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customers and having these customers not going to to these restaurants but going on and writing terrible reviews is really hurting. restaurants really struggling to get back on their feet. viewers if you can write good reviews to restaurants that you attend. just do. >> alayna trene, thank you so much for all of that. >> "morning joe" starts right now. >> biden was asked about a short term deal to obvert economics, in response he crossed his finger, although i thought he was going for a different hand
gesture. >> it encapsulates every response is hoping for the best. >> good morning, welcome to "morning joe." with us, we have our white house reporter for the associated press, jonathan lemire and willie. you know what's going to happen if i try to start during the news. i am going to start doing the news. >> willie, you got to look at that game last night.classic. san francisco won the los angeles dodgers. zero. this thing is turning into what we expected to be all along. >> a pitchers duo in l.a. i have to confess, i told john i woke up this morning and checked the espn app and saw the red sox and start calling in with a close contact from something from keeping me being on the
show today about the red sox. the big money red sox for the last two decades, the dynasty in baseball and all the bounces they want. >> i think i can, i think i can. >> in 2004 giving you the sympathy title. >> well, that's really kind of you. you got hernandez whoever other team pass by were moderate size deals. in baseball a moderate size deal. he turns out to -- doing extraordinary well. you can look at this team ofover
achievers. looks like they were in full collapse. the yankees swept them. the orioles took two out of three. now the yankees and the mighty rays who i don't think any of us would have a shot. >> both times teams coming off last place finish and spinning offseasons and taking modest moves. 2013, that title came on the wake of the terrible attack on race day and yesterday, the rescheduled boston marathon due to the pandemic, a crowd friends of mine were there who says it was the loudest more than
anything and just amp up and celebrating the under dog team, willie. and they did, the final sunday on the regular season, they're down 5-1 in late innings, the nats. instead, they do come back and beat the yankees. it's 100 wins rays team. that was really sweet last night. >> it was a great rays team. speaking of the blue jays, i think all of us glad didn't have to face them. you look at four teams in the american league east, it's going to be a hell of a run. speaking of over achievers, look at what happened in atlanta. i don't think anybody expected them to do as well as the
brewers. these braves are 2-1. >> yeah, they lost their best player, they're playing without him for most of the season and staying on top of that nl east which it was not stellar but they did enough to win the division. they're on the brink of moving to the west. they are a fun team to watch. i have to give a shout-out to swanson. he hits the ball. they got fun players on that team. >> looks great >> jonathan, does anybody have more of a vandy name? peterson unless you are watching baseball all day yesterday. peterson when he hits his home run was using anthony rizzo's
bat. >> braves fans are trying to get going here. i want to go back to that dodgers/giants game. it seems at the end of the game, the dodgers had a chance. it was one of the windiest days in l.a., the dodgers died staying in the park. the dodgers, defending champs, the best team in baseball despite having to finish a game behind san francisco in the nl west. just a wide open and different fields to the playoffs this year and it will be a lot of fun. today, astros and red sox, rescheduled game four in chicago, one win away from a red
sox/astros nlcs. >> thank you so much. it makes me feel so good that you now are starting to feel the magic of the boston fans there. >> i am rooting for the red sox against the astros because i could you? >> and no doubt, it's like i said before, i would cheer for the yankees against the astros. the last time i cheered for the yankees was when i was cheering for them despite osama bin laden and not comparing my dear friend from houston. i am not comparing the astros to
that organization. i am just saying that's the last time i cheered for the new york yankees in 2001. >> lemire was cheering for the d-backs. >> there are only two people in america were cheering against the yankees a month after the 9/11 attacks. lemire was one of them. he went into a new york bar and screamed jeter sucks after it was all over as if new yorkers needed to hear that time and the other was my father who was cheering for the diamondbacks and i turned to my dad, did you cheer the yankees? no, dad, you hate america. >> president bush says you are either with us or against us at that time. jonathan lemire was against us. >> on the right side of history, i stand there. >> you are still on the wrong side of history.
should not have cheered for the yankees while ground zero was moldering. >> you have a special kind of hatred. joe, if this continues i am going to let you go. >> what are you going to do? >> i am going to let you go to the game. i am exhausted. >> two times. >> just go. >> someone take him to a game. >> jack and i staying up watching all the games. >> i am sleeping. i am tired. >> we watch "wheel fortune" from 6:00 to 6:30. we get our warm milk and crackers and at 7:00, we are usually asleep by the first commercial break. now, mika is hearing me -- >> they're over 16. >> yes. >> everyone knows it's not like that. >> just go!
go to a game. >> still got it. >> come on, seriously? all right, let's get to the news. >> let's go from baseball to music. so the new yorker, our good friend written a great piece on paul mccartney, he had a couple of big things coming up this fall. one is the release, we release peter jackson. i think it's called "get back now," which the first version of "let it be," so gloomy that somebody was obsessed with the beatles. the next thing mccartney has a book. he's got a book of his lyrics
that he teamed up with a poet and they go through all his songs he written alphabetically. somebody who read just about everything that could read on the beatles. it's disturbing to me because there is nothing about these four guys and their music i didn't know. >>. >> it's amazing. >> if you love the beatles or paul mccartney, make sure to pick up a new yorker on your phone or the newsstand to read that. now to the news, we are learning new details of what was happening behind the scenes in the white house on january 6th. betrayal, abc news chief washington, jonathan carl, describes how president trump remained out of site watching tv in the white house's private dining room while
insurrectionists stormed the u.s. capitol. carl reports, kevin mccarthy called trump asking him to tell the rioters leave. there were shots fired right off the house floor, you need to make this stop. according to carl's sources -- >> can we say right here. >> the former president liked what he saw and boasted o f the size of the crowd and argued with aides. trump finally after two hours after the riot started posting oo video on twitter asking h his supporters to go home but also praising them according to carl and aides who were there during the recording of the video.
the message had to be taped several times and in earlier videos, john neglected to tell his supporters to leave. >> donald trump was mesmerizing and cheering on those people using american flags and cramming cops' heads into doors and beating several of them, inches of their lives and begging for their lives saying they had children, rubbing and smearing all over the united states capitol and the people's house. while they were chanting "hang mike pence" and after knowing mike pence was chased from the chamber was tweeting out that
mike pence was betraying him and the country. this is exactly by the way what jonathan carl was writing about and what we read other accounts of, ben sass is saying trump is watching tv and loved every second of this. this is what republicans don't want americans to see. if there is a conspiracy of sigh silence that they created around january 6th is all to protect donald trump and their brand for the heinous reactions this man had to a crowdover taking the capitol and committing sedition to try to stop the process to count the electoral votes. >> he would brag to guests about his super tevo device where he would catch up on that morning's show or sometimes hours later
watching the same television shows two or three times. it was there where he was that day watching a live footage of january 6th. let's remember the white house is pretty emptied out at that point. we still have a pandemic raging there. staffing levels were down because of the virus but also simply departures. the election is two months prior and people had started to police chief, joe biden is to be inaugurated. there were few people there who could talk to the president. phone calls like people like leader mccarthy urged him to do something and he didn't. he was trans fixed by the images and he would ignore phone calls. when mccarthy called to say you got to call these people off. trump's response was maybe they care more about the election than you do. it took several tries before they finally convinced him to do
the video. the videos took several takes. that's sort of the tenor that remains that day and the president became more evident just how bad things had been that day. he was on the phone with allies thinking the election to be overturned and he was heartened by the likes of josh hawley and ted cruz after the insurrection in the middle of the night still voting to challenge the state's responses with unsubstantiated of allegations of fraud. >> joe, what's fascinating is you look back at that time around january 6th, all republicans condemned the president or kevin mccarthy's case encouraging him to call off the dogs is the extent of which nine months later, all of them
abandoned their positions to say mike pence coming out to say which is another day of january. he was the one on that day prevented the overturning of the election. if it's kevin mccarthy, his spokesperson says fine, joe biden won the election. chuck grassley on stage with donald trump a couple of nights ago. on that day when they were watching cops had their heads bashed in with the american flags. now, coalesce around donald trump and the idea of the lie that 2020 election was a fraud, that it turned out incorrectly, votes were changed and all the lies they're now on board with. >> yeah, it really is so disgusting and shows an extraordinary lack of political character. really a deep, deep
misunderstanding of what patriotism is about, that you have people like -- you talk about lindsey graham going on the floor shaken saying he was done with donald trump and going out golfing saying there is no future within the republican party without donald trump. kevin mccarthy on the house floor saying donald trump shared a great responsibility to this and yelling to donald trump on the phone that it's his people pushing back and then about a week or so. going down to mar-a-lago to lick donald trump's boots. abandoning our constitution certainly. >> for sure. >> and the peaceful transition. >> we need to stop following donald trump and we should not have followed him in the first place at all and she too because of 2024 is doing everything she can to get back to donald
trump's good graces. mika, this is not going to work and that's the thing that is so disturbing is that these people are lining up behind a guy who was cheering on rioters and cheering on people who actually, the people who are of constitutional conservatives. people who were doing very best committing seditions against the united states and stopping the peaceful counting of the electoral votes. if you look at conspiracy of u.s. sedition in the u.s. code, that's what they are doing. i am not sure why all of these people going before the courts that were doing these things are not getting the full 20 years in prison. >> well, for those who were trying to get the testify, those who were close to president trump and part of this, and
those who tried to stop him that day and abandon it. i will take it right up to mike pence. i do not understand how you can love and regard our constitution as our core values and leave this day behind. i don't understand it. it's an abandonment of something that you are supposed to love which is united states america, our country and our core values that we are based on. >> i don't think the two go together? >> what about mike pence's children who were with him on january 6th and whose lives were in danger and when people were chatting "hang mike pence" and they were not sure if they can trust the guard who were with them at the time because he didn't know if they were more loyal to donald trump or the constitution of the united states. and, they had to hide while his family, his wife and kids
are -- "hang mike pence." their lives were put in danger and he's saying now because he's so desperate to grab a little bit more power. he's calling that day any other day in january. >> our whole country is in danger if we let this go by. i think it's confusing to try to have it both ways. >> let's bring in michael schmidt. from what we are learning again i go back to accountability. will we hear from the people close to the president and somehow set a sense of who's accountable for the attack on our country that day? >> well, it looks like january 6th, committee is working towards that. they moved through subpoenas
last week of the people around the president who would be able to provide that sor of insight. there could be court fights about that, there could be negotiations about that. whatever it is, it does not look like an easy seamless process, it would be something that'll take time. how that plays out and how we learn about it and what we see for a minute, we still don't know. are there going to be white house documents or e-mails or correspondences of what we get. are we going to hear from the advisers themselves?
