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nbc news projects republican glenn youngkin as the winner of virginia's governor's race. the question was it a referendum on the current commander in chief. we'll be listening to what president biden has to say about that as he returns to washington from overseas with democrats feeling the pinch at the ballot box and capitol hill. and the question is what could this mean for next year's midterms? and after defeating the houston astros, the atlanta braves for the first time since 1985. the question is, are braves fans still up right now celebrating this morning? it's "way too early" for this.
good morning, and welcome to "way too early," the show that can assure you that you'll see steve cognacky again soon. i'm jonathan lemire, on this wednesday, november 3rd. we'll start with the news and there is a lot. in a blow to democrats this morning, nbc news is projecting republican glenn youngkin has won the race for governor. youngkin spoke to supporters earlier this morning. >> my fellow virginians -- we stand here this morning at this defining moment, a defining moment that, yes, started with two people on a walk. and a defining moment that is now millions of virginians walking together.
together, together, we will change the trajectory of this commonwealth. >> according to nbc news exit polls, 52% of virginia voter has a favorable opinion of glenn youngkin. compared to 44% who had an unfavorable view of him. in direct contrast, 51% of virginia voters had an unfavorable opinion of terry mcauliffe who served as governor before. exit polls also showed 48% of virginia voters said that president biden was not a factor in this vote. 20% said, one reason for their vote for governor was to express support for biden. and 28% said one reason was to express opposition. former president donald trump was taking credit, as you'd expect for the projected republican victory in virginia, despite youngkin keeping him at arm's length during the campaign. in a series of statements last
night, trump wrote, in part, quote, i would like to thank my base for coming out in force and voting for glenn youngkin. without you, he would not have been close to winning. the maga movement is bigger and stronger than ever before. he also took aim at democrat terry mcauliffe, all mcauliffe did is talk trump, trump, trump. what does that tell you, they won't be doing that in person. trump and youngkin spoke multiple times during the course of the campaign to discuss strategy. this is different from youngkin's public approach where he tried to distance him from the former president who lost virginia by double digits a few months ago. meanwhile in new jersey, that governor's race is too close to call. the incumbent phil murphy and his republican opponent jack ciattarelli are tied at 49%. both cleared out their election nights with neither declaring
victory or conceding there. optimism from democrats. joining us josh bloomberg. i know you were up counting votes all night. this is undoubtedly a setback for democrats not just virginia, but new jersey where murphy was elected handedly the first time and biden of course easily carried last november. where do we stand, the morning after? what does this mean the first lessons for the democratic party? >> yeah, absolutely. joe biden took the year predicting they would win both the races he's 0 for 1x maybe 0 for 2, as you're saying, new jersey too close to call, too close for comfort when it comes to democrats. for joe biden there's going to be questions whether he's a drag on the ticket. democrats are pointing to similar polls indicating, look, this is more about local issues.
for viewers not in the virginia area in particular, i think democrats would say terry mcauliffe was not a dream candidate for them. and youngkin was a pretty good above average candidate for republics, and there are unique local issues. and broadly, i think the president will use this to renew his push for his build back better agenda. remember, mark warner, the senator from virginia who started winning in virginia when it was a lot harder for democrats to do that, has talked about he thought it would help the democrats, would have helped in the case if they had gotten not one but both of those bills done and waiting to see whether there will be progress this week done. >> and mcauliffe, basically, pleaded with democrats in washington to get the infrastructure bill done to have something to run on. of course, that did not happen. where do we think, though, with the democrats you talked to, would this be a wake-up call, will this be a sense of urgency that we need to pass the biden
agenda, or conversely scare some of them that saying we don't want to take a leap in a bill that is a bill for social spending. what lessons did they learn heading into the midterms next year? >> i think they'll take one lesson that's a risk, for lack of a better phrase. they were downplaying the results, saying the off cycle is not a big thing to read into. you look at the democratic candidate there appears to have lost to the incumbent she beat in the primary. there's an eye in the beholder type of thing. definitely, joe biden will take this, at least frame this to push whether they can get one in the coming days, we'll see. democrats right now are certainly not happy about these results. they want to be able to show they can do stuff. because if they can't do stuff, they think they're going to lose the house, maybe the senate too.
