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there. listen, at the end of the day, children are affected by this. and yes, i understand people are saying children, they're not at the same risk level as adults, and i get that. at the end of the day to your point he is just asking kids to go out there and encourage them not to be afraid of getting vaccinated. it is one of those head scratchers i have to admit. bizarre. thank you very much my friend and great opening monologue, they're about critical race theory. thanks for putting a spotlight on that. coming up republicans continue to sow doubt in our elections as the criminal investigations into donald trump's effort to overturn the results in georgia, georgia secretary of state, will join me live. in just a moment to talk about that and much more. plus, this week the supreme court heard arguments on two of the most divisive how his shoes in this country. abortion and second amendment. we're going to look into what's the justices ask and what that might tell us about how they will rule. and home aberdeen the former longtime aide to hillary clinton is out with a new memoir, later this evening,
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about her life in the spotlight and her advice to democrats dealing with some tough elections outcome. i'm ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. who all right, so we begin tonight with a question does the republican party trust elections, it's pure and simple in new jersey, what was expected to be a easy reelection for democratic governor phil murphy, turned out to be a tight race. republican candidate jack ciattarelli, is also digging in his heels refusing to concede, despite the fact that murphy has a clear majority of more than 60,000 votes as of this hour. in the run up to the election in virginia the republican candidate, glenn youngkin, repeatedly called for audits of election machines. and former president trump, said he was ready to yell fraud if the race was even close. then on tuesday youngkin secured a slim victory in the virginia governor's race. and miraculously, lo and behold,
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those results were immediately accepted remember those calls for audit? suddenly not such an urgent concern. even president trump seemed to accept the results out of virginia. he released a statement, thanking his base for showing up for youngkin. so do republicans trust elections now? i guess it really depends on whether they win or not. let's remember this, why we're asking this question in the first place. on this day, last year, november 7th, nbc news called the 2020 pledge of the election for joe biden. >> the moment the entire country has been waiting for, after a very close race. nbc news now projects that joe biden has won the keystone state, pennsylvania, and its 20 electoral votes. >> and that means we cannot project that former vice president, joe biden, has been elected president of the united states. he is president, a light. joseph robin at -- >> 365 days later, there are
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still people, in this country that denied joe biden's victory. including his opponent, former president donald trump. earlier this fall, trump held a rally in one of the states he lost, georgia. and there, he repeatedly complained that georgia's governor, brian can't, refused to reverse's defeat or call a special election. >> i said, brian, listen, you have a big election integrity problem in georgia. i hope you can help us out and call a special election. let's get to the bottom of this for the good of the country. let's get to the bottom of it for the good of your state. let's go, election integrity the. what can be better than that? say i'm sorry, no i cannot do this? >> so those remarks should be of great interest for the district attorney's office which has been quite assembly a case against the former president. for his attempts to overturn the reduction. on saturday, we learned that the district attorney's close paneling the special grand jury in the investigation, which may lead to charges against donald trump. now, key focus of that investigation, that january 4th
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phone call between trump and georgia secretary of state brad. that's the call were then pressured brad raffensperger, to find him the votes to win. >> so, tell me, brett, what are we going to do? we won the election, and it's not fair to take it away from us like this. and it's going to be very costly in many ways. and i think you have to say that you're going to re-examine it, and you can re-examine it, but reexamined it with people that want to financers. not people who don't want to financers. >> whatever that means. now the man on the other end of that phone call is speaking out, and the fallout from the 2020 election, brad raffensperger, refused to go along with trump's big lie. and by doing so, he became public enemy number one for trump supporters. he was inundated with death threats and even escorted out of georgia state capital, on january six, when protesters entered the building looking for him. in his new book, integrity counts, brad raffensperger,
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recounts what took place before and after that now infamous phone call. georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger, joins me now. mister secretary, thank you so much for your time this evening. i wanted to start with that infamous phone call, and in your book, you say that you felt then, you still believe today that the former president threatened to. i know that prosecutors, in fulton county, opened a criminal investigation into trump's investigation for overturning the results last february. i know that you have not been interviewed for that investigation. but you have expressed a willingness to do so. if you tell investigators the same details that you share to your book that i have read. do you believe that it is enough to charge the former president with criminal charges? >> well, good evening, i am a structural engineer and i know numbers but i don't pretend to practice law. so we will let the lawyers decide on what that arises tool or what doesn't rise to. but put the one hour ten minute