steve bannon called to testify about this. would he sit for an interview? we are stil in the early stages of that. the process this committee move forward piece by piece trying to put together what went on that day. as you were pointing out at the top there, there is a lot that we sort of know what donald trump was doing. there is a picture that has emerged from these books but you get these sorts of official accounts based on what aides say would be different. >> you have done a lot of report on eastman during this period around january 6th, and
infamously had a memo that was revealed in bob woodward and costa's book, showing ways to take steps to overturn the election. we saw it in black and white of the pitch he made. we didn't tell him to overturn the election. we told him to tell congress how to overturn the election. they're republicans and conservative groups held on whitewashing and what happened that day and their roles in it. >> i think the thing about eastman that unnerved so many people that it was clear that trump surrounded himself with folks like rudy giuliani or sidney powell who were clearly
loyal to the president but may not have been people that were deep in the constitution or sort of how the levels of power that were working. not that john eastman was a former white house counsel or formal general. what eastman shows was a reported knowledge of the constitution. someone who could help trump get to a place that he really wanted to get to legally, to have a sophistication that was a little different than the other lawyers. what he sort of show was the president had someone who could help push the bounds of the law in ways that were not sort of simply going on fox news or television like rudy giuliani was and spreading falsehoods.
this was someone who were trying to get under the hood of government to help the president. i think that's why the eastman disclosures were so concerning to so many people. it shows there were someone willing to help the president who knew just enough to get the president to even more trouble. >> that's really shocking in 2021. >> one of many. >> you have somebody who actually was blessed with opportunities that got a law degree and had connections and decided at the time of america's greatest peril got to say constitutionally since jefferson davis and the confederacy who broke away from the union, from the united states, you have a guy that used those skills to try to commit sedition. to try to overturn an american election saying mr. president, based on my experiences and my
knowledge of the law, this is your best chance to turn over and ignore the popular will of the american people, think about that. if you are anybody else who's associated with eastman right now, make no mistake with it. you are associated with a modern day jefferson davis. maybe you are proud of that and maybe you are cheering on the confederacy. i don't think, i don't think so. but you do understand that's a position you put yourself in when you defend a man that was trying to help the president of the united states overturn the popular will of the american people. yes, you know this. so what does it worth to you? john eastman, is this guy that works to overturn the popular will of the american people to
up end a peaceful transition that works for a president that was cheering on these people at the capitol? bashing in on american officers? what's that worth to you? why would you even do it. it's nothing. this is political correctness? no, no, this is what it's like, clear mind institute to be a constitutional conservative where you love the constitution and you are a conservative with a small "c" and you believe the very thing that madison wrote
about. it's really unbelievable. michael, tell us what you found out. >> what we looked at was the exchange of gifts between the trump administration and foreign countries during the presidency. what we found was perhaps not surprising was a range of problems. problems that ranged from the fact that the saudis gave trump first appeared to be endangered species act protected because they came from white tigers and cheetahs and trump's white house held on that for 3.5 years. after we started asking questions about them last year, the u.s. fish and while life service seized the furs and tested them. they're not endangered species protected. they were fake. there were some other type of fur that had been dyed to look
like white tigers and cheetahs. you had trump's political appointees who's been accused at the state department taking high end trump's trust that's given to foreign leaders of the 2020 summit that was cancelled and walking out at the state department gift bags for the g-7 final days of trump administration. two examples of how the basics of government were not functioning normally, i guess? >> normally is exactly. >> michael schmidt, we appreciate your continued reporting on this. thank you so much for coming on this morning. still ahead on "morning joe," one of the members of the january 6th select committee, congressman adam schiff joins the conversation.
plus, coronavirus vaccination mandates get outlawed in texas. governor abbott issued an executive order blocking vaccine requirements including for private business. >> you big government marxist, you don't let small businesses run their small businesses? huh, nothing conservative about that. also, more trouble for southwest airlines after a weekend of disruptions. the cancellations and delays continue. the latest on that travel nightmare. and, a note. new episodes of joe's podcast is available now. he talks about the historic opportunity that democrats have to create a grand coalition and dominate american politics over the next generation. he asks though whether they'll be willing to pay the price required to win, can it happen? you can find the joe scarborough
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36 minutes past the hour, welcome back to "morning joe." >> mika, i want to let everybody know if they miss the first 30 minutes of the show, we'll be talking about baseball again. the headline coming out of this morning is willie geist, red sox fan. >> they're playing the astros, we are all red sox fans. i can say that as new yorker. >> wow. okay. >> can't let go. all right, here is a look at other stories making headlines
this morning. the california department of justice is now investigating last week's massive oil spill off the coast of huntington beach. crude oil dumped into the pacific ocean forcing beaches to close. the spill an environmental disaster with far reaching consequences for wildlife, the community and the economy. huntington beach reopened yesterday after tests found no detectable amounts of oil toxins in the water. the attorney general says they are working to assess whether the emergency could have been prevented. and, as we mentioned texas republican governor greg abbott issued an executive order yesterday prohibiting any entity including private businesses from imposing covid-19 vaccination requirements.
abbott writes covid-19 vaccine is safe and effective but should remain voltaire. he reviews the biden administration bullying many private entities and imposing covid-19 vaccine mandate or requiring vaccine passports. he added an item to the special legislation to have the measure codified into law. >> he's talking about bullying. joe biden is not bullying businesses into vaccine mandates. greg abbott is bullying family's businesses and entrepreneurs. people that drives not only the texas economy but the american economy for doing what they think is best for their own private enterprise, it means
it's private that the government should not be able to comment and tell people how to run their business in a way that actually hurts their business. i think the craziest example of this as we say months ago, they could not require vaccine mandates. they let anybody on with or without a vaccine. it was just a business disaster, forget the healthcare disaster. i know these people don't care about people's health the way they act. think about just the business, the crisis that they're causing. if you are a small business and if you work with your family your entire life to keep a small business open to make payroll every two week, the dealing of everything you had to do and you have a governor saying you can't protect yourself, your family and workers and customers the way you want to protect yourself? that's insanity.
there is nothing conservative about that. i don't know if it's socialist or fa sishs. >> they scored some points in the corner when they pushed back president biden. these self-described small government conservatives are using power to push down on small businesses they say they advocate for. the last year and a half had been a confusing time politically, this is one of the most confusing moments where conservative and republican governors who have prided themselves and keeping government out of the people's lives want nothing more than to put down from their state houses. we told you how yesterday how southwest airlines cancelled and delayed well over 2,000 flights this weekend and leaving
thousands stranded. sam brock has the latest of all the disruption which continues into the start of the week. >> reporter: travel nightmare. >> i have been waiting the past 24 hours. >> reporter: the end of day four. >> i was hoping my flight was not cancelled because i got to get back to work. >> reporter: more than 40% of all southwest flights delayed or cancelled, infecting thousands of passengers, the backup spilling out to the second floor, similar scene across the country from reno to nashville and dallas. >> they cancelled twice, twice, twice they cancelled. >> reporter: southwest apologized to customers saying the numerous cancellations were created by weather and external constraints which left aircraft out. the faa saying no shortages have
been reported since friday. there are several contributing factors. >> reporter: is it possible that some members of southwest decided to sit this out because of the vaccine. the union have said no and the pilots are saying no. the timing is strange. >> reporter: the pilot association responded to speculation of the airline's vaccine mandates contributed to the chaos. >> how do you know that's not related to what happened the last few days? >> we are right in line of where they were this summer. it's absolutely completely false to say that our pilots are -- that this is affecting the pilots any way. the two are exclusive. >> reporter: mandates are creating tension. in seattle, police department have until october 18th to
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the president's approval ratings have tumbled from the 50s to the high 30s. in focus groups from swing states, strategists are reporting a trend. he needs to claw his way out of the muddle. party operatives in virginia and voters in georgia. all gave biden c minus and their answers circled back to a similar point, the pandemic and
the many way that continues the normal life and it soured their views of president biden. many are stemming back to the unvaccinated. a group that largely exists in communities won by donald trump in 2020 and led by republican governors. the president has attempted to counter these souring views by promoting his $3.5 trillion bill back better plan. even if congress is able to push through the agenda, one strategist telling politico quote, "passing both bills won't be enough. they are the party responsible for defeating covid." >> republicans know this. antivaccine republicans, they know this and that's apart of this.
