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supporters in the capital who are celebrating the january 6th attack. and calling for the release for the people who arrested in that insurrection effort. we just got in this footage, this is moments, ago of the fencing indeed going up around the supreme court. we reported earlier that that was going to happen, it is happening now as we speak. sign of the times. it does it for us tonight, we will see you again tomorrow. now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> good evening rachel, and i have on the desk the book peril, it seems like every other week there is a new book of great import. this is by my count bob woodward's 14th book on the presidency, and his first book coauthored with robert costa. we are going to be discussing it tonight because of the revelations that are now being focused on in some media reports with the paul ryan speaker of the house. consulting psychiatry papers about narcissistic personality
disorder, trying to figure out how to deal with donald trump. and so mary trump who has made a lifetime study, both professionally and otherwise. of donald trump in this problem has going to take us through what's she, would have a perspective as an experience with donald trump. >> yes, she is the only person in the overlap between trained mental health professional, and lifelong observer from childhood of donald trump. she is the. one she is the bubble person of all of this. >> and just to make sure, the invaluable perspective on donald trump. we were just a lucky that she chose the educational path that she chose. she is such a smart talker and great writer about it. so we are lucky to have you tonight. we >> thank you >> thank you rachel. the new book peril by bob
woodward robert costa revealed that, we he consulted a doctor and consulted psychiatric research, to figure out how to deal with donald trump, since trump was so obviously mentally unstable. in their book, woodwork and costa reported, once trump won, ryan was caught off-guard. he now had to deal with him. ryan begin, on his own, to research how to deal with somebody who is a moral and transactional. the exercise additionally was difficult. ryan would like to call himself a policy guy. but his wonkiness did not extend from the realm of societal cystic radium de-acre into psychiatry. then, it was the new yorker doctor and republican donor called ryan and said. you need to understand what narcissistic personality disorder is. what ryan asked. the doctor sent write a memo and an email with his thoughts on how to best deal with the person with antisocial
personality disorder. he also sent along hyperlinks to dense articles in the new england journal of medicine. the memo contain material from the internal statistical classification of diseases and related health problems, tenth addition, called icy detain. ryan studied them for weeks convinced trump had the personality disorder. ryan's main takeaway. do not humiliate trump in public. humiliating a narcissist risk real danger, a frantic lashing out if he felt threatened or criticize. on a visit to trump tower, on december 9th, 2016, paul ryan found the president elect incapable of concentrating on anything. quote >> trump nodded as ryan spoke earnestly about taxes in health care, then look down at his cell phone, which was ringing. it was sean hannity of fox news. he answered the call as ryan and his advisers years that style.
yeah i'm here with paul trump told hannity. oh you want to talk with him? trump look at ryan. then put the call on speakerphone. shawn talked to paul. he told the host. and hannity did for about seven minutes. >> we don't know whether paul ryan study of donald trump's personality disorder included listening to the psychiatrist who appeared on this program to discuss that very subject beginning exactly one month into the term presidency on february 21st 2017. >> if we could construct a psychiatric frankenstein monster, we could not create a leader more dangerous the mentally ill than donald trump. his paranoid side go narcissist that is divorced from reality, that lashes out impulsive badly, and this is somebody that you mentioned is handling the new color. codes he lies because of his sociopathic tendencies that doctor gardner was talking
about. >> he can't stand that aspect of reality that he doesn't want, so he rejects it. his grasp of reality and his attention to reality is loose an extremely dangerous trait in a president to actually make him unqualified. >> he is just saying enough as it were to pass, but actually detached from reality as dr. do this said, so that what is real is fluid. it's totally valuable by his personality disorder. so if you have somebody handling the new color codes who is not in touch with reality, and he was paranoid, who actually imagines that he is under attack by people who are not actually attacking him, then what you have is a very dangerous combination of somebody who can act on his paranoid fantasies. in a way that could have catastrophic consequences. >> his rule of not humiliating
