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flights back here. the u.n. has called for the u.s. to look at each and every case individually before they start sending people back, but very clearly, these are mass expulsions, a blitz, you might say, and they're continuing right now. yasmin? >> thank you to jacob for that enlightening report. it is the top of the hour. you're watching msnbc reports with yasmin vossoughian. ♪♪ hi, everybody, it's the top of the hour. i'm yasmin vossoughian. for those of you still with us, thanks for sticking around. if you're just joining me, welcome. we have a lot to get to this hour. wrangling support, of course, on capitol hill. a rare weekend of action in d.c. as democratic leaders search for support on an infrastructure deal and a social spending plan. but how long will that take after the president told them to hold off for now? i'm going to speak to a member of the so-called progressive
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wing of the party, representative ritchie torres of new york. plus this. >> i'm a republican and i did not vote for her, but seeing what she's doing to act as kind of a counterbalance to the more extreme elements of the democrat party, i think she's doing a good job. >> that is what one voter says about senator kyrsten sinema of arizona and she just released a scathing letter slamming the delay of the infrastructure vote. she's getting all the attention along with west virginia's joe manchin, of course. while they appear to be a thorn in these ongoing negotiations, are they saving or hurting their party's majority? and why their end game is different from one another. also. it's been nearly eight months since that scene unfolded on capitol hill, still feels like it was yesterday. today, close to 80 of those
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arrested during the insurrection remain in jail. what we know about those cases. and a new round of subpoena business the january 6th committee. what happens if some of those 11 people do not show up? and the decision to get vaccinated while pregnant. why so many are electing to skip it. the new facts the cdc has to change minds. i'm going to speak to an expectant mother who is under that pressure to make that decision right now. plus, senator ted cruz stepping in it once again. why his comments supporting nba players not getting vaccinated for covid is giving abortion rights advocates a pretty good laugh. but we do, in fact, want to begin with democrats' continued push to pass the bipartisan infrastructure bill and the budget reconciliation. amid intraparty fighting that has delayed the path forward, joining me now, ritchie torres of new york. he's also a member of the progressive caucus. too bad, congressman, you couldn't come in because i know you're just up the way from us, but nonetheless, happy to see
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you, happy to have you here. bring me up to date at this hour where we are with negotiations. >> look, we're committed to passing both the bipartisan infrastructure framework and the build back better act. neither bill is sufficient on its own. we have to address physical, human, and social infrastructure. we have to combat catastrophic climate change and build a 21st century social contract and invest in pandemic preparedness. and the speaker has set a deadline of october 31st, so within the next month, we hope to make history and pass the largest investments in infrastructure in the history of the united states. >> all right, let's talk through some of this, and i know you're not necessarily wanting to negotiate on television, but how low are you willing to go considering now we know of the $1.5 trillion that manchin is possibly willing to pass? >> you know, i'm loath to put an arbitrary number out there and there's misconception about the price tag of the build back better act. the build back better act, the original draft, it is not $3.5 trillion over the course of a year. it's over the course of ten
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years. so it's $350 billion, which, for $20 trillion economy like ours, is a modest investment. so i think it's shortsighted to focus on the price tag. we obviously have to be mindful of the concerns of senator manchin and sinema. we have a once in a generation opportunity to combat climate change, to cut child poverty through an expanded child tax credit and instead of focusing on the price tag, i'd rather focus on the people. >> but a lot of this talk about is about the price tag. a lot of this talk during the negotiations is about how much money is being spent, especially when it comes down to the manchins and the sinemas of the world so we're now hearing it seems from the president that you're within this range of $1.9 trillion to $2.3 trillion. how does the progressive arm feel about this? >> look, we are willing to negotiate and let's be clear. we, the progressives, support both the bipartisan infrastructure framework and the
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build back better act. whereas senator manchin and sinema do not yet support the totality of the president's agenda, so what we need is greater clarity from senators manchin and sinema. we need them to spell out their position, because if we're not aware of their position, then we're in no position to negotiate with them. so, we need greater clarity from those two senators before we'll move forward. >> let me give you some clarity, and i'm going to read, in part, a statement from kyrsten sinema that she released today. she said, arizonans and all everyday americans expect their lawmakers to consider legislation on the merits, rather than obstruct new jobs and critical infrastructure investments for no substantive reason. what americans have seen instead is an ineffective stunt to gain leverage over a separate proposal. what do you make of this statement, congressman? >> well, it's an inexplicable statement. we're committed to passing both bills by the end of october. the obstructionism is certainly not coming from the progressive democrats. the obstructionism is coming
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from two senators. we're committed to passing both bills by the end. let's be clear. you know, we're on the verge of making history. and in the long arc of history, no one's going to remember the process. no one remembers the process that led to fdr's new deal or lbj's great society. people are going to remember the end product so whether it passes on september 30th or october 31st, is irrelevant in the long arc of history. we are going to get the job done, and it's better to get it done right than to get it done hastily. >> you make a good point in saying, obviously, infrastructure reconciliation, if these two things get passed, it could cause major systemic change in this country for the health and protection of all americans, right? that being said, aside, are you willing to sink both infrastructure and reconciliation to get the number that you want versus negotiating down to a place in which senators sinema and manchin, who have a lot of power right now because of the way the senate is weighted, like? are comfortable with?