>> let's bring in our eugene robinson and former chief of staff, adrienne and reverend alton sharpton. his new book is available for reorder today. reverend al, you have been around for a little while. i said at the beginning of this, the biden's presidency when they're trying to figure out what they were going to do on vaccine mandates and mask mandates, for them to weaving 43% of americans that were going to be opposed of whatever he did was a stupid thing to do. that means fdr, he knew 40% of
americans hated him. he levelled in it. he didn't care. he pushed through his agenda. he did what he believed he needed to do to get america out of the depression, sometimes he was right and wrong. he was strong an american following. i think if one of the mistakes this white house is making, one of the mistakes democrats make trying to reason with anybody, they just should have pushed these mandates through immediately and should not have done the slow roll because they're never going to win this 43% over no matter what. >> you can't reason with unreasonable people. i mean these people have dug in, that's their identity and who they are. the real answer is the people that supported you, the people that voted for joe biden was voting for who you said you were and what you stood for and expect you to stand up for that
unequivocally. what the poll is indicating is what you referred to is this kind of feeling of equivocation of not taking a firm stand and wanting to see this president say i am going to stand up and do what is right because i think my predecessor did not do it. i think he suffers from the polls. people can't rally around you if you are not rallying around and standing up for yourself and i think this whole thing of trying to convince people that we are determined not to be convinced in my ways reached. in public life is like football, we are going to have half the stadium cheering you, your job is to get the ball across the goal line. that's what this president needs to learn. don't react and don't get intoxicated.
look at the goal line which was to bring us into safety. if you score, everybody cheers. >> exactly. >> bill clinton more and more when democrats get in trouble. bill clinton says it's better to be strong and wrong than right and weak. because when you are right and weak, they don't follow you anyway. adrienne, obviously you look at these poll numbers, americans want this vaccine problem to be fixed. you can't fix it by dealing with antivaxers, you look at the focus groups and i have seen them and you have seen them and in places like wisconsin and michigan and pennsylvania and arizona, they are dreadful. they are dreadful mainly because of covid. >> yeah, that's right, joe.
and look, the biggest challenge president biden have coming into the white house was dealing with this pandemic and getting to the bottom of this. the decisions he has made was not popular of the 30% who have not been with him. we have a lot of smart and long time strategists at this white house. they're looking at the number thinking and focusing on americans who are going to be the ones deciding the midterms and they'll decide 2024 and we'll keep forging ahead and getting as many people vaccinated as possible and making sure we can keep the economy going and allowing people to get back to work by creating mandates in the workplace and federal government where we can.
once he does pass his agenda, whether expanding child care, all of those things we know are in the legislation, it's going to make a difference. it may take a little time to get those numbers out. once those people see how his legislation will affect their lives is going to make a big difference. >> it will be when and how that legislation is through. jean robinson, your new piece, we are looking at plunging polling numbers for the president and assumptions by most analysts that republicans would take back the house in 2022. if you look at history, it's against the democrats there, so what makes you say that perhaps we are going too far with the conversation that democrats are in some trouble here.
>> first of all, this had become the conventional wisdom, the journalistic herd like a herd of wilder beast set on the narrative that democrats are doomed, i am just going to remind people this administration been in office less than nine months. nancy pelosi and schumer still run their chambers of congress with slim majority. joe biden, i think is doing what he can to get a really ambitious agenda through the house and the senate that are almost evenly divided. a senate that's 50/50 in a house that has a slim democratic majority, that's not a easy
thing to do or not a quick thing to do. it's something that democrats will get done. and, as for covid, i think that's right. it's right that people are in a sour mood because covid has not gone away. when people are in a sour move, they are in a sour mood towards the president. so, coronavirus is going to get a vote in this. right now cases and hospitalizations and deaths are all trending down sharply. if that trend continues and if we can avoid a winter wave, if covid is what causing this sort of glum attitude among people as covid declines, if it continues to do so, people's moves should improvement all this writing off
the die ben administration and the democratic party is premature to say the least and basically kind of crazy because democrats are the only same political party doing anything right now. republicans are doing nothing but trying to reek power and pledging to donald trump. they're not even participaing to the governor. democrats are only the one getting it downright now. >> jean, you know on covid cases you are right. covid cases are going down. it also helps if politicians and biden administration had talked about trends that in the summer, cases go up and places like florida, texas, and arizona takes special care there. as we have been saying on the show for some time, cases are going up in the fall and the northeast. the midwest, you will see wisconsin and michigan and
pennsylvania, you will see those numbers go up. tell people what's coming and explain why it's coming. it's seasonable at times. there was and i want to read to you quickly. it's a great companion piece to your op-ed piece by your colleague and michael gerston who writes this and caught my eyes. unified republicans control of the house of reelected of donald trump in 2025 is the likely outcome. i am siding with you here and i respectfully disagree. i understand why so many people are shattered especially republicans who can't believe their party has become what their party has become. here is the thing. we are talking about focus groups. i saw another focus groups in
swing states, they had nine voters who voted for trump in '16 and he switched to joe biden and they all gave biden a c minus or lower. and they asked do you regret your vote for donald trump? not one of them did. they may think he's too weak on covid. they're not going back to donald trump though. >> you look at the suburban voters in pennsylvania and highly educated voters shifted from republicans to democrats over the past four or five years, they may not like what joe biden has done but they're not going back to donald trump. >> it's what it is.
it was not rigged. donald trump just turned off a lot of former republicans in wisconsin and that's why he lost. >> right. >> people remember the chaos and craziness of the trump's years and they remember how it ended and january 6th and as much as the republicans trying to whitewash it, people remember. people know there was a recent poll, i am sorry as i forget whose polls it was but it was asking republicans do you want donald trump to be your candidate in 2024. it was less than half the party. more than half the party says they support trump and they like trump but whatever. less than half say they want donald trump to be the nominee. in a sense, the more trump emerges and becomes sort of story of the republican party,
the less joe biden has to feel crushed by transitory poll numbers as adrienne says. donald trump is republicans' best friend and he's so toxic. >> i would guest terry mccauglah he would pay him whatever legally to get him to campaign for him because it would guarantee donald trump's victory. >> i also want to point out one quick thing. you can have a low approval rating of somebody but that does not mean how you are going to
vote. but look when it comes to the race, there is a couple of things to keep in mind. this is an election that happens half year, traditionally the party that's in power in washington, democrats have a slight disadvantage going into this election. while we saw virginia solidly blue in 2020, it's sort of a purple state. the campaign is well aware of this. it's a bummer that congress had not passed president biden's agenda at this point. that's something terry made clear that he's frustrated not with biden but congress of its in action. it's something he can run on if his agenda is passed. it will get passed. he's out there talking about what democrats will do without
paying its heads on because the agenda is not passed. i think terry is going to prevail. it's going to be a tight race. these are challenging times for the party that's not in power and i do think terry is going to win but it's going to be tough and close. >> adrienne elrod and eugene robinson, we appreciate your optimism. >> i am going to be a red sox fan too if the astros get to that championship series and i am never a red sox fan. >> wow. >> this sounded more like yeah, we'll be ally. >> okay, my enemy is my friend,
eugene robinson and adrienne, thank you very much. mika does not want to talk baseball. have you gotten into the morning show this year yet? >> ted lasso, of course, talk about a show that was great and held up the season two and now without giving too much away is setting us up to a great season three. ted lasso, only murders in the building. steve martin, selena gomez, great casting and so much fun. "the morning show," i think there are two or three that's posted. and you got anniston and reese witherspoon. >> that's special. >> so joyful and i love steve martin all my life.
martin schwartz, he lights up a screen. he got a magic that few people on the screen have. he lights it up. again, steve martin. selena gomez, who would have thought to cast selena gomez, it's wonderful. top to bottom. you know, mika, she's pretty tough. ted lasso, she's doing this routine a lot, hoping i would not see. a lot of tears shed throughout the entire season of ted lasso. we don't want to giveaway too much. there is a moment though in that season where ted lasso, jason sadukis is reading a letter and
he's going from anger to being sad and compassion and understanding. it was all in his face and you just sit there and go, this guy. what a great actor that guy has revealed himself to be over the past couple of years. we are into morning show. the first inning, they may give up two or three runs. >> you are going, what am i watching? what's with all theover reacting. all the over reacting. i have gone around and played the role of executive. hey, you are going to go to school today.
