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months of chaos in the hospitals, damage to the economy and anxiety in the schools. and empty restaurants. much less commerce. look. i know the vaccination requirements are a tough medicine. unpopular with some. politics for others. but they're life saving. they're game changing for our country. >> president biden gets tonight's last word. "the 11th hour with brian williams" starts now. good evening why day 261 of the biden administration. our nation has averted something of a financial catastrophe for now. tonight your u.s. senate voted 50-48 along party lines to temporarily raise the debt ceiling just 11 days before the deadline. that came after mitch mcconnell allowed it to happen by agreeing
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not to block a simple majority vote. however this does not end the drama over the debt limit. we'll be back the get again in december when the battle over how much the nation can borrow starts up all over again why meanwhile a con front take is quickly shaping between the former president and the house committee investigating the january 6 riot insurrection and attempt to overturn the election. there's now less than an hour left for fire former trump aides to comply with a subpoena for documents related to the capitol riot and the effort do deny joe biden the presidency. nbc news confirming a politico report that trump is directing those aides to defy the committee subpoenas. trump's lawyer sent them all a letter telling them not to cooperate and trump intends to assert executive privilege but former presidents don't get to do that. here's what two members of the january 6 committee had to say
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earlier tonight. >> the former president doesn't have the authority to order them not to comply. we are prepared to take any and all actions available to us. >> he's tried to get in the way of investigation. i would expect we'd make decisions on the next steps might be. >> today that committee issued three more subpoenas to two activists and an organization deeply involved in rallies before the insurrection. one request for documents and deposition went to ali alexander the leader of stop the steal which as its name might imply a prominent organization pushing the big lie. the panel cited reports that say alexander referenced possible use of violence to achief the goals and in touch with the white house and members of congress. there is also stunning new
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information about the shear intensity of the effort to cling to power. senate judiciary committee today release add nearly 400-page report titled subverting justice, how the former president and allies pressured the department of justice to overturn the 2020 election. says it right there in the title. among the unknown rev lags trump asked the doj to investigate baseless claims of voter fraud. and a photo with leadership on december 31st and three days before the insurrection in which trump pressured the then acting attorney general jeffrey rosen and others. trump discussed replacing rosen with another justice official who promised to pursue the election lies. only backed down after rosen, deputy and white house counsel pat cipollone threatened mass
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resignations. cipollone is said to have argued the proposed ban would be a quote murder/suicide pact. dick durbin says the report findings show the grave rick in the final weeks of the last administration. >> we were so close to a constitutional crisis. to think to allow donald trump to question the outcome of a presidential election and to defy all of the legal analysis saying there's no massive voter fraud. that was a serious moment in the history of the united states. shame on us if we just pass it by. >> republicans on the committee led by senator chuck grassley are out with their own analysis of the president's actions following his election loss. in addition to citing the quote concern of an attack on the electoral system the actions
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were consistent with the responsibilities as president to faithfully execute the law. grassley by the way the dean of the senate republicans is speaking at trump's rally in iowa this weekend. another item, there is promising news on the covid front at long last. pfizer has now asked the fda to sign off on its vaccine for children between the ages of 5 and 11. we'll have much more on this medical development later in this hour. but with that let's bring in the starting line on this evening. sam stein, veteran journalist who's now white house editor for political. during the first trump impeachment. and kimberly atkins-stewart of boston herald, now a member of the boston globe editorial board.
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and co-host of pod sisters-in-law. good evening and welcome to you all. sam, your news organization broke this story of trump influence on the 1/6 committee. how does this bring us into new territory given the players? >> this is what we were building up to. right? we knew that trump was going to urge defiance, papgs from former aides in this investigation. we knew he would pressure them not to comply. now we have it reported happening. the question is what do the four people do with that request from the president? do they honor it and defy the committee. defy the subpoena and risk all the legal consequences that come with it? do they fight it out as they can in court? do they comply? everything that we know from the past is that they will obfuscate
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and dig the heels in and dare the committee to flex the muscles that it has. democrats seem to be talking much more aggressive game. we saw a couple clips of them saying we'll pursue all options but this becomes a very hyper partisan, hyper political proposition once you get to that stage. now it's -- now the attention on what the committee does if they do defy the subpoenas. >> that's a great question and brings us to daniel goldman. here's professor lawrence tribe up at harvard law school. he says this tonight. challenging assignment, explain why this isn't criminal obstruction of justice and of congress committed in plain sight. daniel, i don't have a degree from harvard law school or now that i think of it any college and you are a lawyer and not a politician so let me ask it this way. that seems right to me.
