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media by donald trump and allies. that does it for me tonight. "the reidout" with joy reid is next. howdy, joy. >> i love the jacket look. i saw mark thompson was matching your style. i don't know if you're a'90s hip-hop game or doing the news. >> it's a "squad game" reference. >> i enjoyed it. i'll try to keep you. stay there, i want you to stick around for this segment. thank you very much. he's going to be right back. jason will be right back. we begin "the reidout" tonight with one hell of a question on this friday, how dumb can a nation get and still survive? that question courtesy of our friend columnist eugene robinson is poised in today's washington post and it's a really good question at a time when we're faced with not one but two viruses coursing through this country. one of them covid is so deadly
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it can literally take your breath away and hits randomly. some suffer barely any effects, and some wind up on a ventilator or dead and the other virus is not people are acquiring from breathing in but taking in ignoant garbage on their tv or social media and that virus may make you sick from covid or ingesting horse medicine but most definitely makes you stupid and right now in america, ignorance and stupidity feel like they have taken over. stupid is on a rampage worldwide. remember brexit? the american variant turned stupid into art. albeit, low art, like the one in the mall with the dogs playing poker. i'm talking about the full embrace at every turn. you know the party that pumped itself up on the ideas of family
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values and fiscal property for mitch mcconnell and his army to play a game of chicken with the debt ceiling and nearly tanking the economy and country with it with 1 1 republicans willing to vote to let the republicans fix it. the party of owning the libs is choosing to die on the hill of dying on the hill after not protecting yourself from covid. they are the party screaming at little kids on the way to school because they're wearing masks and little kids trying to do what their parents tell them so they don't die or infect grandmas. emboldened from the dopamine of their favorite demagogues at fox news while tucker is saying get out there and fight the power for the sake of freedom while we sit back here in our studios while you suckers die. the party of don't get vaccinated during a global pandemic to own the libs has given us the rise of the killer republican governors. guys like ron desantis in
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florida and greg abbott in texas banning mask mandates and rushing regeneron popup clinics, anything but the free vaccine that definitely works. under the influence of all that ignorance, trying to reason with these people is like -- i don't know, i've seen this movie before. it's like a farce that feels more like a documentary. yeah, yeah, welcome to idoc aidocray. >> you want us to put water on the crops? >> yes. >> like out of the toilet? >> doesn't have to be from the toilet but that's the idea. >> it has electro lites. >> okay, look, the plants aren't growing so i'm pretty sure it's not working. i'm no botanist but if you put water on plants, they grow. >> i've never seen no plants grow out of no toilet. >> we didn't have to wait 500 years to get to there. we're not waiting to find how dumb we can get.
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we're in the strangle hold of republican zombies so high on their own supply, they shouted down their very own king for daring to suggest getting vaccinated might be a good idea. i mean, how is not doing the absolute least to save your own life to get a vaccine in the middle of a pandemic? it's not. in texas they're bounty hunting doctors and women for trying to exercise abortion rights, a perfectly legal medical procedure and the only organizing principle is getting their way fueled by the intellectually vacant claim of a stolen election, one they continue to push. republican elected officials like andy bigs are still out here saying we don't know who won the election in his own state. there is something wrong and fund mentally broken with the republican party, y'all. and it's quest to be the stupid party, it's making us look like the stupid country. imagine if you were an alien
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looking down at the united states now, you would not believe we're a first world country. you'd believe we're a nation in deep and advanced decline. with a far right army of the undead lighting themselves on fire and taking the rest of us with them and you know what, you might be right. joining me is jason johnson, professor of politics and journalism and host of the slate podcast award with jason johnson. charlie psychos, editor at large with the bull work and msnbc columnist and liz, comedian, co-creator of "the daily show." thank you-all for being here. i have to start with you, charlie. i'm going right down the center of my guest list on my screen. i'm sorry. i do it to you every time. this used to be your people. >> no -- >> why are they pushing -- they are pimping stupid. >> 20 years ago i wrote a book
