that were transferred from one hospital. the ceo of the health care system hospitals in ruling said that, their buildings have roof damage. do you know at least, are folks in safe buildings now? at the very least? in terms of as we get more information on what happened and after the storm. >> yes, they were transported by ground transportation, mostly and they are in safe areas right now. those patients were now critically ill patients, but once again, it's very disheartening, when you have to
do, that when you have to move a patient, that is an ivy, fluid that is requiring dialysis. this makes it all the much worse, when it comes to looking at this, in a microcosm of why is this happening, all the time. infrastructure must be built, so it's not like you can have levies, hold but you don't have electricity, or you can have electricity but that levies don't hold. this is not a golf game. it's not like you're driving in you're not putting in the same. this is real life and we have to do better. >> doctor, cheri, thank, you stay safe down, there were all thinking about everyone in the storms path. turning to the investigation into the january 6th insurrection, one mystery, may be solved. >> on january six, did you speak with him before, during, or after the capital was attacked? , >> i spoke with him that day, after. i think after. i don't know if i spoke with
them in the morning or. now i just don't know. i'd have to go back. i don't know when those conversations happened. >> after months of this, we finally had some inkling about what jim jordan was talking to donald trump about. as rioters from the capital. that's next. capital. that's next. hey, i just got a text from my sister. you remember rick, her neighbor? sure, he's the 76-year-old guy who still runs marathons, right? sadly, not anymore. wow. so sudden.
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reporter from spectrum news ohio, interviewed republican congressman jim jordan, a week after speaker nancy pelosi a veto it is appointment of january six committee. it's truly amazing and great about this interview, is how polite but persistent the reporter is, in all of his questions, and he doesn't get confused, he stays focused, in how shady an dodgy congressman jordan is when responding. >> first off, yes or no, did you speak with president trump on january six,. >> yes i spoke with the president last.
week i spoke to him on january. six i mean i talk with president trump all the time. i don't think that's unusual, i would expect members of congress, to talk with the president of the united states, when they are trying to get done the things they told the voters in the district to do. i'm actually kind of amazed sometime they keep asking. this of course i talked him last week. >> on january, six did you speak with him before, during or after the capitol attacks? >> i spoke with him that day, after? i don't know if i spoke with him in the morning or not. i just don't know. i have to go back. i don't know about that, when this conversation happened. but, what i know is i spoke with him all the time. >> that's almost a full minute, of congressman jim jordan just squirming, as he's unable to answer this very simple question. did you speak to donald trump on the day of the insurrection. he did not stop. they're the porter pressed
jordan about a number of, topics including whether he's involved in planning the trump rally, the mourning the attack on the capitol. >> did you ever take part in any meetings or discussions about the trump event, the rally down at the white house. that was being planned ahead of time? >> i wasn't at the rally. i didn't go, i didn't attend the event. >> did you help plan it at all or were you involved in discussions? >> and that's their political team, i'm not sure who planned, but i didn't. >> the reporter also pressed jim jordan on what congressman liz cheney said about possibly calling him before the select committees material witness. new reporting shows congressman jordan, was on the phone with donald trump that day. and you would not believe what they were discussing. >> next. next.
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office, through the windows, and mccarthy, begged trump to stop them from over running the capitol. mccarthy was not the only person who pleaded with trump on the phone call, to call off the attack. political is now reporting that's lawmakers were evacuating and say, from congressman jim jordan of ohio, was joined by congressman matt gates of florida, together they quote, implored trump to tell supporters to stand down. per source with the knowledge of that call. when asked about the call by political is olivier beavers, jordan responded, i definitely spoke that a president that day, i don't recall, i know is more than once. i just don't recall the times. he is getting very good at that hug. then january six committee, this raises new important questions, did leader mccarthy know about this, colony tried to point jordan's opinion, in will the committee called, jordan given there now in the center of the insurrection timeline. olivia beavers, the woman who
broke this story, -- also cohost of the sisters and legal podcast as well as msnbc legal analyst, they both join me now. olivia, if you could sort of flush out you reporting, hear about what we know about this phone call. when it happened, what may or may not have been said in. >> certainly chris. we know when they were evacuated from the house chamber, they essentially went to this backroom, where congressman jordan, took his cell phone, in patched him with president trump, in matt gates participated in that phone call, in which source of knowledge says that they basically were telling trump, that he had to tell his followers to stand down. the source declined to say what trump said in response. what was not included in the report, is that i was also told, that this source knew there were also other foreign calls made to mark meadows after these phone calls. we're kind of getting some
clues and details, into how trump's allies were basically reaching out to the white house, as people were trying to break into the capital building. it raises more questions, about what these conversations in what the nature of the issue is. in whether or not they were allies, in whether or they were trying to call trump and say please say something. >> i want to sort of make the subtext the text for a moment. then joyce i will turn to you on a legal question, but to follow up, olivia the one theory, we've all seen jordan's performance, i think as you reported you have a pretty good knows when fatalities tissues don't answer a question. you don't have to be a professional reporter to see that in jim jordan, he's been very squirrelly. i think one theory was like oh is no complicit in this. or is cheering it on. but i'm interested in your reporting. it's not definitive yet. but it's the opposite, he, like all sensible people, we're saying, dude. call off the dogs. that are at our doors.
