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moderating effect on their willingness to take on that giant issue. >> curt anderson thank you so much, the book "evil geniuses" is now out in paperback. great to have you, great conversation. thanks, mike, for staying all the way to 9:00 on the east coast. >> still wearing my pants. >> every day pants on. >> prove it. >> we expect you here. that does it for us this morning, stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. ♪♪ hi there, i'm stephanie ruhle live at msnbc headquarters here in new york city. it is wednesday, september 22nd, let's get smarter. today we could get a clear answer on who should get a booster shot. a cdc panel is meeting in less than an hour and hopefully we will get an answer soon. while many parents want to know when their kids could be eligible for the vaccine as we approach the dangerous winter months. we'll be speaking with one father who put his 9-year-old
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son in the pfizer trial. and major developments in the gabby petito case. the coroner officially declaring her death a homicide, and her fiancee still missing. no one has seen him since last week. plus, the "new york times" revealing that the trump campaign was well aware that their claims about dominion voting machines were categorically false, but they kept making those claims for weeks. we'll be asking georgia's secretary of state about that when he joins us later this hour. and did we mention donald trump is now suing his niece? great way to get himself in the headlines. we're going to get to all of that shortly, but i want to start this morning in d.c. where president biden is set to meet with democratic leaders to try and keep his massive multitrillion dollars agenda from completely falling apart. i want to bring in nbc's garrett haake on capitol hill and shannon pettypiece at the white house. unless i'm mistaken here, this is the same fight democrats have
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been having for months. progressives want to pass the $3.5 trillion package and the infrastructure bill, and at the same time moderates, not just joe manchin, moderates in the housings moderates in the senate want him to do one at a time. how's biden going to fix this? republicans, they're just sitting back and watching. >> reporter: yeah, and you are not mistaken. this is a debate, an issue that has been going on in washington for a while. if there was an easy solution to this, if there was a way to thread the needle between house progressives, moderates in the house, moderates in the senate, that solution, that needle would have been thread by now. but there's not, and that's what makes this such a consequential meeting today that the white house is having. they are now facing progressive lawmakers who have been frustrated for months about a lack of action they perceived from the white house on a range of issues, immigration, voting rights, police reform, gun control that they have not seen
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the white house take strong enough action on. they have wanted the president to act on this filibuster. we are nine months in. we are bumping against deadlines. not much is going to happen in 2022 in an election year. everybody knows that. for progressives this is really the last moment for them to get through some of these big agenda items they want as part of this major spending bill. the president, his best bet is probably going to be to try and compromise, try and make some flexibility on the number. maybe even try and buy a little time to say we can't get this done now, let's try and buy a little time here. those are some of the things we've heard from white house officials but very consequential and the clock is really ticking now. >> buying time doesn't get you anything. democrats that are progressive and moderate are all going to be frustrated in a year and a half from now if they get nothing done and republicans get control back. how is this going to play out in the next few days? >> that's exactly right. every democrat needs something to go home and run on, something to campaign on having
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accomplished during their time in washington. the challenge right now is an enormous trust deficit between the moderates and progressives. moderates don't believe progressives are really with them on the infrastructure bill. progressives are convinced moderates will jump ship on the larger social policy bill if they get a vote on the infrastructure bill ahead of time. this problem right now is most acute in the house and it changes by the week, but i think that's where president biden's going to need to focus his efforts today. for example, last night, met with speaker pelosi for nearly two hours and came out saying the same thing she's been saying for a while. progressives want to send the president his entire agenda. they want to vote for both bills, but they're willing to block the infrastructure bill until the bigger big is ready. she's expected to meet with president biden today as well. this is a case where really only biden can say to all these democrats, look, we're going to hold hands together and jump at the same time or we're all going to sink at the same time. i think that's the case that the
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president may need to make to these lawmakers today to move things forward with the first vote supposed to be on monday on the hard infrastructure bill. >> garrett, we are watching all of this play out with the deadline for funding the government in just a few days or we risk a shutdown. every few years we get in this situation. the market starts to drop, people say this is going to be terrible. it never really happens. it's all just a big show. is there any reason to believe this time it's different and we really are going to have a government shutdown? >> reporter: there's two separate issues here. a government shutdown is always possible. we saw several during the trump administration, and some more planned than others. sometimes we've stumbled into them because congress can't get their work done on time. that's a distinct possibility, although that looks like a lesser concern now. the more challenging issue is this issue of raising the debt ceiling, how much the government can borrow. the deadline for that isn't until mid-october, which is a a lifetime in congressional time, but the stakes are so high and the battle lines so thoroughly