trump in public, was broken in august 2017. here is the woodward and cost account in peril. quote >> a lasting rupture came in august 15 2017. on a hiking trip with this, family a member of reince a person security team approached with the satellite phone. on the, line an adviser had bad news. trump was at it again blaming both sides for charlottesville. the media was asking for comment. right inside. this time he had to pop trump publicly. standing alone of the side of the mountain. ryan began to dictate a cutting statement that was then tweeted out. >> paul ryan actually tweeted we >> must be clear, white supremacy is repulsive. this bigotry is counter to all this country stands for there can be no moral ambiguity. >> woodward and cost a report, once back in normal cellular range, reince phone buzzed, it was trump. you're not in the foxhole with
me. trump screamed. ryan reeled back, are you finished. may i have some time to speak? now you are the president of the united states. you have a moral leadership obligation to get this right, and not declare is a moral equivalency here. these people love me. these are my people. trump shot back. i can't backstab these people who support me. in charlottesville nazis were chanting jews would not replaces. and donald trump said these people love me. one of the nazis drove his car into a crowd of people and killed heather hire, and donald trump said, these people love me. these are my people. donald trump said i can't backstab the people who support me. that's why donald trump has never, and will never condemn, the trump mob of criminals and
terrorists who attacked the capital. and tonight paul ryan, who was once the republican nominee for vice president of the united states and speaker of the house responded of and the republican most likely to someday be nominated for president, is a private citizen. who was in effect knocked out of politics by donald trump, by 2019, and is living the rich quiet life of among other things. being a member of the board of directors of fox news. and donald trump? who is knocked out of often by joe biden remains the leader of what is left of the republican party. leading off our discussion tonight's democratic congressman we hakeem jeffries, congressman jeffries thank you for joining us tonight, what is your reaction to what we are looking learning in bob woodward and robert costa's book. about paul ryan's interaction with donald trump. and his preparation for dealing
with what's he considered to be at minimum a mentally unstable incoming president? >> well it's extraordinary, but the challenge in dealing with donald trump is that not only is he a malignant narcissist, but he of course is a psychopath, any pathological liar, at the same. time that is pretty complicated for an ordinary citizen. it's incredible to have to deal with someone of that nature. as the president of the united states of america. the challenge that the republican's have had. is that they accepted donald trump for who he was. and continues to be, in part because for the acquisition and maintenance of raw power to accomplish their own policy in the case of paul ryan, that's cutting taxes for the wealthy, the well off, and the wall connected. and in the case of -- that is a jam right wing of print court justice down the
throat of the american people to take us back to the dark ages. >> so paul ryan, you're the speaker of the house, the second in line for the presidency after the president of the united states in the line of succession, and you're working with the republican of your own party who you believe has mental health problems in the extreme, and he seems to have had nothing about it except come up with a tactic for verbally dealing with trump himself, but he did nothing on the record that we know about, to protect the country from this kind of president. >> that is certainly the case. things have deteriorated from there. because i think paul ryan is fundamentally a good man. i disagree with him on policies, and clearly he has some challenges, a trump could've done much more to articulate but publicly. but right now you have a leader,
who is a subsidiary of donald trump. and italy because he sees trump and trumpism as a pathway back to house republican control of the majority. which would be a frightening thing. because it was functionally beat donald trump running the house of representatives, and partnership with kevin mccarthy, and matt gates, and the rest of that group of individuals. >> can i ask, what is the difference in effect between paul ryan, as a leader of republicans in the house, and kevin mccarthy as the leader? >> that is a great question. i think at least paul ryan had some policy goals and objectives that they wanted to achieve. mostly that we disagreed. with a paul ryan was very helpful in working with some of us on the other side. and getting criminal justice reform, while at the finish. line kevin mccarthy is all about the acquisition of power.