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about dumbing down in education. all those people that have grown up and gotten into power. it is, you know, our discourse in this country is dumber, meaner, crueling but let's focus on the dumb right now. it's like we're too exhausted to even try to come up with co-her -- cohaerent arguments. part of the problem is nobody feels the need to have facts and logic or try to persuade anyone of anything so all you do is you come up with these sort of mad lib word salads or these little memes that you throw out there because apparently, that's what all the incentive structure is, right? why bother to be intelligent when you can go on fox or you can go on the internet and say the stupidest thing, you know, get people stoked up and outraged and that's where you get all the plot. it is a stupid era and i think that eugene robinson used the phrase droolingly stupid tactic
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and, you know, you can't push back on all of that. i mean, you watch how -- this might be one of the legacies of donald trump. i mean, donald trump by the way is obviously a product of a gummed down political culture. no question about that. but now he has all of us talking like we are 8-year-olds and you have politicians who talk to their electret with such condescending and contempt, they assume the voters are so stupid so you have guys from yale and harvard that are vying with one another who can come up with the dumbest possible approach and appeal. so all of this is going to get worse and all of it is going to get dumber. who said nobody ever went broke by under estimating the intel jeps of the american voter? no idea. >> no idea. >> you can imagine. >> it's so important, jason, to make the point because the people pushing the stupidest crap are ivy league educated.
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josh hawley, ted cruz, the way america likes to say intelligence works, they're intelligent but competing as charlie said to out stupid each other. no, i can debunk better than trump and be dumber than that and trying to appeal because they think the people that vote for them are stupid. >> yeah, i remember this, joy. i'm sure everybody remembers this. you remember christine 'donnell that had to do a campaign saying i'm not a witch. how dumb is this country that a woman has to say i'm not sabrina and make it a campaign commercial. it wasn't a debate. it got worse since then. it's not the condescending of educated people like ted cruz lying or brian kemp lying but they fear a smart public because they remotely intelligent public would have figured out ted cruz, you're lying and going on vacation with your family.
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look, desantis you should figure out how to put a mask on your face. they want people to be dumb because that way they won't be held accountable for the lives they're making. once we get a new president and have complete idiots here, until then, this seems to be working for a lot of republicans. >> liz, they made the guy from "the apprentice" president of the united states. let's just take that in for just five seconds. you do comedy for a living. if you wrote that people would be like get out of here liz. this is the guy that used to wear a bow tie to show off he's smart. here is tucker carlson saying here is how you should treat a child when you see them in a mask. >> as for forcing children to wear masks outside, that should be illegal. your response should be no different from your response to seeing someone beat a kid in
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walmart. call the police immediately. contact child protective services. keep calling until someone arrives. >> i promise he took the mask off so he didn't seem like too much of a smarty pants. it would be stupid if it weren't so dangerous, liz. you have the proud boys for these things. i wonder if you need private security to get kids in school because of the proud boys and the koch brothers claim putting masks on kids are causing them harm and dumbing these people down more even though they know better. it is dangerous, liz, not just stupid. >> joy, i saw a woman holding up a sign that said i will not mask my unborn child, and i'm like ma'am, you're wearing pants. you're wearing pants. so i don't even know at this point -- harvard has a lower the bar exam at this point in law school. it's all so absurd and i just try to figure out, like, i think
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it started, jason, you got a sweat pant -- when people just stopped getting dressed and wearing sweat pants in public, i'm not going to do it anymore. i'm not going to put on clothes. we started devolving when we actually just wanted to literally live and do the least and when i look at these people, i'm like you're so mad that someone is actually requiring something of you to be part of a community. don't live -- go live in a weird ted kaczynski hut if you don't want to live among us. >> i miss you. the serious side of this is that in texas they looked at the hand mads tale and saw a life plan instead of distopia so now you can put a cash bounty on a woman
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because she's pregnant. you have an organization trying to fight to preserve the rights. we're at a point now the supreme court who are supposedly the big intellectuals, they could wipe away a woman's right to choose just like that this year. >> yeah, and, you know, there was a stay put on it yesterday and texas just filed an emergency injunction right now by the time this show is over, the law could be in place. i think what a lot of folks don't know is that there was a cause in this law that said if it goes on stay and you perform care, you perform abortions, if that law goes back into play, you could be prosecuted for actually performing procedures during the time they made it legal again. it's so wild. all of this is based on as we have seen -- as we have seen conspiracy theories happen, there are abortion conspiracy theories, also. you see this judge laid out brilliantly in this case, there is no such thing as a heart
