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plenty to go around. what we've never managed to nail down is testing. it was a problem at the start of the pandemic. and the fact that it is still a problem now should be a major scandal and a major source of shame. that's it for me tonight. thanks for watching. we'll be right back here next sunday at 8:00 p.m. eastern. catch me monday through thursday on "the choice" on nbc's streaming channel peacock. now it's time to turn it over to ayman mohyeldin. good evening, ayman. >> good evening. i was going through the same thing in new york, my daughter was going back to school. here's the thing, even when we found a place that could get her a pcr test, we were being told it would take three to five, even seven days for the results, which as you know, completely undermines the purpose of even getting a test in the first place. >> it's so ridiculous. in america, we need to sort this
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out, we need to sort this out fast. >> absolutely. do me a favor, i want to talk to you about a lot of stuff, i know you're being asked to pull triple duty, i appreciate your sticking around, my friend. welcome to "ayman." tonight, will they or won't they? with constant roadblocks clogging up the senate, is time running out? plus the supreme court this month effectively ended "roe v. wade." justice amy coney barrett wants you to know that the supreme court is not a bunch of partisan hacks. okay. and it looked like a big win for equal pay when the u.s. soccer federation announced it's offering the women's and men's national teams identical contracts. so why is the u.s. women's national team players association calling this move a pr stunt? let's get started. ♪♪
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all right. our top story tonight, voting rights. with republicans doubling down on their attempt to restrict the right to vote, senate democrats introduce new federal voting rights legislation this week. but its chances of passage remain dim as roadblocks continue to plague the upper chamber. democratic senator amy klobuchar highlighted the importance of the legislation this morning in an appearance right here on msnbc. >> our job as senators right now, we have a lot to do. it is the oath we take, to protect and defend the constitution of the united states. we need federal voting rights to do that. >> so klobuchar is one of the sponsors of the freedom to vote act. let's take a look at what's in this new bill. automatic voter registration and online registration. making election day a holiday. uniform early voting. and perhaps most importantly, a provision that would prevent state election subversion. now, one form of subversion has been in the news a lot this
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week. discriminatory gerrymandering. now, republicans in texas have voted for redistricting plans that appear to be aimed against black people. charges of racism didn't end there. on wednesday, congresswoman elise stefanik, the number three house republican, released a series of controversial ads that echoed what's become known as the great replacement theory, it's a radical notion that suggests liberals want to replace white citizens in america with nonwhite immigrants who would then presumably vote for the democrats. she wasn't alone in this. listen to what texas lieutenant governor dan patrick said on fox news a day later. >> the revolution has begun, a silent revolution by the democrat party and joe biden to take over this country. you're talking about millions and millions and millions of new voters. and they will thank the democrats and biden for bringing
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them here. who do you think they're going to vote for? so this is -- this is trying to take over our country without firing a shot. >> all right. so amid this ever-escalating chorus of extremism, one voice of reason in the gop might be louisiana senator bill cassidy, one of only seven republican senators who actually supported impeaching president trump earlier this year. cassidy appeared on "meet the press" this morning, where chuck todd asked him about the future prospects of his party. >> do you think at this time, with where the party is choosing to go right now with donald trump, that that is a losing strategy for the midterms at this point? >> if we relitigate the past, we lose. we've got to speak about the future. now, again, our country is looking for something which brings back the prosperity we had pre-pandemic. if we speak about recovering that, we win. >> so there is a lot to discuss. let's bring in our all star panel for the hour.
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mehdi hasan needs no introduction, i'll give him one anyway. he's host of "the mehdi hasan show" which immediately preceded this show. jonathan allen is senior political reporter for nbc news digital and the co-author of "lucky: how joe biden barely won the presidency." johnathan, the democrats have had a rough week. they're getting another piece of bad information just within the last hour or so because we've just learned the senate parliamentarian ruled against allowing the democrats to include a pathway to legal status for an estimated 8 million undocumented illegal immigrants in their massive social spending plan, definitely a setback for democrats. does this effectively stop them from passing anything on immigration? >> it's an enormous setback. i think for insiders on capitol hill, its surprising that the parliamentarian would rule that immigration policy changes
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aren't really within the framework of budget guidelines. the expedited process called reconciliation where you can do things with [ inaudible ]. it does seem to be a moment where that suggests that [ inaudible ] not going to go forward in this congress. >> mehdi, i know this is something you've spoken about quite often. it's the approach that the democrats take to politics in this country. >> yes. >> on the one hand, and i've heard others say this, republicans are playing chess, democrats are playing checkers. they have the votes, they're the ones in power, they could be the ones really trying to pass this agenda and trying to do the things the president has set out to do and yet they keep being dealt these setbacks as we just saw again this evening with this parliamentarian rule on immigration. what's your take on this? >> ayman, it's ridiculous. elizabeth mcdonough is the parliamentarian, i'm sure she's a wonderful lady.