i know you are tired but you are loving it. >> you know who he is. >> i go through the whole routine. but just like last season, do i want to watch it? we were late to "the morning show" because everything we heard about it was bad. the first couple episodes. we plowed through. oh my god, and then boom, it was just a great, great show. in fact, my summer was ruined by mika every two hour, "is the morning show out yet?" mika thinks you should work year around for her. she still asks me everyday. what i am saying is season two, man, holy cow, they got into their third episode and nobody
is overreacting, the lining and the crew is so strong. >> the rest of the cast. i started slow on that too and something to us being in the business where firefighters can't watch fire fighting shows because that's how it's. once you push through those first couple episodes, it's good, compelling, perhaps it's not completely accurate of what our business is like but entertaining and a great cast. >> what a great actor. and i still when i say, you know what i always say to think about. almost famous. >> yep. >> what a great movie. all right, we'll follow up on these. let's get a bit of a headlines. capitol police whistleblower is coming forward with a scathing letter accusing leadership of mishandling intelligence and not
properly responding to the january 6th attack on the capitol. nbc news' halie jackson has the story. >> reporter: a letter written by a capitol police officer describing top officials responsible for the january 6th insurrection. what i have observed was them mostly sitting there blankly looking at the tv screens showing realtime footage of others. a source tells nbc news the two leaders were focused on evacuation of congressional leadership. pitman with lester holt. >> all i think about is protecting the officers. >> it's all the more reason that we have to continue to see an aggressive january 6th,
bipartisan commission, pursued the ground troops and what happened that day. >> reporter: the former president rallying in iowa this weekend, hence at another run. >> we are using the same slogan. "make america great again." >> reporter: and clinched to the lie that at the election was stolen, it was not. georgia counted three times with all of it confirmed again that joe biden won. this new dodge from a top gop leader. >> so you think the election was stolen? >> what i said there are states that didn't follow their legislative rules? >> do you think the election is stolen? >> it's not just regulations. >> meanwhile hillary clinton appeared on "the view" yesterday
whether she was asked whether president trump brought the country close to a full constitutional crisis on january 6th. listen carefully to her response. >> i think we not only came close to a full constitutional crisis, i think we are still in it. and, that gives me no satisfaction in saying this because i think we are in a very dangerous, continuing high level attack on legitimacy of our government and the election of our president. and, obviously our former president is not only behind it and he incited it and he encouraged it and he continues to do so. you have leaders of the republican party who have willingly gone along as though they're members of a cult, not a political party but a cult.
their attack on the election, their refusal to say you know what, we counted these votes. it's over. we are going to move on. they have so much doubt and you combine it with the disinformation network known as facebook. you got a volatile mix. yeah, we are still in the mix of a concerted well-funded effort to undermine american democracy. >> on that subject. let's bring in adam schiff of california, member of the select committee investigating the january 6th attack on the capitol. he's also out with a new book titled "midnight in washingto," it's great to have you with us in new york this morning. as you listen to secretary clinton's remark, it dub tails what you are writing about in this book. as you look at the title "how we
almost lost our democrac and still could," what makes you think that? >> the secretary is right. we are in a crisis already. the problem is really at our feet. as a member of the january 6th select committee, i have to acknowledge there could be another violent attack at the capitol. the greater danger is what's going on around the nation. people pushing the former president's big lie and ushering a whole new slate of laws. the president badgering finding 11,000 votes that didn't exist but who had the courage to say no, he's trying to instill in
people who'll find those nonexistence votes. that's how democracy is coming to an end. we are at a real point of vigilty right now. >> as you watch the clip of steve scalise or mike pence says it was just a day in january or chuck grassley as he spews these lies and as you say lays the ground work for what may be ahead. how do you explain their behaviors? you work alongside these people and you drafted legislations with some of them and two men and a woman is lining up behind this line of the former president. >> that's the reason why i wrote the book, how do we explain it, how can donald trump remake his political party from his raw
image. i can't imagine steve scalise refused to answer. i want to be in congress so i can push the big lie by a president. as i mentioned in the book, it does not always reveals. it reveals a lot of who we are. the power reveals a lot of people who i work with turned out not to care anything they cared about. it reveals something else too. this is why i am still optimistic. it reveals heroes like maria yanovich.
we'll get through this, what we do right now in pushing back against this big lie will determine how long it's going to take for america to get through this dark period. >> congressman, we want to talk about the january 6th select committee, you are obviously apart of that. we have seen president trump and his allies trying to be obstructionist about this. the current white house says they're not going to go along with that. you have bannon and others defying subpoenas to appear. what happens? if they don't commit, is there any way you can compel them to? >> steve bannon was called in as a witness during the russia investigation, he came in not under subpoena and then he was under subpoena. when he came in under subpoena, he brought 25 questions written out for him by the white house. he says these are the only
questions i am going to answer and i have already answered them and the answer is no. the republicans were more content with that. things were not the same for steve bannon. republicans would not press these subpoenas. they knew they had attorney general and bill barr who would never hold them in contempt. now we have a justice department that's independent. if witnesses do not show up, we'll hold them in criminal contempt in the house. we refer them for prosecution. that'll be a sign that our democracy is recovering. the justice department is holding a principle that no one
is above the law. >> we are not surprised of the behavior of donald trump and those of us who knew him and had to deal with him in new york. what surprised us is some appeared to be the kind of push back on donald trump and people not standing up to it. one of the things i think distinguish you is that you fought back. there are a lot of your fellow members of congress on the democratic side seemed to want to go along to get along. don't you think this is a definitive moment that this january 6th committee has to demand these people do not comply. they must face the full weight of the law. the american people would not know that, peopleare not above the law. we can't have a bipartisan conversation where people say i am not going to republican your subpoena. >> you are absolutely right. on this select committee, we are
one mind. anyone who does not comply, we'll refer for a criminal prosecution, there needs to be accountability. it's essential for us to bring democracy back from the brink that we once again have our rules applied equally to everyone. one of things that terriies me is we need to make sure the party in power believes in the rule of law. so kevin you know it's the exact opposite of what you told to the press. his answer to me, yeah, i know but you know how it goes. we can't have a leadership in congress that has no commitment to the truth, that shares donald trump's willingness falsify and
lie about everything and so this is too is what puts us in peril and all the damage that donald trump did to our democracy, the most corrosive and relentless attack on the troops. >> so many republicans tell you they don't like donald trump and they wish you go in private and they go on tv and fan his big lie. >> we have been through that type of experience as well early on. >> yeah. >> sure. and you know mika, your father, you grew up with your father. when he lived in a different washington where democrats and republicans work hard to understand each other and they would have dinner and go to churches and synagogues and would go out and do things and
keep families together. there was a sense of trust. even when i was there in what's called the gingrich's year from '95 to 2001. things got rough. but if you gave somebody your words on the house floor. >> exactly. >> it's so interesting congressman, it was not so long ago that i was there and i can't imagine a member of congress having a private conversation with me and going around and he's characterizing it in public that would not happen. when i was in congress, they considered me at time things have changed a lot with what the republican party stands for now. they considered me to be a red hot small government conservative. i go talk to democrats all the time. we would disagree strongly. we would sit there with
conversations and all my years there. i fear maybe too common. how in the world can you work with people when you can't judge them to not mischaracterize the conversation. >> it was such a shock to me. people like kevin mccarthy were made for this moment. it really put our democracy on such edge because one of the painful lessons is the impeachment trial, there was nothing wrong with impeachment provision or the drafting of our constitution, we don't need to change the threshold for impeachment or anything like
that. if those are not animated by people who believe what's right and wrong or telling the truth then none of it works. at the same time we can given the despair here of that luxury. at the same time when i listen to mit romney explained why he was willing to convict and he had grandchildren and children to answer to. there are people of virtue who justify the faiths our founders have. we can control our own destiny. >> everyone should read it and it's chilling. many at the capitol that day serving our country went through similar experiences, they're gut-wrenching and frightening. you are going to have people
who'll not respond to subpoenas, who'll say no. can you guarantee that the job will be done to make sure to guarantee this will never happen again. >> i can guarantee you that we will do everything humanly possible among those of us in the committee. there is no daylight. we are determined to get to the truth and what led up to january 6th and the president's role and everyone else inl including mem of congress. we'll do whatever it takes to get there. we have to depend on our institutions like the department of justice doing their part. we'll not rest until we do everything possible to prevent this from ever happening again. the trauma of that day and many respects for me was realizing how our democracy looked to the rest of the world. but, also that while all the people who were climbing outside the capitol and beating officers
really believed the big lie? it was so tragic for my perspective is the insurrectionists in the chambers wearing suits and ties who understood it was a big lie and still -- there were still back at it trying to overturn the democratic election, trying to undermine our democracy as if nothing had happened. that's unforgivable in so many ways. january 6th changed a lot of things in america but it also changed how we look at our colleagues and congress and how we look at them still. when people like steve scalise can't say the obvious that at the election was not stolen because they live in such fear of donald trump. you see how a democracy is put at risk when ordinary people don't live up to their very extraordinary oath of office. >> the book is "midnight in
washington: how we almost lost our democracy and still could." >> chairman of the house, adam schiff, thank you very much for your service, thank you for being on this morning. >> thank you. house lawmakers are rushing back to washington today to hold a vote on extending the nation's debt limit. we have the latest. puerto rico was under a state of emergency this morning after a wave of black outs. the government is blaming seaweed. you are watching "morning joe," we'll be right back. ♪ ♪
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investigative report from the wall street journal that revealed some of the testimonies at facebook. we have some responding to facebook. >> the author of the upcoming book "fight," john della volpe and also with us for this conversation, sarah fisher. good morning to you both. i can't wait for this to hit the show. congratulations, it's your first book. let's talk about what we have seen over the last couple of weeks. the whistleblower's testimony and the revelations from the wall street journal about the damage that instagram does to young girls. what are you finding you're polling life before social media. what is generation z saying about that? >> it was something that brought to me a few years ago, the focus
group of high school students, if you can do anything to make your life better, what would you do? go back to life without facebook. where you can ride your bike and find some friends. can i put this in a broader perspective? it was only four or five years ago when mark zuckerberg talked about a new mission for facebook, connect communities to bring the world together. every metrics that we see, he felt miserably. he got twice the network and the stock is three times as high. this company won't regulate itself, we know that. >> this is not coming from generation z. lets put up that poll about life before social media. all right, i am addicted to blank, i can't stop if i tried.
