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it's 4:00 p.m. in new york. i'm chris jansing in for nicolle wallace. the president is in louisiana right now surveying damage from hurricane ida which hit the gulf coast five days ago. but the recovery from the storm has been, to say the least, difficult. 800,000 homes and businesses still without power and many communities are increasingly low on food, fuel and other supplies. here is president biden just a short time ago with a commitment to help the region get back on its feet. >> i'm mainly here to listen, to hear what's on your mind. there's nothing political about this. it's about getting people back up and running. rural, city, coastal, inland and i promise we're going to have your backs until this gets done.
>> the mid-atlantic and northeast are trying to recover from unprecedented flooding as well as tornadoes in the aftermath of ida. a new abc news/"washington post" poll shows a drop in the president's approval rating. 44% of americans say they approve of how he's handling his job. 51% disapprove. also, new data points to a slowdown in job creation. the labor department says some 235,000 jobs were added in augment economists expected more than 700,000 new hires. the unemployment rate is down slightly now at 5.2%. there's increased concern the delta variant is taking a toll on the economy. this comes as long-term unemployment benefits are set to expire this weekend. this morning before his trip to louisiana the president spoke
about the state of the economy. >> there's no question the delta variant is why today's job report isn't stronger. it has brought america out of an economic free fall. the second thing that has to happen in september is for the congress. the house and senate to pass the job of passing my economic agenda so we can keep up the historic momentum. >> with that let's bring in our leadoff guest, eugene daniels co-author of politico playbook. cynthia oxney of the justice department and rick stengel from the obama administration. and former managing editor of "time" magazine. good to see all of you as we're go to get into the holiday weekend. look, eugene, the president has had, and this might be
understating it, a rough and challenging couple of weeks. he's closing them out now in louisiana where the recovery from ida plans to be long and difficult. first, start us off with what the thinking inside the white house is about the president's trip today. >> the thing they wanted to show is the president is on the job. anytime the white house, any white house, is having as much happening as they have happening right now all of the issues, the crises they are dealing with, this is a chance to show the president being presidential out in public talking about the way he's going to help the american people and to continue to pitch the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill saying look at the climate change around us, the issues that have happened. we can help fix some of this. it's a way to sell things.
they are laser focused like when it comes to afghanistan, when it comes to the scotus and abortion rights. to climate change and infrastructure. their focus is laser on what is going to happen next. they are not worried -- they say they're not worried about the ups and downs of his approval rating. they think that's going to bounce back up if they can get the economy going, can get coronavirus and delta under control. all of those aspects that are hard to do dealing with so much incoming. >> so much incoming. one after another after another. we did hear from the president about the texas abortion ban. take a listen. >> the most pernicious thing
about the texas law it creates a vigilante system. and it just seems almost un-american. i am not certain -- i was told there are possibilities within the existing law to have the justice department look and see whether there are things that can be done that can limit the independent action of individuals. >> cynthia, as you see it what's the likelihood they could do to blunt the impact of this new law? >> i think the best thing is to have federal legislation protecting a woman's right to choose. the time has come. this is a big domino and they are going to fall. texas setting up this vigilante justice and some states with crazy governors, like my state of florida, may copy it.
we'll have this vigilante system and after that the mississippi case is coming and it will be argued this term. there's a real push to overturn roe v. wade. and next the next domino, there are 11 states that have what are called trigger laws and that means, in this case, a trigger law is if x happens then y definitely happens. so the trigger laws for roe v. wade, if roe is overturned then abortion will be illegal in our states. if the supreme court overturns roe v. wade, 11 states, women will not have a right to control their own bodies. so i really think while the doj has to look at that as an option, it's time for the congress to act. we've been waiting a long time as second class citizens, quite frankly, not to have control over our bodies and rely on the supreme court, and it's time for congress to legislate our federal right. >> and it's something nancy pelosi is already talking about.
in the meantime, rick, there's also afghanistan and the withdrawal that has contributed to the drop in biden's overall approval rating for the first time in his presidency it's net negative in the new abc poll. strong support for withdrawing forces but majority disapproval of how it was handled. something we've known. is that going to stay baked into his disapproval rating among independents where he's losing a lot of support and with unease whether afghanistan will become a breeding ground for terrorism? or could he come out on the other side, and if so, how? >> i think it's temp rather and i would even quarrel with the nature of the question in the sense of was it the withdrawal that contributed to his dawn ward move in the polls or the relentlessly negative coverage of the withdrawal that contributed to his downward movement in the polls?
i would say it was the latter. i expect and admire it but much more of a point of view in journalism these days. and i thought there was a lot of point of view journalism during the evacuation that contributed to the perception that the biden administration wasn't ready and reckon with the fact 120,000 people got out in a ten-daytime. so i think it's temporary. >> and i don't want to get into an argument about journalism, but i will say this which is the american people are able to look at the pictures they saw and judge for themselves. to listen to veterans, many of whom were critical of the president, and they do seem to be able to differentiate. there's no question they wanted out. is it -- was it up to the
president to be able to convince them, which he clearly tried to do in his speech to help them to understand why he did what he did and why, as he argued, that some level of chaos was inevitable? >> i would say back to you chris, how many times was afghanistan mentioned on msnbc today outside of the fact that it hurt the president's poll ratings? there's no coverage of what's going on in afghanistan it's only how it affected his poll rating. next week if there's no poll, there will be little coverage and it will go into the rear-view mirror. if you're asking me will this still be on people's minds six months from now, two years from now, it will be in the back of their minds but it won't be front of center or top of mind.
>> eugene, the president does have a lot on his plate, afghanistan, storm damage, pandemic, the economy. so what's the strategy going to be into this post-labor day period which is considered critical as he looks to his domestic agenda? >> every time we ask what are you prioritizing, everything that i hear from sources in the white house is that they have to do everything at the same time using the whole of government approach, something this administration has said over and over and over again. i think you see them sections off things and giving to folks. you saw abortion rights and how they can use the federal levers to control that by giving that to his gender policy council, the president dealing with voting rights, you see the president who was going to focus probably on the domestic agenda when it comes to the economy and that includes most importantly
to his very ambitious agenda, the reconciliation bill and more than trillion dollars in infrastructure. the way that they see it, all of these things, is working in tandem. the reason we had to leave afghanistan was to focus on this, to use the money we're saving on infrastructure, on child care, on climate change and all of those aspects. they see all of these things working together and the way they sell that to the american people. and i will say, chris, in the last conversation about afghanistan and the media and president biden, something this white house did not do is prepare the american people for a messy pullout. we heard over and over this is not going to look like saigon. this is not going to be be that messy. when they actually started having planes take off, people were falling off of them. so that is something this white house is going to have to answer
for and has tried to answer for. why were people not prepared for these things? if there was no other way but to have a messy pullout why were the american people not told that? that's something there hasn't been a good answer for up to this point. >> looking broader there is this concern and, again, we're seeing it in the polls about what the net impact on terrorism is and i think that's yet to be seen. there are obviously other geopolitical issues that are out there. so aside from the domestic agenda, what are you going to be watching for as we go through the last three, four months of 2021? >> well, i think as cynthia mentioned, the texas decision and all the things that will spin out of that is something that will be on people's minds, a really unconstitutional legislation passed by the texas legislature, notwithstanding what the supreme court said.
