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that's what's really behind this recall so for me that's a problem. definitely not true but how republicans are trying to score the focus on vaccines, and as the new it's justice standing next to mitch mcconnell. claims the court is in partisan, the oldest justice still refuses to retire. i don't intend to die on the court, i don't think i'll be there forever. the ridiculous state of the supreme court fall and starts right now. good evening from new york i'm chris hayes, today is the last day of the california recall campaign. and you may not live in
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california, so you're asking we'll, what about me? but it is the first eve of the first big political test of the post trump era. because elections one year into a new president term, they are often an early indicator of which way the wind is blowing, which way politics are forming, of a new administration in the white house. you may remember during president barack obama's first year of office, the last time we had a first term democratic president, even that fall of that year we saw this huge surprise offset. a race from governor new jersey was chris christie. you know for told some troubles ahead for democrats. so there was a huge political states in tomorrow selection, and new substantive ones. california voters are choosing who will lead the fifth largest economy in the entire world. the most popular state in the union, they're choosing whether or not among other things to continue the battle that suppress the covid virus. or to essentially wave the
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white flag as some pro trump demo. those pro trump white wing forces, they organize a recall, against democratic governor gavin newsom. it -- has been facing this race against trumpism. >> trump is a missed 11 won this country, we defeated trump, but we haven't defeated trumpism. and i want folks to know that's what's really behind this recall. that's why we have to reject it right now. >> now we're giving you seen is saying is true, but of course it is also in his interest to frame on the former president. because donald shore lost by nearly 30 points last year. state has become a democratic stronghold. last voting for presidential campaign in 1988, and less electing democratic proven did a recall race in -- and there's a good reason for that, the kind of candidates that are getting the most traction in the current voting party, like donald trump, are
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increasingly -- not to mention places like new jersey, virginia, the republicans held state quite office just a few years ago. >> in california the candid and that is sort of popping out, is front runner larry elder, he's a republican, conservative talk radio horse, with zero political experience, zero governing experience. he is a former trump advisor stephen miller. he's against abortion rights, minimum wage, and vaccine mandates. and those positions are not appealing to voters in california. governor gavin newsom, has been gaining ground since he announced vaccine mandates for health care and education workers last month. and contrasted that the flare link, -- like texas and florida the current polling average for those who want to keep an office is 54.5%, and 40.8% want to remove him. but those are polls and polls can be wrong and we know the. but if you were covering this
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race in another state, if a democrat was running nearly 20 points behind in a weird special election and say idaho or south carolina, i think we would all be seeing its politics. conservative states. that is not how the trump republican party, works this is not automatic, this is cannon. they are already screaming fraud. the twice and freeze former president put out this statement today. does everybody believe that the recall california election isn't rigged? millions of millions of mail-in ballots as seen on the screen. that's interesting less plane. it's hard to get your head around that. one larry elder, who is the leading republican candidate has been making the same kind of bogus claims on fox news. the 2020 election in my opinion, was full of shenanigans, and my fear is is that they're going to try this in the recall, some urging people to go to a like, and when you see or hear anything suspicious go to
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my website we're going to have lawyers, we're going to file lawsuits in a timely fashion this time. >> lawsuits in a timely fashion this time, go to a like elder has been asking people to go to that website, and demanding to hold a special session to quote the twisted results of this 2020 recall election. the election hasn't happened yet, just to be clear. it's tomorrow. today msnbc correspondent jacob, pushed elder about whether he would accept the election results. and he refused to. answer >> whether or not you win or lose will you except the results of the election tomorrow? >> i think we all ought to be looking at election integrity, no matter whether you're a democrat or a republican. let's all make sure that the election is a fair election. so let's all work together no matter what the results are, to make sure that the results are valid and legitimate, and that everybody who voted should a vote. it >> is that it commitment to accept >> let's all do that
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together, let's all work together on both sides, and make sure that the election is a fair election. let's all work together to find out whether or not the election of tomorrow is a fair election. >> one of my very things of a political reporter we are dealing with a politician who has really been trained media train, to answer soon question with the phrase, and you see him doing it over and over again in that clip. so we have learned since the trump era that whether or not people perceive -- the pence or not whether the best or party's -- we see this disease fighting lights about fraud continue to increase before our very eyes even with trump. just next door to california in nevada, republican studded candidate is talking about mounting legal challenges in his election which is not until next year. >> with me at the top of the ticket we're going to be able to get everybody at the table