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drawn right now, it's starting to make people like me a little bit nervous. but, for example, on the stakes, moodies says this would be cataclysmic if we go over the debt ceiling. it could be $15 trillion worth of wealth in the stock market lost, millions of jobs lost. that's the stakes here. that's also why this will get done. the u.s. has never defaulted on its debt. both parties are saying it will get done. the bottom line here is republicans are saying democrats have the tools to do this alone through reconciliation, and they're going to make them do that. democrats say this is a bad faith argument. republicans should join us on this as they always have. they may very well be right on that argument. right now there's nothing republicans want in a negotiation here. there can be no give and take here. they're not asking for anything except for democrats to do this the hard way through reconciliation. in the senate in particular, the minority party can't do a lot on their own, but they can sure make life miserable for the majority party when they want to. that appears to be what's going to happen on this issue over the
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next month. >> let's just remember, the stock market is not the economy, and the market can lose trillions in a day, and in the next day it comes right back and many look at it as a buying opportunity. shannon, garrett, thank you so much. now we got to move to texas where these pictures tell the story. this is not a third world country. this is south texas where at least 8,000 migrants, most of them from haiti remain camped out under a bridge. so far only about a thousand of them have been deported but thousands more may be headed to our border. i want to go straight to del rio now. morgan, talk to us about the efforts to get these people out. where are they going, and how are we preparing for potentially thousands more coming? >> reporter: yeah, steph, all great questions here. let's start with the fact that this has been a 24/7 operation. we have seen border patrol buses going in and out of this area that remains restricted to the media really since sunday, and that's why we've seen these numbers drop at this camp.
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at last check about 8,500 migrants remaining under that bridge about a quarter mile from where i'm standing, the weekend peak about 15,000 people. we know a thousand have been flown back to haiti, and then the rest essentially have been taken to processing centers from here in de rio, texas, to san antonio, to houston, texas, elsewhere to el paso, to laredo. these all have the facilities that can handle the processing that are not overwhelmed like so many resources are here in del rio. that's part of the process that's been ongoing. you still have 8,500 people beneath a bridge in south texas facing triple digit temperatures in some cases, and after speaking to a 25-year-old haitian man yesterday, he told me he and his wife were under that bridge for the better part of a week, they had limited food, limited water despite the handouts that are being given. in one case it got so bad, steph that he chose to swim back to
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mexico so he could buy whatever food and water he could for his wife who is pregnant, and upon trying to swim back across the rio grande, the current started to take him. he had to let go of what he had just to make it back to the other side. that's been happening over the past several days here, and that is a very real concern, and that's why they're trying to expedite the processing here. there is still an incredible amount of work to be done. now to be clear, dhs has said they're focusing on these single haitian adults and families who are not claiming asylum to report back to haiti. we're already seeing fallout from that as well. we've confirmed upon landing in port-au-prince yesterday, several haitian males reapproached a plane and assaulted three i.c.e. agents and the pilots on the plane after being dropped back off in their home country. and steph, for a little context here, these are not necessarily haitians who immediately came from the island. a lot of these people here have been living in south america for years before recently choosing
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to make that dangerous trip north here, and now they're going back to a place they haven't called home for years with nothing. steph. >> morgan, thank you so much. morgan chesky joining us from texas. this morning also, two very big meaning that could change the course of the fight against covid here and around the world. in an hour from now, an advisory committee for the cdc will kick off a two-day meeting to decide who gets booster shots and then at 11:00 a.m., president biden will hold a virtual summit at the united nations pushing rich countries to help send more vaccines to poor countries. it comes at a time when roughly a quarter of new covid cases and deaths worldwide are happening right here in the united states where we have easy access to the vaccine. nbc's gabe gutierrez is here with me in new york. also joining us, dr. peter hotez, co-director for the center for vaccine development at texas children's hospital and dean at college of baylor
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medicine. >> the fda, the cdc, they're both looking at these shots. now pfizer is submitting a request to authorize it for vaccines. can you just tell us what's happening and where we're going? because with all these different meetings, all these different agencies, people are just more confused. >> yeah, what's going on, stephanie, is that there's not consensus in the scientific community on the need for boosters and what age cutoff you consider this and for what populations, then it's confused by the white house and the way they're doing the communications and then these company press releases, which are not meant for you or for me. they're meant for their shareholders to jack up their stock prices, and that causes a lot of confusion. they're written in a way that's tone deaf to the public health crisis we're in. so if you're confused that's actually a normal reaction to a very confusing situation. here's the way i see it, stephanie. the ver pack committee has moved