what's happened with covid is top of mind for americans and people have a sense of president biden's competency and the flare-up of the delta variant is on people's minds as well. that will settle down and that is intimately related to the economy. the jobs numbers today were not great. that has to do with people's anxiety about the re-emergence of covid. when and if that settles down, i think the numbers will go back up. if you ask about afghanistan they'll tell you an answer. it's not right at the top of their head. >> the department of justice got a guilty plea out of a so-called qanon shamann but it's been eight months. this obviously is a sprawling
investigation. let me get your take on this guilty plea and what you're looking at going forward. >> this is the guy with the viking horns which i was offended by as a descendent of the vikings. this is a guy who brought a spear into the capitol and left mike pence a threatening note and he finally pled guilty. they forced him to plead to a felony. he will end up with a certain amount of time. the government is asking for 41 months. it's easy to say, it's been eight months, we need to get moving. this is a time in the middle of covid when somehow the department of justice has still gotten 1,000 warrants. they've thrown 70 ausas it is case, 200,000 tips. 175 cases with assault on police officers. 570 arrests.
it is a huge case and has to build from the bottom up. i think it's yeoman's work. this has 70. remember, they still have to prosecute the regular cases that are happening of which there are quite a few. i think they're doing yeoman's work and in a very difficult work when you add covid and then when you add to that congress is doing a parallel investigation which, while important also imperils the criminal cases. that can hurt the criminal case. that's where ollie north got off because of the subpoenas in the criminal case forced things that were fruit of the poisonous tree. very confusing but just recognize the point is it makes everything twice as hard.
i think they're doing a good job building very slowly and they need to continue to do that. >> eugene, you don't cover the hill per se, but have you heard of the folks on the commission aware of it and what are you hearing about where that is going? we know there were plans to get a lot of plans to get their phone records, other records. where are we with that now on capitol hill? >> that committee is working and full steam ahead. we've seen the requests they're working on, liz cheney put in as the chair. they've said over and over again their focus is the truth. they'll continue to look and find whatever they can. cynthia is right and i believe she 100% is, if that does imperil the criminal investigations, that is
something that is in their mind-set because they know those things are connected and that was one of the reasons people didn't want that to happen. they wanted to wait until the criminal cases were done. but then you have the issue of the involvement possibly -- and this is why they wanted the phone records of members of congress, the president, the former president, the former president's staff and all of those things. and so it is such a tangled web than what happened that day is that there's almost no way to happen unless they happen together. those investigations do have to happen because we also don't really know still to this day why there was such a lack of security. still a lot of doubt about that. and if that could create some fruit of the poisonous tree that is a concern they have.
they will continue going forward. >> there are things the congressional investigation will look at that the criminal courts cannot. thanks to all of you. reaction from one of our top public health experts on the federal reporting there are plans to scale back booster shots. what's next for the president's agenda in congress after another chaotic week? we did it again. verizon has been named america's most reliable network by rootmetrics. and our customers rated us #1 for network quality in america according to j.d. power. number one in reliability, 16 times in a row. most awarded for network quality, 27 times in a row. proving once again that nobody builds networks like verizon. that's why we're building 5g right, that's why there's only one best network.
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variant of covid-19. this is a continuing pandemic of the unvaccinated. there's no question the delta variant is why today's jobs report isn't stronger. next week i'll lay out the next steps that are going to -- we're going to need to combat the delta variant to address some of those fears and concerns. >> while the president previews a new plan for curbing the delta varian, there are new questions surrounding the administration's plans for covid booster shots. "the new york times" reporting that federal health officials have told the white house to scale back a plan to offer booster shots to the general public later this month. here's "the times" report. quote, dr. janet woodcock and dr. walensky warned the white house on thursday that their agencies may be able to determine in coming weeks whether to recommend boosters only for recipients of the pfizer vaccine and possibly just
some of them to start. a source tells nbc news moderna's application will not be approved by the administration september 20th time line. our own shannon pettypiece reports, quote, top health officials informed the white house they will need more time to review the moderna application because the data the company submitted september 1st was found inadequate and needs strengthening, the person said. with us for more dr. gounder from the nyu school of medicine and bellevue hospital. she was part of a panel that advised the biden transition team on cope individual 19. and hosts the weekly podcast on the impact of the coronavirus called "epidemic." it's good to see you again. what should folks at home make of this? what kind of factors would go into deciding whether or not to recommend a booster shot? a lot of people are anxious to get it. >> i think many of us have done a rather poor job of explaining to the public what vaccines can
do and what should be considered a success. in the long term you are going to have breakthrough infections. this is something we see with any number of vaccines. the real question is are they preventing hospitalization and death? and by that metric the vaccines remain highly effective even in the face of the delta variant. only a couple specific groups that at this time would benefit from an additional dose of vaccine. >> those groups i assume, people immunocompromised, with other underlying conditions, you are in favor of limiting it to that group and then would you also say pfizer because it seems to be less efficacious than moderna? >> we would move forward with where we have more data and are
still reviewing the data to see if similar recommendations would apply there. this does need to be about vetting the science, following the science, not gut instinct or anxiety which i think is driving some of the push for boosters anxiety about breakthrough infections. and so as is being done with the pfizer vaccine data the same needs to be done with moderna. >> long term, a lot of us thought for a long time that by now we would be on the other side of this. i want to play something that dr. gottlieb said just this morning. take a listen. >> i think our true delta wave will build after labor day in the northeast of the country. i think we will go back to normal. it's going to be a new normal because this is going to become an endemic virus. it will circulate every year. this will be a second circulating flu and the challenge, we already have a flu. >> there's a lot in there
including yet another wave. you've said it's to turn it into something much less deadly like the flu. how complicated is our future looking right now? and do you agree this could be the last real wave of infection? >> i largely agree with dr. gottlieb. i think we are going to see an increase in transmission related to the delta variant over the coming month with back to school, with some people returning to the office. unfortunately, a lot of schools are not taking the measures necessary to prevent transmission in the school building so that includes masking, making use of air filtration, optimizing ventilation, opening doors and windows. some of those things are not being done. we are going to see a bump in transmission. i agree we'll see cases come down after that, probably in october. but i think we'll see another resurgence over thanksgiving,
christmas and new year's. whatever you have people traveling mixing in new groups with family and friends they are less likely to take precautions with, i think you will see another bump in transmission over that time. >> it's always great to have you on the program, thank you for being with us. we are expecting to hear from the president again today from laplace, louisiana, a place absolutely decimated by the coronavirus as he continues to make his way around to place that is really took the brunt of hurricane ida. 29,000 people live in that small town. we'll wait and see what he has to say after doing that tour. coming up, why republicans have mixed reactions to this new abortion law out of texas as democrats plan their path forward to protect abortion rights.