>> obviously, there's a risk of overdoing the monday morning quarterback routine, josh. we know the president got in late from europe. white house aides largely pleased i'm sure you talked to them as well. >> yeah. >> even if he didn't have the concrete climate provisions in hand. but a perception in politics this does seem to be a losing streak for the white house, and now the president's political capital get questioned? >> yeah, i think they're optimistic that, you know, they'll turn the corner on that pretty quick. the one change might have been lost yesterday when they were all paying attention to the virginia race. that we're about to start vaccinating kids 5 to 11. the cdc director signed off on that last night. that has been a milestone the biden administration has been waiting for. they hope that will turn it around. of course, they hope they will get passage in one or all of those bills in the coming days and weeks. you're right, they definitely
have been stuck in a rut. there are good signs that they're moving somewhere on those bills. but broadly, the economic rebound, that they were banking on, has cooled off a little bit. inflation remains a problem. the pace of new people getting vaccines has exploded to a crawl. 80% of adults have one shot. all of the things that joe biden talked about in the early months are slowing and definitely need something to talk about. >> certainly the manhood of the pandemic will probably be the deciding issue before democrats face voters against in the midterms. thank you, my friend. still ahead, opening statements get under way in the trial of kyle rittenhouse. we'll talk about what happened in the courtroom. plus republican lisa murkowski sides with democrats. now the legislation has a key test vote in the senate. those stories and a check on the weather, when we come right back.
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while now dealing with a stinging election night, democrats say they have settled one of the key disputes in the $1.75 trillion spending bill the cost of prescription bills. senate majority leader chuck schumer announced yesterday. it will allow to negotiate the price of some medicines, penalize for rising prices faster than inflation. and cap costs at seniors at $2,000 a year. democrats will say it will cap monthly insulin at $35. it's backed by the white house and has the endorsement of senator kyrsten sinema of arizona who negotiated the terms directly with house speaker nancy pelosi. sinema released a statement that reads in part this, the senator welcomes a new agreement on a historic transformative medicare drug negotiation, to ensure that
arizonians and americans continue to have life-saving medications and new cures and they're putsics. majority leader schumer celebrated the deal. >> i'm pleased to announce that an agreement has been reached to lower prescription drug prices for seniors and families in the build back better legislation. and senator sinema has told me she supports this agreement. so, i think we're there. it's not everything we all wanted. many of us would have wanted to go much farther, but it's a big step in helping the american people deal with the price of drugs. >> significant, indeed. democratic senator joe manchin of west virginia, and republican senator lisa murkowski of alaska, they signed on a vote rights bill. after the decision was made with dick durbin of illinois and senator pat leahy of vermont manchin released a statement saying he's committed to
building bipartisan support for the measure which, vote, addresses the 38s of voting rights across our nation without infringing on states' rights. the bill added that murkowski said the bill with broader consensus. the bill is expected to fail as senator murkowski, well, she's the only republican expected to vote in favor. jurors in the trial of kyle rittenhouse heard starkly different procedure trails of the 18-year-old in the opening trial yesterday. rittenhouse is charged with killing two men and wounding a third last summer. the associated press reported a kenosha, wisconsin, prosecutor said rittenhouse set the bloodshed in motion when he initiated the confrontation with a man that night and killed him with a gore to the back. but rittenhouse's attorney told the jury that his client acted in self-defense when others clubbed the teen and kicked him