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>> look, we are committed to passing both bills. do i have nonnegotiables? yes. one of my nonnegotiables is the child tax credit. if the child tax credit is left to expire, it will affect 69 million children. it will plunge 10 million children into either poverty or deep poverty. so, plunging children into poverty is unacceptable to me. it's a nonnegotiable for me. so, we all have our nonnegotiables but you know, speaker pelosi, majority leader chuck schumer, president biden, these are some of the most gifted politicians of their generation and they're going to land these two planes smoothly and we're going to get it done by october 31st, that i'm confident. >> what's a negotiable, congressman? what's a negotiable? >> well, we certainly going to have to lower the price tag from $3.5 trillion based on the concerns. some of the programs can be revised at the margins but instead of negotiating in public, i think we want to hear more feedback from kyrsten sinema and joe manchin and then
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we can negotiate from there. we cannot negotiate when we're not aware of the concerns on the other side. >> why these timelines in place? you talk about the october 31st deadline. first it was september 27th. now october 31st. there were deadlines before that as well. that kind of puts -- that puts the democrats in a tough spot. why impose these arbitrary deadlines versus just getting the job done? >> well, deadlines create accountability. and it's important to communicate the speaker's communicating her expectations to her caucus. that we're going to aim to pass both bills by october 31st. and it's not an arbitrary deadline. we passed, on september 30th, we passed a surface 30-day extension of the surface authorization, surface transportation authorization, which funds a whole range of transportation projects across the country. that's set to expire by october 31st, so the deadline is not arbitrary. we have to get it done by october 31st. >> and you're confident -- >> and then --
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>> you're confident you will, by october 31st? you feel confident at this point that you guys can actually get it done by october 31st? you can all get on the same page? >> the president is willing to spend all of his political capital. he recognizes that we are in an fdr moment, that we have a historic opportunity to govern as boldly in the 21st century as fdr did and lbj did in the 20th century, and we're going to make the most of that once in a generation opportunity. the stakes are too high. >> all right. ritchie torres, appreciate it. thank you for joining us on this. good luck in the month ahead. i want to bring in my panel now, susan and juanita. welcome, ladies. i'm sure you were listening to my interview with congressman ritchie torres. it seems as if they're fairly confident, especially after hearing from the president earlier today, they can get things done in the next 30 days. susan, to you first.