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conversation in my book, it was my observation at various points. because, during that conversation with president trump i want to be respectful and also let him know that he doesn't run the state of georgia. he said that that phone call at 5000 people voted, there's actually less than five. -- we saw that those numbers were done. he said that there were thousands of people voted, but there's less than 70. for the said 66,000 underage voters, there weren't a single. one so, point by point, we responded to all of that, and actually, on january six i was writing a letter with my general counsel and we've got it up to our congress group and men. and also our senator, rebutted every single allegation that was made. as a post election. >> i know that earlier this year you blamed, quote, both sides for tolerating a climate of violence that has impart led to death threats. election officials against you in your own family. the people who stormed the capitol on january 6th, to be clear, and forced to to
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evacuate your own office on that same day in georgia, they were not people from both sides? the few congressional republicans have spoken out against the president like you have, have either been stripped of leadership positions, or they have retired because they don't feel that they can win primaries. how do you justify remaining a republican in the party that punished those who don't embrace trump's big lie? >> first off, -- i don't support any violence because law enforcement being at the capitol were out in portland. but, as it relates to the election process, i want to make sure that we have the fairness election and we tried to do that. but we have been fighting this narrative of stolen election claims from both stacey, and president trump. he is out a whole higher level. but she really set the platform. in fact, many of trump's court cases were all word for word for what stacey abrams people alleged. hers was voter suppression, his was voter fraud.
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none of them were supported by the truth. and the candidates, really need to know how to lose gracefully, and to not run again. but they have to really accept the will for people when they do come up short. >> i have been watching a lot of your interviews this. week i have seen that you have been referencing stacey abrams. so i anticipated that you are going to make that reference. for me, it just seems like a bit of a stretch to be honest with you. stacey abrams did not call you, did not threaten, you did not ask you to find votes she did not call in her followers to storm the capital. i know that you said that donald trump came along and ramped up the rhetoric that you say stacey abrams started. i want to just, if i can, play for you the reaction from stacey abrams and donald trump. watch this. >> as i have always said, i acknowledge that the very beginning that brian kemp won under the rules that were in place. but i object to, the rules that
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permitted thousands of georgia voters to be denied their participation in this election. there are votes that were cast it up. and so i will continue to disagree with this system until it is fixed. >> and let me play for you what donald trump said speaking to you in a phone call last december. >> so, look all i want to do is this, i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state. >> again, to be clear, it was never stacey abrams gold to overturn the election, but change rules for future elections. and trump asked due to quote, find votes to overturn the results. you do except that difference, right? >> no, would i do except is that both of them, what they have done, is really trying to undermine the legitimacy of -- >> i am sorry, that point of --
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if i can -- if i could just made that point of distinction you do acknowledge that she is not asking to overturn the results of a lit election, she is not asking to overturn the -- >> well, what's she said in her statement that she played was not based on anything that could be supported and what she hit us with, was nine lawsuits and we won every single one of those lawsuits, pushed back, because they weren't supported by the fact. just like the president trump. he had all his teams had lawsuits, and none of them were hit with fact base. and he got kicked out in the court of law, and prevailed, and never in single case. but what it does is that these states realize that it destroys voters trust in the election process, and that's not healthy for america. >> sorry, so the exact match lawsuit, but stacey abrams has filed. that is still working its way through the courts, no? >> no. what's working to the courts right now, is actually going back to the old discarded
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machines -- >> right but her argument about claims in georgia through legal processes-ing let me put this up on the screen just to show you, because if you look at what donald trump did, on the day of his challenge in georgia, they were dismiss the very next day. is that correct? >> virtually, the very next day, in all cases. yes -- >> so when you look at what stacey abrams did, again, some of the things that she was arguing for in the state of georgia actually work their way through legal proceedings. which, you would concede, it's a normal process in the election. that if you have a complaint, you have the legitimate right to pursue those challenges in legal courts. is that not correct? >> and we make sure that before we reject any by these wood signature have to set advise others reviews to make sure that the signature truly was,