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that roe v. wade is under threat, yet we're still not hearing much celebrating from republicans. the associated press reports it this way. the mixed reactions illustrate the political risks for the gop as their anti-abortion allies begin actually achieving goals they have long sought. americans are hardly of one mind on the issue and loudly defending the toughest like in georgia or florida and arizona, next year's midterm elections won't be hazard free. robert gibbs, senior adviser and white house press secretary under president obama, susan del percio, political analyst and a veteran political strategist, and the reverend al sharpton, host of msnbc's "politics nation" and the president of the national action network. good to have all of you here. susan, is there any sense republicans could come to regret their victory in texas? >> well, i don't think all republicans see texas as a
victory. if you look at what should have happened for republicans or what they thought would happen was the mississippi lawsuit which would not allow you to go beyond 15 weeks and get an abortion. that was supposed to go in front of the supreme court and leave the overturn of roe v. wade. this law is going to cause so many problems for republicans in swing districts and swing states because republicans used to be able to say, you know what, i'm pro-life except for rape and incest, which is now not exempt under the texas law. and, most importantly, roe v. wade is the law of the land. that's not going to change and it's precedent. now there is going to be a fight to the right on this issue which means they're going to put up the most extreme candidates come 2022. >> so whether you're looking at mississippi or texas, robert gibbs, this really isn't a surprise to anybody who has been
paying attention, literally for decades. anti-abortion groups have been well organized. they've been patient, strategic. could this, in fact, energize the right for 2022, the conservative base being that critically reliable vote for them always? >> i think it certainly could energize the republican base. i tend to believe, though, that the threat of a right disappearing after almost five decades is far more likely to energize the left and the democratic base along with pro-choice republicans, men and women, that populate really the suburbs or in more of the suburbs. and just to be clear, chris, we're going to have u.s. senate races in the six closest presidential states in 2022. if you get a more energized democratic electorate, that could make a big difference in those very close states come next year. i think the republicans have
unleashed something they won't be able to control as we just talked about there's no exception for rape or incest. this is literally you turning your neighbor in. i think this is fraught with peril and they've unleashed something they now can't control. >> reverend sharpton, it's not lost that the scathing dissent in this case was written by the justice who was a woman of color and grew up knowing what it is to be poor. however, sonia sotomayor is not in the majority and there is talk of expanding the court. do you expect that to become a louder conversation now? >> i do expect it to become a louder conversation because clearly you have out of texas now this very, very draconian bill in terms of a woman's right to choose and voting rights. we had texas democrats from the state legislature that left the
state to block them from voting. and my fear is twofold. one is that does this make the mississippi case, which is 15 weeks and does not have the same restrictions in terms of saying that incest and rape doesn't matter, does it make it look more reasonable and people accept mississippi because it's not as bad as texas. mississippi could be the setup to bring down roe vs. wade. i'm very concerned we are not being given something here that would be a precursor to the real thing, bringing in the mississippi case, which the court would rule on and say, well, it wasn't as bad as texas and it relaxes the energizing of those on the left. i also think that it's going to be very interesting to see if the president and the democrats go out and galvanize now.
let's not forget october is the mississippi case, and just let's make sure they're not playing the long game that we're going to let something go that's drastic, pull back and end up using something you think is kinder and gentler but just as devastating to roe v. wade in the mississippi case. >> the presidented to not only said the doj is looking into what they might possibly be able to do but said he might have more comment on this later today. he said as he's in louisiana, which is where he is right now, robert gibbs. we're waiting for him to come up before the press at laplace. some folks may look at this and say what is served by a president going to some place where there has been a natural disaster? here, obviously, the scope, the length of this is beyond devastating. as somebody who has been there, who knows it, what would you say to that question?
>> i would say there's two primary things that i think are important. first and foremost i think the nation needs to hear and see from the president we know joe biden is good at empathy and i think this has been a devastating storm really from louisiana to new york. so i think it's important for the president and for the country to see that we're rallying behind those that have been affected by this disaster but i think, also, secondarily, you have leaders from all over the state getting valuable face time with the head of fema and with the president of the united states. if they need something, i can assure you this president and the head of fema will take out a piece of paper and a pen and write that down and that's going to go directly to somebody. so if something isn't getting fixed right now, i tell you, you've got elected officials that have the ear of the most powerful person in the country to fix it as we speak. >> robert, susan, reverend al, you're all going to stay with us
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ratings, are down, affect him getting what he wants on these two huge items? >> well, the president needs to get these two items through. it's a matter of what level will the human infrastructure get to. joe manchin said today in an op-ed he's not interested in $3.5 trillion. maybe that number is $2 trillion. but joe biden desperately needs a win. now the date, the due date for the hard infrastructure is september 27th. i think maybe they look to push that up a little bit because the president needs a win, because what we've seen of recent in politics is numbers we used to say go up and down, but it's very hard to recover if they go too far down especially in light of the delta variant. >> look, there's always stuff in the way on a path to a victory, right, robert gibbs? but how big are these obstacles for the president right now? >> september is going to be a remarkably busy month. the congress has got to figure
out how to fund government, how to deal with the debt ceiling, how to deal with reconciliation and infrastructure. all of those things could collide. i think the hurdles are not insignificant for the white house and for democrats in congress, but i think it's going to take a lot of work. but i would say this, chris, and i remember this from health care about this time in 2009, there's a lot of public positioning that has to take place for people's politics. it's the discussions behind the scenes we don't know about and we don't hear about. and i would say this, by the end of september or into october i'm betting on nancy pelosi being able to get this done in the house, chuck schumer able to get this done in the senate. i would put my money on them. i think in the end democrats, whether they're on the left or more moderate, democrats have to have a win, they have to go into 2022 with a reason for voters to continue to have them in the majority. and if they can't produce
something while they're in the majority, it makes it harder to campaign to continue for that. they understand that, and so that's important and it's the survival, i think, that will help get this legislation through. >> and just to tell people what we're seeing, the president has been walking around the neighborhood in laplace, louisiana, where you see the media that's moving around as we wait for him to make some comments, but he's been meeting individually with some of the folks who live there who have been through, to understate it, a harrowing experience from hurricane ida and continue to face no power, no cell service, lack of gas, lack of food, all the things we know that have been going on there in louisiana. and, reverend al, as robert pointed out no one is questioning the president's empathetic skills. this is a man who has lived it and who knows how to talk to folks who have been through a personal tragedy whether it be the death of someone they know or their life has been up-ended.