>> so you have 42% of the session of bread and butter of facebook saying gen z, they can't stop even if they want to and almost half. 70 million americans, you are dealing with 30 million americans or so who can't quit even if they wanted to. imagine this is a tv show or restaurant where we got 60% indicating they like life better before they existed. we would not have the conversation. it was not a thing anymore. >> that's what we were talking about during the break, the genie in the bottle. what are we doing now? >> the majority of gen z says life was better before facebook and instagram and their parents feel more than at this point. let's see how they feel after checking facebook, angry,
depressed and similar numbers there as well, john. >> especially when you think about gens is z, we talk so much about how individuals feel but 42% feel depressed, angry and alone and less than half is informed. you get negative attitude every time and you can't stop. >> let's see how i feel after checking instagram. this is a great document revealed by the wall street journal. less than half feeling fufilled and more so those who are feeling missing out. younger women feeling much more anxious about their time on instagram. >> these are startling numbers here at the show that a lot of facebook and instagram customers may be don't like the product very much. how does that company go forward with these kinds of numbers? we know they are aware of them. they got the internal documents
that suggest that they are very cognizant of the harmful effects this may have on young women and girls. what's their strategy now and give us an update on where things may be on capitol hill. >> it's a great question. i mean their strategy up until now is serve them of whatever they think is going to make them consume the most. how can we serve them something that's quality and going to make them feel good. those numbers are quite alarming if you are trying to produce a quality case of content or apps, you are competing a lot of other apps whether it's tiktok or snap chat or etc. as far as what's happening on capitol hill, i don't think they'll be passing a lot of laws soon. they'll continue to hold hearings. public pressure, that's not enough. these companies need laws and
regulations. while i agree with that and will say sometimes public pressure can force them to do things. if you think what they can announce last week, they're putting instagram for young users on pause basically from the fallout of the whistleblower. they'll have a lot of hearings and a lot of pressure. i don't think laws are to be passing soon. congress is just at gridlock right now. >> what do we see here? >> having a negative impact, is social media and facebook in particular and we asked on instagram having a neutral or negative impact. you can see facebook is having a negative impact on our country and our democracy for the eyes
of their best customers ges is z. there is no gap there. we talked a lot about body image and you can see negative impact on social media generally but specifically on instagram and facebook as well. >> you are seeing a lot of this. we are all touched by all these impacts. >> what i thought is interesting and i would like your comment on it. do you look at all and what is the motive that began this surge in generation z and others becoming addicted. part of what i deal with is what makes people want to do things that maybe bad, wicked or good. what is the motivation of surge and everybody wanted to be on facebook or instagram.
what would they fulfill? >> it's a terrific question. it's an opioid addiction. there is a lot of similarities in terms of how it makes you feel, alone and depressed and anxious. people were not looking at this as a device -- they're looking at this to do things and connect with the community and keep in touch with friends and family members. instead what they got was the surveillance capitalism ex trapping every piece of data they can and serving algorithms to the most vulnerable. it's similar to what we see from other kinds of addictions. >> sarah got a question for you. >> hey john, you have done some polling on elections. how does this impact what they're going to do in terms of swaying public opinions and in terms of getting laws passed? do you think this will rally
them to get them how to pressure lawmakers to take action? >> that's a terrific question. when i look at those short life of gen post, post-parkland, post-george floyd's murder, post-insurrection and post-climate change. now i see some of the same things as well. and now the whistle-blower and congress, hopefully that will be the case. >> so interesting to what's happening in the country. john della volpe. you will be speaking at the youth 4 youth summit. tell us about that. >> i will be there talking about this poll and other things. i know governor deval patrick will be there doing a town hall meeting. i'm looking forward to. i believe it's available to
everybody online. >> thank you very much. and reporter from axios, sara fischer, thank you so much. still three weeks to go with election day in virginia, polls show a tight race for governor. they will be joined by democrat terry mcauliffe as he campaigns for another term. "morning joe" is coming right back.
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patterson has the details. >> reporter: overnight a stunning fall from grace broadcast to millions of football fans. >> breaking news, jon gruden out as las vegas raiders head coach. >> reporter: former raiders coach head coach jon gruden announcing his exit as head coach of the las vegas raiders, after emails uncovered as part of a separate investigation, revealed a torrent of sexist, racist, anti-day emails. gruden saying in part, i love the raiders and do not wish to be a distraction. i'm sorry, i never meant to hurt anyone. the emails confirmed by the nfl, but not seen by nbc news, were initially discovered during an nfl workplace misconduct investigation into the washington football team while gruden was an analyst for espn. last week it was learned gruden used a racist trope to describe nfl union chief demaurice smith in a 2011 email, writing dumb
boras smith has lips the size of michelin tires. then the floodgates open with "the new york times" report showing emails of gruden using offensive language to assault commissioner roger goodell, also calling the league's first openly player michael sam a queer, panning the hiring of female referees and mocking league efforts to reduce concussions. >> it wasn't just something that crossed his mind, which is bad, but that he then took that thought, formalized it in a writing and hit send. people say all sorts of things sort of on the cuff that they shouldn't. this is more than that. >> reporter: according to "the times," gruden also exchanged email photos with other men showing women only wearing bikini bottoms, including nfl cheerleaders. in his statement the league slammed gruden's actions calling them appalling, abhorrent and
wholly contrary to the nfl's values. >> that's nbc's steve paterson with that report. coming up next -- donald trump started his administration by bragging about his crowd side, remember that? apparently, that's how he ended it too. new reporting of the ex-president's reaction seeing his supporters storm the capitol on january 6th. here's the little hint -- he was really excited. reporting shows how excited he was that they were rioting and desecrating the people's house. "morning joe" back in a moment. ♪ i'm a reporter for the new york times. if you just hold it like this. yeah. ♪ i love finding out things
here's a moment from last week that pretty much sums up my feelings about the current state of our policies. biden was asked about a short-term deal to avoid economic catastrophe and raise the debt ceiling. in response he crossed his fingers, although at first i thought he was going for a very different hand gesture. >> mr. president, do you support the short-term debt ceiling deal? [ laughter ] it really does encapsulate where we're at politically. every response is a coin flip between hoping for the best and [ bleep ] off. welcome back to "morning joe." it's 8:00 on the east coast, 5:00 a.m. out west. let's get right to the news. we're learning new details about what was happening behind the scenes in the white house on january 6th. in his new book "betrayal: the
final act of the trump show," abc news chief washington correspondent jonathan carl describes how then president trump remained out of sight, watching tv in the white house private dining room, while insurrectionists stormed the u.s. capitol. karl reports house minority leader kevin mccarthy called trump asking him to tell the riots to leave. mccarthy reportedly said, i just got evacuated from the capitol. there were shots fired right off the house floor. you need to make this stop. according to -- >> can we just say right here, kevin mccarthy, go ahead, according to carl's sources -- >> the former president liked what he saw, boasted about the size of the crowd and argued with aides who wanted him to tell his supporters to stop rioting. trump finally acquiesced two hours after the riot started, posting a video on twitter asking his supporters to go home
but also praising them. according to jonathan carl, an aides there during a recording of the video, he said the message had to be taped several times. in earlier versions trump neglected to tell his supporters to leave the capitol. >> jonathan lemire, this is really one of the more damning moments of january 6th, when you have republicans, even some of the most extreme trump supporters, calling and begging donald trump to please call off the rioters. donald trump instead was mesmerized and cheering on those people using american flags to bash in the heads of cops who were cramming cops' heads into doors, beating several of them within just inches of their life and pummeling them with them begging for their lives saying they had children, loving excrement, smearing excrement all over the united states capitol, the people's house.