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she's an unelected official. she's an adviser to the senate. they could overrule her. kamala harris is president of the senate, she could decide what goes into the budget reconciliation bill. nobody elected her, she doesn't have the power to block anything. or they could just fire the parliamentarian. you might say that's a bit radical. tell that to the republican party, they fired the parliamentarian in 2001, trent lott did it when the parliamentarian at the time got in the way of tax cuts. now, they're not going to fire the parliamentarian which means we'll go into the midterms next year saying, we couldn't give you all the wonderful things we wanted to give you because of the parliamentarian. voters will say, who is the parliamentarian? and they'll fire democrats. >> few people understand the role the parliamentarian plays in being able to block legislation. danielle, let's talk a little bit about voting rights.
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joe manchin, claiming that he seriously is working to find republican votes for voting rights. do you buy that? not that he's not trying, i believe that he is trying, but genuinely speaking, are there republican votes out there to try to get voting rights past or is he just playing lucy to the democrats' charlie brown, playing the game only to scuttle it in the end? >> joe manchin loves attention. this man loves the spotlight. i don't know what republicans he's looking for but we have not found a republican in, i don't know, 4 1/2 years, we haven't found a republican over the last eight months. we have two republicans that decided that the insurrection actually happened, and they will vote against the voting rights act. i don't understand what joe manchin is doing right now other than continuing to obstruct our democracy. he doesn't need voting rights. he doesn't care about what happens to black and brown people in this country, because he represents west virginia which is largely a white state.
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so he doesn't care what is happening right now and he likes to pretend that we can collaborate, that we have this two-party system which we obviously don't have. i don't know who his friends, the republicans, are, and who he's looking at right now. but i have seen none, and no one else has either. >> it's incredible that people are trying to hold onto the rules in the wake of this existential threat to american democracy. jonathan, it's not just even about voting rights, it's not just about immigration. it's the totality of legislation that democrats are trying to get passed just this month. what's the likelihood that democrats manage to pass voting rights and a reconciliation bill this month? >> well, i think number one, i just want to zoom out a little bit on voting rights. some folks may not remember or may not have lived through the process in the last 55 plus years on voting rights, but there are fewer voting rights [ inaudible ] than there were when the voting rights act of
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1965 was enacted into law. that thing has been gutted. and so you're looking at a country 55 years on from the 1965 voting rights act that has really come backward, particularly over the last decade or two. to answer your question, voting rights and reconciliation, it looks very unlikely that the voting rights act -- or the voting rights bill moving in the senate is actually going to move through the senate and become law. reconciliation, if the democrats can figure out something that joe manchin and kyrsten sinema and the small group of blue dog democrats in the house can agree to, they'll be able to get reconciliation done but it doesn't look like it will be anything close to $3.5 trillion over ten years as most of the democrats hope right now. >> mehdi, in theory republicans have now latched onto yet another new theory. first it was critical race theory, now it's the great replacement theory. and just when you think things couldn't get any crazier, they're now pushing this, as i
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just said in the setup to this segment, this notion that democrats want immigrants to come into this country to replace white people so they vote democrat. your thoughts on this, your theoretical thoughts on this. >> the great replacement theory, and i hate using that phrase because it gives it more credit than it's due, it's white nationalist propaganda. it's the kind of thing that led to hispanics being gunned down in el paso. it led to jews being massacred in a synagogue in pittsburgh. it used to be backed by trump alone. now it's elise stefanik, who is supposed to be a moderate republican. in 2016, she didn't show up to the rnc because she objected to trump. now she's pushing this nonsense. it tells you sadly white supremacy is now a key ideology of the republican party. it's not white nationalist adjacent. it's part and parcel of the party's views.