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and come up with a full plan, do our best to try to secure this election, get as many observers as we. can and follow suit. early if there are lawsuits we can file to try to tighten up the election. >> yes, we are going to sue early, when i lose. which is a word message. the lie has been certain all of the candidate, but also the identity of their. photos new polling shows that 59% of republicans say that believing that donald trump won the 2020 election is someone important to what being a republican means to them. so that's a trained state of our politics, you would think that the republican party would be running away from a one term puzzle oversaw the deadliest year in american history. but since donald trump has manufactured -- his selves groups on the party. and that means that our democratic norm continues to road in extremely terrifying. ways but it also means that he remains a big political target in ways that are probably
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helpful to democrats. immigration's like the ones taking place in california to. msnbc corresponded jacob conducted that interview with larry elder earlier today, and he joins me now. >> jacob just a level said that's a standard question politicians get asked, and the standard answer is of course. could you sense his hesitancy to say that obvious thing? >> yes, no doubt about it chris, i'm glad you played that last sound as well. because it brought back memories from me straight from the trump playbook. i was in nevada in las vegas, when adam, and rick, chase the three of them to awaiting dentist bird them away when they alleged that it was an improper election in nevada. without answering a. question and so my next question for larry is what's specifically are you alleging is wrong with the election here? i mean i myself was inside the l.a. county vote by mail
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process, was it a vote by mail issue? we have the largest mail voting destruction in the -- i saw the vote signature verification process, it but it's not about specifics, it's not about specifics for larry elder, it was not about specifics for aaron, liquor now, when they run away in nevada after the election. this is about saying the election should not be trusted, the head of the election shouldn't even be happening. >> there's also an aspect to it that i find fascinating just from a straight political standpoint, which is that we don't. no we don't know what's going to happen tomorrow. we've had a huge pulling misses in the path. but to the extent that the polling is accurate, this has not been a successful effort, it looks like it hasn't been successful, and normally the story now would be what we do wrong with the messaging. we should've done this in that. but if you already saying that the story that the election is fraudulent. that you never have to deal with the normal stuff that people do, consultants,
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politician's, all those folks around the election that doesn't work. >> it feels like they know that this is slipping away because, don't get me, wrong they are very serious issues to talk about. many issues that we've talked about. before in california you have the greatest economic inequality. covid is in the state is particularly horrible. while driven by climate change. are raging here. and our former democrats are tuned into -- president of united states turned up other vents like the one that i'm not tonight. this is a race from 2 to 1. but everything about the way that larry elder seems to be behaving, timmy says that this is an election that sleeping out of reach. an election that might have been in within reach. but may no longer feel that way >> as somebody who is on the ground there, what changed in the terms of the dynamic. was it just being open to attention. was it sort of leaning into a reference around covid. donald trump etc? >> you can see behind, me the message it this is a republican recall. and larry elder the opponent,
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the front running opponent of governor newsom, will be to the right. and that's a direct quote of donald trump. that's with gavin news and says, and i think that there's an all out effort by national -- bernie sanders reported a message -- president boma reported a message -- over the course of the last couple of weeks i think people were not paying attention here in california. people were rightly disenchanted with the way things have been going over the course of the last 18 months in california. governor newsom said that to me directly. but i think that the governor has not an effective job of painting what the alternative would be. and larry elder is that alternative. >> jacob thank you so much for reporting out, they're great report out there were not listen in our day from the last big campaign, before tomorrow's recall election. president joe biden will be joining him in long beach, making his first trip to california since taking off. the big democratic names have been taking out, vice president kamala harris from --
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campaigned alongside nuisance wednesday of last, week and the former president obama recorded this campaign at. >> hello californians. you've got a big choice to make by september 14th. governor newsom has spent the past year and a half protecting california commitments. now republicans are trying to recall him from office. and overturn common sense covid safety measures for health care workers and school staff. your vote could be the difference between protecting our kids, and putting them. risk helping californians recover or taking us backwards. >> the campaign manager for california anti recall campaign. he joins me right now from long beach, where joe biden is going to join the governor later tonight. >> i notice from the ad an image of the message, there's been a lot of talk about covid, and covid restrictions. how central do your campaign want that to be on the minds of voters? it's absolutely >> true from the moment we started the