while that was going on and while they were chanting "hang mike pence" you have donald trump, after hearing these chants and knowing mike pence was chased from the chamber, actually tweeting out after that that mike pence was betraying him and betraying the country. this is -- this is exactly, by the way, this, what jonathan karl is writing about and we read other accounts of, like ben sasse said trump was watching tv and loved every second what he was watching in the riots, this is exactly what republicans don't want americans to see. if there's a conspiracy of silence they created around january 6th, it's all to protect donald trump and their brand for the heinous reaction this man had to a fascist crowd overtaking a capitol, brutalizing police officers, committing sedition to try to stop the constitutional process of counting the electoral votes. >> there's a private dining room that's just off the oval office
where president trump would frequently retreat during the day. that's where he had a bunch of tvs set up, he would brag to guests about his super tivo device to catch up on morning shows, sometimes hours later watching the same show two or three times. it was there that day he was watching live footage january 6th. just remember the white house was pretty emptied out at that point, raging then. staffing levels were down because of the virus. also, there simply had been departures. the election was two months prior, people started to leave, joe biden was to be inaugurate edmmmmmm two weeks to that day. there were people like kevin mccarthy who urged him to do something and he didn't. we know from our reporting, and jonathan karl fleshed it out a littlek furtheri, he wasiii trans fixesiiiiiiiiiiiiii
byiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii hiiiiiiiiiiikkkkkkkkkkk bbbbbbbbbbbbb0p- can is is is is once he aagreed to do that, he would leave and then he did but still said i love you. and that was the tenor that remained that day and that night, even as it became more evident just how bad things have been that day, we reported he was on the phone with allies thinking still the election could perhaps be overturned and he was heartened by the likes of hawley and cruz, still saying the states like pennsylvania, arizona and others with unsubstantiated of voter fraud. it's a damning moment and one the republicans tried to downplay and whitewash to their
voters. >> what's fascinating looking back at this time around january 6th and all of those republicans on that day or a couple daze after can then the president or kevin mccarthy's case encouraged to call off the dog is the except nine months later all of them totally abandoned that position. mike pence coming out and saying it was just another day in january. the media is obsessed, he's the one on that day preventing the overturn of the election. and if his spokesman on tv, yeah, fine, joe biden won the election but caveat, chuck grassley and iowa on stage with donald trump a couple nights ago. on that day when they were watching cops had their heads bashed in with american flags, they may have said the right things but nine months in to a man and woman, all of them abandoned any criticism and now coalesced around donald trump and now the idea it's a lie, that the 2020 election was a fraud, it turned out
incorrectly, that somehow votes were changed. all of the lies they're on board with. >> it's so disgusting. it's such an extreme lack of political character and really a deep, deep misunderstanding of what patriotism is about, that you have people like -- you talk about lindsey graham going on the floor shaking, saying he was done with donald trump, and then going out golfing and saying there's no future in the republican party without donald trump. kevin mccarthy on the house floor saying that donald trump shared a great responsibility for this, yelling to donald trump on the phone that it's his people pushing back and then about a week or so later, going down to mar-a-lago to lick donald trump's boots and take a picture. >> abandoning our country. >> abandoning our constitution certainly.
abandoning the promise of a peaceful transition. and then, of course, you have nikki haley, who said we need to stop following donald trump. we probably should have never followed him at all in the first place and now, of course, she too, because of 2024, is doing everything she can to get back into donald trump's good graces. mika, this is not going to work. i guess that's the thing that is so disturbing is that these people are lining up behind a guy who's cheering on rioters, cheering on people who were actually the antithesis of law and order, people who were the antithesis of constitutional conservatives, people who were doing their very best to, again, commit sedition against the united states and actually stop the peaceful counting of electoral votes. by the way, if you look up conspiracy to commit sedition in the u.s. code, that's exactly what it says it is. and that's exactly what they were doing, and i'm not exactly sure why these people, all of these people going before the
courts that were doing these things, aren't getting the full 20 years in prison for it. >> for those that -- those people who were trying to get to testify, those who were close to president trump and those who were a part of this and those who actually tried to stop him that day and then to abandon it, and i'll take it right up to mike pence, calling it just any day in january, i do not understand how you can love and regard our constitution at our core values and leave this day behind. i don't understand it. it's an abandonment of something you're supposed to love, which is the united states of america, our country and our core values that we're based on. i don't think the two go together. >> what about mike pence's children with him on january 6th whose lives were endangered? when people were chanting hang mike pence and they had to run out of the backdoor and they were not exactly sure what room to go down to, weren't exactly
sure they could trust the guards who were with them at the time because he didn't know if they were more loyal to donald trump or more loyal to the constitution of the united states. and they had to hide while his family, his wife and kids, heard hang mike pence! their -- >> they have the nuclear code, joe -- >> their lives were in danger, mika, and he's saying now it's because -- >> it's another day in january. >> -- he's so desperate to grab just a little bit more power, he's calling that day any other day in january. >> it's just our whole country is in danger if we let this go by. still ahead -- the ongoing trouble for one of the nation's leading airlines. southwest strands thousands of passengers from california to the east coast. why that's happening straight ahead. first, let's go to bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill? >> hey, mika and joe, good tuesday morning. severe weather over the weekend
and numerous tornadoes in areas of the midwest. we could have more tonight and we're dealing with our first snowstorm of the winter season. yes, i can say the winter season, even though it's fall, winter starts early in the rockies, especially northern rockies. winter storm warnings covering portions of six different states. looks like wyoming and montana will get the highest totals. one to two feet, northwards up to sheridan and maybe northward into billings. and we will deal with snow later on tonight. we could have additional hail, large hails, damaging winds. the problem with this event is it will happen once everyone is going to sleep. these overnight events always get kind of dangerous and people don't get the heads-up alerts they get during the day. and on top of all of that, we have a hurricane that will hit mexico and that rain will head up into texas. we have to watch out for flooding in central texas, up to austin and dallas over the next couple days. and how about this warm october?
it's still ridiculously warm for this time of year from st. louis to chicago to boston, where they had the marathon yesterday, and tomorrow is going to be even warmer. we could be 75 to 80 from d.c. to new york to boston, all the way through the end of this week, which is highly unusual for the middle of october. many people in northern new england are still waiting for their first freeze of the season, as our gardens continue to grow. like i said, it's warm and the sun will come out this afternoon, even though it doesn't like it, in new york city. you're watching "morning joe." be right back. ♪♪
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here's a look at other headlines this morning. the california department of justice is investigating a massive oil spill off huntington beach. thousands of gallons of oil spewed into the pacific ocean, forcing beaches to close. the state's attorney general called it an environmental disaster with far-reaching consequences for wildlife, the community and economy. the beach reopened yesterday after tests found no detected amount of oil or toxins in the water. the attorney general is working to assess whether the emergency could have been prevented. as we mentioned, texas republican governor greg abbott issued an executive order yesterday prohibiting any entity, including private businesses, from imposing covid-19 vaccination requirements on employees or
customers. in a tweet abbott writes, quote, the covid-19 vaccine is safe and effective in our defense against the virus, that's good, but should always remain voluntary and never forced. in the order he rebuked the biden administration for, in his words, bullying many private entities into imposing covid-19 mandates or requiring vaccine passports. abbott added the item to a legislative special session to have the measure codified into law. >> willie, this is so preposterous. he's talking about bullying. joe biden is not bullying businesses into vaccine mandates. greg abbott is bullying small businesses, family businesses, entrepreneurs, people who drive not only texas' economy but the american economy, from doing what they think is best for their own private enterprise.
private enterprise means it's private, the government shouldn't be able to come in and tell people how to run their business in a way that actually hurts their businesses. i think the craziest example of this is when ron desantis several months ago told cruise liners they couldn't require vaccine mandates, they could let anybody on, with or without a vaccine. it was just a business disaster. got the health care disaster, i know these people don't care about people's health the way they act, but think about just the business crisis that they're causing. if you're a small business, if you worked with your family your entire life to keep a small business open, to make payroll every two weeks, to deal with all of the things you have to deal with in running that small business and then you have a governor saying, you can't protect yourself, your family, your workers, your customers the way you want to protect yourself, your families, your
customers, that's insanity. there's nothing conservative about that. that is radical. i don't know if it's socialist, i don't know if it's fascist, but it sure isn't conservative. >> governor abbott and governor desantis score points in some quarters when they're appearing, at least, to be pushing back against president biden. but as you point out, these he self-described small government conservatives are using the power of the small government to push down on small businesses they say they advocate for. so the last year and a half in many ways has been a confusing time politically but this is one of the most confusing moment, especially for republican governors who prided themselves in their political careers of keeping government out of people's lives, wanting them to push down from small government in their states. we told you yesterday how southwest canceled or delayed flights over the weekend, leaving passengers stranded.