that's it. there is no ideology. there is no policy concerns. there is no effort to try and improve the lives of everyday americans to work with us as democrats, to crush the virus, or improve the economy. in order for cub been mccarthy to achieve his ambition, he has decided that i am just going to bend the need to donald trump, it doesn't matter that he sparked a violent insurrection an attack on the capitol that an extraordinary event in american history and is dangerous. kevin mccarthy, still hasn't denounced this hate filled violent rally that is being planned on saturday, outside of the capital to defend the insurrection-less. >> are you satisfied with what you know to be the preparations for the security of the capital this weekend? >> yes i know speaker pelosi has been in close communication with all of the security
officials who are new, we have a new police chief of the capitol hill police squad. and we have a new sergeant in arms. and we perhaps have most importantly, a biden administration that is going to take this effort seriously. not potentially hold back the national guard to the extends the need arises. >> hakeem jeffries, thank you very much for starting off our discussion tonight. >> thank you lawrence. >> and joining us now is mary l. trump the author of the book the reckoning. our nation's trauma and finding a way to heal. >> thank you very much for joining us tonight, i really appreciated. eager to get your reaction to the woodward and costa account of paul ryan doing his psychiatric homework on narcissistic personality disorder. during the presidential transition, when he was trying to figure out president elect donald trump, what are your plans? >> as often the case, it
shocking but not surprising. one of the things they are talking about is paul ryan was allegedly found flat-footed after the election, when anybody who is paying attention, anybody with some odd of intelligence and who had met donald for five minutes would have known what a deeply psychologically distorted person he was. so for paul ryan to have waited for donald to be in the oval office before doing his homework, and attempting to put up safeguards long after he actually could've done something to make a difference, is a testament to how we got to where we are. that the kind of fecklessness of people like paul ryan and jeff flake who instead of taking a stand against what is clearly a dangerous and incompetent in person, they
just stood aside and let him ascend to power. i have left the rest of us to deal with the quite serious fallout. >> it seems that paul ryan's personal strategy in all of this, once he saw how impossible was to deal with this mad man in the white house, was to basically track his own personal exit strategy, not just from the speaker shipment, not just from the house representative, but from politics entirely. and landed softly and as ritually as he could on corporate words. like fox news. that was apparently his route of moral responsibility that he found for himself. >> yes i guess he found a just too difficult to stay in the fight, and tried to save his party from its worst instincts. which obviously were championed
by donald. the problem is potentially monitoring influences, and i'm not suggesting that he ultimately would have been, but at the time the belief was that people like paul ryan would be some kind of moderating influence. because they chose to be cowards. get out of public life, we now understand that donald is not the end result of how bad the republican party can be. he is the leading edge of it. >> mary l. trump, as a psychology professional this is the thing that has been mystifying me since the weeks after the inauguration. when donald trump was running for president and should have been losing, there were times when i used to theoretically say to myself, occasionally to, others it would be so interesting to see him win the presidency because that he would discover that paul ryan is more powerful than he is. that the speaker of the house
it actually tells the president what is possible legislatively. and that the senate majority leader is more powerful than the president's on domestic policy issues. then i saw something i've never seen before, the collective collapse of the male ego. paul ryan, mitch mcconnell, all of these republican chairman's a powerful committees who used to love to defy presidents of their own party, and other parties, just of not to show how powerful they were. and washington one republican men suddenly the mill eagle evaporated. in the face of donald trump, and i've never had a satisfactory explanation for that. >> well i think that is true in some cases, in some cases i think it's also true that there are many elective republicans who absolutely agree with donald. and his hateful rhetoric, and then i think that people like mitch mcconnell are playing along.