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your reaction. >> well, i do think they can get things done in the next 30 days. what i found so interesting is when the congressman said his nonnegotiable item is the child tax credit. it's probably the only thing that, if it went to the house on a stand alone, that could be negotiated with and gain republican support. it is very important that the democrats start itemizing what they want and how. for example, the child tax credit, don't make it universal. do means testing. that's what joe manchin has said. and when i say means testing, i'm saying, $400,000 and above to hold on to president biden's promise of not adding any new taxes. but it's -- there are opportunities to have real conversations. expanding medicaid is something -- medicare, excuse me -- is something senator manchin is very concerned about so why not have that conversation? people are hearing this number of $3.5 trillion or $2 trillion
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and they're saying, that's a lot of money. what are we spending it on? >> let's dig into this a little bit, juanita. do you think the democrats are not necessarily being as forthcoming as they should be, as transparent as they should be about what is exactly in this bill and where the money is being spent? >> no, i think democrats have actually made their case and we know president biden's going to hit the road to continue to tell people how their lives will be changed by this massive reconciliation bill. that is a key part of his agenda. and people, i think, are absolutely down for it. we've seen from polls and research that each of these provisions and the sum of the bill have more than two-thirds support and that's across partisan lines, so yes, do democrats need to hit that drum beat more? sure. but i think what's more important when you mention transparency, yasmin, is transparency from manchin and sinema, transparency about what exactly they need, what they
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need to cut, because what i appreciate the congressman expressing is that president biden is willing to spend every bit of political capital he has to get this done because it is so critical to his agenda. and so now we need to hear not just a random number but what exactly are you trying to cut from this, manchin and sinema, as we heard representative cori bush say. what are your priorities? who are your priorities? and let that come through in transparent negotiations. and while manchin has put out this number and put out some statements around mean testing and other arguments about entitlement, which one could argue are entirely illogical, i think what it comes down to now is hearing publicly what senator sinema also wants instead of these ridiculous statements like the one she put out today, kind of finger-wagging at house democrats for leveraging what they know to be another critical bill to make sure that president biden's full agenda gets through and to people who need help, get the help they need. >> let's talk about manchin and
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sinema a little bit more, being dubbed as conservative democrats. susan del percio, i want to read from this op-ed. manchin and sinema may enjoy the attention they've been receiving recently but if they don't go along with the leadership now, they will have done more to bring down biden and the democratic majority in congress than senator mcconnell and representative kevin mccarthy ever could. you think about every time manchin and sinema's names have come up over the last months. it is on voting rights, abortion rights, infrastructure, reconciliation. we could go on and on at this point. are they doing more damage to their party than good? >> well, they're the loudest voices on these issues. there still are a handful of other moderate democrats who are happy that manchin and sinema are carrying this water and i would like to split them up a little bit. only because joe manchin is always joe manchin.
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like, he's -- he tells you what he wants to do. he's pretty straightforward. sinema's more of a question because she's been a little, you know, snarky with the media and we're really not sure why she's doing this except maybe to help her colleague, junior senator mark kelly, because like for example -- that's a perfect example. mark kelly is like, i'm only talking about state issues. that's it. i only want to talk about what's good for the state. he will got get into this conversation, so her carrying water for her re-election in 2024 is a lot better than him getting into the fight for 2022. >> juanita tolliver, i want to read a tweet from the joe scarborough. mitch mcconnell does what it takes to win. democrats should feel free to do the same. if they can't even make an exception for voting rights, they aren't tough enough to run the senate. joe scarborough is essentially making the point, if you're not going to act, right, then in a
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way, maybe you deserve to lose the majority. in the senate as a democrat. especially on something as important as voting rights. >> yasmin, i rarely agree with joe, but this is something that i have been saying since it became clear that democrats would have control of the senate. i said, act accordingly. that means, those ruthless tactics that mcconnell has used to force through judges and tax bills to get his agenda done. take some notes, apply those notes and get this done because failure is not an option here for democrats. how could you possibly go back to voters in this midterm or even in 2024 and say, hey, you gave us the house, the senate, and the presidency, and we still couldn't deliver for you, and absolutely blaming this on two democratic senators is not going to be sufficient in that argument to voters, because voters are going to be sitting back and looking like, did you deliver for me? did you improve my quality of life? did you change the systems you