nbc news correspondent sam brock has the latest on all of these disruptions, which have now continued into the start of the week. >> reporter: a full-fledged travel nightmare. >> we've been worrying about it for the past 24 hours. >> reporter: that's now at the end of day four. >> i have to get back to work. >> reporter: more than 40% of flights delayed or canceled, affecting tens of thousands of passengers. over the weekend a backup spilling over the floor, similar scenes from reno to nashville or dallas. >> they canceled flights twice, twice they canceled. >> reporter: southwest apologized to customers, saying the numerous cancellations were primarily created by weather and other external constraints which left aircraft and crews out of preplanned positions. the faa pushing back on an earlier position that air traffic controlling was
contributing to the problem, saying no air traffic control shortages have been reported since friday. industry experts believe there are likely several contributing factors. >> is it possible some members of southwest and its pilots decided to sit this out because of the covid vaccine? >> there's definitely something just aside because of atc and weather delays going on here. unions have said no, pilots are saying no, but the timing is strange. >> reporter: the head of southwest airlines responded to speculations the vaccine mandate is contributing to the chaos. >> how do you know that's related to what's happening the last four days? >> our sick rates are right in line with where they were this summer, so it is absolutely completely false to say our pilots are -- this is affecting the pilots in any way. the two or completely mutually exclusive. >> reporter: mandates at the state levels are creating tension. in seattle the police department
has until october 18th to comply with hundreds of officers still unvaccinated. >> they're using bullying tactics to force their employees to get this, and that's what led to this disconnect. coming up -- new reporting on why democrats are watching the president's poll numbers with growing unease. what's driving the drop in approval ratings next on "morning joe." he breathes... he kills.... [ screams ] he dies, tonight. vo: the damage it's causing is undeniable... climate change. and with the build back better act, congress can tackle it head on. with tax credits for clean energy companies that create millions of new jobs... ...and ramp up new technology and clean energy manufacturing. it means families pay less for utilities... ...and america becomes the global leader in clean energy
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reverend al, you've been around for a little while. i said at the beginning of this, the biden presidency when they were trying to figure out what they were going to do on vaccine mandates, what they were going to do on mask mandates, for them to try to reason with 40% of americans, 43%, 44% of americans who were going to be opposed to whatever he did, it was a stupid thing to do. fdr, he knew 40% of americans hated him and he reveled in it, he didn't care! he pushed through his agenda. he did what believed he needed to do to get america out of the
depression. sometimes he was right, sometimes he was wrong, but he was strong and americans followed him. i think one of the mistakes that this white house made, one of the mistakes democrats made, sitting back trying to reason with anybody. they should have just pushed these mandates through immediately, shouldn't have done the slow roll because you're never going to win this 40%, 43% over, no matter what. >> you can't reason with unreasonable people. i mean, these people have dug in, that's their identity, that's who they are. the real answer is the people that supported you, the people that voted for joe biden were voting for who you said you were and what you stood for and they expected you to stand up to that unequivocally. i think what the polls are indicating is exactly what you referred to, is this kind of feeling of equivocation of not
taking a firm stand and wanting to stand up and do what is right because my predecessor did not do it. people can't rally around you if you're not rallying around standing up for yourself. i think this whole thing of trying to convince people that were determined not to be convinced in many ways has reached -- has worked to his detriment. when i was a young activist, i learned one thing from one of my mentors, he said in public life, it's like football, you'll have half the stadium cheering you, half the stadium cheering you, and your job is to get the ball across the line. that's what they need to learn. don't get intoxicated with cheers or jeers, just bring the team to safety.
if he scores, everybody cheers. >> that's right. i find myself quoting bill clinton more and more than when democrats get in trouble, it's better to be strong and wrong than right and weak f you're right and weak, they don't follow you anyway. adrienne, obviously you look at these poll numbers, and americans want this problem, this vaccine problem that continues, to be fixed. you can't fix it trying to deal with anti-vaxxers but you look at the focus groups, and i know you've seen them, i've seen them over the past several months specially, places like wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, georgia, arizona, they're dreadful. they're dreadful. like the politico story shows, they're dreadful mainly because of covid. >> yeah, that's right, joe. and look, first of all the biggest challenge president biden was going to have coming into the white house was dealing with this pandemic and getting
to the bottom of it. from the decision that he's made to your point has not exactly been popular with that 35% to 38% of the population who were never going to be with him. so we've got a lot of smart, longtime political strategists who under this white house. i think they're looking at those numbers and saying, you know what, we're not going to focus too much on that population, we're going to focus on the 5%, 6% of americans who swing this election. they're going to decide the midterms and 2024 and we're going to keep forging ahead and get as many people vaccinated as possible to make sure we can keep the economy going and allow people to get back to work by creating mandates in the workplace and creating mandates in federal government where we can. the biden administration has been very focused on the task at hand, keeping their eye on the ball, and the numbers will ebb and flow. that's just the nature of being in the white house. once he does pass his build back better agenda, which is going to
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♪♪ 36 past the hour, welcome back to "morning joe." today is exactly three weeks until the virginia gubernatorial election. and recent polling shows a dead heat between the state's former democratic governor, terry mcauliffe, and republican businessman glenn youngkin. the latest poll from the washington center has mcall liefding youngkin with a margin of error 49% to 45%. top representatives from both parties have been actively campaigning for both candidates, with many seeing the race as having major national implications. and terry mcauliffe joins us now. terry, how are you doing? >> joe, mika, the band is back together! great to see you all! >> the band is back together. >> a shot of vodka.
>> exactly. it's so funny, terry, about two months ago i said to mika, you wouldn't believe how many emails i get from terry, trump campaign emails, everybody's emails. i'm on everybody's list. i'm sitting there like terry has this really weird new strategy. every day he says the sky is falling. we're going to lose this. next day, i can't believe we're choking. next day, my god, we're going to let trump win. i said he's going to win by 20 points. if he's doing this to raise money. fast forward two, three months, my god, this race is as close as you said it was. so i'm from outside looking in, but virginia shouldn't be this close, should it, terry? what's going on? >> well, first of all, virginia's always close. this is an off-off year. we just have gone through the
presidential election and turnout dropped significantly. the whole goal here is to make sure you're getting your voters to the polls. this is a huge election for us. i'm running against a trump wannabe, been endorsed by donald trump five times. he's said so much as the reason he's running for governor is because of donald trump. i'm running to build education, health care. i built a booming economy the last time i was governor. but people got to understand, joe, this is about turnout. glenn youngkin is committed to banning abortions and defunding planned parenthood. for years, 50 years, we always thought the supreme court would protect everybody. now we know the supreme court will not do that and virginia's got to understand, abortion will be gone. it will be outlawed if glenn youngkin is elected governor. he's said it. he wants to go on offense to ban abortions and defund planned parenthood. his number one issue is election integrity. really, not jobs, health care, education? it's election integrity so we
don't want the texas abortion will yous in virginia or anti-voting laws but that's what you will get if democrats don't get out and vote and understand how important this election is to their future. >> terry, why else is this so close? does it have anything to do with how the biden administration is polling? is the democratic party overall giving you the platform to run a successful campaign? >> well, that's a good question. and it's been in the press, there are headwinds coming out and i'm hopeful we'll get an infrastructure done very quickly. i have been very consistent. they need to do their job. it's literally billions and billions of road and bridge work for us in virginia. but literally, mika, about virginia and our future. people are excited. i'll make some news for you today. we've got on friday the first lady, jill biden is coming. on saturday president obama is coming to richmond, virginia. and on sunday we're going to have stacey abrams in norfolk
doing our souls to the polls. so you've got some news out there. but there's going to be a lot of excitement. in fact the both of you ought to come to virginia this weekend. we're going to get it going. but the stakes are so huge. if people don't understand, they come out in presidential years but they have to come out in this off year because literally their lives depend on it. people were very happy when i was governor, 200,000 new jobs, personal welcome went up 14% the last time i was governor. glenn youngkin doesn't believe in medicaid expansion. really, 550,000 people have life-saving care today. the stakes could not be greater. and let me just say this also, this is big for donald trump. he's endorsed youngkin five times. this gets trump off the mat, and i think this kicks off his 2024. we can't let it happen. glenn youngkin said so much of the reason i'm running is because of donald trump, and he said that, mika, after the january 6th insurrection. i've got to tell you, this is so
bothersome to me. the threat of democracy and what happened to our country, how could you possibly support these folks today? >> yeah, you know, terry you said the races were always close but sometimes they're not close. in '17, northam won big, which was really an indicator of what would happen in '18. bob mcdonald won a big victory in 2009, which really showed americans what was going to happen the next year when the tea party swept in. so just kind of ask, in fact, is the fact joe biden's poll numbers collapsed over the last month, the fact swing voters are disillusioned where the democrats are right now, are we looking at headwinds that are going to make your race much tougher and predict a huge republican year next year? >> well, that's not going to happen because i'm going to win this year. we're going to get the folks out