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forward with their recommendation for a third immunization of the pfizer biontech vaccine for those over the age of 65. one of the problems is there was an important article that came out in the mmwr from the cdc on that day showing that there's a decline in effectiveness of hospitals from over 90% to 70%. still a good vaccine, but there is that impact. and then there was very little consideration on long covid and data coming out of oxford university in their neurology institute showing gray brain matter, and cognitive decline in 40 and 50-year-olds. i would not make that cutoff at 65, i would have been much more comfortable for those third immunizations for 40 and 50-year-olds, not only to prevent hospitalizations to prevent covid infections and the consequences of long covid. the cdc, the easiest thing for them to do is green light what
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ver pack has already said. that's probably a likely scenario. i think we're going to have to go to lower age groups and may even need universal third boosters. >> so drug companies with very little consideration with some of these recommendations, exactly what we don't need during a pandemic in a time of so much misinformation. if the pfizer vaccine does get approved, did thauz mean that the people who originally got pfizer are the only ones eligible, or can anyone get it? >> the recommendation, i believe, will be for a third immunization. it's not only a booster, and the problem with mixing up and matching is there's no data. no data for safety or at least no publicly available data for safety and no data that it actually works. the likelihood is it is safe and effective but it's a roll of the dice. so the moderna vaccine seems to be holding up a little better with those two immunizations. there's more mrna in those
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vaccines. they're spaced an extra week apart. moderna's moving forward with an application to the fda for that third immunization, probably prudent to wait. same with j&j, they're moving forward with an approach to the fda for a second immunization. and by the way, we've been talking since the beginning of the year, steef stephanie, and i've always said the mrna vaccines are going to be a three-dose vaccine, and the j&j a two-dose vaccine. >> the good news around the majority of the country or a lot of areas, hospitalizations are going down, but not in the northwest. you were there earlier this week. why? what's going on? >> hi there, stephanie. yeah, some hospitals there are considering whether to activate what's known as crisis standards of care. idaho has already done so. >> in spokane washington, multicare deaconess hospital is
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turning down half of patient transfer requests from other states because there's not enough room. >> how frustrating is it that a year and a half into this pandemic, you're still having to deal with this? >> this was a really tough week. i'm finishing the end of seven days in the icu, and i will tell you it's an emotional roller coaster. >> reporter: as covid cases surge across parts of the northwest, some hospitals are considering whether to activate what's known as crisis standards of care, essentially guidelines for how to ration resources. >> just several miles down the freeway is the idaho border, a state with few covid restrictions, no mask mandates and one of the lowest vaccination rates in the country. >> idaho is known for its prideful independence and so we have certainly struggled with vaccination rates as we know, and that struggle has translated into a hospital system and a health care system that's overwhelmed. >> reporter: to relieve the pressure on hospitals, idaho has activated crisis standards of
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care. this vaccine clinic has been converted into a monoclonal anticenter. >> we're going to continue. >> in montana, billings clinic is already limiting ek mow treatments, machines that can function as critical patients heart and lungs. >> i would not wish this stuff on like my worst enemy at all. >> days later patrick was placed on a ventilator and this weekend passed away. he leaves behind a young son. >> every time we moved him we weren't sure if the end was going to be in that moment and so i just wanted to be there to hold his hand. >> so heartbreaking about that steph, is when we first spoke with patrick, he thought he was one of the lucky ones. his condition was improving, but that quickly changed within a few days. he's now the youngest patient to die from covid at that hospital in montana. stephanie. >> wow, i was not predicting
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that ending. it remains so confusing. people who are not comfortable taking the vaccine, but they will take the monoclonal antibodies, i don't quite understand. gabe, dr. hotez, thank you both for joining us this morning. as questions are swirling about vaccinations for kids, many across the country are returning to school. later today, i will be speaking with education secretary cardona. you can catch some of our conversation tomorrow morning right here on msnbc at 9:00 a.m., and the rest on saturday at 2:00 p.m. as part of the texas tribune festival. visit for ways to stream the event. coming up next, gabby petito's family says her fiancee is in hiding. the case is now a criminal homicide investigation. the latest on the florida search for the man gabby was set to marry. donald trump suing his own niece, the nearly $100 million lawsuit claiming she conspired with the "new york times." uld help you budget even better.