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hello, champions! >> for the first time in morning a quarter century the atlanta braves are world series champions sealing their title last night with a 7-0 win over the houston astros in game six in texas. the win is the first shoutout in a world series game since 1995. and with a team that won in any other playoffs this is you're. and major league baseball stripped the all-star game from atlanta. and atlanta's jorge soler, off luis garcia. that thing left the ballpark. atlanta added two more runs in the fifth. two more on a swanson homer and another off the bats of freddie freeman. freeman, a longtime face of the
franchise now a free agent hit a solo shot to center field. max free who struggled badly turned in a gem allowed just four hits on the mound. tyler matzek to me start the seventh and will smith closed out the bottom of the ninth securing the braves world series championship. and the braves were under .400 in august. congrats to atlanta. it's not too early to turn our sights to next year. i miss baseball already. mgm gives the braves a 10% chance for next season. despite losing in the nlcs, the dodgers are early favorites 5-1, followed by the astros 8-1, chicago white rox, 12-1 as for the gritty america's team boston red sox, a mere 18 to 1. if you don't trust the
oddsmakers, you may want to look for trevor plouffe who accurately predicted that the braves win back in march. attaboy, trevor. and finally, the college football playoff committee has released its initial rankings. no surprises, georgia and alabama top the list at numbers one and two, followed by the big ten michigan state at number three, oregon out of the pac-12. outside of the playoffs, ohio state, number five, one behind that oregon team who it lost to in september. cincinnati at number six, the highest ranking ever for a group of five team. time now for the weather. let's go to meteorologist michelle grossman. good morning. >> first of all, congrats on becoming officially official. such a good add to the show. i just wanted to say that first. secondly, let's talk about the freeze warnings out there, we
poke out with temperatures in the 40s in new york. but we're going to fly to the 50s closer to sunrise. where you see the hot pink, that's the freeze warnings and purple freeze advisories as well. 48 million people impacted by this. look at these temperatures, you need the winter coat, if you haven't brought it out since last year, you need it. temperatures in the 40s in newark, washington, d.c., look at the temperatures in the midwest. below freezing in chicago. 29 degrees in cincinnati, and 33 degrees in evansville. so, this is the setup here. a jet stream so far to the south, it's sort of like a door that opens. lets that cold air in from canada, just spinning in that cold air. that cold air is all the way to dallas, 50 degrees. it's going to stay in place tomorrow. 55 in memphis. five in atlanta, look as we go towards thursday, friday, saturday, sunday, temperatures mainly in the 50s in new york city so below normal for this
time of year, then rein down by monday. and then a stationary front going to bring showers and storms we could see localized flash flooding in parts of southeastern texas, this is going to move to the southeast. we're looking at showers and storms in florida. and then the rainfall forecast. yeah, a chance of flooding in southeastern texas. and that will fly to the southeast tomorrow. so, back to you, jonathan. >> michelle grossman, thank you so much for the kind words. happy to be here. and for that forecast. we will talk to you again soon. still ahead, a look at some of the other big results from election day, including eric adams' projected win in new york city's mayoral race. before we go to break, we want to know, why are you awake? email me @jon lemire or tweet me. use the #waytooearly. we'll read the answers later on in the show. we'll be right back. k.
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♪♪ welcome back to "way too early." it's coming up on 5:30 on the east coast, 2:30 in the west. i'm jonathan lemire. nbc news is projecting victory eric adams in new york city's race, no drama here. the captain will be the second black leader for new york. >> this is the moment for the people who have hit the bend in the road.