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campaign. republicans have started to discuss this campaign about how the governors lead throughout the course of the campaign. we've had talking about the restrictions on mask, as well as talking about vaccine mandates across the state. and what we've seen is that voters across the state, and frankly all across the country, believe in science, and believe in the health outcome. so it's been central to our messaging. >> if you had to say what the governor hasn't gotten right on covid, what would you be? >> it's convincing republicans that the science behind mask and vaccine works. >> do you think california school should have been more in person? i know that there is a lot of criticism to that. obviously california has a huge unified school district. those students were out of school for very long period of, time compared to some other states. are you worried about the learning loss in those big
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school districts? >> you know from the beginning this pandemic, one thing the governor has been pretty clear about, is a desire to get kids back into classrooms. learning loss. it's something that you've seen across the country. and for that reason he's been really focused with working with public health officials to make sure that we update our classrooms, to make sure that we are following the guidance, and are doing everything possible to protect our. student so we don't have the same public health that you've seen things like texas. and in florida. >> there's been particular focus among latinos voters in california, and the run up to this, again, that category is amorphous in anyways for 1 million reasons which of course you know. it does seem that there's been some change in the polling in these, the latest poll 66% of latino said they would not vote for recall nuisance, and that's from a few weeks ago, it's a shift from previous polls that were tight, does that track with what you guys have internally? what do you think has cost?
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that >> well listen i think from the beginning we focus on building up a robust field operation, we've sent over 31 million text messages. we've had posted 25,000 people on the street heading into gotv. our intermission has been simple, we've been focused on raising up awareness. in the mail, they could turn it in, or they can vote at an election site near the. homes >> would about this question of inequality? it's a state which by many measures it's the highest measure of a quality, that does have fairly high texas relative to others an income earners. on how it's folks and billionaire sort of next to each other have become in some ways, a sort of national image of parts of california. i'll central a problem does the governor see that? and the zebra responsibility for the person substance of it? >> you have the symptoms of
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inequality that you're seeing in california and in other states over a year ago, we were anticipating over 54 billion dollar budget deficit. half of california's fair. we've dedicated 100 billion dollar surplus and putting it back into communities, and helping small businesses in providing golden stimulus. is and what you will see tomorrow what this election outcome is the governor leading on this outcome, and how he's letting those communities get back, and how he's managed throughout the course of the pandemic but the quality is certainly what we're going to have to be dealing for a long time. i think the governor here is has his leadership on display on what he could do. right >> okay he the campaign manager for governor gavin newsom, they are tempting a recall the last day to vote tomorrow. if you are watching this and you live in california you could still. vote so go do that. thank you mister rodriguez. >> merging strategy among some
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republicans, it's not an emergency actually -- they know vaccines are good. but acknowledging that would go it's against, they're going with anti vaccine mandates, fine line, the bottom line is you can't separate the two, and no one failed quite as much as run desantis that. you do not want to miss. that's. nexthat. you do not want to miss. that's next
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they're not the majority. they're not even the majority of republicans as far as we. no most republican voters are not in that category. certainly not republican politicians like governors, all of whom, every one of them are vaccinated. governors, understand, and i think the efficacy and safety of vaccine, that's where they've taken the shot and if you gave him a true serum in private, would likely tell, you yes everyone should get vaccinated. that would be good. we would save lives. but any republican governor with aspirations for higher office, can't really lean into that simple message because if they are too vocal, about their support for vaccines they risk, backlash from the fringe of the party, so the way they have tried to square that circle, is to mostly justice, silent though occasionally give support to the vaccines, to kind of just get on the right, or yes you should get the vaccine, but also standing up against vaccine mandates, which kind of allows them to have their cake and eat it too. oh i support the, vaccine but not mandates. in that same interview with fox news, nebraska's governor city
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plans to challenge the vaccine mandate for large companies. in texas, republican governor greg abbott van vaccine mandates in the state last. month florida rhonda santos, is now threatened to find local officials, after the city of janesville passed a vaccine mandate for city employees. that's in addition to his notorious and ludicrous attempts to stopped cruise ships, cruise ships of all places, from imposing vaccine requirements for everyone who gets on the ship. that was ultimately struck down in court. think. god republican politicians in their allies in the media know what they're doing, they're cynically mobilizing the energy of the anti-vaccine movement for their own political benefit, but i can't remember an example of this entire illusion being quite is flagrantly shoved in the face of everyone, as today in florida, governor desantis, who much like donald trump got vaccinated in private, and who plainly harbors presidential ambitions and cannot risk