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this morning the search for gabby petito's fiancee is in full force after a major development in the investigation. a wyoming coroner confirming the remains found sunday in a national park there are, in fact, those of 22-year-old petito. he also labeled the manner of her death a homicide. nbc's catie beck is outside brian laundrie's home in north port, florida, with more.
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what's going on? >> reporter: as the manner of death classified as a homicide certainly moves this case in a new direction, the cause of death still is yet to be determined and it could be some days before we have a final autopsy report. in the meantime, the search for fiance brian laundrie intensifies as the fbi is now asking for the public's help to find him. this morning the gabby petito case now considered a criminal homicide investigation after a coroner officially confirms the remains found in the teton national forest are hers, while in the florida swamp, with no confirmed sightings of gabby's fooe aun say. law enforcement teams resumed their search of the 25,000 acre carlton reserves where laundrie's parents said he went last week. authorities are using drones, k-9 units and all terrain
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vehicles to access remote areas of the park. >> the terrain is very difficult, essentially 75% of it is under water. >> reporter: the okaloosa county sheriff capturing this photo on a trail camera that shows an unidentified male backpacking the in woods hundreds of miles away. the viral photo led to an extensive search of the area but came up empty. on monday fbi agents carried out a search warrant on the home brian and gabby shared with his parents. laundrie has not been charged with a crime nor spoken to law enforcement. the case has captured national attention with amateur detectives combing the internet for clues and sharing tips and theories on tiktok and other social media platforms including this viral youtube clip captured inadvertently by kyle bethune showing a white van similar to gabby's near the campground where she was found. >> i saw the white van, seeing flip-flops and the doors
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opening. i think it was very, you know, instrumental to get us to where we are at this point. >> reporter: authorities have not confirmed this is petito's petito's body was found under a small grove of trees on sunday. memorials continue to grow in florida and the wyoming countryside where a single cross of river rocks sits as a silent reminder of a young woman taken from her family far too soon. after the autopsy confirmed the body was petito laundrie's parents released a statement saying may gabby rest in peace. investigators are headed back out to that marshy swampland to continue grid searching for any possible evidence of laundrie within there. steph. >> catie beck, thank you for staying on this story. it's a difficult one. when we come back, big evidence against the big lie, new reports the trump team knew their claims about election fraud were lies from the very
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♪ i see trees of green ♪ ♪ red roses too ♪ ♪ i see them bloom for me and you ♪ (music) ♪ so i think to myself ♪ ♪ oh what a wonderful world ♪ and breaking overnight, former president trump has filed a $100 million lawsuit against his own niece and three "new york times" reporters. he says his niece mary trump conspired with "the times" to
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get his tax returns for a pulitzer prize story about his losses and tax avoidance. the suit alleges the times pushed mary to smuggle records out of her attorney's office. mary trump admitted she released his taxes to "the times" in a book she wrote about her uncle and she responded to the lawsuit in a statement saying this, it's desperation. the walls are closing in, and he's throwing anything against the wall that he thinks will stick. one of the times reporters who's being sued, suzanne craig also responded on twitter saying, i knocked on mary trump's door, she opened it. i think they call that journalism. let's dig in deeper and bring in msnbc legal analyst danny se value low. >> this is what donald trump does, thousands and thousands of lawsuits, a massive number, 100 million. does he have any sort of leg to stand on here? or is this a way to get himself in the headlines because in the world of trump, all press is
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good press. >> there may be a case against mary trump, and that's assuming that everything in the case is true, which is not necessarily known right now, and that would be that there was some prior litigation, the parties entered into an agreement because they got all this discovery in sensitive documents and mary trump allegedly signed an agreement to never disclose these documents. if she did potentially, she could be in breach. as against the "new york times," susanne craig, and david bar stow, you see all of them on screen, the case is much weaker. that's because when reporters engage in news gathering, in journalism, and they receive documents over the transom as it were, that is probably protected first amendment activity, even if they know that that person, their source, their confidential source may be violating some agreement. >> okay. >> after all, that's happened a million times in journalism. >> let's say he's got a case against mary trump, where does