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committed to changing? and if the answer is no, then that is a horrible recipe for democrats in 2022 and in 2024. >> while i have you ladies, i want to touch quickly on the debt limit, the fight over the debt limit, essentially republicans saying, we got hands off. if democrats want to do away with the debt limit and want to suspend the debt limit, they got to do this thing on their own. that's what mitch mcconnell said, even went so far as to press, you think i'm bluffing? i'm not bluffing on this thing, right? you think about that. but the debt limit is actually to pay back all of what was spent over the last four years. it was the trump tax cuts. >> well, yasmin, look at what you read from joe scarborough. that's how mitch mcconnell operates. ten years ago, when he was the majority leader, he said, the debt ceiling is a hostage worth ransoming. he has been consistent on this. and make no mistake, if he gets back into control, he will seek to eliminate the need to raise the debt ceiling and maybe give
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it back to the president or some other kind of negotiation there. he is so consistent, and you have to believe him. just as nancy pelosi knows how to count every vote she has, mitch mcconnell knows every trick in the book. >> juanita, do you think democrats are going to be able to figure out a way to suspend this debt ceiling in time? >> i think they better use every tool available to do it because we know what comes along with it, economic ruin, as we're still in a recession and still in a pandemic, that no one needs, impacts for local or consumers at a baseline level in terms of interest rates, all of that would be horrible for democrats, so, again, failure is not an option here. do what you need to do. >> juanita tolliver, susan del percio, thank you both. all right, pregnant women being urged to get the vaccine, not only for themselves but to help protect their unborn children. after the break, we're going to hear from a woman 32 weeks pregnant about why she's been holding out. plus, after nearly 100
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welcome back, everybody. this week, the cdc issued its strongest guidance to date urging pregnant women to get vaccinated against covid. it is coming amid alarming new statistics, showing more than 160 expectant mothers have died from the virus since this pandemic began. 22 of them dying just last month. the u.s. has reported more than a quarter million coronavirus cases in pregnant women, a staggering 22,000 of whom had to be hospitalized. yet despite these troubling numbers and the fact that pregnancy has been established as an underlying health condition, less than a third of pregnant women have gotten their vaccine. joining me now to talk about her decision as of right now, not to get vaccinated, is mom-to-be,
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viola choice. thanks for joining us this afternoon. happy baby shower day. i know you're having a baby shower in just a couple hours. >> thank you for having me. >> how are you feeling? >> i'm feeling great. i really am. >> how's the pregnancy been for you so far? >> it's been a pregnancy. >> yeah. >> it's had its ups and downs, you know? being pregnant is -- like i said, it's an underlying complication in itself, you know? we are -- our immune system is so low, and being sick -- i get a common cold every once in a while. and yeah, it's morning sickness, things like that. but for the most part, it's been great. but i'm rolling with the bumps and i'm enjoying every part of it. >> you got to roll with the bumps. you're learning to be a mom because you already are but you always got to roll with the bumps once that new baby comes along, i know personally as well. talk to me, viola, about your choice not to get the vaccine. >> okay, so, to begin with, a
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lot of people, when i speak to them about my choice on getting the vaccine, they automatically think that i'm anti-vaccine and that this is just something that i sworn against and that's not what the case is at all. a lot of women feel the same way as i do. a lot of friends that i have right now are pregnant as well, and we just feel as if there just isn't enough research and much time put into it, and i have expressed this to my doctors as well, and they show me the numbers. i've seen many research and testimonies and things like that of good results, and just as a mom-to-be, we are very protective, and this is something that we are very unclear about. being pregnant in a pandemic is very hard. it is. the death rates, just seeing the numbers, it's all scary. it really is. but my choice not to get
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vaccinated so far has basically just been because it's just not been enough research for me, personally. >> so, that's your reasoning. i've heard that before from other folks as well in my reporting. i want to play for you, viola, though, something that i heard from dr. natalie azar, who i interviewed in our last hour and i told her that you were coming on and i wanted to hear what she had to say to you about this choice. take a listen. >> okay. >> in order to have a healthy baby, you need to have a healthy mother, so these vaccines are protecting mom first and secondarily, baby. some of the research that's been done on vaccinating women during pregnancy has come out of my own institution, from colleagues of mine that just reported a week ago, showing that women who were vaccinated in pregnancy, all 100% of their infants had evidence of antibodies, spike antibody in the cord blood, and as you know, yasmin, newborns,