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alienating his base, held an event today to protest local vaccine mandates in games ville. no mandates. featured a number of city employees who are refusing the shots. in surprise surprise, his anti vaccine mandate of and, quickly turned into something of a well, anti-vaccine event. >> thousands and thousands of people could be losing their jobs, not because they haven't performed well in fact many of them for heroically, but simply because of a very intrusive, and i think illegal policy. >> the vaccine changes your rna, so for me, that's a problem. i'm here with you folks, we don't want to have the vaccine, it's about our freedom and liberty, it's not about the vaccine, they're taking away our freedom and liberty. little by little. they're using the vaccine for cover. >> oh man, so much going on there. so clearly someone told him to make the argument is not about the vaccine, it's about
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freedom. but before i could get to that point, he had to say alters your rna, which it does not to be very clear. since we put that on our air. covid vaccines do not alter your genetic code that is faults in dangerously so. take another look at governance desantis there, as he's saying. he's not a stupid man he's an incredibly shrewd political operator. he understands what this man is saying, to an audience with his, -- he probably even understands, it's dangerous destructive nonsense. what is he doing that press conference? absolutely nothing. just complete and total abject cowardice and weakness. >> later a spokesperson told a local reporter, comments do not reflect the governor's co-opinion. also his opinion-y -- there you go. the governor of florida, you have the guy given the most violently inaccurate anti-vax -- that is why we are where we are as a country, there are dozens of republican governors pulling
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similar stunts as their states battle covid, and is the sweeping new piece, these governors come from the states with some of the strictest vaccine mandates in the, country he joins me next. country he joins me next
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every single time tyrants have tried to place in emphasis on their individuals, in your country, they've always said, i'm doing it because it's in the best interest of our citizens. defect is, we have a representative democracy in america, and if the president wants to do this, and then he should get the elected representatives to vote on it. >> governor. did you just call the president of the united states a tyrant? >> i did not. stuart what i said was if you look back in history, this is nothing but a tyrannical type move by the president, >> the reason governor -- he says he will sue to stop, it
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calling it unconstitutional. and terrifying. undeclared on twitter, we still believe in freedom from tyrants. even though a cheryl stolberg points out in the new york times, there's a deep inconsistency in that. argument mississippi as some of the strictest vaccine mandates in the nation. which is not drawn opposition for most of its officials. not only does it require children to be vaccinated against measles month and seven other diseases, your eye goes a step further than the most states by barring parents from claiming religious philosophical or conscience is exemptions. in fact every single state in our nation has some kind of legally mandated vaccine for children go to school. and yet there are nearly two dozen republican governors who have vowed to block president biden's vaccine requirements, -- all four of the f4 mentioned piece titled gop see this edged biden mandate, even in states requiring other vaccines. she joins me now >> joe. can you lay out a little bit, i thought it was a great piece of reporting about how this is
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been received in the states. >> well, as you mentioned, republican governors are really up in arms over president biden's vaccine mandates, in particular, his requirement that businesses with 100 and more employees, either mandate vaccination or require mandatory testing. what those governors are not telling you, is that their own states require vaccination, and have vaccine mandates. as you read in the intro, every stay in this country has vaccine mandates for kids. some have them for certain adults and health workers, some of these republican states of some of the toughest mandates in the nation. mississippi, which has one of the lowest covid-19 vaccination rates in the nation, has one of the highest if not the highest child vaccination rate. >> that's interesting, clearly the requirements is a huge lever. here there's two big differences here right. just to sort of give the argument that folks make, one
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is that, well it's children as opposed to adults, in the other this is new. and those are not new. >> right so a couple of things about, that first of all, all vaccines were new at one point, and when some of those other vaccines, like for measles and mumps etc, were new, there was pushback over vaccine mandates, but overtime, they became accepted, the second thing that republican governors will point, out and correctly, so is that the president does not have authority to issue a national vaccine mandate, but president biden has not issued an actual vaccine mandate, he is grounding his mandates in federal law, notably the workplace safety law, that established osha. which guarantees federal health and safety standards for workers. so these are grounded in law. >> it's one thing that striking about that, is that the