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beat. there is cardiac movement. there was an op ed they talked about a jaw being formed at six weeks. i'm like maybe if you're jay leno but no, that's not real. people keep saying things that aren't true and basing laws and facts on them and when it comes to abortion, it's been happening for ten years and sadly, we haven't been paying enough attention to it. texas didn't happen in a vacuum and there is a million states happening -- doing stuff that's equally as bizarre right now as we talk about it. >> charlie, i have to come back to you on this. you and i both were in the talk radio business and we know part of the vibe is just to say whatever, to keep people amped up, keep people on ten and unfortunately, that form of entertainment has seeped into the information space where people think they're getting the news. i mean, i have met people that used to believe the late rush limbaugh was delivering the news that the rest of you sheep are getting and that they're getting
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secret, special news. isn't that part of the problem that people have come to believe that what you see on entertainment is actually information that they ought to use to live their lives. >> no, that's exactly right. you know, it didn't have to be this way. i mean, you could have actually -- these shows could have dealt with ideas and maybe in the early days they did but no, rush limbaugh's career is a perfect example of it. he was always an entertainer. at the end it was just basically stoking up the anger and outrage and the reality is in order to understand donald trump and the era of the living, donald trump really is the first long time listener first time caller president of the united states. he gets his clues from talk radio and not just any talk radio, but if you find all most the lowest common denominator
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and listen long enough, you can predict what donald trump will say the next week or week after all of that. >> correct. >> that has changed our discourse. this is the tramp of the entertainment wing of the republican party. >> that's right. >> the leadership of the republican party is not in washington d.c. it's the entertainment wing that decided it will continue to go for the lowest common denominator. >> right. >> jason -- go on, very quick, liz. >> i was going to say, charlie to your point people ask me constantly why isn't there more conservative comedians? why are they liberal? conservatives have a problem with any kind of humor and when they do it badly, the world burns. >> yeah, yeah. last word to you, jason, you can't avoid the fact a lot of the anger used to stoke, they're using it to freak people out and not inform them. >> yeah, yeah, it's all about this is a scary world of brown people and tan people and that's not just from entertainers. that's from people who are news
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people who vacillate between being entertainers and saying they are commentators and providing news. it fascinating you play that clip with tucker saying this is what you should do with people mistreating people. call child services. does he do that when he hangs up with matt gaetz? i doubt it. they are dumbing down the audiences knowing full well not only will they not be held accountable but also if they're ever called into question, go back to saying it's entertainment -- >> it's the brown people and the tan people. we have to stop them, too. >> absolutely. he's -- protective services and if he's out with mr. gaetz and there are teenagers around, he should. appreciate you-all. have a greed weekend. up next, request denied. president biden rejects the claim of executive privilege as the hinchmen learn they will not get away with the january 6th
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they tried it. the florida retiree and some of his closest aides try to stay magaly strong relying on the disgraced ex president's claim of executive privilege, however, they just found out how executive privilege actually works. it belongs to the office of the presidency, not to the individual and by that i mean the current president.
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so today the actual current president informed hi predecessor those will be denied. these are consequences congress is an examining assault on the constitution provoked and fanned by those sworn to protect them. the constitutional protections should not be used to shield from congress or the public. information that reflects a clear and apparent effort to subvert the contusion itself. the select committee announced trump's former chief of staff and dod official cash patel are engaging with the comity. for others like steve bannon who will defy the subpoena and chief of staff dan ska vino says we will not allow any witness to attempt to run up the clock and swiftly consider advancing a criminal contempt of congress referral. with me now is david jolly who is no longer affiliated with the party and ellie, justice correspondent.