a bend in the road is not the end of the road, as long as you make the turn. tonight we are going to make the turn and take our city in a new direction. >> adams also tweeted this, it's official, our five burrow knock every door reach over voter campaign was successful. we have won the race for mayor of new york city. this is my dream come true. and i couldn't be more proud to lead the city that we all love. eric adams will be a guest on "morning joe" a little later. meanwhile, history is being made in boston where the ap projected democratic city councilmember michelle wu will be the city's next mayor and the first woman and first woman of color to lead the city. wu defeated annissa essaibi george, ending the history of elected white men. >> so, one of my sons asked me the other night if boys can be
elected mayor of boston. they have been. and they will again some day, but not tonight. >> that's pretty great. the associated press is also projecting that minneapolis voters have rejected a proposal to replace the city's police department with a new department of public safety. the initiative would have changed the city's charter to remove a requirement that the police department maintain a minimum of officers but its opponents argue the proposal had no concrete plan for how to move forward. minneapolis is among a number of municipalities who have considered or tried to overwhul police departments after officer derek chauvin killed floyd by placing his knee on his neck for over nine minutes. chauvin was convicted of floyd's murder and sentenced it to 22
years in police. meanwhile, president biden is back in washington following his trip to europe. the president not commenting on terry mcauliffe's projected loss in virginia. just last week, the president campaigned with mcauliffe in effort to boost voter turnout for the democrats. and he also returns with still but not yet any scheduled agenda on the build back better. when asked yesterday if he thought that losses in virginia would reflect a referendum in virginia. he said this. >> i've not seen any evidence whether or not i'm doing well or poorly, whether or not i've got my agenda passed or not is going to have any impact on winning or losing. even if i had passed my agenda, i wouldn't claim we won because biden's agenda passed. joining me now, for politico,
and son to be my colleague. rumor has it, he's not been to sleep and has been up all night covering the election. >> sure, sure. >> there's the first piece of news we broke in the interview, eugene, obviously, this is a significant night for democrats and not in a good way. since the president took office. what are you hearing, people you that talked, to the initial first instinct reactions are lessons that democrats can learn from the loss in virginia, the possible loss if in new jersey with the midterms one year away? >> yeah, we're in the finger pointing stage of grieving here. and so what we've heard, especially from moderates in the house, moderates around the country is that they are worried that the sometimes the party is going too far left, right? they are blaming progressive policies, they're blaming progressives for not getting the biff done, to give terry mcauliffe something to run on,
he's obviously not in congress, but giving him something to run on in virginia. you say to people, democrats can get work done in washington, d.c. i'm a democrat, tangentially, you should think i can get work done as well. so that is where the party is. they also are really concerned and worried about what that can pour trend for next year, right? they have a year to kind of figure out what takeaways really make sense for them. because at this point, there's finger pointing. republicans, they had a pretty simple takeaway, right? they're able to do trumpism without trump. that's exactly what we saw with glenn youngkin. he was able to thread that needle in a way that a lot of republicans have been wanting to do. it's a blueprint for them. at this point, democrats have got to figure out what do they focus on? do they focus on the state elections? focus on the national issues, right? do they talk about those things do they talk about local issues? do they focus on the kitchen
table issues. one of those things i will say before i shut up here is that they've been talking -- the people i talked to today are saying what about those -- what about inflation? what about the gas prices, why aren't democrats talking about that more? one of those reasons is because president biden can't, you know, use a magic wand to fix those things. and so it's harder to find some kind of message around that. but they will have to do something. because the message that they have right now seems to not be breaking through. >> right. certainly, some democrats last night were texting, look, mcauliffe was a problematic candidate. he's not a fresh face. served before. he's not exciting any voters. and that youngkin, to his credit ran a really good race. and it's to have a balancing act with trump. but that doesn't change the fact that there's going to be, this highlights this divide on progressives versus moderates and it's about the blaming here. you hit on it, progressives are taking some heat for saying, oh,
you're trying to push biden too far to the left. that's not where he ran as a sent terrorist or moderate. and yet, progressives are saying, look, democrats here, this is one shot to do something big. and the midterms probably don't look can good because of historical trends, we've given up a lot more than moderates. how does do we do bridge the divide? or is it a wake-up call? >> i talked to folks that they hope it's a wake-up call. they're going to talk to their colleagues and make it a wake-up call. and with the moderates saying, you know, the reason that bbb hasn't gone to president biden's desk is because of people like joe manchin. when he wrote that "wall street journal" op-ed to pump the brakes on the reconciliation bill. one of the things that we saw in the 2020 election is that there is still that finger pointing. so it doesn't seem like that