if we go back to what he needs to do in the rest of this month, if we go back to things like the infrastructure bill, what are the skills he needs to bring to bear to get this done, and are you optimistic? >> he must be able to lean on the senate, the senate democrats to bring through not only infrastructure but now women's issue because of texas and the pending case that's going to come up in mississippi before the supreme court and voting rights with blacks. you must remember he has to be able to energize his base. he does not only need to do what he needs, and he definitely needs infrastructure, but many in the black community, 50,000 people marchmarched last saturd. he will have to deal with women that will be energized because of this texas case.
so he's got to not only keep the win but have wins for people he needs to come out in huge numbers. you have a very narrow margin of majority in the house and a tie with the tiebreaker with the vice president in the senate. you have no room to lose, and you can't do it without a huge turnout by women and blacks and people of color. otherwise you're in serious trouble because your margin of majority is very narrow. >> as they say, the folks who got you to the dance in the first place, and it certainly is people of color and women. reverend al sharpton, robert gibbs, susan del percio, thanks to all of you. if we can go back for a second i want to tell people what exactly is going on in laplace. the president was in the center of your screen, now he's sort of getting surrounded there by folks, but he's been talking one
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laplace, louisiana, following hurricane ida. let's listen. >> you know, there's a lot, we just -- to see just exactly what has happened on the ground, see what is going on in people's homes. a lot of people fear, for example, because they don't have cell connections, are unaware of what available help there is right now to get them. the fema director and i were just talking to them. we are going to make sure we have someone coming through here, going door to door, letting people know what is available to them right now because they can't connect online. with the governor and mayors and members of congress, community leaders, all of the folks that are here, we've been working together to deliver millions of meals and liters of water. i know, i know you all are frustrated about how long it takes to restore power. it is dangerous work. 25,000 linemen from around the country have come here to louisiana to help, crews from 32 different states are helping.
two of them lost their lives in the process of trying to get power back up. we're going -- we're working 24/7 with the energy companies who we met with the heads of today, and we're deploying even more federal resources including hundreds of generators, and there's more to come to restore power as fast as we possibly can, faster than anything happened during katrina. we are also working on the cellphone -- with the cellphone companies so you can call your loved ones, call for help regardless of where you are, and make sure the people you know and you love, you haven't been able to talk to lately, be able to know whether they're okay. we're moving quickly to keep gas flowing to the pumps, including -- i've gone into the strategic petroleum reserve, that's what has been set aside, the crude oil, providing flexibility for -- and providing flexibility for how many hours truckers are able to drive and transport gas and fuel because there's a law in america. you can't drive for safety reasons beyond so many hours a
day, but we need more movement of this fuel. we're expanding the supply of gasoline that can be sold in the state of louisiana, and there's much to be done. we are working around the clock with the governor and the elected officials here until we can meet every need you all have. in fact, reports suggest that some insurance companies may deny coverage for living assistance unless the homeowner was under a mandatory evacuation order. so you paid your insurance premiums, you are supposed to get payments for additional living expenses in case of an emergency. well, but the insurance companies are saying, no, no, no, we won't pay you what we owe. well, we're putting as much pressure as we can. we know all of the parishes that issued strong voluntary evacuation orders first and many didn't have enough time to make that order mandatory as the storm moved so fast.
you know, even with voluntary evacuations order folks felt safest leaving their homes in many cases. no one fled this killer storm because they were looking for a vacation or a road trip. so, folks, they left their home because they left it, they felt they had to flee the risk of death. there's nothing voluntary about that. so i'm calling on private insurance companies, don't hide behind the fine print and technicality. pay what you owe your customers. cover temporary housing costs in natural disasters and help those in need. that's what we should all be doing now and that's what we are doing. so far we have provided, with the governor's help as well, $100 million in critical assistance directly to people in louisiana by putting $500 in their bank accounts once they've contacted us. that's what, we're going to come
back and let all you people know exactly how to do that, that will happen. secondly, as the governor's request, fema is helping with, fancy phrase, transitional shelter assistance, meaning a place for you to be safely able to sleep at night and be secure, like covering your hotel bill you racked up because you couldn't stay at home during the hurricane or because your home is not liveable now. we're making sure this kind of relief is equitable for those hardest hit, the resources they need have to get to them. so no matter who you are, if you live in an affected area, please visit disasterassistance.gov once you are able to use your cellphone or call 1-800-621-fema, fema. that's 1-800-621-3362. folks, hurricane ida is another reminder that we need to be
prepared for the next hurricane and super storms are going to come and they're going to come more frequently and more ferociously. i have been working closely with the governor and our colleagues in congress from both parties on my build back better plan that will modernize our roads, our bridges and our water system, sewers and drainage systems and power grids and transmission lines to make sure they're more resilient. i walked through the back yards here. so many telephone lines are down, so many telephone poles are down, so many of the way in which we transmit energy is lost because of old, wooden telephone poles. we know for a fact if they're underground they're secure. it costs more money. we have to not just build back to what it was, with the same old poles, we have to build back better, we have to build back more resiliently and make sure we do the same thing across the board. think of how that $760 million
west shore project here in southern louisiana will build miles of new levies, pumping stations and drainage structures to provide for protection for 60,000 folks in the area. it will change their lives in future storms. i told the governor that he has my full support, and i mean this sincerely, my full support to get this project done. folks, i know you are hurting. i know you are hurting. i know the folks in lake charles who i visited earlier this year are still hurting from hurricane laura. i want you to know we're going to be here for you. and with regard to lake charles, i put in a request in the budget to provide for help for recovery for lake charles as a consequence of laura and delta, two storms that they still haven't been gotten the needs that they -- met that they have. this isn't about being a democrat or a republican. we're americans and we will get through this together. we just have to remember we not only have to build back, we have
to build back better than it was before, better than it was before. so when another super storm comes, there's not the damage done. so thank you all very much. i'm going to see the rest of the folks in the neighborhood here, but every time i would walk out of my grand pop's house up in scranton, pennsylvania, he would yell, "joey, keep the faith." my grandmother would yell, "no, joey, spread it." let's spread the faith, okay? let's get this done together. thank you. thank you. >> president biden after spending some time walking around that neighborhood in laplace, louisiana, talking to folks there. that is a section of louisiana that was absolutely devastated, much of it inhabitable after the hurricane swept through, and you heard him basically pledging an all-government effort including the support of fema. he has his fema director with him. i can tell you from reading the
local papers it is exactly what the president just said, a lot of folks didn't even know fema was there. a lot of people have not been able to reach anybody. they don't have cell service. they don't have electricity. they can't watch their televisions, so they don't actually know where the help is available. so it is incumbent now upon the director of fema and john bel edwards, the governor there. they're going to have to have a long-term effort and plan to move forward, already started moving on things like gas supplies, getting other help in there. there's certainly a lot of not-for-profits that have made their way to louisiana. with that let's bring in our lead-off guest, susan page, u.s. bureau chief for "usa today". eugene daniels with "politico." and frank figliuzzi, former fbi assistant director for counterintelligence and author of the book "the bureau, the fbi
way." it is good to have you all here. the thing, eugene, and we were talking about this before, the president does this very well. this is somebody that comes out and says, listen, insurance companies, pay up. you know, i don't want you fighting with these people, they need their money. he talks about the very real things they're going through. he has been listening clearly. but now the rubber meets the road, right? the federal government has to come through. >> absolutely. that's the thing this white house says they're very good at. they are always working, trying to figure out the levers that they can use to help people, right. because they believe that government should be doing that and so it kind of helps citizens. it is a bit different than the last administration because if you believe that government is supposed to be doing things in people's lives, especially when it comes to what we're seeing right now, the president in a disaster zone where humans live and work and want to come back to, that is something that there's a lot of pressure on them to do. so we're seeing this white house get all of their resources to bear to do those things, to make sure that people can come home.