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the democrats have been charlie browned by the republicans at every turn for going on what? five-plus years. lay out for us what the committee can possibly do, can really do, real consequences beyond kind of vague threats and promises. >> the committee doesn't have that many options but one option that's available but that was not really in the available in the congress when i worked for the house is to refer over these witnesses to the department of justice to initiate criminal contempt proceedings. which is a whole different animal than enforcement in court through either civil contempt or an act by congress. let's just take a step back here because there's sort of two things going on in parallel. one is donald trump, an ordinary citizen of the united states, is
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intervening in an official proceeding and trying to influence others not to cooperate with an official proceeding. has obstruction of justice and because he is no longer the president when he did that when i worked for the house he had the patina of being the president of the united states and being able to invoke privilege. he has no longer has that. he is interfering with no basis to do so. as for the witnesses themselves, they would like, of course, to rely on this assertion of executive privilege which donald trump cannot exert right now in order to avoid having to testify. i would wait if i were in the house right now i would wait until next week when they were subpoenaed to sit for a deposition and then i would refer that over to the department of justice for them to consider initiating control
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contempt proceedings and could result in the witnesses going to jail. this is serious and akin to violating a grand jury subpoena than what we have seen in the past and real briefly the reason to wait for that is that there was a recent opinion in the don mcgahn case which basically said there's no such thing as complete immunity and no basis not for the witnesses to show up to congress. they can try to invoke executive privilege there but they cannot just defy the subpoena at all. it's a much more straightforward and simple case than dealing with these documents. >> we'll return to this subject after we ask kim about politics and capitol hill. and donald trump. this guy has been out of office for nine months. he is able to command loyalty from elected republicans and apparently from former
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employees. is that just simply fear in your reporting? >> it's not just fear. i believe that republicans see that his methods of politics, especially with the party that is continuing to shrink, has been effective. if you look at 2020, yes, donald trump lost the presidency. but they didn't see the sort of beating that republicans could have taken in congressional races, for example. that's why we have an evenly split congress and an attempt to hold on to that power any way you can. i think that's why you see attacks on election laws. they know that voting right just because they know fewer people that vote the better they make out and something more broadly going on with donald trump himself. he is out of office but one thing i found interesting about
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this senate report was saying how his ongoing claims that the election was stolen, ongoing perpetuation of the big lie continues to pose a threat. the threat is not over after him leaving office. it is a thing that's spurring folks like those that storms the capitol on january 6 to take those actions and that there could be more so this is a really serious report. yes, it lays out with detail to reporting we have seen done in the past and creates a clear message for americans. why they should care about this. why this is a big deal and why this is still an ongoing threat given what the president continues, the former president continues to claim. >> sam, i saw you on social media tonight commenting on this let's talk about chuck grassley. he gets a pass generally in press coverage all day long and twice on sundays as the kind of
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cantankerous but lovable dean of republican senators. he's going to run again, a re-election material that would bring him to i think age 94. let's underscore what it means that chuck grassley is speaking at a trump rally this weekend. >> first, i thought you were going to talk about my social media lament of the red sox tonight so i'm glad we didn't go down that route. as for my comment on chuck grassley, i thought it was an extraordinary thing. here you have an actual -- the dean, the dean of the senate, especially on the republican side, going to a trump rally right after he announces re-election campaign and this is someone who while he did not vote for impeachment the second time around did put out a fairly blistering statement that condemned trump for how he handled the post-election
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lead-up to the january 6 riots. yet here today he issued a report and i thought in some ways more notable than the senate democratic judiciary committee report in that it said essentially trump should be ab solved and almost applauded for not going down the route he explored nine times and testing the system and doing the constitutional responsibility to make sure that the vote was done accurately. it is a wild conclusion to reach akin to saying someone who's conspireing to rob a bank and asking all these people to help him do it should get a pass because he didn't go through with the act of robbery. to me it symbolized that the institutional republican party, the people you think would be the ones to say you know what? we don't want to go down this route, that they have memory hold or at least deliberately january 6 and moved on because they think it's advantageous for