game and us representative, jeffrey said earlier, he sees donald as an opportunity, to retains and cling to rock power no matter how illegitimately he gets his hands on it, so he is willing to make asserting concessions because behind closed doors i still think that there is nobody more powerful than mitch mcconnell. >> as you see these kind of reportings come up from, bob woodward and robert costa, you see that people were actually thinking about your uncle in the terms you have been thinking about him before he even became a politician. and you see paul ryan doing the psychiatric homework on your uncle. did you feel, and you must a felt very frustrated about publicly how long it took them to catch on. to just how far gone he was. >> yes, it honestly, lawrence
mystifies me, because it's not as if dame has a poker face. you know. he's exactly who he. is he has no private self. he's what we call false elf. is the same in any context. in any situation. so again if you're paying the slightest bit of attention, you'll know, you know what he would be capable of doing. and as you've said before. the republicans had some of the opportunities. they had so many off-ramps to cut ties with him and to defend our country against him. yet they never did. i mean i'm very glad the general milley took the steps he took. and obviously there's a lot we still don't know. but giving an anonymous interview, to bob woodward, just doesn't covet i'm afraid. so we have a lot of soul searching to do. and we have to ensure going
forward that our institutions are safeguarded, because what donald has shown us, not purposely of course, is that fragile institutions been through the greatest dysfunctions. turns out that our institutions and our systems are very very fragile indeed. >> mary trump i can never thank you enough for joining us, and i hope as you heard rachel and i discuss at the beginning of the hour, your perspective on your uncle, both professional and personal is so invaluable. to this country to understand what we have been through, what we can continue to go through, and for historians, just cannot thank you enough. mary trump, really appreciated. >> thank you lawrence. >> coming up we will return next and be joined by, jeanne swirling. when jim spilling was an economic adviser, and i was chief advisor of the match -- and we work together to get
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that are struggling to pay their bills yesterday. 35 million families with 60 million children across the united states started receiving their third monthly direct payment of the child tax credit with president biden and democrats. expended by a single republican in congress voted for that expansion. but treasury department data shows, that the top ten states by average monthly child tax credit payments, are all states that voted republican in the last presidential election. iowa, nebraska, south dakota, montana, wyoming, utah, and alaska. all families earning below $150,000 are eligible to receive a full child tax credit of $3,000 per child. under the age of 18. with an additional $600 per child under the age of six.
president biden and congressional democrats. want to extend the child tax credit expansion through 2025. on sunday, democratic senator joe manchin was asked about making it permanent. >> do you support making a permit? >> well i support child tax credit. let's talk about this before you say if it's gonna be permanent. let's see how we're doing. let's make sure that we're getting into the right. people if it's child tax credit, you want to help the children. and the parents they're basically providing for the children. there's no work requirements whatsoever. there's no education requirement whatsoever about your skill set. don't you think if you want to help the children that people should make some effort. >> joining us now is james berlin white house coordinator for the american rescue plan. gene sperling, what is your response to what we just heard senator manchin say? >> well listen, i think that in the long run, it's going to be a tough negotiation as lawrence, you and i have been through
together 93 other times. but i think that will get there, and i think the reason why is because there is a shared value here. if you look at this build back better plan overall it, is so much about reinstating, tax ferments, making sure the economy is for working families. and it's giving the type of support that allows working families to work and raise their children with dignity. in terms of the issues that senator manchin is raising, but we have great respect for, we think when you look at it, we will all agree that it is getting to the children that we wanted to. first of all 97% of the children that receive the child tax credit, 97%, are in working families. that's number one. number two, many of those 3% that aren't, are facing a disability, and excessive health care challenges, or