you know, when the president does lean on and say things, just like you said, insurance companies, you know, stop playing around and maybe sure they get these people's money, that is something that americans are going to immediately see as him being on their side, right, because what we know is that this is a hard process every single time for people as they're trying to get back home. insurance companies making it harder, et cetera, et cetera. so the president leaning on, even with just that statement and saying that, that makes the american people feel like he is -- is at the wheel. so now making sure that fema, like he said, is doling out that money and making sure that the people know where to go, know where to get help. that is where the bureaucracy of it, that is where this administration is going to have to lean a lot on as they go through the next couple of weeks. you know, he is in louisiana right now, but you have to look at new york as well, a place that was not expecting all of the flooding that it got. so there's also that aspect of this. it is not just louisiana that is
having this issue. >> susan, as you well know because you have gone on these trips, you and i have seen presidents who have gone out into these communities. he's, by the way, going to another parish that is another place that really got hurt badly in this hurricane, but this is a state he lost. i think it was like 18 points, it wasn't even close for the president in louisiana. having said this, how much do these pictures matter? how much do the reports coming out that the federal government is doing his job matter elsewhere? >> well, ask george w. bush that when he failed to have these kind of pictures, this kind of message. >> he and browning. >> and the immediate aftermath -- you are doing a hell of a job. yes, that's the words i think he is -- words he had uttered because fema wasn't doing a good job and george w. bush didn't get on the scene there quickly, in part because people who were working there i think encouraged him not to. but americans expect to see the president out there offering
moral support and the promise of governmental support when there's a disaster, and this is a helpful moment for joe biden to be able to show this side of his presidency because it has been a tough week for him. it has been even a tough day with the disappointing jobs numbers this morning. he is still deal wing the aftermath of the chaotic withdrawal from afghanistan. this is a side of the presidency that he is very comfortable performing and does in a way that really relates to people, chris. >> as you pointed out, this trip today coming after what has been a tough couple of weeks for joe biden, for the country really. of course, there was the chaotic exit from afghanistan, not to mention the deaths of american service members, a terror attack from isis, 13 service members killed. the administration also facing its very real threat to roe v. wade after the supreme court declined to block a texas law that essentially bans all abortions after six weeks. and the nation is still grappling with the latest surge
of covid-19 cases which is being felt in every state, including heavily in louisiana. the highly transmissible delta variant a key driver in that surge. and now "the new york times" reporting that top health officials are advising the white house to dial back a plan to roll out booster shots later this month. the president today blaming the delta variant for a slowdown in job creation. susan just mentioned this. adding that he intends to announce new measures to stop the spread. >> we need to make more progress in fighting the delta variant of covid-19. since becoming president i have ramped up testing, secured enough vaccine for every single american and gotten 175 million americans fully vaccinated. still, still too many have not gotten vaccinated. next week i will layout the next steps that are going to -- we're going to need to combat the delta variant. >> so, eugene, i mean it is a
fool's errand to try to say what is going the happen in the rest of the presidency. what we can say is that his presidency got off to a strong start. he has had a very difficult time between covid and all of the other things that we've talked about. are we overstating it to say that the rest of this month is critical for him? >> no, i don't think so at all, right. there's a lot of things on his plate for september. we talked about this playbook because you have this kind of soft deadline of reconciliation and infrastructure for september 27th in congress, you have the debt limit, you have the spread that we're talking about with delta, you have afghanistan and making sure we can get our allies and any americans that are there. this is a pivotal month for the biden administration. people often say that it feels like every month in the last couple of years feels like a pivotal month for every president, but i think it is. especially as we go into 2022
everyone is going to look at the mid terms, so they don't have a lot of time to get things done they want to get done. i think one of the things about this administration when it comes to covid-19, if they can get delta taken care of, they can allow people to get out of the houses, we can take these masks off, it is going to be easier to get the american people to care about all of these other things. i think they know that. they know that if they get covid-19 and get this pandemic under -- continue to get it under control, then we are going to be able -- they are going to see the president's numbers rise. they're going to see the economy be -- go better and his numbers and jobs rebound. so that is key to his administration, and they're continuing to focus on that including vaccinations. has been impressive thus far, but they still have a long road ahead as we're into those really tough people to get them vaccinated. >> and as we look ahead this month to the challenges that could face this country, face this president, frank figliuzzi, we saw this new reporting about a planned rally at the capitol
for september 18th, proud boys, oath keepers reportedly planning it. a lot of online chatter about it. what are you watching for both in terms of the preparation for it and how law enforcement is planning to deal with this? >> yeah, chris, you listed a litany of various crises and issues facing this president, and one that, you know, you usually see in senior leadership training and exercises, but this is very much for real. now add to that list the domestic terrorism threat that's the number one threat according to the fbi director in his testimony before congress. we see this planned, permitted rally for september 18th in washington, d.c., but it is interesting. monitoring the chatter on extremist sites including proud boys' chatter, it seems that they now believe there will be so much security presence that they're telling their people don't go. that, in fact, they're referring to it as a false flag operation by the government, that something will happen but it won't be us. it will be the government
manufacturing it. so that's good news. but here is the not-so-good news. what the talk has turned to online is let's do something somewhere else. let's be local. let's go local. let's make it happen at other places. for those in the counterterrorism business they can't help but think of soft targets. if it is too hard to hit d.c., go elsewhere. that's going to be the talk and the challenge for local law enforcement. >> it is not just the fbi director who is talking about domestic terrorism. you folks at "usa today" did a poll with suffolk university and, quote, domestic terrorism is seen as a bigger threat than foreign terrorism by 56% to 60%. among those under 35 66% call domestic terrorism a threat. what a striking change to see days away from the anniversary
of september 11th. >> we did this poll marking the anniversary of 9/11 and we repeated some of the first questions we asked at the first anniversary, at the tenth anniversaries. in the previous anniversariesit didn't occur to us to ask if they saw domestic terrorism as a threat. it is a sea change since two decades ago. now the fbi director says domestic terrorism is a bigger threat, and so do americans who are watching the news and what is happening in their own communities these days. >> frank, joe biden signed an executive just today. he is directing the doj and other government agencies to review the documents related to the fbi's 9/11 investigations, potentially looking at declassification. what do you think they might tell us? >> well, let's put this in context. this is a direct response to a call from 9/11 victim families for greater transparency and
declassification. there's been precious few documents released so far and the families deserve this. president biden has recognized that. what are they looking for specifically? well, writ large they need to know more about the investigation, but they are keyed in intensely on the role of saudi arabia. there have been conspiracy theories, did the saudis cover up something, were they involved, that's what they want to get their hands on. only time will tell whether the declassification review will turn up those documents if they exist, and if they're too sensitive they can't be released. time will tell. >> frank, you have a very good handle on the kind of things that could be declassified. you personally, knowing what you know, having been around for 9/11, what do you think you might learn that you would like to know that could potentially be declassified? >> well, there is this big mystery around saudi and the conspiracy theories, and the best that i have heard in terms of actual kind of credible allegation is that maybe someone associated with the saudi