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the number 100 million come from, austin powers? >> i was just about to say 100 million in the austin powers way. i don't know where you get that money from, but the challenge is with modern pleading is that there's every incentive to ask for the sun, the moon, and the stars and then come off your ridiculous number as the case progresses. and sadly, for that reason, pleadings often feature a number that is plucked out of the either, that is outrageously high, which is perfect for someone like donald trump to ask for that amount of money. you're not bound by that initial number in your pleadings, at least in most jurisdictions. thank you. we're also watching another legal story from the trump world. according to court documents obtained by, you guessed it, "new york times," the former president's lawyers knew their claims that dominion voting machines were trying to steal the election from donald trump were absolutely false, yet his lawyers, his spokespeople
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repeatedly continued to make these claims for weeks. it comes after trump sent a letter to georgia's secretary of state asking him to decertify the state's election results ten months after he officially lost. all of this happened as georgia's prosecutors moved forward with their probe. joining me to discuss, the man himself, georgia's secretary of state brad raffensperger, he's the author of the upcoming book "integrity counts" out this fall. your state already counted the ballots three times, and former president donald trump lost three times. is there anything he can do -- is there anything, excuse me, you can do to make this request -- on what grounds is he even asking for you to decertify
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the election. >> when we receive new information, we investigate. as we wrap that up, we'll send that information to the state election board. at the end of the day, it's been ten months now and i'm alarmed and i think most people are alarmed that we're still talking and facing these issues of election disinformation, misinformation. it really at the end of the day hurts the social fabric of our nation. >> do you think there should be consequences? think about the "new york times" story that trump's lawyers knew they were lying about what dominion did, yet they kept on saying it. should there be consequences? >> i'm sure on that issue there that those lawyers will be facing consequences for their actions. >> like what? >> well, just like i'm a structural engineer, we have ethics requirements as part of our licensing, so do lawyers. wherever they're licensed i'm sure the bar will be taking a look at that at some point. here georgia, we've updated our
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election laws. we're getting ready for major mayoral races this year. the reason i wrote the book "integrity counts" is i wanted to make sure i could really lay out point by point exactly what happened in the election. every allegation that was made, we ran that down and we said, no, there weren't 5,000, there weren't 10,000 dead people that voted, there was less than a handful. there weren't 65,000 underaged voters, there were zero. they talked about thousands of felons, there was less than 74. things like that. we went through it point by point. we also talk about where do we from here? in georgia we've been facing this, we got from stacey abrams talking about voter suppression. last year it was voter fraud. both of them create lack of trust in the election process and really destroy voter confidence. when we get back to honest and fair elections that people aren't questioning the results every time, they just got to suck it up and accept their loss
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and move on. if they want to come back and run again, they're free to run again, but the elections are run fairly in the state of georgia. >> sure, we need to get back, but we haven't turned the ship around, in fact, we're going deeper and as much as integrity matters, what really matters is that people hear the truth. right now the big lie isn't going away. we've got republican candidates running on it all over the country, even in your state where congressman jody heist who voted to overturn the election results is now running for your job. how worried are you? yes, we have to bring things back? we're not right now. >> as it relates to him it's an interesting case because he voted to certify his own race, and yet he said that the presidential race using the same process, somehow that's tainted. that's a double minded person there, and as a pastor he should know better. >> then i have to ask, your state already counted these ballots. you've now gone through all this, but you're also looking at
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these restrictive voting laws that were put in place after the election after a fair, free election. should the state of georgia have done that? >> oh, we've actually expanded early voting. there were some bills that were going to restrict it and reduce the number of days of early voting. what came out was adding an additional day. we've also required to have drop boxes at all of our counties. last year 35 counties didn't have them. so there were many improvements. in fact, perhaps one of the best ones is that we've moved away from signature match. we've been sued by both the democrat party and the republican party on signature match. they said it was subjective, and they're correct on that. and that's why in 2018 when i ran, i said we need to move to driver's license number and that's what they've been using in minnesota for over ten years, and that's obviously a democratic secretary of state, democratic governor and general assembly. they love it up there.