gulf is anywhere closer to being bridged. and more importantly, there's a lack of trust, a further lack of trust, after the negotiations of reconciliation bill, and that's one of the things they'll have to get over, too. figuring out how to bridge the gaps ideologically, but also looking at the trust that's been lost between the two sides of the democratic party at this point. >> yeah. i think that's going to be a persistent thing, even as some democrats note, the year's governor's race comes after the prudential, and the person who wins the prudential loses the other race. that's not going to stop the finger pointing as you pointed out between moderates. eugene daniels, get some sleep. still ahead, an out of this world celebration. "way too early" back in a moment. in a moment
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a cdc panel is clearing the way for children ages 5 to 11 to get their covid vaccines. the agency's director signed off on approving pfizer's vaccine yesterday making 28 million children eligible to get their shots starting today. president biden is highly supportive of the vacates seen. a statement after approval from the president reads this, we have reached a turning point in our battle against covid-19. authorization of a safe and effective vaccine for children paige 5 to 11. it will allow parents to end months of anxious worrying about their kids and reduce the extent to which children spread the virus to others. it is a major step forward in our nation to fight the virus. joining to us talk about this,
physician and fellow at the brookings institute dr. kavita patel. he's an msnbc contributor. thank you, doctor for being here, we appreciate it. some experts suggest, they estimate about half of u.s. parents say they intend to get their children vaccinated. but about 37% use the reason, side effects, for citing why they won't get the vaccine with possibilities like allergic reactions, fever, other top concerns. walk us through. let's start with there. what are some side effects that are common for children in that age, 5 to 11? how serious are they? and what would your message be to parents about those concerns? >> yeah, so, jonathan, this is actually pretty incredible. because even for all of the other vaccines that we've been talking about, moderna, pfizer and johnson & johnson, and used to saying fevers in children like the flu, interestingly enough, in this reduced amount in pfizer in thousands of children that they observed and
certainly getting data in realtime. they didn't see the fevers and severe reactions. they saw mostly localized reaction to skin where the injection went in. and in terms of a serious adverse event or even approaching serious adverse events there were none observed. in general, with this vaccine, children have robust immune responses. so we do feel confident that this reduced dose helps to offset what we might have seen in the 12 and up age group that got a full adult-size dose. that's good news. >> good news indeed. that age range, 5 to 11, these are all students going to school every day. now that the vaccine is available, what is your sense of whether vaccine mandates perhaps should be put in place for school systems? >> yeah, i think you're sharing in general, including myself. look, i'm a big vaccine kind of advocate where the benefits
outweigh the risks or they do here. i do think you need to allow parents to have conversations with pediatricians. that takes time, i went ahead and booked my kids, the portals are live now, jonathan. i don't blame parents for just wanting to talk it over. i don't think you'll see widespread mandates this year. i do expect in fall of 2022, this will be one of the immunizations required just like measles, mumps, rubella and others. >> i'm excited my children, ages 10 and about to be 7, also we have appointments next week as well. doctor, i want to get your opinion on the turning point, the reflection on the virus, do you think he's right? how will this change how we handle the pandemic? >> yeah. so, the evidence demonstrated yesterday from the cdc advisory committee showed that even
vaccinating half can decrease by eight which is a significant number. cases are coming down, certainly not fast enough. this will not only contribute to decreasing viral cases but what the president is alluding to, the fact that we can have vaccinations, millions of students in schools kept out of school because of issues. we can have that freedom back literally in weeks. that's what happens after vaccination. we start to see the improvements after the dose. that puts us in the spring and that becomes a very sunny option. i do think the president is right. having said that the key word of the year is complacency. we've seen that in the uk where they've been complacent and cases are decreasing. and we have to watch that we don't fall in that pattern. >> dr. patel, you're certainly right to warn of the risks but this is a good day. thank you very much. earlier on the show we asked the
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do you have a specific commitment from senator manchin to support your build back better bill, yes or no, and how do you respond to those criticisms? >> i'm not going to talk about the specifics of my conversations. he will vote for this. in this proposal, he is anticipated to looking at the fine details of what comes out of the house and the initiatives. i believe that joe will be there. i think that -- i understand joe is looking for the precise detail, to make sure nothing got slipped in, in terms of the way in which the legislation got written that is different than he acknowledged he would agree to. but i think we'll get this done.