government had some role but that he was a rogue operator, and that's embarrassing for saudi. this is conjecture. that's what i would be looking for, is what is the truth with regard to the role of saudi. was the united states involved in down playing that? is that why we're not seeing a declassification? i would like to see that. >> yeah. one of the things, obviously, that the white house was very straightforward about, eugene, was when there was the exit and we had the attack that killed the american service members. they announced there's a high likelihood that there could be another attack. thank god, there wasn't. thank god the rest of the service members were able to get out fine, healthy, be home with their families. having said that, within the white house what is the talk about the threat, the domestic terror threat right now? >> yeah, you know, jen psaki talked about this this week, is they don't feel like there's a high domestic terror threat, right. they don't feel like -- by that i mean from a foreign actor, right. they don't feel like there is,
you know, americans are in immediate danger in the united states from foreign actors, from terrorists. they feel like they have their eyes on it. they told you about the kind of the over-the-horizon capabilities of the u.s. military and what they're able to do with drone strikes and those kinds of things. that is something i've continued to talk to experts about this in afghanistan and about the terrorism, is this -- is afghanistan going to be a hotbed for terrorism, and this is something we've asked the white house, and what they continue to tell us is they have their eyes on it, that the capabilities that they have now are a lot different than they had pre-9/11. so we're not going to sigh the same things, and the reason that they left is because they feel like they have the capabilities to make sure that there aren't attacks on americans here in the united states. i think that is where the white house is right now and where they're going to continue to be. like we have our eyes on it, but they're not overly concerned that something is going to happen here even as we start to get closer to september 11th,
and there's going to be a lot more chatter than there usually is. >> very much though the attention today, again, is on louisiana. the president continued his tour there after having talked to a lot of folks. we just heard from him. let me play a little bit of what the president just had to say. >> i walked through the backyards here. so many telephone lines are down. so many telephone poles are down. so many of the -- of the way in which we transmit energy is lost, because of old wooden telephone poles. we know for a fact if they're underground they're secure. it costs more money. we have to not just build back what it was, put the old same poles up. we have to build back better. we have to build back more resiliently and make sure we do the same thing across the board. >> and that, susan, is an argument that they've been making even before this happened, not obviously just in louisiana but in the mid-atlantic and the northeast. there's been so much talk about
infrastructure, the changes that need to happen, and in addition to that this has been an opportunity for members of this administration to talk about what joe biden often talked about on the campaign trail, and that is climate change, getting back into the paris climate accords. that ultimately you can build all of the infrastructure you want, but mother nature has a way of foiling it, and we have seen it time and time again. so where are we in terms of this administration, is this changing the urgency that they feel for climate? >> well, it certainly is intensifying the urgency and getting the $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation bill through, and we will know if they will be able to do that within the next few weeks. we're really entering the crucial time because that big bill is the one that includes the guts of their climate change legislation. you know, the administration has a sophisticated view about what the prospects are down the road for getting big legislation through congress. they get lower and lower.
this is a 50/50 senate. it is a house where the democrats can only lose three votes and still get something through. that's one reason they've wrapped up this big reconciliation bill with everything they want to do in terms of what they call soft infrastructure, which is things like getting kids to pre-kindergarten or helping adults go to community college and passing things that encourage clean energy, the use of electric cars and all of that. but it is hard, and it is hard here not because of republican opposition because republicans are likely to universally vote against that bill. it is hard because it is hard to get the democrats to stick together. the most moderate democrats like joe manchin from west virginia and the most progressive members of the house, and that will be the test that we see in the next few weeks. >> and a big one it is. susan page, eugene daniels, frank figliuzzi. thank you for watching the president with us and thanks for sticking around to talk about all of these myriad topics.
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strain on hospital systems across the country. the "wall street journal" reporting it this way. soaring covid-19 case loads are endangering patients who need urgent medical care. the overwhelmed hospitals don't always have the staff or capacity to provide immediate treatment for emergencies from covid to gallbladder removal. "the washington post" reporting, we're now averaging 1,500 deaths a day. let that sink in. back with us again, dr. oktar, clinical assistant professor at the university of arizona's college of medicine in phoenix. it is good to see you again, but, wow. look, you have spoken on this network a lot about this strain, you and your colleagues have been under during this delta surge. have things gotten any better in recent weeks and are you at all shocked to hear that number of 1,500? >> thanks for having me back. it is unfortunate we have to be back here. believe it or not, i'm actually in pennsylvania this week working and it also feels like a
vacation, which is crazy to say, working in the er should never be a vacation. but relative to miami things are better here. i still get covid admits, but in florida things have been so horrible and so backed up because of how many covid cases we have in the icu. the patients are just waiting and waiting in the waiting room, waiting for a bed. remember, this is regardless of whether you have coronavirus or some other conditions. as just mentioned, if you need a gallbladder removal, it takes a lot time to get a bed to be able to do that procedure and have you monitored. so it is amazing we came back to this state even though we had multiple solutions to fix it, whether it was masking or distancing or this multi-billion dollar treatment, the vaccine, that could be so, so helpful for any hospitalization but people just aren't getting it. >> you have worked in states across the country, so i guess, unfortunately, you are seeing firsthand what we know from the statistics, which is if you got a higher vaccination rate, chances are that your death rate, your count rate is going to be low, but if your vaccination rate is low, just
the opposite? >> that's exactly right. you know, sometimes statistical associations don't meet causation, but in this case the data are very clear. vaccinated people are very unlikely to be in the hospital. it happens but very rare. the covid units are full of unvaccinated patients, and that's why when i'm in arizona, in particular florida, i have to admit so many covid patients who come in hypoxic, short of breath without enough oxygen in their blood. it is so much rarer in pennsylvania where the vaccination rate is obviously better. >> we talked about the fact the overall strain that there's been on hospitals, obviously on doctors, nurses, other folks who work in those units. there was a story that we did earlier in the week with a mother who lost her son, who needed care, couldn't get a bed, died, not related to covid but couldn't get a bed. they called around state after state after state, could not find a bed for this patient and he died of something not related
to covid. how long can some of these strained hospital systems operate at this rate? >> yeah, that's one of the things i wish people understood, is that hospitals don't just get built overnight. so it is not like, oh, you know what? let's just build a new hospital for the next few weeks or next few months. >> and let's staff it up because there are so many doctors hanging around out there. >> that's exactly right. it is not just a matter of building space, it is really staff. there are so many people who have either quit or retired, nurses, physicians even. a lot of people that, you know, just aren't in the force anymore, so that when that patient does come in, whether covid or otherwise, there isn't a place for that person to go. i am begging, i'm yearning for people to not be so selfish and think only about themselves. think about the family member. if your family member has a heart attack and there isn't a bed available or there isn't staff to manage that patient, imagine how you are going to feel if your loved one can't get care, whether it is a heart attack or covid or anything else.