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number one, are not eligible for vaccine, not even for the flu vaccine yet but certainly not for the covid-19 vaccine. therefore, they need mom's antibodies for protection. and this is the way you can do it. >> so, you hear dr. natalie azar. you hear the warnings from the cdc, urging all pregnant women to get vaccinated immediately when you take a look at some of these startling numbers and i just want to read them to you so you understand the situation. you got twofold increased risk of icu admission if, in fact, you are unvaccinated and pregnant. 70% higher risk of death. 161 pregnant women have died of covid. 22 deaths in august alone. what do you make of these warnings, these numbers that i just told you? is there any chance, any possibility that you're willing to change your mind in the last eight weeks of your pregnancy, that you're considering getting vaccinated? >> definitely hearing what the
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doctor said, we're still learning all together, really, and that was very helpful of what she said. and from those numbers that you just said, it's scary. like i said, it's very scary, just seeing the chances of something happening to me or my child, it's very alarming. but in all of this, like you said, i have eight weeks left, and i would feel more comfortable after giving birth getting the vaccine because i see that as well as it passes through breast milk. so if that can help my baby get the antibodies, that would be great. but like she said, newborns can't have the covid vaccine, and things like that alarm me because it's like, my baby is inside of me, so who knows of what i put in my body doesn't pass to her? for instance, we can't eat -- the cdc also recommends that pregnant women shouldn't eat hot
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dogs and lunch meat and things like that because of the risk and there's always a risk to something, you know? and it's just scary for us, because we don't want to put our babies in any risk possible at all. >> i -- >> so that's really what alarms me. >> i've been pregnant twice myself, i have two little boys at home, i understand the fear. i urge everybody out there, that's watching this segment, and viola, you as well, continue to check with your doctors about the progress that's being made on vaccinations and the safety measures out there that are in place for pregnant women like viola and their babies as well. viola, i appreciate you joining us on this and being vulnerable with us because i know that's not easy. have a great rest of your day, and enjoy your baby shower. >> thank you so much. >> and stay safe and stay protected. >> thank you. definitely. thank you, you too. thank you. all right, a growing number of defendants charged in the attack on the capitol are saying they were caught up in the moment when they stormed the building. does that mindset really make a difference? and can it impact how the
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welcome back. of the roughly 600 people charged in the january 6th insurrection, close to 80 remain jailed pending trial as court dates continue to roll in. yesterday, a federal judge scheduled a case update for four kansas city residents accused of breaching the capitol for january 6th. 2022, the one-year anniversary of the capitol riot. nbc 4 washington reporter scott macfarlane has an update on where some of the more high-profile defendants stand. >> reporter: here we are nearly nine months since the u.s. capitol insurrection and the number of defendants charged by the feds, still growing. more than 600, and add to that list, jeremy brown of florida, the court has just unsealed his case. brown, according to the feds, is a former u.s. house candidate from florida who brought an rv
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with him that day, an rv he called ground force one, according to prosecutors. he's also accused of having tactical gear with him on the grounds, including zip ties. no defense lawyer listed yet for jeremy brown. he's not yet entered a plea in his case. also quickly rising, the number of plea agreements reached by the feds, though largely, almost exclusively, in misdemeanor cases, lower level cases. there was a seminal moment late in the week as the first misdemeanor defendants pleaded guilty and got jail sentences issued by a judge. derek and eric, both acknowledged being unlawfully on the capitol grounds january 6th. they had tactical gear t feds say. they both got 45-day sentences. derek was an air force veteran. monday promises to be one of the busiest days in court yet in the u.s. capitol breach prosecutions. among those scheduled to be in court, federico klein, a former trump administration appointee who's pleaded not guilty and the
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two defendants specifically accused of attacking brian sicknick. he died of multiple strokes. those two have pleaded not guilty. we'll see what happens when they appear in court again on monday afternoon. >> all right, i want to bring in barbara mcquaid, msnbc legal analyst and former u.s. attorney in michigan. thanks for joining us on this. you heard scott mention derek. i want to read a part of his apology for you, and then we're going to dissect it a little bit. he said this. i do apologize for my individual actions that day. i did get caught up in the moment, he said. i wish i could have demonstrated better behavior and stayed back. i have great respect for the institutions of this country. i love this country. i feel ashamed of the actions i took. it seems like this whole idea of getting caught up in the moment is being used a lot more amongst many of these individuals. is this a viable defense?