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them. >> daniel goldman, in your first answer you matter of fact stated that donald trump does meet the definition of obstruction of justice. in public and out loud with his orders conveyed through the letters to the former employees. what about that? what about consequences there for all the folks watching who heard that part of your answer and are wondering where the consequences are for former president? >> look. i have been saying for a while now that the department of justy needs to hope up an investigation, a different but overlapping investigation into donald trump and his close associates post-election conduct because in many ways what they did between november and january 6 was even far worse than what they specifically did on january 6. and it prompted and perhaps
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caused the horrible consequences that we saw from the insurrection and the rioting. and that requires a criminal investigation. this is perhaps part and parcel of it or a separate investigation but it all dovetails together with what is clear effort, a clear intent to overthrow the government, to overturn the election. and what we learned in the senate judiciary committee today adds to that fire and we're basically learning something just about every week of how it was worse than what we knew before. and it just requires an investigation because we cannot allow a president or other senior government officials to try to overturn an election without at a min numb a criminal investigation into seditious conspiracy, subverting the election, whether it be on strurks of justice for what he did today, can all be part of
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it. >> kim, as you're probably aware fox news tonight scored a rare and exclusive phone interview with donald trump and in surviving the withering questions from sean hannity trump let it be known again he thinks that mcconnell should be replaced atop the gop leadership in the senate. this may call for a prediction on your part but is mcconnell going to be tougher the next time that the debt ceiling comes up in december having been called out this time? >> look. i think mitch mcconnell sort of mastered this ability to distance himself and try to move on from donald trump while smul tan lousily not running afoul to -- of donald trump's priorities or losing support
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from his supporters so i predict he'll continue to do the same thing. certainly donald trump has not forgotten the speech mitch mcconnell made for one day after january 6 condemning him but one thing that i think that this shows the way that donald trump attacks those that are formally the ally and a reason of donald trump greatest accomplishment in government is the judiciary with the appointments and he can turn on a dime on those who don't do his own bidding. we see that in this report. i think that is a les sons for these four folks that stand real criminal liability if they try to fight these subpoenas on this really baseless claim of executive privilege. they can ask michael cohen. the moment that donald trump is done with someone he is done with them and they could be left out on their own with very serious charges. having to face a lot of legal
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expenses to fight them so that's one thing they should consider making the next legal moves. >> i want to thank you all for starting us off tonight. sam, daniel, kimberly, our great thanks. the big lie turning into washington's longest running drama. it would be cute if it didn't mean real consequences for our democracy. more over the top performances today in the house. shocking details in the senate how far somebody went to stay in office. now what? guests with some suggestions. later, what it really takes to declare the pandemic is behind us. all of it as the 11th hour is just getting under way on this thursday evening just beneath the truman balcony. s event of t. the homeandautobundle xtravafestasaveathon!
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the president has his priorities. okay. and he knows i have my priorities. and he's my president. i want him to succeed. i want our country to succeed. and that means we all have to communicate and be honest with each other and i think that's the dialogue we have. >> it's joe manchin ian world. the rest of us are grateful we're allowed to live in it. the president's economic agenda hinges largely on support from the senator from west virginia. on his thinking right now hans nichols of axios reports, quote, manchin is telling colleagues that progressives need to pick one of president biden's three signature policies for helping working families and discard the oh two by forcing progressives to choose among an expanded child tax credit, paid family medical leave or subsidies for child care. manchin is complicating any potential deal by also signaling
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his willingness to negotiate. back with us tonight two friends of this broadcast. james carville, veteran democratic strategist who rose to fame with the clinton presidential campaign. mark mckinnon former adviser to george w. bush and john mccain. also among the cohosts of the circus sunday evenings on showtime. welcome to you both. james, i really want to hear you out. let me proffer two things. only democrats are to blame right now for joe biden's agenda being frozen solid. the blame goes no further than the democratic party. democrats are also watching right now as donald trump like a mob boss tells the former guys not to rat. so what is the solution do you? what would your advice to your party be?