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number two, there are no moderate republicans left. when it came to voting rights, liz cheney and kinzinger voted against voting rights. where are the republicans where the entire party is heading into the arms of neo-nazis? >> the metric of the party now is your relationship to donald trump, not on any of these other core issues you were talking about. danielle, this week a north carolina court blocked the state's voter i.d. law saying it discriminates against black people. if democrats can't get voting rights passed, are judges going to be the only hope in this country to preserve the right of black people to vote? >> yes. and guess who knew that? mitch mcconnell, when he was able to push through 300 federal judges on the bench during the trump administration. we, the democratic party, are the only group that never talked about the courts. and mitch mcconnell knew where this was going. that's why he was three supreme court justices and over 300
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federal judges. we are in trouble if the democrats cannot get kyrsten sinema and joe manchin on board. our democracy is coming to its end right now. that is not me being hyperbolic, that is absolutely the truth. >> no voting, no democracy. please stick around. mehdi hasan, thank you for pulling that triple duty, my friend, good to see you. coming up, there's a lot to unpack about afghanistan. nbc's richard engel joins me on-set ahead of his special edecision of "on assignment" on msnbc at 10:00 p.m. when we come back, judicial philosophies versus political parties. why some are calling supreme court justice amy coney barrett's comments hypocritical. officials confirmed a body believed to be gabby petito, found in wyoming. the cause of death has not been
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determined. this comes as authorities in florida search for petito's fiance brian laundrie. he was named a person of interest in the disappearance of petito last week, who vanished as well friday night. an effort to celebrate the prime minister's birthday in india. india says it's given over 790 million vaccine doses to date. a california wildfire has so far missed a group of joint sequoias according to local heterosexuality. the fire reached the western edge of sequoia national park. crews wrapped portions of the trees, some of which are thousands of years old, in fire resistant foil. the fire is now over 21,000 acres. more "ayman" with ayman mohyeldin after this break.
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it is 1972 all over again. those are the words of dr. alan brady, a texas-based physician. yesterday he became the first
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doctor to publicly reveal they performed an abortion in defiance of the state's new law, the so-called heartbeat action which went into effect earlier this month. it effectively bans abortions. next week a case in mississippi will give the supreme court the opportunity to reverse "roe v. wade." activists have been sounding alarm bells about the future of the long-held precedence since justice amy coney barrett was appointed to the court in 2020. this past week justice barrett caused a stir when she said the court was, quote, not comprised of a bunch of partisan hacks. let me just put this in context. she says this at the university of louisville's mcconnell center. standing next to, guess who? right next to mitch mcconnell. as then-senate majority leader,
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mcconnell invented one precedent in 2016. he refused a hearing on merrick garland's nomination because it was within eight months of an election. he then reversed that precedent in 2020 to rush amy coney barrett to the supreme court less than one month before an election. yes, she chose that setting, next to mitch mcconnell, to complain that the supreme court is unfairly viewed as partisan in this country, believe it or not. to help viewers understand why this outrage lasted all week, we thought it would help to use two different references. now, for viewers my age and perhaps older, you see what amy coney barrett said is kind of like this clip. >> i'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here. >> your winnings, sir. >> oh, thank you very much. >> if you're a younger viewer and have no idea what that reference was, this is more like it. >> i'm going to throw a hot dog shaped car through the window. >> the driver's gone. >> somebody call the cops.
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we need to find that driver. >> they could have killed someone. >> whose car is this? >> yeah, we promise we won't be mad. >> jonathan allen, danielle moody, are back. mark joseph stern covers courts and law for slate and has been following the texas law and the upcoming mississippi case very closely. i'll ask which of you saw the older reference to casablanca and which saw the younger one. what do you make of the hypocrisy here, danielle, speaking at an event standing next to mitch mcconnell who rushed her nomination with one month to go but denied a hearing to merrick garland when it was eight months out? >> i feel like republicans are punking us. they think the american people are stupid. like we don't know what mitch mcconnell is doing, like we
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never know what he's been up to. he upheld merrick garland's hearing and amy coney barrett is like, we're not partisan, never, we're not doing a shadow docket, what are you talking about, look the other way. it's insulting, is really what it is, to the american people. i'm outdone by them, constantly. >> shocked, shocked, i tell you, that gambling is taking place here. john, justice barrett isn't the only one who went up against the media. i want to play for you what justice clarence thomas said this week. >> i think the media makes it sound as though you are just always going right to your personal preference. so they think you're antiabortion or something personally, they think that's the way you'll always come out. they think you're for this or for that, they think you have become a politician. >> there's a lot to criticize
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the media, jon, but as a member of the media, how do you react to his characterization? >> it's not surprised that supreme court justices would be the first to raise their hands and say i'm not prejudiced, i didn't decide this case before i even read it, but in truth, what we can see over the course of time is that in order to be appointed to the supreme court under a republican president, you have to be vetted by an organization made up of republicans to make sure you have the sort of right political leanings throughout the history of your career and you can never step off. so the idea that there isn't a partisan lean to the supreme court defies not only reality but the long history of the supreme court going back to all the presidents, even president roosevelt wanted to pack the court, because he felt like the judges were too republican. he was like, i want judges that are democratic, i'm going to have more of them. this has how the court has been forever. they always say we're not partisan but for the most part we see there's a lot to the