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ellie, i'll start with you. so donald trump sends a letter to the national archives claiming that he was going to request executive privilege. he argued some of the records contain information subject to executive privilege including communications, et cetera. steve bannon said he's not going to compile. here is what he said. we will compile with the directions of the courts when and if they rule on the claims since the privileges, this is important, belong to mr. trump, and not mr. bannon. here is what steve bannon was doing on january 6th. let's show a picture. this is what steve bannon is up to. there he is. not in the white house. not working for the president. not in an official capacity, doing his radio show.
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he's not subject. the executive privilege does not apply to him in any way, right? >> i can't emphasize how stupid steve bannon's arguments are. they carry no legal water. he wasn't even working for the white house within years of the time where the documents are requested. it's like -- it's like if a kid comes up -- if a kid in a mask comes up to your house and says trick-or-treat in june he's not looking for candy. he's looking to rob you. like -- and that is what steve bannon's argument is. he's saying trick-or-treat in june, he's looking to rob people but here is the thing, and you were right. you read the line from the select committee. we'll swiftly move to stop. sweptly would have been at 12:01 because that's when steve bannon was in defiance of a congressional subpoena. swiftly would be recommend for contempt at 12:01 and have that sent to the full house this
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afternoon and have that at the justice department tonight so that merrick garland and merrick garland can do his thing and force him to compile with subpoena. that would be swift. this is not swift. >> i mean, the thing is, the impunity creates outcomes, david. donald trump's aides defied subpoenas that just willy-nilly. they pretended it month nothing. now trump is not president. the person who actually has jurisdiction over whether or not executive privilege will be used, that is the current president said no thank you. we're not getting that. there is no claim valid. we can show it again. steve bannon is a radio host. there is no way on earth any court that is rational unless, you know, donald trump himself is the judge is going to support -- this is a done deal. but not prosecuting and not
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giving steve bannon any consequences before is why he's grifting, claiming trump is coming back in 2022 instead of preparing to go to jail. in your view, do you think democrats made a mistake or the justice department i should say made a mistake in not being swifter and tougher on these people because they just -- they don't believe the law applies to them? >> yeah, joy, i don't think congress does oversight well. that's true of the democratic majority and former republican majority. anybody that's in session part time and while their there spending more time raising money than in committee hearings does not do over sight well. so we have to, you know, modulate our expectations. i agree on the merits with ellie and your premise but expect this to go to court. i expect this to be litigated. i expect donald trump to draft a petition for an emergency injunction. i think there are novel questions here ultimately i
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think trump and his minions will end up on the wrong side of decisions. here is what jumps out of the me, joy, that is very, very telling. ellie is right. bannon hadn't worked for trump for years so why would he suggest there is a privilege for that could only relate to communications between donald trump and steve bannon that he'll let the president assert privilege i think is because steve bannon has information related to the behavior and activities and communications of donald trump as it relates to january 6th. >> i do, too. ellie, i do not want to modulate my expectations. we're in the midst of a crisis of democracy. they're planning these fake audits in multiple other states. republicans are not even hiding the fact that they are already trying to set up to steal the next presidential election by putting their minions all throughout the government from bottom to top. my question is and i know it's something you talk about and
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tweet about a lot. what should we be expecting the justice department to do? david is right. congress ain't good at this oversight. what should the justice department be doing? >> they need to start putting people in jail. they need to bring charges and put people in jail and the specific issue of the subpoenas that, the way the criminal contempt work has to go to the full house first so at this point literally the house is the problem right now today, but as i think we all know, once it gets to merrick garland, he can put steve bannon in jail like that but nobody thinks it will. we all think all merrick garland will do is write a letter -- he's merrick garland is not using the full powers of law enforcement to hold these people to account. what can he do? charge people. charge people with obstruction of justice as, you know, yesterday's story about trump calling the justice department