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them and then actually give people an opportunity to hear that. but that is one of the reasons why we moved away from this, because we say that both the democrat party at the republican parties are signature match. they objective measures, that they have been using now, that we've been ministers for over ten. years driver's license numbers, and photo i.d.s. >> so it is something, that the courts essentially agreed with with stacey abrams, that that is something that could've been done better? >> well, we are always looking at how to improve the process. -- >> right, but you are making equivalency, and more equipment seeds for donald trump in abrams, and i'm saying that is that no part of the problem? that you are trying to acquit, somebody who tried to overturn an election with someone who is trying to improve an election. and i'm surprised that you can see the similarities, i'm sorry the differences between those two arguments. you think that they are one in the same. >> well, stacey abrams, three weeks ago in virginia said just because the wind doesn't mean you one. so, right there it's really
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touchy. she still hasn't conceded that she did lose. and it's just really not helpful, and really destabilizes the society. we left or right, i think we really need to hold both sides accountable. >> all right, listen, i know section of your book outlines but you have the strength to stand against all those attacks and misinformation, i know that you write your parents and still values in, you know, you think it's important to have grit honesty courage, integrity, hard work, loyalty, faithfulness, manners, perseverance. those are words that you used in your book. just abundant this up a, bit you want to read a tweet that you said last week after the braves won the world series. you wrote, congrats to the braves on becoming world series champs. let's hope stacey abrams accepts the result. does that feel like good manners to you? if this all just the thing to appeal to the base with the -- icy that you're laughing, but quite honestly do you think that the way up to donald trump, you want after stacey abrams. does that feel like good managed to you? >> well, every once in a while,
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it's fun to treat people. and we lost probably $109, and we lost the all-star game all based on untruths that she -- we actually increase the number of days for voter days from 16 to 17, and -- >> so you think that that was good manners? i'm not asking you to talk about as we, but we can talk about that, and i don't mind getting into that, but i'm asking you do you think that that was good manners, not to go after the president who tried to overturn the election but going after stacey abrams who is trying to improve elections? >> well, she used to really getting people questioning her results and her wisdom that's her decision and that was a little dry humor, and if you don't find a funny, well, perhaps you are just too serious about life? >> i'm sorry, that -- was, i'm just using your words, you said you cared about good matters, and i was just asking if you felt like that was good matters. that was really what i was
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asking. >> when the left begins to really clean its house of, and the right cleans his house, that is really what needs to happen. the left about the right and sometimes, -- but we really need to clean up our house, and to clean up and to have honest conversations, and, and -- i'm georgia secretary of state, what thank you so much for your. time really appreciated. >> for more on trump's to overturn the 2020 election as a result, stay with me at the top of the, hour for the four seasons total documentary, airing tonight, at 10 pm, those into just rudy giuliani's press conference came about and afterwards you can catch my interview with the direct to the film as well as the owner of four seasons total landscaping murray's arrival and her son michael. you do not want to miss that. but next, the supreme court has both guns and abortions on their agenda, walking into what could only be a highly
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controversial term. also later this, our huma abedin, former aide to clinton, has worked from this feat. as democrats continue with those recent opening election lawsuits. but first, richard louis is here with the. headlines him and good evening to you some sports are washing to you, has been filed before travis scott in live nations and an incident to go in the constant on houston friday night friday night at least eight people died and dozens were injured. a toddler in a moving car was killed after being struck by a stray bullet, the child was rushed to california's oakland children's hospital. officials believe the family was not the intended target. some countries banned marvels eternal's film, kuwait in qatar among the countries manning the film over its depiction of a same-sex relationship act checks angelenos only from the movie says she is that for the audiences who will not get the watch. it more with a man heading after this. after this
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narrow the court will go in terms of clarifying this second amendment case. joining me now to the best court watches in the game mark joseph stern is a professor at loyola law school, it's great to have both of you with us. mark, let's start with you let's start with this case you're in texas de abortion law. -- this case and why texas believes that is on reviewable, and the implications has rather states. >> so this law bans abortion after six weeks of pregnancy, but rather than allowing state officials to enforce mitt, it tasks private individuals, essentially random bounty hunters to sue any abortion provider, or anyone who aids or batson abortion provider for $10,000 in state court. the whole idea here, is to describe abortion supporters of any official to sue forcing them to simply shut down all