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>> first thing on the first question, okay? we have 50 vote just we have to get all 50 and then the vice president. that's the world we live in. senator manchin is a democrat that gets elected in west virginia. there's not many of those. he's been set pretty much up front he is willing to negotiate. i think they'll end up with something. it is not to watch sausage being made. you stop and give it time and come up with something. i'm fairly confident of that. he represents the different constituency. comes from a different place than a lot of people in the democratic caucus and not going to do any good attacking him or anything like that. i think president biden indicated they're talking. he's open to negotiating. maybe 1.8. they have a way to resolve
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themselves but it takes time. it takes time it really does. >> james, any criticism for the left? >> well, you know, just understand 50. just understand the concept of 50. all right? you got to get everybody in the concept of a full vote majority. i don't want to be criticizing anybody because one day everybody will go to sleep, progressive or moderate or this and wake up americans and i think that will happen. and everybody's going to go there and say, okay, what can i do to add vansz this? because we are ready to have an explosive economic recovery here. the covid numbers are starting to look pretty good. and if the democrats and trump's in legal trouble. don't kid yourself. he is in profound legal trouble. if the democrats show some motion and momentum here they're not doomed to have a bad 2022
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but they got to get in with what could be a very -- term here in the united states. very possible. not saying it will happen. but none of these things are farfetched at all. >> all right. mark, i got one for you. join us in watching ted cruz on the senate floor on the subject of the debt limit. >> in the game of chicken, chuck schumer won this game of chicken. two trucks drove towards each other on a country road one or the other was going to turn or you were going to have a lot of dead chickens. i wish republicans hadn't have blinked we shouldn't have done that. >> so mark, other than the new nihilism which taken at face value means he is -- would have been triggered for a recession,
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what is going on there? >> playing the politics of the moment and so hypocritical because not only did the republicans vote to increase the debt limit in the trump president su but what is voting now is to pay off the trump debt so this is republican debt that the democrats are responsibly voting to pay off and ted cruz is playing to the cameras for the political moment but the reality is at the end of the day tilting into an economic crisis that would be on the republicans so the game of chicken may be an apt metaphor but if it's the republicans that will get run over by the chuck unless they start to act more spoerm for the debt they create with the huge tax cut for country for higher income earners. listen. it is pure political theater but ted cruz is pretty good at that. >> yeah. he is pretty good at that.
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who won the election in arizona? donald trump? >> we doan know. because as the audit demonstrates clearly, mr. raskin, there are a lot of
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issues with this election that took place. we'll go through those today but you can -- >> i'll reclaim my time. >> as long as you want. >> that was republican arizona congressman andy biggs today still refusing to say out loud what we all know to be fact. joe biden won the 2020 election in arizona. joe biden is indeed the president of the united states. still with us james carville and mark mckinnon. mark, what would it cost republicans to say that joe biden won the election fair and square in 2020? >> that's what's just so amaze jeff gordon the purity test that trump is rolling out is even in the face of obvious facts, republicans got a bunch of conspiracy theorists to run an audit and even they couldn't find -- they discovered that joe biden won more votes not less
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than donald trump after they controlled and pad for the audit themselves. controlled by trump and found more votes for biden and testifies to just how much of a stranglehold donald trump has. the greatest fraud is a notion of election fraud. almost a year. millions of dollars spent. hundreds of lawsuits and yet to come up with literally a single example of voter fraud on the democratic side. dan patrick of texas offered a million dollars for any example of voter fraud. texas's attorney general spent 22 man hours to find fraud and found six bad addresses which figure that out. it's 300 hours per address if -- 1300 hours per address. so by the way it is getting worse. after the arizona aud yit, i spent a week in texas. trump is giving greg abbott hell they don't do an audit in texas and somebody should remind the president he won texas and won
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it big! >> so james, to take mark's argument and turn it upside down if you wanted to fuss up the results of the 2020 midterms and the 2024 presidential in advance, you would launch a nationwide campaign to fuzz up confidence in the electoral system. >> crooked election. so some people say, republicans didn't show up so look. it's 30% of the people in the country that don't believe in evolution. we have geology departments and medical schools. these people that believe this are just chronically stupid and have to move on. paul gosar's relatives came paned against him. we got to get going and to