and he doesn't want people to know that, because if they know, that that implies that he understood, as matt gates did, in any one half a brain, that the president was obviously responsible in some ways, for them being there. >> absolutely. the suggestion is that they were trying to say, this is banning you need to get involved. that was the message to the president that they had. and as to whether or not the president responded, we still don't know, but there were frantic phone calls being made. and they are placing these phone calls, away from other members, to try to employ him to get him to get involved. we saw that speech that he made hours later, that was basically reluctant, hesitant in far too late. we know he did eventually speak, but now in these phone calls were being placed. >> he said i love you after they bashed a bunch of cops brains and. i want to ask you legal question, this is fastening dream for, me this is nbc news reporting that the community will ask for companies
republican lawmakers. records records of colorado, jim borden, -- marjorie taylor greene, jody hice, scott perry, and usual suspects there. what do you think about that request. what's legal status, it's going to have, in how much of a fight is that going to be? >> there is a larger question here, because the legal issue, that's unresolved chris, is whether a committee like this can subpoena a number of congress. for testimony. in these records are little bit different from testimony itself. but certainly we should expect to see, these members try to delay the committees process. by challenging in court whether there is some sort of extended speech or debate clause protection for these records. spoiler alert, i don't think that there is. i think the law is pretty well established, that not everything that a member of congress does is done in their
official speech and debate clause capacity. and we have this interesting take from doj, in the civil lawsuit, filed against mo birx and the former president and others. where doj talks about conduct, that is outside the official function. because it is affixed electioneering, one might think that an insurrection might be out of the congress person's official scope of responsibilities. these subpoenas can go forward, the information that the house committee will get, is probably pretty limited. it will let them see which numbers were calling, other numbers. and that may help them devise a strategy, for which witnesses they actually wish to call to speak, and take testimony from in person. >> just a follow-up and what i just said to, olivia we saw during the inauguration rate, during the second impeachment, that there was, the case presented, the theory that, if
you have people calling the president to say call if the dogs, the obvious logical until mid of that is he thinks he controls the dogs, air go he's responsible for them. and if you show more members of congress doing this, it just further bolsters that view of the responsibility, whether it's just unethical or illegal responsibility. >> so here we are talking about political accountability. as opposed to what may be happening of the street from congress, in the justice department. where they could have an investigation into criminal responsibility. in terms of creating a public record, i think you're absolutely right, because if members of congress are treating the former president, as though he had control of the mob, that gives you an awful lot of in, say into what they believed, and it's important to put people on the record, under oath, because something we haven't talked enough about, the work in this house select committee, is that its goal is to build a historical record,
that people can rely on, nothing says reliability like putting people under oath. >> great point, final question, in my, right olivia, you're -- jordan in trump on that day? >> that's when jordan told me when i asked him about his phone call with. gates he said he doesn't recall when, but he recalls that he had multiple conversations, and then he sort of goes, well it would make sense to have all those phone calls, what happened in that room where they were evacuated. so he didn't directly confirm, but one other point i want to quickly make, i've had a few sources saying, he keeps saying i don't recall. you could just go back and look at the record. so you can start filling in those, blanks if you really wanted to. >> it's a great point, thank you both. up next, more public officials personally threatened for doing their jobs. >> this is --
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the department of education's office for civil, writes that it opened investigations into five states. they have barred schools from requiring masks among students and staff. iowa, oklahoma, south carolina, tennessee, utah. this investigation is happening amid fears and backlash to mask mandates across the country. backlash that is growing more and more intimidating in menacing, in nature. a few weeks ago and will evens tony tennessee, protesters surrounded and harassed public health if issues, leaving a school board meeting. with one man telling in official, we have know who you are, you can leave freely, but
we will find you, yesterday there was this terrifying display. as the los angeles city council, looks into approved vaccination mandate. it was put on by a comic in server in a beverly hills restaurant, turned anti mask and anti-vaccine organizer. >> list of all the council people's homes, that are pushing on the vaccine mandate. whoever votes yes, we're coming to your door. we're coming to your home. you want to feel intimidated. you want to intimidate, asked were coming to you now. civil war is coming people. get your guns. >> i think he says civil war is coming people. telling people he's going to come to their door. a pretty unmistakable threat that he's offering there, yesterday at a rally in harrisburg pennsylvania, this man, steve lynch, a republican candidate for northampton county executive, any floated this plan for local school boards. >> forget going into the school boards, you go into school boards to remove them.