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operations, forcing clinics to close their doors for fear of crippling lawsuits that could rain and if they dare to defy the law. it has so far successfully abated federal judicial review, in an order last september the supreme court essentially shrugged it off and said there is nothing we can do about it right now. but that seems like it might change after these arguments. >> just go what did you make of wednesday's arguments, the questions that justices went about asking those questions. many court watchers will leave him majority of the court might be willing to let texas abortion providers continue their challenge against the state law, why would one conclude that? >> i agree with that based on the questions, and i think basically because the supreme court realizes they don't want to give up their power, and they don't want federal courts to give up their power when it comes to similar laws. so imagine the other states start passing similar laws that basically outsourced
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enforcement to private individuals, or laws dealing with other issues like let's say gun rights. they think the main thing that i heard is the supreme court understanding why would we ever say that a state can insulator all from us. why would we give up our responsibility, and our power? what i also heard justice kavanaugh saying is, really focusing on this idea of blue states could do this to? maybe with respect to gun rights, and outsourced enforcement for laws that might be unconstitutional, but really protective, really pro gun control. i think for those reasons the supreme court will say no no, let that law go forward, let that suit go forward. >> just to pick up on that point of the gun ceremony, their case on the new york on law, how likely is it that this law gets thrown out? what are the implications of that for the rest of the country? >> i think it's very likely that the supreme court strikes
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down the new york law that really limits concealed carry, and that will have ramifications in the six other states including california, that have nearly identical laws. the biggest question to me, is what kind of language does the court use? does it use sweeping rhetoric that caused all kinds of other gun restrictions into question as well? and i think it might. we have justice alito, asking about the hellish subways of new york, a mad max dystopian his mind where everyone needs a gun just to be safe from all of the crooks and criminals looking around every corner. these are very privileged people, with very perverse ideas about the perils of the real world. they seem to empathize most with similar folks who believe that they have to be packing up at all times if they want to defend themselves and their families. >> so jessica, to that point experts have suggested it is likely that the court could issue a narrow decision by
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ruling against the new york and law, but not in a sweeping way as mark was just alluding to their. do you agree with that? and could that mean we will see similar narrow ruling on abortion in this case? >> that is a great question. so a few things to pick up on, mark points this idea that there are six other laws. so even if the court writes a narrow ruling, what does that really mean. it's worth emphasizing that 25% of the american population lives and one of those states. that is still a really big impact, even with a narrow ruling could they write that language narrowly. i think it depends on which flank of the supreme court, which flank of the conservative supreme court really winds. are you going to see justice thomas justice alito saying no we are going big, i have been waiting for ten years or second amendment case. or you're gonna see justice roberts fall back and say a little more narrow. in terms of abortion, obviously when it comes to the subsequent
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question where do we stand on roe v. wade, that case will be argued on december 1st with mississippi's law. i increasingly suspect that because you hear the court defend itself so much lately, and public speeches. that it will write a fairly narrow ruling, but they will uphold mississippi's law, and it will totally eviscerate roe. >> while that is quite a production there. you do have to wonder if there is a pr push by the justice is going out in public and speaking in ten of these last couple weeks. mark, how conscious given the fact that they're all these public statements by the justices, how conscious do you think the core is, or seems to be, on the fact that is sweeping decision on any of these high profile cases could panic half the country, could alarm have the country, is that something you can get a sense of from the oral arguments? to the point that we are hearing from, jessica, if this becomes to destroy roe v. wade,
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that is a different ball game for this country, and certainly for women in this country. >> yeah, we get that sense from the justices oral arguments, we got it in the written orders just recently the six just dismiss already just refused to take a law. and justice coney barrett joined by kavanaugh rose separately to say essentially guys we hear you with all the shadow docket stuff, we are tapping the brakes, we're not going to plow headfirst into a new controversy just because we can. i think it's clear that at least some of the conservative justices perceive this outcry and they are going to try and -- decisions that follow as. all right mark joseph, jessica thank you. for breaking down all of the supreme court's development. next, an interview with hillary clinton's right hand woman, huma abedin, on power and representation in politics.