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and could it influence at all jail time? >> so, it's not a viable defense, yasmin, in terms of viability, and you'll notice this is coming up in the context of plea hearings. we have not really seen anybody run with this as an effort to win at trial. because i think it would likely fail there. if you know what you're doing, regardless of your motive, if you did the thing that the law prohibits, you're guilty of that crime. but where i think it's coming into play here is trying to get mercy from the judge. they're trying to play it both ways. you'll hear him say, i take responsibility for my actions, i have great respect, i have remorse, but i got caught up in the moment so trying to shift the blame and say, it was those other people like donald trump and those who followed him who led me astray. it could have some influence on the ultimate sentence a judge chooses to impose within the guideline range but it's not going to be a blanket defense that relieves them of liability. >> can we talk about the january 6th commission going straight to
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subpoenas? let's take a listen to chairman bennie thompson. >> we did 11 subpoenas this week. we started questioning some of the voluntary witnesses today and we'll continue that process. we'll have other subpoenas scheduled to come out, and we'll continue to do our work. the committee will probably, for those who don't agree to come in voluntarily, we'll do criminal referrals. >> how serious do you think this threat of criminal referrals is? >> well, i think it has some teeth now because of the change in the administration. in the prior administration, the justice department was really dormant when it came to these things, enforcing subpoenas. now that we have an administration that i think is working to maintain its independence, if somebody should simply snub their nose at a subpoena by congress, then
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criminal contempt is a very real possibility. i think one thing that could happen in the meantime is that the witnesses who don't want to appear could proactively file their own lawsuits in an effort to delay things. but i think ultimately, congress is moving aggressively and they want to get the witnesses and the documents they need and by issuing subpoenas rather than the normal courtesies of voluntary compliance, i think they're trying to fast forward to that second stage before waiting around for people to say, no. >> so let's expand on that for just a moment. we're talking about kevin mccarthy, steve bannon, dan scavino jr. as well. how likely is it that these subpoenas could get them to talk? to testify? and how could that damage the former president? >> i think ultimately, this committee can absolutely get that testimony. just as we ultimately saw don mcgahn required to testify, even after he had asserted privilege and stalled things. i think they could try to delay
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things in court, but ultimately, i think that congress will get the information that it wants and that it needs. and depending on what those facts are, they could be very damaging to donald trump. people who were with him that day or spoke to him that day could expose his intent, his intent to defraud or his omissions, even his failure to do things as the commander in chief could bring him, in not criminal liability, you know, certainly the kinds of things that could be damaging to his reputation in his further future political career. >> barbara mcquade, thank you. great to see you. >> thanks, yasmin. coming up, everybody, with nancy pelosi and chuck schumer so far unable to get president biden's agenda moving, is the democratic leadership losing its mojo? don't go anywhere. ic leaderships mojo don't go anywher e. before we talk about tax-smart investing, what's new? -audrey's expecting... -twins! ♪♪ we'd be closer to the twins. change in plans. at fidelity, a change in plans is always part of the plan.
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once the best vote wrangler of her era, nbc's jonathan allen is writing, that speaker nancy pelosi watched helplessly this week as acrimony between moderates and progressives spilled into public view and chances of swiftly delivering on president biden's agenda shrank. what could that mean for the future of the party in joining me now to help answer that question is nbc news senior digital reporter jonathan allen. so, you think, jonathan allen, that speaker pelosi has kind of lost her mojo, and in fact, do you think this has anything to do with the fact that she has promised to not stay on as speaker after the year? >> well, let's not limit it to nancy pelosi. i will definitely -- let's talk about pelosi but this is true of president biden, it's true of senate majority leader chuck schumer. we've seen the inability of the party leaders to push their members in either direction, either to get one of the bills
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or the other bill or both of them at the same time. but as far as speaker pelosi goes, i do think that, you know, number one, we've seen her more amenable to the needs of some of the recalcitrance that she used to just kind of snap back into shape when she needed to, and i think some of that does have to do with the fact that she's said that this will be her last term as speaker. you know, there's no fear factor with pelosi anymore and i think it also speaks to a larger thing that's been going on in our politics, which is, in both parties, really, a resistance to establishment figures and the existence of establishment politics. >> were you surprised that it seems as if the president essentially sided with the progressive caucus? >> i was surprised in this way, yasmin. it's a great question because i'm not surprised that joe biden wants his whole agenda and i'm not even surprised at some level there's this tactical desire to
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tie the infrastructure bill to the big safety net spending bell but i've never seen a president of the united states effectively argue against congress sending him his own legislation, in this case, i mean the infrastructure bill. it is what joe biden might have called, a couple of decades ago, the perfect being the enemy of the good in terms of holding out for everything he wants by using that transportation and infrastructure bill as leverage. at the very least, he's bowing to the political reality of the progressives not being willing to vote for that infrastructure bill, but what it really looked like this week, a little bit more, was that he was siding with them, not just bowing to the reality. >> i got to play devil's advocate here, jonathan allen, for just one moment. if they do actually get this thing passed, both infrastructure and reconciliation, it could be a real force of bipartisanship, right? a real show of negotiations happening in washington, which we really haven't seen for quite some time until, of course, the passage of the hard infrastructure bill in the