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so we've moved towards that process. i think that is objective. i think that will help restore confidence. >> then practically speaking, not ideally, what's the one thing we can do right now to start really restoring faith in our elections? any way you slice it, they're eroding. >> it gets down to personal integrity at the end of the day. you can't control anyone else but yourself. you've got to look at yourself in the mirror so it really gets down to integrity. integrity counts, always has, always will. those values your parents gave you, grandparent, and really the founding fathers, in all the 250 years of history we have in this country, it came down to integrity. if we continue to lean into our guide post of integrity, things will improve very quickly. >> integrity is everything. secretary, thank you for joining me. i appreciate it. i look forward to reading your book. >> thank you. coming up next, parents anxiously awaiting the fda's call on whether their young kids can get the covid vaccine. we'll introduce you to one father and son who are helping make that a reality.
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parents nationwide are waiting to get their kids vaccinated for covid, and this morning we're one step closer to that happening, after pfizer anoupsed that its vaccine is safe and effective for kids ages 5 to 11. now it's up to the fda to weigh in. we're here to say thanks to 200 kids who participated in vaccine trials. that's how we got this data, including 250 who participated at the children's hospital in colorado. joining me now one of those kids, 9-year-old pfizer trial participant, diamo gregory and his dad greg also with us. daimo i start with you, you helped so many kids by doing this. what's it been like for you? >> so at first i didn't really think that i would be able to get into the kizer test because
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so many other kids have tried out for it and only 200 can get in, so i feel really blessed that i've finally been able to get in, and it's been amazing. >> amazing how? >> so first things first, i got into that, and then like they didn't really have to do anything major, and when i got the shot, there was no like big -- really big side effects. my arm wasn't sore, and i've heard about some kids that have been getting minor side effects. >> greg, why did you decide to let your son do this? >> i think most importantly it just seems like this first covid year is going to be inked in this whole generation's memories, and it was really kind of historic to be part of that in that kind of really special time and also just my wife and i
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were just excited that we could do something that kind of keeps our family safe on more kind of local level. >> were you scared -- greg, were you scared to let him do it from a health perspective? there's a lot of nervous parents out there. >> no, we weren't. we just looked at the data and we realized that covid is more dangerous than the vaccine. >> sure is. >> daimo, there are a lot of kids who aren't eligible yet, but they're very afraid. they're nervous for when their time comes. what do you want them to know? >> well, i want them to know that truthfully the consequences of getting covid, a possibility of dying is much worse than the consequences of getting a shot, and it swelling up a little bit and itches. >> greg, what's your message to parents who are maybe having doubts about vaccinating their
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children? >> there's really no reason not to. the chances of getting sick because of the vaccine are so small in comparison to the devastation that covid and the delta virus and who knows how many other changes this will go through. we're going to have covid for a long time, and we need to be safe, and this is how to do it. >> once you got vaccinated, were you able to start changing your behavior, doing more things? it's been a really difficult year at home. >> it has been. once i got the vaccination, i definitely felt a little bit safer, and i started becoming -- getting more social and there was a 1% chance that i could have got a placebo, but there still was that small chance. but i think that i did get the
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real one so i got to go to an amusement park, and there was a lot of people there and i came back and i didn't have covid, which i'm grateful for. >> well, i am grateful for both of you joining me today, and i appreciate you participating in this trial. you're helping a whole lot of kids get a whole lot safer. thank you both so much. coming up, it is day two of the united nations general assembly, and president biden is planning on a big covid pledge. but is he doing enough to calm world leaders? ers?