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grappling with difficult questions after a string of electoral losses. but they may find inspiration from an unlikely source. my next is ready to share her story after spending more than two decades behind the scenes as a senior aide to, hillary clinton, huma abedin, found herself inexplicably late to the devastating electoral laws. something she detailed closely in her new memoir. both and. a life in many worlds. but at the dean's political career and her story is bigger than one moment, constitutive lee bigger than her redistillation ship with hillary clinton. here is my earlier conversation with huma abedin. let us begin with the first question, and i wanted to specifically start with this because it is something that is very personal to me. and it is something i heard you talk about, over the last couple of days. what is the correct
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pronunciation of your name? how would you like to be pronounced. >> i have gone through all the different names in my book, if you listen to the audio. it is pronounced houma. but most people say houma. and i respond to both. but it is pronounced houma. >> i'm going to go with him, not the proper pronunciation. it is great to have you. here i appreciate you taking time for us. i know it's been a crazy weekend busy week. but i wanted to first of all talk to you about your book and get your thoughts. you know, as somebody who is very close to power in washington d.c.. in the lessons that you have learned in terms of election losses because this is a bit of a setback for democrats this week with some of the elections they lost. what lessons do you have for some of the candidates, and some of those in politics based on your experience and what democrats in virginia just went through? >> look, i think that the best advice that i can give is we just have to stay focus, and
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get reorganized, and keep the agenda and enthusiasm, an election recycle. and we're in the midst of a cycle. president biden is trying to do some very difficult things in washington. he just got one very big thing done this morning. we just have to stay focused. it is a long -- [laughs] >> i know that you write in the book about being a muslim woman. you talk about growing up in saudi arabia. and the worldview that was shaped by your experiences overseas and how your parents raised you in experiences there. and i was wondering, i know you talked about this a little bit in the book, but elaborate on how your world view and experiences that you've had growing up before you came to university in washington d.c. shaped the experience that you've had in the heights of american political power. >> my parents were to immigrants, my father from india, my mother came from pakistan, they were full bright scholars, for them education
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was a religion, they met at the university of pennsylvania. and when i was too, i was born in michigan, my father was diagnosed with -- 20 had 5 to 10 years to live. it was one of the lines around in my book. so we went out with my father, and i think one of the greatest gifts that my parents gave us was this curiosity about the world. they took us to all different places and culture, and we learn different languages and religions. and i think it's because my father, what motivated both my parents, was this notion of trying to understand the other. his colleagues would say, don't go into these places and have conversations were even agents field to. and my father was exactly the opposite, it's important to talk to the other side and tried to understand. it and i think when i landed in the white house, in 1996, as a 21-year-old intern, having that grounding appreciating and understanding different cultures, and also bringing a whole new culture, there weren't a lot of muslims wondering around the white house in 1996. it was an administration that
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really welcomed and was curious about me, and my life experience. and as a result, i had the opportunity to do some amazing things, i mean how many 24-year-olds were wandering around camp david. and i was, there i had the privilege of being there, because of hillary clinton. >> i'm going to get into, that but i know that your identity was weaponized and used against you. and i think it's a lot of something that muslims had to endure in their professional lives. i wanted to play for, you this, i know that in 2012, you got attacked. but i want to play you this, sound from sean government. but he had something to say about your identity as, well listen to this. >> why are we talking about huma abedin, and her ties to the muslim brotherhood. why are we talking about the fact that she wasn't and inter of -- >> she doesn't -- to the muslim brotherhood. >> when you heard elected officials talk about you that way and weaponize your faith and identity and try to say
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that the member of the muslim brotherhood infiltrated to as higher. what did that make you feel, what impact did that have on your family? did it ever impact the work that you do? >> it was arguably the most devastating personal experience that i've had in my years and government. and for me, i come from that part of the world where your reputation is everything. and to have it sullied, what made me infuriated about, it and number one, i want to note, it wasn't just me. they attacked other muslims, high-ranking muslims and government. and it was an appetizer for what was coming in 2016, and 2020. but the fact that it was the very opposite of what my father and mother's journal stood for, it was all about their standing in fate. it was hypocrisy. it was shocking. i really had a very hard time dealing with it. and when john mccain went to the floor of the senate to defend my family and president