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senate. >> yeah, i mean, i think if they get both of these done, we're likely to see more, rather than bipartisanship, sort of bifactionalism, if you will. >> right. that's a good one. >> the left of the democratic party and the center of the democratic party. but look, this is an absolutely huge agenda, and what president biden's trying to do would be transformational in terms of the $4 trillion that's -- that he's looking to be spent and what he's looking to spend that on. and i think that the reality is that it will probably get smaller. joe manchin has said $1.5 trillion is his number. and you know, it's not shocking that the president would try to get as much of his agenda as possible, but it is a little surprising to watch this process play out. it could be that, you know, he and speaker pelosi and senate majority leader chuck schumer walk out of this looking like legislative geniuses, looking like, you know, they're masters of the congress. but right now, it doesn't look that way. >> just one last thing, jonathan
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allen. what did you make of this revelation that while progressives were yelling, where is your bottom line, joe manchin? what number would you settle on? chuck schumer knew the whole time. >> yeah, i think it hurts senator schumer not only with the moderates who were alarmed to know that he had been hammering joe manchin for all of these months for not having a bottom line while he had actually seen it in secret and signed a document that included it. but also progressives. it hurts schumer's reputation as somebody who can be an honest and fair broker and he's going to have to do work to try to earn that back. >> jonathan allen we see that beach view behind you. good to see you. your body, your choice, everybody. senator ted cruz thinks so when it comes to vaccinations but not getting an abortion. my head-scratcher of the week is coming up next. head-scratcher s coming up next
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republicans to keep the stories straight and that is my head scratcher on this wednesday. excuse me. on wednesday republican senator ted cruz laid into the democrat ek colleagues calling the pro abortion rights position radical and extreme and praising the restrictive abortion legislation as reasonable. but barely 30 minutes later he seemed to have forgotten the argument in a series of tweets proclaiming the support of small nba players that are the face of anti-vaccination and without a hint of irony used #your body your choice and threw support behind lebron james saying i don't think i should get involved in what other people do with their bodies. cruz called that courageous. perm did not speak publicly about her abortion in 31 years
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and then decided to join the more than 500 women athletes. in an interview she recounted how she became pregnant and hid the decision to pearl nate the pregnancy from all but a few people until at 51 she decided quote i shouldn't be embarrassed about the decision i made for my health especially with so much on the line. no word yet on whether senator cruz finds her as courageous as lebron james but we certainly do. and screening for colon cancer. yep. the american cancer society recommends screening starting at age 45, instead of 50, since colon cancer is increasing in younger adults. i'm cologuard®. i'm convenient and find 92% of colon cancers... ...even in early stages. i'm for people 45 plus at average risk for colon cancer, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your provider if cologuard is right for you.
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california lawmakers unanimously voted to return bruce's beach to the descendants of a black couple almost 100 years after the land was seized through 'em nant domain. not only was the land seized but those black americans were also driven out by the kkk. nbc's tremaine lee reports. >> reporter: in july 2020 manhattan beach resident ward mobilized after learning the dark past of the sunny beachside park now known as bruce's beach. parcelled of the land once owned by charles and willa loose. it quickly became a haven for black tourists and entertainers
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from across the country. it also became a target of white supremacists who with officials ultimately seized the land in 1924. on the grounds that it will be used for a public park. but for three decades the lots sat vacant. >> i don't care if it happens to black entrepreneurs, white entrepreneurs. someone having the land taken from them is wrong. and unjustly it's wrong. this was specifically based on race. and so that makes it even worse. >> reporter: according to a study from 2014 of 1 million people displaced by eminent domain between 1949 and 1973 two thirds were african-american. it's been used to tack over land held by communities of color across america in virginia and high profile cases look dodgers stadium in los angeles. it is still being used today for
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highway expansions, pipelines and more. dispossessing a new generation of black, brown and indigenous citizens. >> most of the wealth equity in this country and for most families is through land or property ownership. and some people who were not white have not had this mechanism to grow wealth. >> reporter: black families are disproportionately vulnerable by legal means including loopholes and partition sales but little is done to protect them. >> there's land organizations around for generations. all of these groups have tried in one way or another to get land back or at least to get some sort of reparations or
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payment for lost resources. >> tremaine lee for that story. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm yasmin vossoughian. reverend al sharpton and "politics nation" starts right now. ♪♪ good evening and welcome to "politics nation." tonight's lead -- fighting at the table. right now i would appreciate the drama on capitol hill if, of course, the future of our nation didn't hang in the balance. even though congressional democrats averted a federal shutdown this week, with the help of just enough republicans, neither part of president biden's signature infrastructure plan is yet to be voted on after what democrats hoped would be a break through week. the president was on


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