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accusation that they are. as far as the media goes, we're judging their record. we read the decisions. we know what they said before they got onto the court, how they promised they would judge everything individually and not work back from their conclusions and then we watch them work back from their conclusions all the time. >> president trump loyal said he wanted pro-life judges on the bench, he's saying the quiet part out loud. so when you say, these judges, are they partisan or not, one scratches one's head. mark, i know that you report on the court. has polarization and politicization gotten worse over the last few years? >> i absolutely think it's gotten worse. and a big part of that is that the court has lurched far to the right. we now have a 6-3 conservative super majority that has been willing not only to drag the law to the right, but to do so in very alarming, underhanded and
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antitransparent ways. the conservative majority's abuse of the shadow docket to overhaul the law in a direction that the republican party prefers has been raising alarm bells all across the legal profession for years. finally i think regular people are starting to see what's happening here. but when the supreme court can overturn "roe v. wade," effectively, in the middle of the night, in a one-paragraph order, with virtually no reasoning, we know there's a problem. and it's not the media doing our best to figure out what this opaque, cryptic, single paragraph ending a woman's right to choose could possibly mean. so i think that amy coney barrett and clarence thomas clearly need to look in the mirror and do some soul searching if they're trying to figure out how the court became so politicized. they are the ones who are breaking all of the court's rules, who are violating decades if not centuries of institutional precedent in order to change the law on abortion,
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on religious liberty, on every issue republicans care about, in the middle of the night through the shadow docket. >> jon, can we track this all back to senator mcconnell playing politics with obama's confirmations or is there something else here to blame? is there more than one person to blame in how we got here? >> i mean, in the modern era or the very modern era, you could look back at that moment, it's certainly a big moment, right? he says, we're not going to let you nominate anybody, we won't even hear from them, merrick garland doesn't get a hearing. and there's certainly anger on the side of the democrats. now merrick garland is the attorney general. this goes back longer than that. there are ideological battles at times that are less partisan in terms of the which party appointed a justice. there are moments when it's more partisan in terms of that. basically you've had a conservative/liberal back and forth on the court for a generation. and we're living through a time now where a lot of these decisions are very big and
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momentous. and, you know, in particular with regard to the texas abortion law. you know, the law of the land for the last, you know, 50 years or so, almost 50 years, has been "roe v. wade." and we're going to see a real test of that, you know, not just what we saw in the last couple of weeks but over the coming months. >> mark, let's elaborate on what you said earlier about the end of "roe v. wade," because after the supreme court refused to block that texas abortion ban, you wrote a piece titled "of course this supreme court ended "roe v. wade" by doing nothing." explain what makes this supreme court so different from others and what it means for the future of "roe v. wade." >> so the hallmark of the current conservative majority is making huge moves, dramatically and radically altering the law, while pretending to be doing almost nothing at all. we saw this over and over again in the most recent term, the first term with amy coney barrett, where the majority would overturn decades of precedent and lie about it and
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claim otherwise. the conservative majority restored juvenile life without parole and claimed that it wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary, that it wasn't changing any law at all. the conservative majority overhauled religious liberty to strike down a huge number of covid restrictions and said, oh, we're just applying the precedent we've always been applying. they are doing this stuff and lying about it to the media, to our faces, to the american people. and that is what happened with "roe." that's why i wrote that piece. it is not surprising because this is a majority showing itself willing to tell untruths all the time. of course the five ultraconservatives could have come out with a decision in the middle of the night saying we don't believe in "roe," we don't abide by it and we're overturning it. but that would take courage and candor and that's something this majority lacks. so instead the court waits 24 hours after the law has already taken effect and then issues this one-paragraph order saying
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essentially nothing. oh, these brilliant texas conservatives have tricked the supreme court and there's nothing we can do about it. that is so obviously a lie. and i think it's an insult to the american people. >> and there are definitely a few more cases making their way up to the courts that will be closely watched. danielle, quick question, democrats have proposed many solutions to this problem. some expanding the court, for example, others said add term limits so these appointments are not for life. where do you see these proposals going? can they come fast enough? are they likely to die? >> you know what i would love, i would love for the democrats to stop proposing things and actually start doing things. that would be shocking and incredible. the reality is that we're not going to see an expansion of anything until we have the two democrats in the senate that act like republicans actually function in this democracy and want to see progress. and so until we see that, everything that we're saying is just a wish list.