>> president biden speaking there in scotland yesterday, says he is confident senator joe manchin will vote in favor of the build back better act, despite the senator's call to slow down the passage of the agenda. joining us, co-founder of punchbowl news, anna palmer, a contributor and friend of the show. thank you for being here. one of manchin's objections in the news conference this week that angered a lot of fellow democrats was he said there were, quote, budget gimmicks. what are his main concerns? >> i think this is going to be a concern you'll hear a lot from moderates. it is why they're saying they don't want to vote for this bill in the house until they actually have it scored. these budget gimmicks are everything from how they're going to pay for it on taxes, in terms of what it'll have on the salt caps, the extension for the five year. he also has issues with how they're going to do things on medicare and medicaid provisions. it's not one question for
senator manchin. how does speaker nancy pelosi convince her moderates to support it, despite terry mcauliffe's loss last night. >> let's explore a little further, virginia. mcauliffe loss. in new jersey, phil murphy is in a too close to call race, and his future is uncertain. the early hours after the results, what have you been hearing from democrats? what do they need to conclude from yesterday, and how could that, indeed, impact the size, scope, and timeline on this legislation? >> i mean, there was a lot of predictions that terry mcauliffe was in trouble before the results last night. i think democrats have been trying to figure out what does this mean? i think when it comes to the moderates, there's going to be a real effort. joe manchin is not going to be a man unto himself. there's going to be a lot of moderates questioning whether or not the build back better act is the right, you know, course of action here. to spend that much money when, clearly, democrats are going to be in trouble going into the midterms. you're going to have to see what
does that mean in terms of, can they get this done by the end of the week like the speaker expected, or are we looking to potentially end of november/december negotiations continuing because of some of these issues around just how much they're looking to spend and whether or not democrats are going to have the fortitude to pass it in the house, go to the senate. it'll have a lot of changes that will happen based on reconciliation, and have to go back and pass it again. that's a lot of votes for moderates to take when they're concerned for their own electoral future. >> despite pouring some cold water on the immediate timeline, manchin thought a deal could be reached by thanksgiving. you got into the timeline a bit will. how could this play out? do these two bills get separated, or do they have to come at the same time because that's what progressives want? >> so far, they're twinned together. we don't see any real momentum for the bipartisan infrastructure package passed
without the reconciliation package. we'll have to see how that plays out. i do think, to your point in terms of timing, you know, the speaker had hoped they would have a bill passed on both of these by the end of the wee. i think that timing is difficult, particularly because we don't have bill text yet. the moderates said they want 72 hours at least to review that bill. that puts friday at the earliest. even the political dynamics, this could slip for at least a week, if not more than that. to the point of what i was trying to get into a little bit is, this is going to be a ping-pong. the house has to pass this reconciliation bill. it'll go to the senate. it'll have to go through all the procedures to make sure that it cleared the parliamentarian reconciliation package rules. then there is going to be a vote-o-rama. could be a lot of votes with twists and turns there, as well. then it'll go back to the house for final passage. >> anna palmer of punchbowl news, we appreciate this. we will see you again soon.
it is certainly a consequential day here for democrats dealing with the loss of virginia, a surprisingly close race in new jersey that could still go either way. there are, of course, a number of historic mayoral elections as well. a noteworthy and consequential election day in 2021. we're going to be digging through all of that all day here on msnbc. thank you for getting up "way too early" with us on this wednesday morning. a jam-packed "morning joe" starts now. so jam-packed, we're starting early. >> my fellow virginians. we stand here this morning at this defining moment. a defiepdefining moment that, y started with two people on a walk, and a defining moment that is now millions of virginians
walking together. together, together, we will change the trajectory of this commonwealth. >> nbc news projects republican glenn youngkin is the winner of virginia's high profile race for governor. with 99% of the expected vote in, youngkin leads democrat terry mcauliffe by about 72,000 votes. and let's go to new jersey to the governor's race there. it is too close to call right now. incumbent democrat phil murphy and his republican challenger jack ciattarrelli are tied at 49.6%. both campaigns cleared out of their election night parties with neither declaring victory nor conceding. and one contest that was not too close