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obama at the time did the same thing, they were defending, me but it wasn't just defending me, they were defending american values and ideals, this is not who we are as americans. and it is one of the many reasons i wrote the book. it's part of the both ends. i can be american patriot, and also a proud muslim. >> so how did, that also the flip side to that question, were there ever moments, obviously you work at the state department, and you worked on issues of foreign policies, were there ever moments where you found the foreign policies were at odds with their own personal values? and tried to shape based on what you had experience, on and what you had. seen were there ever moments where the policy rubbed up against things that you personally thought were going in the wrong direction, that you tried to change? >> i just want to reiterate, i was not a policy person, and i did appreciate from day one that, you know, in the clinton white house, they were celebrating ramadan for the first-time. and every time i would have an idea or suggestion, it was
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welcomed, and it was accepted. i read in the, book the painful night of the iraq vote. under president george w. bush administration, there was personally difficult for. me i recount that, where my american phone calls, me and i hope hillary clinton was not gonna vote for that war. and those were difficult personal moments for. me so i have no problem expressing my views, and then obviously, the air, spring i had lots of personal opinions working at the state department, at the time, but also as a young woman who grew up in saudi arabia, it was very hard to explain that i did not personally believe that democracy the way that a lot of the western governments see it as, you know what other countries believe is how their government should be run. we are still seeing that play out, and it's been a decade since the spring, and there is a lot that is still composing. >> absolutely, and it's a
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chapter that is still to be written it seems. let me ask you finally, just because you worked with obviously one of the most influential, most important, women politicians in this country's history since we've had since a woman elected to the role of vice president. talk to us a little bit about the glass ceiling that has been broken. and more importantly, given how toxic our current politics are, what do you say, or which this country do to recruit more women politicians and to get more women politicians to the highest level of government? >> for me, i'm doing right now the thing that scares me the most. and that is sitting, and speaking, and being out in the world. and one piece of advice i give to anyone woman who asked me for advice, is do the thing that scares you the most. and if you are, i think about 2016, all the benefits and advantages, and i think a lot of young women woke up and said this is not the kind of government or world i want to see. and i'm going to participate and i'm going to change that on a record number of women who run in 20, and 2018 is
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phenomenal. and watching kamala harris take that oval office was nothing more than inspiring. and i think it's inspiring for us women who care about our country. >> all right huma abedin thank you so much. i greatly appreciated. thank you so much >> thank you for having. me >> coming, up how backlash against telling the truth about american history in the classroom is impacting indigenous people. we will speak live with the collective president. president mily just ordinary eggs when they can enjoy the best? eggland's best. the only eggs with more fresh and delicious taste. plus, superior nutrition. which is now more important than ever. ♪♪ there's a different way to treat hiv. it's once-monthly injectable cabenuva. cabenuva is the only once-a-month, complete hiv treatment for adults who are undetectable. cabenuva helps keep me undetectable. it's two injections,
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race theory. they are being taught history. so when somebody here in our county is upset that the second grade child was taught that christopher columbus was killed many indigenous people, that is part of history. that is what christopher columbus did. so, i have a hard time when -- i think kids have to learn the good the bad and ugly. >> the we do a fact take on the christopher columbus story as, well but critical race theory is a bit of a misnomer because what is happening is that there is a reformed thinking and approach to history that teaches the country was founded in racism. you can say critical race theory is a legal theory that is more found in colleges. so maybe giving at that label has thrown some people off, but it doesn't mean there are not things being taught that are teaching kids that there are sort of inherent totally victims or oppressors. >> people have to agree to disagree on that. >> all. right >> i have different thoughts and feelings on.
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that >> oh my god. i don't even know where to begin with that one guys. we are just going to have to leave it. there when we come back, conversations about the teaching of critical race theory in schools often fall into a black and white economy, but native american activists and scholars arguably say that we should not overlook the manufacture our round crtc, affects native communities. we're are going to talk about that next. that next. (judith) in this market, you'll find fisher investments is different than other money managers. (other money manager) different how? don't you just ride the wave? (judith) no - we actively manage client portfolios based on our forward-looking views of the market. (other money manager) but you still sell investments that generate high commissions, right? (judith) no, we don't sell commission products. we're a fiduciary, obligated to act in our client's best interest. (other money manager) so when do you make more money? only when your clients make more money? (judith) yep, we do better when our clients do better. at fisher investments we're clearly different. we're making the fagioli!