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>> danielle moody, jon allen, and -- oh, mark joseph stern, sorry about that, mark, i just wanted to get it right, as somebody who is a very complicated last name, i didn't want to screw yours up. appreciate it. the military admits the drone strike in kabul killed innocent civilians. now the families are saying they want compensation. we'll discuss this when we come back. n we come back instantly ready to start working. so you can bounce back fast with alka-seltzer plus.
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so most americans won't know the name daniel hale. he's the former intelligence contractor who leaked information on u.s. drone strikes in 2019. he's currently serving four years in prison. in the leak he revealed during one five-month period, in 90% of
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strikes that took place in afghanistan, the u.s. did not hit its intended targets. he told the court during sentencing, quote, you had to kill part of your conscience to keep doing your job. but after two colleagues invited him to watch drone strikes after work, his conscience, quote, once held at bay, came roaring back to life. the fact that you've probably never heard of hale or his story is particularly relevant to just how little we know about the u.s. drone strike program. it's impossible to find all the details of every single drone strike that's taken place over the last 20 years. now, just as it's almost impossible to get to the remote places in which some of these strikes have taken place, one strike we have learned about this week was a drone strike in kabul which killed ten innocent civilians including seven children. the death toll did not include a single terrorist. the only reason we know is because there is footage of the aftermath and the families of
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those killed were quick to refute the claims made against their loved ones. but if this was happening in a remote location, as it so often has, would we ever even hear about it? the 20-year war may now be over but there are still so many questions about afghanistan. luckily for us we have the right person to ask about this. nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel comes in from kabul, afghanistan. richard, you were there on the ground. you have a big special tonight. >> i do and i'm so happy to be on your new show. >> thank you so much. >> i've known you for a long time, we first met in baghdad during the war. >> 2003. >> and here you are, so congratulations. >> and thank you for all the reporting you've been doing, after all these years it's nice to see you. let's talk about afghanistan right now. you just returned from there, obviously a very chaotic situation. your big takeaway of what you've seen now on the ground over the last several weeks. >> you know, some people say it's tragic or that we're back to square one, because the
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taliban were there, and 20 years have gone by, now the taliban are back. i don't think it's either tragic or back to square one. back to square one implies you went around the block and now you're where you are again and nothing else happened, maybe you spent a little gas. that's not the case. we have spent $2 trillion, 2,500 lives, tens of thousands of afghan civilians, 60,000 afghan troops. american credibility has enormously damaged. and now you have the taliban who are in power, who are hyperempowered. and they have this victory narrative which is hard to dispute, that they destroyed and defeated and pushed out a superpower. and that narrative is enormously powerful. when you walk around, you see the taliban on the street, they have a glow in their eyes, that too-bright look in their eyes,
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that they are floating on air. >> they did it again. >> they did it again. and if they can -- if the americans can't stop them with all this weaponry and all these drones and all this intelligence and all this money, what can stop them, now that they have god on their side? who is going to tell them what to do about girls, who is going to tell them what to do about human rights? if what they were doing well in the past got them to where they want to be, why break the winning formula? the reason i don't think it's a tragedy is, tragedy is something that happens sort of like an act of god, it's a tragic event, someone lost their family member to cancer or to an earthquake or something terrible happened, you say, that's a real tragedy. there were so many mistakes along the way here. this was more like a crime. this was more of a victim of negligence. time after time after time, there were opportunities when it was going better and unfortunately it didn't. so we have this end result where 40 million people are now living
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under the taliban. you had soldiers, a generation of soldiers that went to war to see their country go back to the hands of a hyperempowered enemy. there are going to be consequences for a long time for this. >> you talk about mistakes that were made. one of them that we just highlighted, the drones that have taken place, this deadly, you know -- >> drones are not unique to afghanistan. >> of course. >> as you exactly said earlier, normally they take place in somalia or yemen or places that you're never going to hear about them. this one took place while the world was watching, while journalists were there. all eyes in kabul, in the center of kabul. drone strikes don't usually take place in urban areas. and immediately afterwards, journalists, the family members, neighbors, were saying this wasn't right, these were normal people, we know these people. it was actually "the new york times" who went there and documented, they got the cctv footage and drilled down on the