disability challenge, or excessive care for older parents, or children. we think that it is getting to the children we need. and we're already seeing that. middle-class families are overwhelmingly using this for back to school clothes, forgetting dental cost, for paying down credit card that. but for lower income families, it's a big boost. it is projected overtime to have a major impact. and could have a permit impact on reducing child poverty. reducing child hunger. so i think that there is going to be negotiations there always are. but i think in the end people are going to see that this child tax credit is agar nique and powerful proposal, very much like social security in that, -- says that it's a lifeline for middle life family -- but it can be a lifeline for children out of poverty. when you get all of that in one policy, that is a powerful policy, and if republicans oppose that, then there's going to be supporting, raising taxes
on all of the working middle class. families and making it that much more harder for them to meet the cost of raising their families and their children. >> so is, if the administration's position that you want to extended to 2025? or is it to make it permanent? >> our budget proposal, in this reconciliation, is two extended for years and years. to 2025. but our ultimate goal, president biden's ultimate, gold is a people will see that this does work. but it is a major boom for middle class economic security. and for reducing child poverty. so our ultimate goal is unquestionably that this will be a permanent part, eventually it will be a permanent part of our economic. policy and in doing so, there would be as president biden says, making sure that we are offering tax relief. that is helping hardworking middle class families, meet the cost of raising their children, and at the same time reflecting
a valued deep for many of us. and certainly president biden. that every child deserves the basics in life. they deserve a chance to move. up and we have seen that, people ask me if the child tax credit could have a permanent decrease of child poverty by 35 40%, just that one policy alone. so i think that this is a policy that we want to get extended for several years now. and that ultimately make a permanent part of our economic policy. and i think it will be enormous positive legacy for all of the advocates. all of the senators. and president biden himself. and what they did during their time, during 2021, to make life better for hardworking families in our country. >> and how is it paid for? in this reconciliation bill? >> this is an important point. a lot of people are like this
thing cost a lot. or would there be calls for inflation. you know lawrence, it's a funny discussion. i think normally when we see a budget, plan we look at what are the net cost, how much as a cost overall. this is a plan. whether it's a child tax credit, or an overall big build back better. plan to hug. saving what it is, is not that it's going to add cost, or add cost to the deficit. it's about what budgets, and tax puzzles or weasel. priority, values, who you're fighting. for this proposal, yes, does ask our wealthiest americans and corporations, many of them have passed zero taxes on huge profits, to pay their fair share. in doing so, the extra cost of having this child tax credit, which is 30 $600 as you said, for a child under six. 3004 children up to 17, for virtually every middle class family.
working family, and longtime family in our country. can be added without adding a penny to deficit, or dead. because it's part of an overall proposal to make our tax system more fair. this will be one of the largest and most significant tax cuts for working families and children in the history of our. country >> gene sperling now working in his third democratic white house, and future democratic presidents are going to want him in this white house. is gene sperling, think you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you lawrence thank you for having me. >> and coming up pennsylvania republicans have issued a subpoena for the kind of personal information about you, about what hackers would love to steal from your computers they can now steal your identity. republicans are trying to get that data, on 7 million people in pennsylvania who voted for the last election. and if you live in pennsylvania, your privacy has never been more threatened than right now, and if you don't live in pennsylvania, don't be
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has a big problem what should they call what the republicans are doing their? the philadelphia inquiry is refusing to call it an audit, of the last presidential election because as the newspaper so politely put it. there is no indication it would follow the best practices or the common understanding of an audit among non participant experts. >> republicans in pennsylvania are trying to launch the largest attack on privacy in the history of american state legislation. what's republican state senator voted to approve subpoenas to obtain voter records, which includes quote. the names dates, of birds, drivers isis numbers, last four digits of so social security, number addresses and method of voting's for millions of people who cast ballots in the may primary and november general