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it is day two of the u.n. general assembly, but this morning we are watching the white house where president biden will hold hold a virtual summit on the covid pandemic with other world leaders. he is set to announce the purchase of 500 million pfizer vaccine shots for countries in need and it comes after he spoke at the u.n. saying the united states is ready to work with anyone to fight threats like covid-19, climate change, and cyber attacks. it is about the world coming together. >> we are not seeking a new cold war or a world divided into rigid blocks. we'll also suffer the consequences of our failure if we do not come together to address the urgent threats like covid-19 and climate change or enduring threats like nuclear
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proliferation. >> joining us now, pbs "newshour" chief correspondent, amna navaz, also with us, brian klaas, and author of the new coming up book, "corruptible power." amna, biden's goal was to show that room that america is a reliable partner. did he do that, or did he just avoid getting laughed at, which is what happened to trump. >> stephanie, forgive me for starting with the obvious here. this is a very different president than his predecessor. and i went back and watched former president trump's address there. and it is really remarkable just how different that global stage is these days. how, of course, how different the two leaders are. but also that the rest of the world is watching this, too, and keeping up with the us right now. so, look, president biden yesterday was really all about reasserting u.s. leadership on
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the global stage. that america is not only back to recentering some of those global alliance norms that we know his predecessor did not necessarily respect or adhere to, but is also ready to lead. and lead on all of these global challenges that you talked about there. on covid, on climate, on protecting democratic values that we have to remember, he's delivering that message to some nato allies who are a little bit skeptical. because there have been some fissures recently. even with the withdrawal -- the u.s. withdrawal from afghanistan, we know that both the uk and france and other nato allies were a little peeved at how that unfolded. we know france was felt that they were left out in the cold a bit with the uk and australia really to counter china. and some of those fissures and fractures still have to be dealt with. that does exist. but where biden's big language that's commensurate with the united nations' general assembly stage about this decisive decade and inflection point of history, where those words meet actions
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right now is on covid. and we should point out, the u.s. has already been leading the way when it comes to donating covid vaccine globally to developing nations and some of the poorest nations. that's after facing criticism for hoarding a lot of that vaccine early in the pandemic. these additional 500 million doses that the u.s. is expected to announce today at that virtual covid summit that president biden is hosting, that brings the u.s. total to 1.1 billion doses that they have donated to the rest of the world. and we'll be hearing from some of those countries on day two of the general assembly today that really lag far behind the rest of the world. we should point out that while nearly 6 billion doses have been administered worldwide, less than 2% of those have gone to african nations. so there's a lot of work to be done and u.s. wants to lead. >> brian, it's more than a little peeved when it comes to france. emmanuel macron will have a call with president biden today. what does biden have to do to help fix this -- basically, this
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fight they're in. emmanuel macron is facing his own election in a year, and there is the threat from the far right in france. and he needs to do something to save face quickly. how can biden help that? >> i think biden should invite him to a high-profile summit at the white house to paper over tensions. but this is also a canary in the coal mine for a larger strategic problem that the rest of the world has. there were four years where frankly, a lot of our allies thought that we were a menace. they thought that we were a danger to their own security. so they're happy about what biden is saying, but they're going to be very, very curious to see what biden actually does. i think that's where the next several years of biden's presidency are going to be about preparing those alliances. and it's also worth pointing out that this is not the world that biden left when he left the white house under obama's protest. the world has changed. as he tried to pivot towards things like china, a harder line
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china, a harder line on russia. this is something where we can't just reset the clock. we can't just pretend that trump didn't happen. that means that european allies are hedging their bets a little bit. they view the u.s. as a less-reliable partner going forward, because everybody knows that trump happened and trump could happen again or something like him. that's really the core agenda for biden on the foreign stage, is to make clear to allies that we mean business. his words are not just rhetoric, and that the trump presidency is the distant past, not america's future. >> well, a really fansing meeting at the white house is a lot less valuable than that massive defense pact. macron will be looking for something. brian, i do want to ask you about this hard line. obviously, he doesn't want a cold war, but he's taken a much harder line on china, when we're not seeing that from our allies. how does he thread this needle? especially when our fbi director says, we're always investigating them. this is a difficult -- it is a difficult needle to thread, because many european countries
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rely economically on investment from china. they have large friday volumes with china, as does the united states. so when you say, as the white house, we want to have a harder line on china, the europeans might go along in rhetorical terms, but when it actually comes to cutting off economic ties or trade deals or trade flows with china, they might be more reticent. and i think this is where, you know, biden is really going to have his work cut out for him. as he talks about relentless diplomacy. but at some point, you'll have to be coercive, right? china is not going to respond to nice rhetorical turns of phrase. they have different values. at some point, you do need to have a situation where biden takes a harder line and actually coerces china, and that's going territory the europeans to be on side. >> it certainly will. coercing china. good luck to you. i'm stephanie ruhle. thank you for watching.
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good morning. i'm chris jansing. on a wednesday when president biden will be confronting many of the major crises facing his presidency. one hour from now, he will convene a virtual summit of world leaders to talk about ways to end what is now the deadliest pandemic in history, killing more than 4.5 million people,
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