that's what you do. they don't follow the law, they don't follow the law. you go in a new remove. i'm going in there were 20 strong, men ago in front of the school, board i'll give them an option, they can lever they can be removed. >> this woman is a -- she joins me now. i thought of you, writ when i saw that clip. i thought a fairly distinct articulation of, it's not fascism in an authoritarian violent world is, you don't go in there with data, you go in there with 20 strongmen, and you essentially threatened them to leave. that's kind of in a nutshell. in democracies we argue about stuff. we try to persuade people, and in other places, you go in with quote 20 strongmen. >> that's, right these people see themselves as warriors, and it's the trump in bannon planned to take back the country, and they're doing it, board by, board town by town. and schools are going are
always in interest to authoritarian, because they are forming the minds of the next generation. but as for the message. yes democracy is about compromise, and consensus politics, but these people, have learned, from trump, that if somebody doesn't agree with you, you threatened them into silence, or you like them, up or you beat them up. and it just shows how much democracy incivism via he has eroded in this country. after four years of trump. >> i have to, say i'm unnerved in disgusted by how comfortable people seem making explicit threats, in public. this is, i just want to show this, i referred to it before. i want to show with these public health workers in tennessee got out of a meeting, and got in their cars, this is what they faced. >> we know who you are. we know you are. you can leave freely. but we can find you. we know who you are. we know who you are. i know you are.
>> again, that is achieving your political objectives, through other means essentially, means other than speech and debate honestly, but to try to intimidate, people so that they essentially, submit. >> the key is that they feel empowered. this was doubly frightening. they don't care, because they feel protected, by their peers and by the law. this is why accountability is so important. and not only do we have so many examples of trump saying things like, oh in the old days you could beat people up and get away with it. authoritarianism is all about getting away with it. and actually altering the laws so violence is protected. authoritarianism is when thugs and criminals, become the lawmakers. so, this is a terrifying trend. but it's the result of a lack of accountability, and we talk about january 6th, and the lack of prosecutions, in this is
which you get. >> you can see, you can see in these images, you can see that kind of red faced almost bloodlust, that is in that instrument of these folks. and i have seen tons of footage like this. and that individual mr. lynch, and then you have, you have the sort of crowd, kind of asking for, it in the leaders of essentially a courage-ing or wink wink nudge flirting with. here's madison cawthorn, a republican member of congress, facing a crowd and seeing some really disturbing stuff. and you know, kind of going along. >> the big problem, is we don't actually know all the political prisoners are. if we were actually be able to go and try to bust them out, and let me tell you, the reason why they have taken these political prisoners, is they're trying to make an example. to say they don't want to see the mass protests going on in washington. the -- us continue to be stolen. it will lead to one place and
that's bloodshed. as much as i'm willing to defend liberty at all costs, there's nothing that i enjoyed doing more than having to pick up arms against a fellow american. >> when he's talking about the political prisoners, he's been asked about the people facing legal consequences for their participation in the insurrection, he's asked about busting them out, any than, says if our election continues to be rigged, you will end up with, bloodshed and then he talks about how much he really does not want to have to take up arms against fellow americans. but that sort of hangs over as a possibility. i don't know, that's not good. >> now. and here's what's, this is propaganda, and he's mentioning it for a reason, he's getting it out there in the public sphere, because fascist movements, have to work hard to get people to see violence differently, to get them to see violence is something positive, and as saving the nation, as freedom fighters, and this is
what the gop is doing, it's all terrifying. >> ruth, thank you so much for your time tonight. i appreciate. it that is all in on this monday night. the rachel maddow shows right now. good evening rachel. >> it. the british invaded afghanistan in 1839. they were in charge in india right next door. their reach as the british empire extended around the world. they were worried that the regime in charge in afghanistan in the 1830s. they are worried that they were siding with russia instead of them, giving russia too much influence in a place where britain thought they should be in charge. so in 1839, the brits invaded afghanistan. they tried to install their own guy who they had hand-picked to run afghanistan who they thought