election. >> if you voted in pennsylvania, all 7 million of you, republicans want every piece of information about you. that would allow someone to steal your identity. republicans cannot guarantee you that that information would be handled carefully. in fact they don't even know who's going to handle it. there is no chance of that information being handled carefully, because the people who want that information don't even know what kinds of precautions are necessary to protect that alike that. pennsylvania's democratic, general is vowing to protect that by channeling the subpoenas in. court pennsylvania actually conducted to real audits of the presidential election before certifying that joe biden won that state by more than, 80,000 votes. joining us now is democratic congressman conor lamb of pennsylvania. he is now a candidate for the united states senate. running for the seat and now occupied by a republican senator. >> thank you very much for joining us tonight, congressman
lamb. i want your reaction to what the pennsylvania republicans are requesting in the subpoenas. >> i think you use the key word in your opening lawrence, it's nice what the newspaper did. but this isn't just an audit. it is an attack. it's an attack on our system, and on our democracy itself. and in this particular instance, i think people are really going to feel it once they realize that the republicans want all their personal information. it's just one of many ways in which they hope to scare people out of voting. and if they can't scare them out. they'll try to keep them out. by getting rid of drop boxes convenient voting hours, vote by mail. and if they can't do that, they will get out the county election workers, or the state election worker who is actually counting the ballots and some of the states. if they can't do, that they will physically attacked the capital, like so many of their powers that on generous. except this particular commission in our state started with somebody who was at the
capitol on january. six so these things are all intimately connected. there is no mystery about what's going on, these people are desperate to maintain their power by any means. possible it's hard to understand why they're doing it because of, 7 million people who voted are not going to like having their personal information spilled. but people need to understand that this is a financial scam. they do this so they can send out emails to raise money off of. it that's what they did in arizona. it's very profitable for. them they've been doing it in this case already. and it will continue. so that's what we're up against. those are the stakes. >> they are doing it to republican voters. and that point you just made of, them trying to make people afraid to vote. if you are afraid of getting your identity stolen because all of your data has been handed over to some private individual, private so-called company who doesn't know what they're doing with it, or might even have malicious intent. that will scared republican voters from voting as well as
democratic voters. the way it will escape this, as a pennsylvania citizen, is simply not to vote. that is the message that they are giving across the board. >> right. i didn't say that these particular republicans were smart. but they are very determined. they have a short term focus on two things, to stay in power. they see money, and getting donald trump's approval. that's what you need to be in the game on their side. we see a time and again. i know you guys cover tonight. our colleague from ohio who said he wasn't gonna run again, because it will for peach mitigates trump, which was the right thing to do, makes it impossible to be on their. side you see. they know what they need to do and if it was up to than those shrink the electorate down as far as they possibly can so that they can try to get their narrow slice of it out. and it's increasingly being a narrow slice. but i think will focus on our side has to realize, is this is not a joke.
they're not so stupid that we can make fun of them that they're going to leave to their own demise. these people are willing to do anything to try to take power in our state. which is one of the key states in the country. and we have to make our defense impregnable. this is an attack. our defense to it, yes, it will come in the form of laws and voting rights, and all those. things but ultimately it's written inside of. us and if you know somebody who is running for school board this year, or town council, or county commissioner, and they are counting these votes, you have to get out there and. help them for a state wide judicial candidates we are going to be the one deciding these cases. you have to donate to and support people who believe in democratic self government. it's that simple. and they knock on us as democrats, that we only show ever before. years that isn't continent anymore. there's word too much on the line for this now. and this is the way this episode to convince us of. that >> conor lamb candidate for senate in pennsylvania, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you learns.