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president and son to manchin and the -- everybody else to hammer out a deal and get the country rolling. we have good things ready to happen and get's get in the groove and we'll see but this is insane. how many times have you got to tell people the earth is round? it just is. if you don't believe it, okay, fine. they don't need an argument anymore. it is a waste of time and breath. >> james, how much patience do you have left? how soon do they have to get at it? >> i don't know. everybody puts a deadline up there. quit talking about deadline and numbers and talk about how this will affect people and what these republicans do on debt ceiling is first of all anti-constitutional and horribly unpatriotic. that plan matches at a very difficult time when they're talking about doing away with
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military people, social security, medicare. a worldwide recession. a depression and this is what ted cruz is talking about? my god. people at least rallied together. not tried to hurt the country. i don't even get it. it's utterly absurd. so obsessed with power and politics they don't care about the country anymore. i think senator manchin is watching and i don't think he's impressed by it. i don't think he believes in defaulting on the debt. >> no other broadcast to our knowledge offers a segment with only men in hats. james carville, mark mckinnon, thank you. have a good rest of the evening. coming up, the other threat alaska health care workers are facing after caring for covid
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as little as $0 at while new infections and hospitalizations are falling nationwide, some parts of our country are still experiencing overwhelming outbreaks. some places the death toll is on the rise. some hospitals in alaska having to ration the health care and already stressed workers are also having to battle pandemic politics. and tonight we get our report from nbc news correspondent ellison barber who has been covering the surge in alaska. >> reporter: alaska is isolated. it is beautiful. but none of that means it is immune to covid-19 or the tension that so often surrounds it. in anchorage with the biggest hospitals in alaska they're
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berated. physically assaulted just for doing their jobs and they say a lot of the hostility, the aggression they see it is rooted in misinformation, disinformation and politics. listen. >> i got assaulted when i swabbed somebody for covid who was on did verge of dying from covid. she didn't believe she had it and she struck me and another nurse after we swabbed her. >> sometimes i go to work i feel okay when i go home. other times i can't stop thinking about what i had to deal with. >> those comments and on scene gestures and threats sticks with us more than the lives we save. and that's one of the reasons why a lot of folks in the e.r. and icu quit. >> we need you to calm down and maybe step back and really re-evaluate where this anger is coming from. >> reporter: contentious
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meetings has shown a light on the behavior? they said this is not something that's just now happening but has been building for month just the big picture question is how will this impact their industry moving forward? they're already dealing with an unprecedented health crisis. add in assault and some people are walking away from the profession. we have a nationwide nursing shortage. it's difficult to recruit to alaska and some worry all of this will make people think twice about entering the health care profession. brian? >> what a situation there. ellison barber from alaska for us tonight with our thanks. for more on what we heard we welcome back dr. gupta, poll mo
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pulmonologist. doctor, your reaction to that report we just saw? >> good evening, brian. it's sobering to hear that. i have heard that from colleagues not here in the united states but other parts of the world. i haven't experienced myself but i'll reference an experience here a few days ago but health care wokker shortage as was emphasized in that package is the existential crisis of our time. the reason that we have hospital surges is not because we don't have ventilators or beds. i had a patient transfer to me two nights ago in the icu from a hospital in eastern washington near the pacific ocean because that person no longer had access to a respiratory therapist. we move people to have access
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i think we can agree getting a safe and effective vaccine for kids 5 to 10 is an important next step. if there's approval or authorization and cdc recommendation we are ready. we have the supply. >> do you think this could begin before thanksgiving? >> again up to the fda and cdc scientific processes but yes it could. >> so white house covid response coordinator there with some welcome news for a lot of parents.
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remaining with us is dr. gupta. doesn't mean that parents are without obstacles. i want to play a clip for you and our audience from california. these are parents walking the children to school. >> this is rape why they're trying to rape our children with this poison. >> he's going to traumatized with the mask on. you -- >> that's my choice. that's my choice zblchl you better respect my choice! >> no, no. you're propagandized. >> masking child is child abuse. >> it is. >> you masting your child you're a child abuser. >> what a country we live in, doctor. what a great job the anti-vaxxers have done getting the mess and out. that's the situation in beverley hills. for the parents brave enough to go ahead and vaccinate their children, what assurances have you for the audience that they're making a safe choice?