so, please, look out -- if you're not going to look out for others, at least look out for yourself and your loved ones and make sure you do everything you can to help yourself and others, and the best way is with vaccination that helps not just with covid immensely but the other conditions as well because you need a bed and you need staff. >> comparably it probably feels like a mini vacation to you to be somewhere working where it is not completely overwhelmed by covid. i'm sure you get questions all the time. i don't know how many of them are about boosters. i wonder what you think of the new reporting from "the new york times" that health officials are now advising the white house to kind of dial back on the plans to roll out boosters later this month, maybe only folks who have had the pfizer shots. where do you come down on boosters right now? >> yeah, that's a great question. actually, it is debated amongst doctors and scientists as well. it is not one of those very clear-cut, like get vaccinated. very clear cut. we have basic science data suggests there's more antibody protection with a third shot,
but it didn't necessarily mean clinically you are less likely to get infected. however, more recently the israelis have suggested people with a third shot are less likely to get infected than people that don't have you and that can help hospitalization. i think what we're waiting on here is a little more clinical data to verify if this is necessary. remember, if you had your first two shots, you are in a very good state. so you don't have to worry too, too much about the booster or looking at the data, and it is mainly going to be for the people who have had their second covid shot many, many months ago, could the third shot be helpful. i wouldn't live in fear if you haven't had it yet, but basically we are waiting for more clinical data and those meetings will then delineate whether we can get the third booster or not and whether or not it is recommended or not. remember, the pfizer deadline will be different from the moderna deadline but it is to be expected. >> doctor, thank you for coming on the program and for all you do. we do appreciate it. coming up, our political
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reporters at "axios" write this. democrats say they're itching for a political fight over abortion rights and that it will help them in the 2022 mid terms. even if they're right they're still losing the war. with us to talk about it, victoria defrancesco soto, assistant dean at the lbj school of public affairs at university of texas in austin. and bill kristol, author, writer, thinking, "politico", editor at large at "the bull work." great to have you both here. victoria, this is your state. do you see what happened as helping democrats across the country in 2022? even if so, are they losing the war? >> right. so let me break those two questions up, chris. i think nationally it can help mobilize, right, that it is an issue that is important for the democratic base. it is also something that we've seen moderate republican women and independent women also feel very, very strongly about. so i think at the general level,
yes, we know nationally the majority of americans support the rights of women to a safe abortion. the difference is when we look at texas, we're more conservative, right. so we are almost evenly split in terms of support for this law. so while i do think that in other states outside of texas, especially those that are purple or blue, it will help. in texas, i'm not so sure. we see that split. we know among republican women they're almost as supportive as men are. so i think that we have to be careful in terms of how broad a swath we cover when we say it will help democrats. we need to look at the specific states, and even more specifically the districts. >> david frum writes this in "the atlantic." quote, accountability has suddenly arrived. texas republicans have just elevated abortion rights to perhaps the state's supreme ballot issue in 2022. perhaps they calculated correctly. if that's the case, that's an important political fact and one
that will reshape the politics of the country in 2024, which raises the question, bill kristol, have republicans calculated correctly? >> i doubt it. two points. out here in virginia we have a gubernatorial race going on right now in real-time. terry mcauliffe, the democratic candidate who is ahead by 3, 5, 7 points, not a slaughter so. it is a blewish state but not a completely blue state. mcauliffe is hammering his opponent on this issue. he is saying we can't be like texas. i will preserve the right to an abortion here in virginia, and we haven't a system like texas. the republican nominee is ducking the issue. he ducked questions yesterday on it. earlier he was taped by a liberal activist saying, talking to a supporter of his who said, who you going to really take care of the abortion issue, are you going to be aggressive? he says something like, well, i can't talk about it too much but if i'm in there with a
republican assembly we will go on the offense. the mcauliffe campaign is highlighting the republican statements on this. so yunken's statements on this. it tells me here in virginia mcauliffe, who is a savvy politician, thinks it is a winning situation for him. it doesn't mean everywhere in the country. >> for decades it has been something that energizes a small portion of the population, but will it be elevated to laefl where more in the country will consider it when they cast votes? >> i think so here in virginia. it is not just the democratic base, as was said. there are a ton of independent voters, you know, romney/biden voters so to speak who don't want the kind of law we have in texas. we will see if yunken has the nerve to distance himself from that. he is nervous about elevating his base. i would say let's see what happens in texas.
are we going to have stories over the next two, four, six weeks of people being persecuted by bounty seekers? i don't think we're in a static situation here. it is not like a law has been passed and sit back and it is a theoretical debate. there are real things that will be happening on the ground. challenges in texas courts and lower federal courts. parts of the law will be thrown out i think. so i think it is a dynamic situation. i have to think this is not going to work out well for the republicans. i think it is going to be a harder law to defend three months from now even by pro life voters in texas than it is today. >> victoria, he's right. this is not static. again, you have lyft and uber that will pay legal fees. now it looks like south by southwest, a huge festival people know in austin, could be facing boycotts, advertisers talking about pulling out, actors/producers talking about reconsidering whether they should shoot in texas. i don't know that that's going to change the mind of republican state lawmakers, but do those things matter?