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regulated entities here do not seem to be the ones flying into fits of hysterics. you see a lot of officeholders saying this is tyranny, they're not actually the regulated enemies. it's employers with 100 employees. and i'm sure some employers like it, but by and large you have not seen some huge rebellion. >> right, some employers. do i can share with you a forthcoming study by the rockefeller foundation, that's going to be released at midnight tonight, they surveyed more than 1100 employers, and they found that 93%, 93%, more than nine out of, ten are either requiring vaccination or strongly encouraging it. you're not hearing a lot of pushback, a lot of screaming from the business community on. this in fact, some of the business organization support what president biden is doing. >> finally, the subtext air, the background reality is that vaccination rates are lower, in
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parts of the country, that are more conservative, just as a matter of correlation not cause. but there's been running these, charts in a bunch of people have been pouring through the data, you find this intense correlation, and it's pretty clear that these political leaders, feel the need to sort of speak to that sentiment in a certain part of their constituents. >> that's right, you know what the political leaders themselves have actually been encouraging people, to get vaccinated, governor reeves of mississippi who you saw before has encouraged, people the governors of alabama, and other states. other republican governors, who are pushing back on these mandates. have actually encourage vaccination. there's some thought that really what biden is doing is giving them cover. by requiring it. he's basically taking the heat off republican governors, they don't have to push the constituents to do. at the big bad president of the united states can be the, can be the bad guy. >> it's funny, when you think about requirements, one of the things there's been all these
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fights about vaccine shaming and persuasion, to the extent it's required. it just stops being a discourse. and just starts being what people have to do. >> while public health experts will tell you is that in a pandemic, individual liberty kind of takes a backseat to the collective. to the community, and unless everybody is vaccinated, it's like nobody is vaccinated. because you need high levels of either vaccination or natural immunity to prevent an infectious disease from spreading. it's really important, and getting vaccinated is something that we do, for the collective, and that's the public health theory behind that. cheryl, thanks for joining us. next, the front level of the capital with protective barriers going back, up ahead of a rally. police making disturb or east governing near the headquarters. what we know about the man with the machete. after this. the machete. after this
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arrested in washington d.c., for possession of a slew of prohibited weapons. a machete and a bayonet. they found them in his truck, which was parked outside the headquarters of the democratic national committee. we'll show you some images of his car, and what they found, but i should tell you ahead of time it's got some really disturbing white supremacist symbols all over it. u.s. capitol police say an officer novellas this around midnight, outside. it had no license, played just a u.s. flag image in the plate holder, and here's where it gets really disturbing, swastikas painted on the side mirror. another one inside the driver's door by the window. capitol police say the man had a machete and bayonet, both with alum number of. nuys the suspect a 44-year-old man from california, allegedly told police he was on patrol, and expressed white supremacist ideology.
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he has to face a judge tomorrow morning. it all comes as capitol police are already on high alert, today the new capitol police chief just briefed congressional leaders, on the preparations ahead of saturday's pro trump justice for january 6th rally. and events calling the rioters jailed in charged in connection with assaulting the capitol, political prisoners. today when house minority or kim mccarthy thinks -- he responded, i don't think anyone's. here's politicals progression reporter uncovering the lead up to this rally. in her most recent piece, she -- will not attend. and she joins me now. i saw the reporting, i want to ask you about, it because i was actually surprised. first let's just tell us about what the event to his, and why the briefing today from capitol security. >> so there is a former trump official, who is planning this rally, because he claims this some of the rioters were arrested on january six, our political prisoners, because they're being somehow treated
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unfailingly in the federal core system. there's no evidence to support that they're being treated unfairly. but you still have a group of trump supporters coming in protesting, suggesting that the riot that led to 600 arrests, was somehow predicated unfairness. that's what we're expecting to see and saturday. -in officials are bracing for the potential for violence. so we are seeing the fence a temporary fence going back up around the capital. she had things get out of control. >> what was the briefing today, from in who got the briefing? >> top congressional leaders pelosi kevin mccarthy mitch mcconnell, and chuck schumer. all of them received a briefing about the potential threat of the rally. pelosi and schumer both walked out and said that they believe they feel more prepared. compared to january six, where
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we know the intelligence report suggested that the intelligence once and being shared properly, and that led to the security failures. i also talked to mitch mcconnell walking, in and i asked him, do you think leader should be encouraging their members not to be attending this? and i did not get a response. but those are the questions you saw kevin mccarthy saying that he doesn't think any of his members are. they're not entirely speaking out against the event. or seeing don't attend the event. but they're trying to kind of basically be a little bit more quiet, ahead of the rally. without upsetting the base or numbers by speaking out against. it >> this is interesting, i would've figured we've seen marjorie taylor greene and matt gates, doing things like showing up the department of justice demanding to see the political prisoners. i would've guess they would go to this. it strikes me that there was some back and forth in that