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>> the reason this is taking a longer time is because pfizer, moderna, all the companies in the united states have double clicked on the specific issue. safety. what's the right dose? what we are seeing is that in 16 to 29-year-olds, slightly older group than the 5 to 11 age group we are talking about here there's a high risk of very mild myocarditis so what we don't want to do is pose younger kids unnecessary risk because it is less likely for them to be in the hospital. that's why it's taken longer to make sure that we study this for safety, for effectiveness and why other countries across the world have said you know what? instead of two doses maybe one-dose option. there are discussions to have with the fda who's going to lead it to demonstrate if it two doses at a lower dose spread
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three weeks apart? maybe one december is enough. these are the essential questions in the next weeks. that's why every parent should feel rest assured that safety is top of mind and effectiveness and what will end up being recommended is what's most safe for children less than 12. one dose or maybe two doses with a diminished concentration. >> what do we need to know about the coming flu season? >> i'll say as a pulmonologist we are worried about the twin-demic as we call it. being most vulnerable to flu. this year maybe it comes back with a vengeance and important for everybody in the audience to get the flu shot. now is the perfect time to get the flu shot because if two weeks with the flu shot tomorrow and then in two weeks protected through march which is the perfect window.
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carlson appears on fox news and distributes bogus information and science to hundreds of thousands of households across america. tucker carlson is the biggest anti-vax quack in america. >> that's kind of the definition of good news/bad news isn't it? on the upside you hear your name read aloud in the u.s. senate. such an honor unless your name is tuck ircarlson. fox news in the news today because it's the 25th anniversary. more and more of the network is publicly shamed for the role in giving oxygen and attention and credibility to the anti-vax movement and generally casting doubt on the voon through countless guests on countless segments. an emergency room physician who's been a guest on this broadcast posted a video today calling out fox news among
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others for a scene he witnessed in his emergency room involving a very sick patient. >> just got with the e.r. and had to share again. i had a patient today specifically we were giving them dexamethasone because they had covid and hypoxic and shows outcomes in people with covid-19. and this person was adamant, pressing the nurse to make sure they weren't giving him a vaccine. that it was dexamethasone. asked her multiple times. even laying there strapped to all these tubes and lines and giving oxygen, still against the vaccine. i don't get it. i could pretend like there's something i understand about it but i don't understand. again, we got to put some blame on the people who are so steadfast against it but just the poisoning of people's minds by facebook and facebook groups,
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by fox news, republican politicians who are out there questioning vaccines, opposing mandate just we need man dates to get people vaccinated. i don't care how we do it. if you don't want to be vacced innocent don't participate in society like airplanes and buses and subways. that's how we got to get there because we won't any other way. i'm absolutely sure of it. so now we have just another day of a host of people coming in not vaccinated who now have covid and either sick enough to be hospitalized. the oxygen is low or not as sick and qualify for monoclonal antibodies won't take a fully aproofed fda amoved vaccine but take a treatment. vaccine is approved but the treatment is not. vaccine costs $40 to the u.s.
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government the monoclonal antibodies about $1200. i don't get it. it's there. frustrated. paramed eks, nurses, techs. we show up. do the jobs. we like taking people in our community just get the vaccines. get the loved ones to get vaccinated and got to get through it. >> a report from the real world tonight to take us off the air which just might be the new benchmark for true vaccine hesitancy. that's the broadcast for this thursday night. with our thanks on behalf of the colleagues at the networks of nbc news good night.
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♪♪ thanks don for joining us this. our happy to be back. this is just released today, a mom, the interview with the investigators went long. it was like a three and a half hour interview, in the end, the first one swearing however did not happen until about halfway through, this three and a half hour long interview. but this is how the swearing erupts. are you ready. here we go. >> question. it's our understanding the new year's day, acting attorney jeffrey rosen, provided a different justice department official jeffrey clark, with


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