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state with the highest per capita covid death rate in the country. mississippi passed new york and new jersey to the hardest hit state in the early days of the pandemic. mississippi has now suffered 306 deaths per hundred thousand residents. mississippi but vaccination rates is 31%, which ranks 48 out of the 50 states. and today mississippi's attorney general, one of the 24 republican generals attorney generals, was sent a letter to the biden administration to threaten the law of biden's vaccine mandate requiring business with 100 employees or more to ensure their employees are vaccinated or undergo weekly testing. california's governor gavin newsom crossed the republican campaign to remove him from office this week. today governor newsom said he won two thirds of the votes in california by stressing the strong public health tactics. mississippi's governor refuses to use in the battle against covid-19. today on cbs governor newsom
said this. >> what i'm seeing here is, be affirmative. don't be timid. lean in. because at the end of the day it's not just about the formal authority, of setting the tone on vaccines and mask. but it's the moral authority that we have. that we are on the right side of history. and we are doing the right thing to save peoples lives. >> joining us now stewart stevens a veteran of five, and the author of it was all a of the republican party became donald trump. which was just released in paperback, also joining us zerlina maxwell host of the program zerlina the host on peacock. stuart let me begin with you as a son of mississippi, when you look at what's happening in your state tonight, how did republicans and trumpism, bring mississippi to this new low? >> it's really extraordinary, mississippi that's 40% of the
-- from the federal government it's the hardworking people and states of california new york that keep mississippi from being a complete disaster. and yet when you have a governor like tate reeves. i know tate, he's not a dumb guy. he's not an evil guy. but what's happening there, is pretty much the definition of evil. they are using this tragedy for political purposes. tate actually has appointed a very good person to head up the health, mississippi born physician. but tate won't stand up and do what needs to be done to protect the citizens of mississippi. and it's just an absolute tragedy. >> zerlina maxwell, it's an extraordinary thing. one party in logan party. is doing nothing to protect not just the people of their states, but their actual republican
voters. and you have the democratic party, democratic governors, like gavin newsom who are feeding to keep everyone alive in their states. it was hard to believe that the parties who would be divided by concerned with keeping people alive. one party concerned about that, the other. not >> well lawrence, you had mary trump on earlier, and a quote that not a day goes by that i don't think, about is one from her first book. which is, if he can in any way profit from your death, he will facilitate it, and then he will ignore the fact that you. died and that is mary trump on her uncle, former president donald trump. and i feel like that entire republican party has been corrupted by this very idea, that there is political benefit. maybe in the short term as they see it in fund raising dollars, but certainly not in the short term, for the lies and livelihoods that are lost during this pandemic. i mean people are losing their
mothers and fathers and sisters and brothers. and that i think ultimately is something that each republican is going to have to, for the rest of their life, as long as they are on this, earth are going to have to go to bed understanding that
the facilitated the deaths of their own constituents. >> let's listen to what william marsh, of new hampshire and state representative said here on this program last night, about why he was just switched from the republican party, to the democratic party. >> the [inaudible] organization in all the cities in town throughout the states, they have been taken over by these extremists who believe that their rights trump anybody else's rights. that they have the right to do whatever they want to. no matter how it affects the other people around. >> stewart, how important is it that they are taking over the grass roots and republican party position in the states? >> look, you have exactly some
successful political governors out, they're very successful, very popular. phil from des moines, charlie baker in massachusetts, larry hooker in maryland. i worked for all of these. guys i love. them but here's the thing, they are so out of touch with their own party, they can't take
their state party chairman. and you know for years in public, that how extraordinary this is that a sitting popular governor can't pick their own state party chairman? and that's just a division and the party. and i don't see where it ends. it just is a become a sort of race towards the bottom. and covid is the ultimate. test if you are willing to let people get sick and die for political gain, you'll do anything. and that is where they are. >> zerlina maxwell in the new york times, kevin williams these, talking about we are the dividing line now is in our public, when it comes to a coup, you're either in or your. of the republican party is
leaning pretty strongly in. that is going to leave at least some conservatives out -- and in all likelihood, permanently out. >> that's another dividing line between these parties, one that is in favor of in effect, a coup. in effect denying democracy. and the other party still traditionally in this very old-fashioned way, actually in favor of democracy. >> you mean like the constitution if we can all be that way. so laura and i've been thinking a lot about this idea of a coup. and earlier before news reporting releasable general milley, i was thinking a lot about it being a coup, and essentially three parts. the courts and rooted [inaudible] going into the courts and lying about election fraud. the second piece of course, is the doj, all of the phone calls and pressure that donald trump
was putting on the department of justice officials to overturn piece of the elections. or say that it was stolen. and the third piece was the insurrection. but now i'm thinking, there is actually a continuing piece to the point in that williams some, that they are continuing to try and subvert democracy. by implementing laws that will change the way the votes are counted up after the fact. it's election subversion and that is a threat to democracy. >> zerlina maxwell and stuart stevens thank you very much for joining us tonight. we'll be right back.
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