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caucus, about this. as maybe not a great look to attend. >> i don't know if there have been any kind of formal issuance about don't intend for mccarthy, there haven't been as far as i've heard. but the i had contacted matt gates repeatedly, there's some who are not telling me that they're not going to attend. but marjorie taylor greene, he has both been on the forefront and are claiming that their political prisoners, do not attend to go. i think there's always a risk politically if this does turn violent. lawmakers will be very careful about not having their names attached to it especially after we saw on january six. despite the organizer promising that they're working very closely with law enforcement, to make sure there is not violence. one thing that i do think is an underlying problem for republicans, that this rally
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just underscores, is that part of the base is just they still believe that january 6th is justified. they still believe the election is stolen. in that is where these republicans are being put in uncomfortable positions. >> olivia, who covers congress very. well thank you very much appreciate. >> thanks chris. >> fresh from undermining roe v. wade supreme court justice amy coney barrett is outraged. that people see the court is partisan. right after this. right after this right after this on it. on it. on it, with jardiance. they're 22 million prescriptions strong. meet the people who are managing type 2 diabetes and heart risk with jardiance. jardiance is a once-daily pill that can reduce the risk of cardiovascular death for adults who also have known heart disease. so it could help save your life from a heart attack or stroke. and jardiance lowers a1c. jardiance can cause serious side effects including dehydration, genital yeast or urinary tract infections,
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conservatives in the supreme court have among many other things allowed dark money and political campaigns, they go to the voting rights act and one crucial provision, dramatically weakened it in another, and made it much harder for unions to collect dues. most recently a day declined to block texas is near band of abortions, which is currently
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in effect in preventing, one in ten women of childbearing age in the u.s., from exercising their constitutional right to an abortion. whatever you do, it's important said the court justice, that no one perceive the court as acting on a partisan matter. no matter what it is actually doing. as the associated press reports, supreme court justice amy coney barrett expressed concerns on sunday. that the public may increasingly say the court is in partisan institution. justices much be hypervigilant to make sure they're not letting personal biases creep into their decisions, that judges are people too, said it a lecture hosted by the university of louisville's mcconnell center. way that mcconnell? yes it continues. introduced by senate republican leader mitch mcconnell, who founded the center in played a key role in pushing through her confirmation, in the last days of the trump administration. barrett spoke at length about her desire for others to see the supreme court as non
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partisan. yes both xi and mcconnell are not dumb in they both knew what they were doing. remember amy coney barrett's nomination was so rushed that the company white house held a super spreaders ceremony announcing her selection. before justice ruth she voices concerns that she was introduced by mitch mcconnell who completely blocked barack obama from appointing -- only to push barrett's nomination through in the waning days of donald trump's first term. just bear expressed concern, people might think the court has become too partisan. imagine the. here is the justice correspondent -- senior lead opener and correspondent of sleet. they both join me now. i feel like this was designed to produce the reaction we're going to. get so i feel a little bit baited here but i also feel like i have to take the bait, dahlia. to me there's actually a deep point here.
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there's a reason that roger ailes chose we report you decide fair and balance for fox news, because it actually was an important part of the branding to have a be the fact that we're not conservative we don't have a point of view. this is just the truth. and i think people in the court understand that same principle. >> i'm actually kind of glad chris that were just grabbing the insane hung in quality of's standing and giving a speech of how there's no gambling going on. cassettes just straight-up trolling. let's not waste our time, one thing that i really really noticed and i think kind of got lost in the irony today, is the way in which she went to an event, as you said, it was a mitch mcconnell event, in the press was not advised it was happening. there is no recordings of. it a handful of recorders where there were allowed to take notes. they removed the back of the room, according to jess clark who reported it for a local
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paper. and then she slapped the press, then she said that the press misrepresents with the court does. it is the most astonishing lack of self knowledge. to get up and say, that you shouldn't listen to reporters, you should read are incredibly nuanced opinion, that was a page and a half last week. on the abortion case. in just don't trust the press to their lying to you, trust me were nonpartisan, it's next-level. >> that's such a great point to. my first thought was, a used to make a television show, we should get the video of that. oh there's no video of. that it doesn't exist. because again, she can get this message out, and she can stand next to mitch mcconnell for photos, but video is a bridge too far. in terms of this crazy bit of gaslighting. >> look at what the press actually did. she's right, look at the press did.