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nine times to try to overturn the election. charge him with obstruction of justice. if you don't like that story, there was a whole mueller report where ten issues of obstruction of justice were laid out. charge him for those. there is just so many different ways that the current justice department could be holding these people to account and merritt garland is not doing it and instead, he's doing things like taking up betsey devoss's appeal as she tries to continue to get away with her loan manipulation scheme. like garland right now is not rising to meet the moment that our constitutional crisis requires. >> and last word to you on this, david. i worry about that, too. that garland is trying to be the kind institutionalists and our democracy is slipping away under his nose. >> i'll yield my time to elliott to keep going because i couldn't agree more. to add one final context to
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this, democrats, the democratic administration and in the house have to realize this is unfortunately on them though it shouldn't have to be. we saw during both impeachment trials that republicans are not willing to accept the frame work of law and order that the constitution puts in front of them and responsibility of accountability on senators regardless of party. republicans will not do this which means this is the moment that democrats have to rise to the occasion. >> amen. david jolly, ellie, thank you both very much. have a great weekend. up next on "the reidout" anita hill joins me on her book and her place in history. stay with us. k and her place in history stay with us ♪darling, i, i can't get enough of your love babe♪ ♪girl, i don't know, i don't know,♪ ♪i don't know why i can't get enough of your love babe♪ ♪oh no, babe girl, if i could only make you see♪
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harassment in work places and sexual assault. 30 years later, clearance thomas still sits on the high court and joined by justice brett kavanaugh accused of sexual assault by christine blasey ford and our twice impeached disgraced former president who even after the "access hollywood" tape surfaced allowing voters to hear him boasting about grabbing women's private parts and claims of sexual harassment and sexual assault for at least 20 charges he denied was elected president despite 74 million americans backing him in 2020. how much is really changed? and her new book believing our 30-year journey to end gender violence, anita hill takes on the slow pace of change and what needs to be done for real systemic change to address gender based violence as a problem that hurts everyone.
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anita hill for women's gender and sexuality studies joins me now. professor hill, great to talk with you. thank you so much for being here this evening. >> wonderful to be on your show, joy. >> thank you. let's just get right to the main question. you know, i think for a lot of us who are young women at the time that we saw you go through what you did with now justice thomas, to see it happen all over again in the kavanaugh no, ma'am -- nomination and attacked by people that wanted kavanaugh in the court and the death threats she got, et cetera. it feels like the only progress is that the judiciary committee was not all white and all male. very little else changed. three people who were on the committee that approved thomas also voted for kavanaugh, what
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has changed in your view? >> well, there has been greater awareness of the problem of sexual harassment and all gender violence over the past 30 years and, you know, that is tremendous. we shouldn't overlook that. however, when we witness the kavanaugh hearings, you are correct, it was just like nothing ever happened. and i think what we can take away from that is that in fact, when the process that we go into as victims and as survivors of gender violence, when the processes don't change, then the outcomes and the public reaction doesn't change and so we got to work on changing our processes. it's as simple as that. >> yeah, i mean, if we put back up the list of people on the judiciary committee at the time that clearance thomas was approved, you can see at the top of the list is a guy named joe biden then a senator from
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delaware and chairman of the committee. he's now president of the united states. he of course wrote the violence against women act and responsible for that being passed and fought for that act. have you had and had the opportunity to have conversations with the president either before he was elected for president or since about this very issue, about what can be done to make things actually begin to change? and if you have, can you tell us what he had to say? >> yes, well i had a brief conversation with him before he announced his presidency or run for the presidency. and he did apologize for the way he managed the hearing in 1991. what i need to hear now and i think what the american public needs to hear given his role in '91, even given his role with the violence against women act and the efforts on college campuses to stop sexual assault, all of those put him in the