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out an election win in virginia by making critical race theory a top issue and just again just to be clear for the viewers, the schools are not actually teaching crtc. but how history is being taught is a completely separate issue in the country. many of us have entered adulthood with an incomplete, whitewash narrative of how this country is going to. be and some may find it uncomfortable to learn about other than american exceptionalism. she explains it like. this it is absolutely simple. if you can feel pride and things that you didn't personally take part, and then you can feel shame in things you didn't personally take part. and some of you are motivated to make this hard, but it's only because you want the glory of our history, but not the burden. it is native american history. we are asking, what are the consequences of this of whitewashing americas path. and what damages have already
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caused what -- damages have they already caused to the indigenous people. joining me now, is president and ceo of the indian collective and citizen oh loo loop how to nation. it is great to have you with us. or if i can ask you right off the bat, 2018 survey found that 20% of americans don't believe that native americans exist, we saw that exchange right before the commercial there. it is a staggering number. what is your sense of just how unaware an informed many americans can be when it comes to indigenous people? >> thank you for having me. it's -- my nation i'm very proud of my nation. . it is massive there's 26 states in the united states that don't teach any american indian history 26 states in which it is not part of any of the colon in states like south dakota
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they are trying to reduce the amount of native american history and all essential understandings in schools. and so, you know it has a profound impact on native people, but also has a profound impact on society because education has been one of the fundamental ways to try and actively erase indigenous people from history, so if we are in a time of this country we are beginning to actually have a reckoning with our past, we have to teach accurate history. critical race theory has become this talking point of over politicize, let's tell the truth. the next generation of kids need to know the truth, and the truth needs to be taught, in all schools of america. >> i know that there was in a recent interview with the nation interview the native activists who recounted the story of a woman, i said to a quote, i thought we killed all of you? >> it's just horrifying even to read something like that when
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it is already like. this what happens if some people in positions of power are successful in further limiting the teaching of history in classrooms across the country? >> it will impact every aspect of life, of indigenous people, in this country there are 574 tribes that are doing amazing things for their communities and for their people. many of the indigenous communities are people who are from the climate justice movement and fighting for the liberation of our land and our people. and the more and more that they may attempt to try and races, the harder that it has an impact on our people. and i think that, you know, indigenous people in this country are experiencing a huge amount of income inequality, of poverty, and challenges. and so, we need to lean in, and move forward by teaching the true history of this, country because if we do it actually
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makes it better for all the people. and it makes it better for native american children. but it also makes it better for all society. and it's a way to combat racism, just the other week, the major league team, the atlanta braves, who openly practice the -- and called themselves the braves. our highly races. but that is accepted in society today. and it's accepted in society today because of the history books have made it okay. they have made it okay to treat us like. that and assist native people, we are done being treated that way, we are done being treated that way because, we come from such a rich history and culture and have so many things to offer society. >> let me ask, you finally, i know we are just speaking a few weeks before thanksgiving. i guess that the majority of americans see it very differently than the united american indians of new england who actually declared thanksgiving a national day of mourning over 50 years ago. and some of our most american
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traditions are wrapped up in these one-sided whitewash narratives. how do you think we approach a problem like this? >> i think that is a massive problem, we have to tell the truth of things given that the people are hospital people. they helped the pilgrims. and then they were murdered. they were massacred. and right down the word, down porcupine south dakota, in the reservation, right down here in 1890, it was the massacre at wounded knee that happened here. and at the massacre of wounded knee, still today, there's 19 medals of honor that have been given. and they are still intact to the people who are responsible for killing the 300 women and children. so, we have to lead the truth in the situation. that's his native people are going to keep standing up for what we believe and in both history books -- i think we have to be thinking of solutions like making a
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federal mandate for all schools throughout the americas to teach record american indian history. it would make this country better place. >> yes, it really would, nick tilsen, thank you so much i appreciate you correcting me with the pronunciation, thank you. >> more ayman next. ayman next ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibility you need to unveil them to the world. ♪ there's a different way to treat hiv. it's once-monthly injectable cabenuva. cabenuva is the only once-a-month, complete hiv treatment for adults who are undetectable. cabenuva helps keep me undetectable. it's two injections, given by a healthcare provider once a month. hiv pills aren't on my mind.
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