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they gave her what she wanted. because the ap as you just headlined, they copied her notes, set our press release. put out that headline without the context of the hypocrisy in the headline. that headline should have been like partisan facts in frayed, people might notice hacker. that would've been an accurate headline. they didn't do that did they. in amy coney barrett's entire career, is built on the press, being unable or unwilling to call her out when she's coming or even accurately report her views and her intentions on the board. in her first year on the supreme court, as you pointed out, she's taken away women write she's taken away voting rates and she's taken away avoiding rates. she promised to do this to get the job. and yet the mainstream media refused to call or out on it. and even today, as she stands there in basic louise fits in
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their face, they still write the headline that she required, that she desired them to write. that's the real, those people need to also grow up. and take some responsibility, for what they're doing to the country. >> let me just make this point. i don't know who wrote the headline, the piece itself i thought was quite good, and was pretty clear about the inherent hypocrisy intention here. just in terms of the writing. but i also think that lake here's the thing, amy coney barrett saying this it's not like just conservatism. this is like dogma for liberals as well. that the court is not partisan in look at all these die no decisions on obscure questions of statutory interpretation for the railroad commission or whatever. when you people talking about? those site that chapter in verse. and then, as part of that, is going around saying it is, book saying whom he retired? here's what he had to say recently, which also may be kind of lose my mind. this is breyer on not intending to die in the court take a
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listen. >> i don't intend to die on the court, i don't think i'll be there forever. but i've said a few of the considerations pretty decent. there are many factors in fact quite a few, in lieu of the court and so forth it's one of them. in this situation, the institutional considerations or some. i believe, i can't say i take anything perfectly into account, but in my own minds i think about those things. >> so, why did she retire? >> i did retire because i didn't decide that i would retire. >> would you think about the i don't intend to die in the court? >> i mean, and i feel like we've talked about this before chris, i think that we have to just except, that the nine justices live in a world in which they believe they are magic. they are wizard. and they are iraqi healer, and they are brees in bats, that's
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how they sleep at night. because if they believe they were political hacks they would run for congress. they believe this. and i think the question that ali is asking, certainly the question i'm asking, is why are we spending so much time, repeating this. why do we keep saying, i guess we must believe them. because they tell us that they really get along at the lunch table. so there's nothing political going on there. they're not stabbing each other with shrimp forks in the eye. and i think it's just a bizarre conversation. you want to believe your magic, awesome. go at it. but why do we have to collude with that? and why is it they were expending energy talking about that, instead of the fact that the core is decimating, and as alice said, voting, rates reproductive rates, union, writes in front of our very eyes. isn't that the conversation we should be having? >> elie? >> do you require a duck to be
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self aware that it's a duck? before you call it a duck? is that really the level that we're at? because that's where the press seems to be. unless the duck says quack quack, i am a duck. then we can't call it that. if the duck things he's actually rich, it is a media mogul, like scrooge. then the media has to say, scrooge today, wanted some bread. that's how they reported. it's very frustrating. the other thing i want to bring up before we go, is there is another person in this story that can stop we saw from bear last night. and that is chief justice john roberts. as the great julius campbell said, -- and john roberts sits can say you know what barrett, we're not doing that. because you know what, i do care about what's political. and we are not gonna go to the mcconnell center. brett kavanaugh, you're not going to go to the federal society. were -- we are going to be above the
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fray. and if john roberts said, that they would do it. but he doesn't does he. because he is just as an implicit in this at all the. rest >> ali, -- that is. all the rachel maddow show starts right now. good evening rachel. >> good evening chris my friend. much appreciated. good evening rachel. >> good evening chris. thanks for joining us at home this hour. happy to have you join us tonight. are you ready to time travel with me? shall we do this together? we're not time traveling very far, so you're not going to need like a victorian costume. we will not require a spacesuit. we're going to time travel, but we're only going to time travel into the future 26 hours. it turns out we can leapfrog magically into the future 26 hours tonight at this website. it is the campaign website for
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