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position to be a leader for change, to be a leader that acknowledges the enormity of that problem and mapping it out and the pervasiveness of it throughout the institutions. given the reality of today, it's no longer acceptable just to apologize for the past what we need to be doing is looking to the future and acknowledging the problem and putting together an agenda to eliminate it. >> what i think is distressing, i guess, particularly since we had a me too movement that felt like it was going to add to the changes that came that really were launched in many ways by your testimony and your bravery at that time, you've had me too but then you've also elected a president like donald trump and somebody who is on tape said he had the right because of being a celebrity to grab women by their
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genitals and said he's fine to be president. we have multiple candidates for governor and senator. we had all of these people who you look at their history and think some of the things that they've done when it comes to women or alleged to have done would be prohibited for them gaining power but it feels like men like that are getting more power. does that concern you? >> well, what we do know is that, and i again, talk about this in my book that there is denial of the problem. even after the 19 million tweets of the me too movement, there still remains a culture of denial and dismissiveness and it begins when we tell children, girls, small little girls that the abuse that they're experiencing from a classmate or somebody else, sometimes even an
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older child or adult, when we tell them that it's not so bad or we explain to them well, you know, that's just boys being boys, what we're doing is accepting violence. we're accepting the precursors to violence and we're telling girls that they should accept it, too and not complain. so we've got a cultural denial and dismissiveness of the problem and it does even spread to adults who will accept an explanation from someone like a governor cuomo who says well, you know, that's just what i do. you know instead of really understanding or acknowledging what it is, the behavior that's unacceptable. >> or sage steel saying that to other women. shocking to hear coming from a woman. i want to thank you for being here. i hope everyone will read your back. you're one of the voices who for me as a young woman was a voice of bravery and standing up for
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deportation back to haiti is not the answer right now. i am not saying that intending my illegal status shouldn't be deported but haiti is too dangerous. deportation in the short term is not going to make haiti more stable. in fact, it going to make it worse. >> that was former special envoy to haiti daniel foot who resigned last month because of
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how the biden administration was treating haitian migrants. the u.s. used a trump era law to deport haitians after a surge at the border denying asylum pleas due at the pandemic but the situation in haiti that had a presidential aassassination and earthquake. >> reporter: across haiti's capital city a landscape of despair. >> we're on our way to the devastated area by the recent earthquake. we'll board an airplane that is doing food and cash distributions. this is it. we flew with the organization's country director in haiti. when we arrived, we drove towards a remote commune, an area that faced extreme poverty before the quake due to a lack of jobs in the area. >> you have it among vulnerable people and you need to properly
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identify who they are. >> reporter: they might be starving literally. >> exactly. >> reporter: this is one of the food distribution sites. he's leading us into it now. we met several women waiting in line including this single mom of four kids. can you tell me what life is like here? >> translator: this is not a great place. >> reporter: do you conon that left or leaving haiti? >>. >> translator: yes, there are a lot of people leaving. >> reporter: hunk erhunger isn' only life threatening situation. >> it is like a war zone. you don't go there. >> reporter: it's a war zone? >> it's a war zone. >> reporter: we flew to port-au-prince on a chopper used to avoid violence in addition to delivering aid. on the city's streets you understand why. much of the city is controlled by violent gangs. we're heading to a clinic run by doctors without borders and they're seeing an uptick in violence. half of the patients who arrive here have life threatening gunshot wounds often from high
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power firearms. the patient in this bed right now is a victim of gun violence. haitian trama surgeon tends to the neediest patients. how many of the people that you meet as patients do you think would consider leaving haiti for another country including the united states? >> maybe 90%. >> reporter: 90%? why so high? >> violence. poverty. >> reporter: those are the patients you treat every day, victims of gun violence? stabbings? car accidents because you have to move from one place to another due to violence in the community and even you as a doctor, say it fair to say you might think about one day leaving haiti because of the situation here? >> yes, i do because at the end i got dreams, too. i want a better life. i don't need to be rich. i don't need that but i need to have enough to feed my family. >> reporter: there is enormous pressure for you, as well?