>> so, chris, you and i have talked about this before. in the short term the political calculations of the republican lawmakers are focused on next year's election. so all of our state executives are up for reelection. governor abbott is up for reelection. there's that one political calculation we need to keep in mind. the second one is that governor abbott has his eye on the 2024 gop nomination, and he sees this taking a stand on abortion in addition to immigration and guns and other stuff that plays to the base as being something that will secure him that presidential nomination. so even though there is a threat, there will be court cases, there will be a lot of legal fees, folks may boycott us, i think that that narrow view of the political strategy is what is going to be driving the leadership, at least for the short term. >> and we've asked victoria and bill to both stay put through the next short break because coming up there is growing concern over a possible repeat
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federal charge of felony obstruction of justice, an official -- a felony obstruction of an official proceeding. according to "the new york times" his plea hearing in federal district court in washington departed from the circus-like atmosphere that has surrounded the case from the start. under the terms of his deal, mr. chansley agreed to accept a recommended 41 to 51 months in prison. he is scheduled to be sentenced on november 17th. back with you victoria de francesco soto and bill kristol. you know, bill, on one side you have folks like him who believe the big lie, who were planning and now talking to frank figliuzzi just a short time ago it may not be happening at the capitol but folks who were planning another protest because they believe that the folks who have been charged like mr. chansley are political prisoners. on the other side you have folks who believe that there is something profoundly wrong and
who are fighting, frankly, as strongly as they can because they believe that democracy is -- the very democracy that we depend on is at stake. i wonder as you look at how all of this has developed over the last many years and several months, have we finally gotten to a low point or is it going to still get worse before it gets better as we see this divide in our country? >> it is pretty bad, chris, and it is really bad on the republican side. democrats have their problems, but this is -- i mean the degree to which we have a tolerance of and even encouragement of violence, mob rule, people taking things into their own hands on the republican side, whether it is january 6th, whether it is storming in effect school board meetings and threatening people, also threatening people who are saying you should wear a mask or now trying to prevent people from getting vaccinated, the kind of mob scenes outside of vaccine sites, whether it is
this texas law which is interesting, right. it does kind of create a mob rule. the state doesn't enforce things with the normal accountability that comes with that, even if it can sometimes be violated by individual police officers or whatever. so put it all together, you have a republican party that i think in an unprecedented way is edging towards a kind of mob rule, giving a yellow light if not a green light to violence, and a very dangerous situation. >> and it started at the top, right, victoria? the president on january 6th. but look at what kevin mccarthy did just this week. i mean the january 6th select committee reportedly, you know, looking for the communications and social media companies to preserve the records of hundreds of people, but in particular some members of congress. then you have mccarthy threatening to retaliate against any company that complies. what does that tell you about where we are? >> that mccarthy's political
calculation is very squarely in the trump camp, and we have seen him going to visit president trump, also in him contemplating taking liz cheney off of the january 6th commission. so we -- we can see where we are. the question is as we get closer to the mid-term election -- remember, we will be coming up on the mid-term election after a round of redistricting. does this hold? is this going to have legs or was this just a bad couple of years? is this the trump hangover or is this really an institutional shift in the republican party? i think that's what was going to become clear after 2022 and 2024. in terms of the rally that's going to be happening later this month, i am watching it really closely, chris, because i can see it happening in one of two ways. one, it is a repeat of january 6th, god forbid. the second is they try to mainstream it because it is really interesting to hear the rhetoric around january 6th. they were tourists, these are
folks who have their first amendment rights. so it would be interesting to see if there's going to be a shift in trying to normalize the rhetoric that we saw. we are just normal people who are exercising our democratic rights. >> we have less than a minute left, but that letter did go out to leader mccarthy. andy biggs wants both liz cheney and adam kinzinger gone. he writes, congresswoman cheney and congressman kinzinger are two spies for the democrats that we currently inviolate to meetings despite our inability to trust them. he wants a rule change to remove them from the republican conference. what does kevin mccarthy do now, bill? >> i assume he tries to ignore that. that's been his style. it is unbelievable they want liz cheney and kinzinger removed from the conference. marjorie taylor greene, paul gosar, lauren bow bart, matt gaetz, all fine. >> yeah. bill kristol, victoria de
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>> we succeeded in what we set out to do in afghanistan over a decade ago. then we stayed for another decade. it was time to end this war. >> the united states remains firmly committed to ukraine's sovereigty and integrity and the face of russian aggression and our support for ukraine, euro atlantic aspirations. the past few days of hurricane ida and the unprecedented flash flood in new york and new jersey is another reminder that these extreme storms and the climate crisis are here. >> there is no question the delta variant is why today's jobs report are not stronger. >> there is nothing political about this. this is simply about saving lives and getting people backup and running.
with us to talk about it is michael beschloss. it is so good to have you here. >> same here kris. >> i am trying to get some context this past week, was it as bad as it felt? >> yeah, it was a big week but we saw a lot of it in public. we saw all these things, the president dealing with covid, the supreme court's abortion decision and economics and hurricane ida and other things. i think one thing that historians find when they look at a president's documents later on our his e-mails or other records that a president accumulates, this is what the presidency is like all the time because joe biden they have what looks to us like a quiet week, i guarantee you historians 30 years from now may find out she's dealing with a possibility
of a serious terrorist threat or making decisions on the economy that affected a lot of people's lives. i remember a little bit, kris, in 1961, jfk a couple of months after he came into office tried to invade cuba and failed. it was embarrassing. he called in dwight howard. he was pretty much of a fight. i had no idea how hard the presidency is. you have to make all these decisions at once on all sorts of different issues and crisis and eisenhower says forgive me for saying so mr. president but i did warn you. >> voters will not have the hindsight of historians, using history as a guide, is any of this going to matter in 2022? >> what will matter is where our
lives are a year from now or more. what joe biden did with afghanistan, a year from now we'll know how the refugee will settle and what afghanistan looks like in the middle east. think about the problems they may have had or the economy. we'll see how those things are working. >> so there is living history and history like the bay of pigs. i wonder when we talk about the impact of living history if the comparison are even fair or so much social media, the short attention span the public has and the very many different ways true and false they get their information, are we just in unchartered territory? >> totally. >> it is so different from history and in august of '61 as
you know the berlin wall was put up. john kennedy was on vacation and reporters didn't bother him too much for a reaction. kennedy got through a whole week if you can believe it without getting his reaction to the building of the berlin wall which many people thought something that should drive us to war. we are living at a different age. we are talking about the tragedy in most cases of hurricane ida. most of american history presidents are not expected to act on hurricanes and other natural disasters. in 1963, there was a disaster and nuclear submarine called the thresser and hundreds of americans were killed. what did kennedy do when he went to the funeral and what did he do ceremonially?
turns out he just issued a staple. that's what presidents were expected to do in those days. now if you have something like ida and katrina and a president does not go down there showing that he's trying to solve the problem, people will be dissatisfied and they should be. >> we only got a minute left, given your book "presidents of war" and i have to ask you, how do you think in terms of the withdrawal of afghanistan and the decision itself, history will judge joe biden? >> the evacuation and withdrawal were tragic and a mess. that's what happens when war ends. >> gerald ford when he decided to take the united states out of vietnam, people don't remember helicopter being pushed off aircraft carriers. the american embassy in saigon, i wish it were avoidable and the
president perfect in everything he did and said, no president is. his story above all is probably not those things above all and the decision himself. anyone wants to criticize joe biden is going to have the argument that we should be in the afghanistan war today. that's a pretty hard argument today. >> one that most americans do not agree we should do. michael beschloss. thank you so much for your time. >> happy labor day weekend. that's all for this edition. our coverage continues with joy reid right after this short break. h joy reid right after this short break. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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