to vote. i do believe people are looking at washington for getting things done. i mean, let's be honest, we have the house, white house and senate. we passed the infrastructure bill 69 votes 2 months ago, and i think people are rightfully asking the question, let's get this done in the u.s. house. they want to see results. that's why i was a successful governor. i governed in a bipartisan way. in fact, many republicans have endorsed me. bill kristol endorsed me. he said terry was a great governor, we had a lot of jobs. and two, we can't have a trump wannabee in the office again. we have $14 trillion in the american rescue plan. virginians should know we got $3 billion for our education system in virginia, $70 million for vaccinations. i will say this, i'm for requiring doctors and nurses and teachers and everybody at work
to be vaccinated. my opponent is an anti-vaxxer. he goes on right wing radio and literally says, quote, if you don't want to take it, don't take it. quote, there are many good reasons not to be vaccinated. he told college students if you don't want to get it, just fill out an exemption for whatever reason. can you imagine? someone's getting cancer treatments, getting chemotherapy or radiation, they are already immunocompromised and he doesn't believe that nurse should have a vaccination? i've got to tell you, i think that's disqualifying. he's forcing this. all masks come off day one if he's elected and vaccination requirements go away for our teachers. think if you're a parent and you have a 6-year-old or 7-year-old going to first grade, he's going to force you to send your child to a school where the teacher is not vaccinated and not wearing a mask. that to me is disqualifying. but that's why people got to get out and vote. i rolled out a whole plan the other day to help women, 4.5 million lost their job in
virginia. if you work and you're making $7.25 minimum wage, you have to work 48 weeks to pay for one child and childcare. those are the big issues i want to fix. i'm not running for trump, i'm running for virginians. >> rev? >> terry, al sharpton. i wanted to ask you about this. certainly people you know that i work with at the action network in virginia talk about how you did as governor before. but isn't this turnout really about if they do not come out and vote for you, it is really a vote for donald trump? the pundits will say if your opponent wins, that this is the comeback of donald trump. and if anybody in virginia is for trump or gets trump, they better come and cast their vote this time. isn't despite the fact you've certainly laid out policies and you've certainly had a record of governing, which you did for
that state, but isn't this really about whether you want to go back to trump or go forward with an agenda? >> you hit it right on the head, rev. i couldn't say it any better. if i were not to win this, this would be, as i say, the comeback of donald trump. this would lift him off the mat. he would use this as a launchpad to campaign in 2022 and set him up in 2024. glenn youngkin has been endorsed now by donald trump five times, five times. and for eight months glenn youngkin had one policy plan, election integrity. he said the other day after trump talked about voting machines, what did glenn youngkin say a couple days ago, let's audit virginia's machines. so they're all the same. i couldn't agree with you more. that's why democrats and independents, as i say, a couple dozen rops endorsed me the other day because i get things done, but if we don't win this thing, this is donald trump's comeback. people need to wake up. i know we have elections every year in virginia and people get
tired but this is very important. and if we don't vote for me, i can tell you, women should understand that abortions will be outlawed in virginia. we will have the texas law here. think of this, doctors -- i mean, they're going to go and try to put doctors in jail. women's lives will be put at risk. the other thing with glenn youngkin, he's against a woman's right to choose, he's against day marriage. i can tell you right now that all of those big projects, 1,100 economic developments, all of the huge companies i helped bring in, amazon, google, facebook, microsoft, none of those businesses would have come to virginia if we had glenn youngkin as governor. they're not coming to a state that discriminates against anybody. rev, i have such strong support in the black community as you know. i restored more voting rights than any governor in u.s. history and went through a legal battle. today in virginia 275,000 people could vote that could not vote eight years ago when i ran for governor. i'm about lifting people up.
glenn youngkin's campaign has been just like trump, divide, divide, divide. he talks about critical race theory, he talks about having these parents' meetings on critical race theory. it really bothers me because it is a racist dog whistle. we don't teach critical race theory in virginia and all he's doing is getting trump and parents fighting parents, using children as political pawns. i hate that. i'm a uniter. i will work with anybody as governor. i don't care your party, i'm going to lift you up. but i'll tell you this, i will be a brick wall as i was before. they tried to shut the 16 women's clinics down, i stopped that, replaced the board of health and vetoed every bill to defund planned parenthood. i will be a brick wall for women's rights here in virginia. glenn youngkin will put women's lives in danger. doctors will go to jail. this is real now. for 50 years we thought the supreme court would protect. now donald trump's supreme court will allow abortions to be made
illegal. so virginians understand, your future is at stake here. this election is so important. that's why president obama is coming saturday, stacey abrams sunday and first lady coming friday. people understand the stakes of this election. you're right on the mark, this is donald trump's comeback. >> governor, good morning, it's jonathan lemire. you in recent days pretty bluntly called for democrats to get this infrastructure deal done, to get it through the house, to give you something you could run on. early voting began this weekend, it's not going to get done by then. even november 2, i think there's real doubt everything will get done the way it's paired with the reconciliation package, which still could take weeks, if not months, to get across the finish line. should they set straw apart and do just infrastructure now? and if they don't do that before november 2, how harmful is that to your chances? >> listen, i want to get it done not only as a candidate for
governor but i want to get it done for the sake of all virginia residents. it's a trillion dollars on infrastructure. i have roads and bridges we desperately need to be fixed. i love what we have on human infrastructure on childcare, i just talked about those issues, elderly issues. elderly care. family medical leave. i'm for family medical leave. i want to lift people up. so, this is important to us here in virginia to get these two bills done. and i guess what frustrates me when i was governor i got everybody in the room. democrats, republicans, the governors conference room. said, okay. what do we need? let's get this done. you know what, i got 70% plus of my bills passed with the republican legislature. i'm begging folks on capitol hill. quit talking to the press all day. wit chitchatting around. get in a room, people's lives are depending on it. get in a room and negotiate.
that's what's important for america and virginia residents. i want this passed asap. it's critical for the future of out country. >> it is interesting that we're having these debates in front of cameras instead of going into the democratic caucus room and talking through this. the office isn't talking through this. they have no responsibility to give the media more story be about democrats and the headlines they want to run. you didn't negotiate when you were in congress through press releases? >> you can't do that. >> no, i did not. other means. terry, i had a friend ask me a couple days ago if you were having a tighter race than expected because you're trying to run for governor again in the state, where, you run for one term, and then you're out. you can run for another term if you want. >> yeah. yeah. >> and i started looking through virginia's history, i haven't seen another governor that's
actually come back and run again. and successfully do what you're trying to do now. so, the first question is, has anybody ever done that before? and the second question -- >> yeah. >> -- is the fact that it's so rare, do you think you may have a bit of a backlash like michael bloomberg had when he tried to seek that third term as mayor of new york city. >> is it has happened before. mills goodwin ran as a democrat and came back eight years later as a republican. that's the only time it's happened. i'm the first democratic nominee ever to be nominated twice as governor. nobody leaned in the black and brown community, the way you did on your pardons and restoration rights. i ban the confederate flag. and personal income went up 14%. unemployment dropped in every city and county.
so, i had leaders in the house and senate. i had leadership of the black caucus. all come to me and said covid has been brutal. we need you back. listen, i ran in a big primary. we had five people in the primary, as you know, i won every city and county that's the first time any democrat or republican has done that in 80 years. there's a lot of excitement and support. they needed us back. i'm the guy -- you know what i'm able to do, raise teacher pay above the national average for the first time after at-risk 3 and 4-year-olds, i'm going to get them pre-k. i'm going to get a second 23, start our own marketplace. i'm going to bring health care premiums cost and going after the drug companies and going to bring the drug prices down. this is a time with covid, we've seen inequities, 44% of small
businesses closed in this country. i've got more energy today than the day i was born. i am going to take this state to a level you've never seen before. we are going to take off like a booster rocket. you folks are all coming to virginia. i'll tell you, i'm excited. i'm excited thinking about the opportunities. helping people, lifting people up. i've got to keep my house and the attorney general, i'm telling you, folks, you want action, you come to virginia. we're going to be the model for getting the country out of covid crisis. it's a booming economy. that's just warming up. i'm going to the next level. >> okay. okay. >> it's intoxicating, virginia democratic gubernatorial candidate terry mcauliffe, thank you. >> mika, time to move to virginia. >> wow, do you hear that?
>> what president obama said what terry said is actually in richmond on october 2nd. also a note, we're in contact with republican glenn younkins, we hope to schedule him before the election as well. there's also a very interesting race for the state's lieutenant governor, and we will feature the top candidates before that election. you there go. we'll be right back. keep it right here on "morning joe." joe.
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hey, willie, who needs a morning show with ted lasso when you get terry mcauliffe. >> really excited since the day i was born. >> more excited than the day i was born. your book is -- >> it's called "righteous troublemakers." i wanted to write a book for women's movements, lgbtq. i wrote about a lady named gloria colvin who was arrested for sitting in front of the bus. why don't we know about her? paulie murray and others. because i felt that given the platform i've been given, we owe it to those who really make a movement who was never even credited. to write the stories and how everybody can learn that a movement is built on average
people. not just people that we consider talented. it's a must-read book. i'm as excited as terry mcauliffe about it. >> like the day you were born. >> i'm excited. and the race is one that the white house is watching careful, the virginia race. they know mcauliffe has similar ideologies. it's a bellwether race in an off-year election. they know he will win, mika. . it can be seen as a victory, a bit of a warning for democrats. virginia is for lovers. that does it for us this morning, yasmin vossoughian picks up the coverage right now. ♪♪ good morning, everybody. i'm yasmin vossoughian in for steph ruhle. it's tuesday, october 12th. here's what's going on at this hour. you've got breaking overnight, jon gruden, one of the most high-profile coaches in the