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>> yeah. >> joining me now is nbc news correspondent jacob. thank you for doing that report and going to haiti. the simple question, from what you saw of the country and flying and being and being in different parts of it, is haiti somewhere where it seems to you it makes sense to be deporting people right now? >> i think anybody who sees it, joy, can see that this is a country in multiple crises. you heard it from the former special envoy himself. nobody told this man who was supposed to be our government's representative in haiti about these deportations. they have a crises of extreme poverty and hunger, a crises of gang violence that is so prevalent throughout the country these aid organizations can't even drive on the roads any longer. on top of that, political instability with the assassination of the president and natural disasters. it's a place people are fleeing, not a place people want to go
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back to. >> haiti has been so undermined since it freed itself from french slavery and colonialism. it's never really had a chance, you know, to get off the ground as a country. the administration has said they want haiti-based solutions to what's happening there. did you see any evidence that this is a country that can create these solutions without massive assistance from overseas? >> well, that doctor himself is a haiti-based solution and he wants to leave the country. this is a man who's treating people, victims of gun violence, multiple victims of gun violence every single day. he said to me directly, this is an essential worker if there ever was one, he wants to leave the country. so nobody ever wants to leave their home country if they have the opportunity. but whether it was the woman in the area that was hit by the earthquake or this doctor, this doctors without borders doctor in port-au-prince on the outskirts, they don't see any
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option to stay. leaving is their only hope. >> more than 20,000 haitians right now are in northern colombia, thousands more are in panama. these are people in some cases have been there for years, maybe ten years. they haven't been to haiti. what do they find when they go home? >> devastation. on top of that, i think so much of the conversation has been about haitian migrant staging in south america on the way to the united states. but haitians in haiti want to leave. the u.s. coast guard has picked up three times as many haitians leaving by sea this year over last year and just hundreds in the last couple of weeks. 199 on the thursday that i was in haiti. there are people on their way out right now. i think that's getting lost in this conversation. it's not just people who have left ten years ago, it's people leaving today. >> absolutely. it is a crisis that needs to be addressed and not by deporting people to there. jacob soboroff, thank you so much. have a great weekend. don't go anywhere, anyone.
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there is perhaps no state that better demonstrates the promise of our democracy as well as its demise than georgia. it's the state that turned blue for biden but then reacted to that decision bypassing a jim crow voter suppression bill that stacks the deck in the gop's favor. none of that's surprising. look who's running the place, brian kemp, the o.g. vote suppresser who signed the bill in front of a painting of a plantation where black people were enslaved. we have marjorie three names who spends her time screaming at democrats while on the taxpayer clock. then we have the cast of characters who may be in charge one day, like former nfl star herschel walker, running for u.s. senate.
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a trump devotee whose ex said he threatened to shoot her in the head. and then there's vernon jones. he used to be a democrat, only to announce that he was joining the republican party at the rally before the insurrection, moments before all the noose hanging, poop smearing and deadly anti-democratic violence popped off at our capitol. but the strange saga doesn't end there, no. no. back in 2010 when jones was the first black ceo of dekalb county, a jury ordered buckets of cash to white plaintiffs who said they were victims of reverse racism. yesterday jones joined stu peters, a right-wing podcaster for a little chitchat that was supposed to be about his campaign. let's just say things went a little off the rails. >> you're accusing them of lying -- >> fake news. if you want to talk about -- >> you're accusing them of lying and you're accusing me of being
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foolish. if there was shocking evidence of an overt and unabashed pattern of discrimination in your administration -- >> yes, absolutely he did. that's what bullies do. they gaslight, shout you down. so if court rulings are anything to go by, we can now clearly say vernon jones doesn't care much for white men. >> okay, stu. but are you surprised, vernon? are you really, really surprised? it just goes to show you that you can kiss the dear leader's ring. you can call the democrats demons and crowd surf during covid. but in the end, the party that legit fears that they are getting replaced and eradicated by people who look like you, vernon, will never embrace you. especially if you've been accused of the ole reverse discrimination against white people. jones isn't the only one. we have diamond and silk and
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candice owens and jason whitlock who went on tuckums show to say that president obama rejects the white side of his family, even though obama called his white mother the single most important thing in his life. black conservatives who have to beclown themself at the jim crow table are tonight's absolute worst. "all in with chris hayes" starts now. tonight on "all in, " 25 years of division and anger. >> why can't he produce a birth certificate? >> deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture. >> the strategy is to change the demographics of the country. >> i'm more angry about it than you are. >> tonight the undeniable evidence that fox news is the real source of america's rising rage. >> you think we're bad for america? do you think i'm bad for america? >> yeah. >> and what we know abo

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