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story, and hats off to them. it was the access and the exposure and then the pentagon came out and did a big mea culpa. the centcom commander, who has had a tough job recently, had to come out and talk about the evacuation and about the 13 marines that were killed, and then to come out and say, ooh, sorry. >> he's taken responsibility certainly for that drone strike. let's look ahead a little bit at your special tonight, fascinating to see. "a graveyard of empires." don't worry, dvr is an incredible thing. what is in this special that we're going to see? i know you've been doing a lot of reporting on the ground there. >> it's taken a long time to put together. it has a bit of an historic sweep because you need to understand the history, and the history itself is fascinating. i mean, it talks a little bit about how this war in
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afghanistan started and it didn't start with 9/11, it started a lot earlier than that. and there's two main narrative threads. one, a soldier's story, a soldier i met there, right before a firefight, and at the end of the firefight, i stayed in touch with him and his family to see what impact this intense combat has. and then this contrast of going from an intense combat situation to coming back to the u.s. and such a small percentage of people in the united states actually participate and shoulder the burden of military responsibility, so it's very difficult for them to do that. then what it's been like for the afghan people. so these two parallel narratives with a little bit of history woven in. is that a good tease? >> absolutely, i want to find out what happens with that soldier. >> minutes from now. >> we'll be watching closely. good to see you, my friend,
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this week, we saw some big developments in the united states women's national soccer team's quest to be paid the same as their male counterparts. on tuesday, the u.s. soccer federation announced they would be offering the men's and women's teams the same contract proposal, which they said would ensure that both teams are among the highest paid senior national team players in the world. in response, the players association for the women's team called the move a pr stunt and an attempt to bargain through the media. still, the offer could be a step in the right direction, though. star player alex morgan who has been one of the most vocal players on this issue said the public commitment to equal pay is a good one. morgan said in a press conference, quote, we need to look line by line at what they're actually providing because if you have equal pay but it's not even what we got before or to the value that we are, then we still consider that to be not good enough. joining us now is aj hess, a
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reporter with cnbc's "make it," and a self-proclaimed women's team fanatic, and a staff writer for the athletic who covers women's soccer in the u.s. steph, let me start with you. what do you make of the somewhat mixed messaging in response to this offer? on the one hand you have the players' association calling it a pr stunt. on the other hand you have one of biggest stars with alex morgan striking a more optimistic tone. how do you read it? >> i think the players are being cautious. i won't say they've been burned in the past but maybe they've learned from past negotiations to read the fine print. u.s. soccer, an official communications twitter, struck right back and called -- you might have seen it, they called it a 90-minute pr stunt. so i would take alex morgan's caution as being pretty valid. the president of u.s. soccer has
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said some stuff that sounds like good faith but then you have official communications saying another thing. so, you know. >> aj, i want to dig into what you wrote because one of the key issues is that the pay both men and women get from fifa world cups, you broke down the numbers for cnbc. let's walk through some of them. in 2018, men's world cup, there were 32 teams playing for $400 million in total prize money with france winning $38 million. that same 2019 women's world cup, 24 teams competed for only $30 million in total prize money. the american women's team won that tournament. they only took home $4 million. so obviously there is a huge disparity in pay. obviously it's not just on the u.s. soccer in this particular case because it has to do with the world cup and that's run by fifa. but how big a sticking point are these payouts from fifa? >> it's big. the recent statement from u.s.
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soccer says that they're dedicated to working towards closing that gap. recently fifa has said they're going to expand the number of teams for the next women's tournament to 32. they're going to increase the prize money to $60 million. that still leaves a really big gap. the other thing is the federation may say that they don't have direct control over those things. but money is paid out directly to federations. i think a lot of players would say u.s. soccer has a role to play and a responsibility to make sure that their players get a fair shake. >> and the frustrating thing in this, steph, i'm sure you're aware, is that the u.s. women's team has been far more successful than the men's team in international play. in fact the men's didn't even qualify for the world cup, they're off to a rocky start to qualify for the next one. what happens if the men's team doesn't qualify for the 2022 world cup and don't have any revenue to share? should they be going for more than the men, given their level of success?
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>> well, i think what we've seen recently is that we need to take into account the men's national team also released a statement in support of the women because they understand that what's good for the women's team is good for the men's team too. it's a rising tide right. it's the rising tide with all boats thing. i think context is also important here, because women's soccer and men's soccer are historically in two different places, for example, you look at mls minimum salary is something like 80, 81,000. and the women's maximum salary is $52,000. the day to day lives of these women playing soccer is very different from the men. >> yeah, the difference is striking. thank you so much for joining us on this, we're going to continue to follow this.
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