little sore, but it will keep him extra healthy. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports garrett haake is in for chuck todd right now. >> if it's monday, president biden gets a much needed victory as congress passes the bipartisan infrastructure bill. the big win is after some big losses. will this give the party and the president the boost they desperately need? we're about to find out. plus democrats debate the future of their party and the future of biden's azwren da. i'll speak with one house lawmaker who helped close the gap to get the infrastructure bill over the finish line. later, what's next in the legal fight over vaccine mandates after a u.s. federal appeals court temporarily halts the biden administration's new vaccine rules for private sector
workers just days after they were unveiled. welcome to "meet the press daily". the white house and are democrats on capitol hill finally have their first infrastructure bill to sell. it took months of wrangling. it exposed deep divisions within the party, and progressives basically had to hold their nose to back it. a group of them tried to reject it. still, it is headed for the president's desk for signature. democrats will take the win. and they need a win. in the wake of last week's setbacks at the ballot box, it's still unclear if they've hit bottom politically. the president's approval ratings have been bouncing around from not great to really bad. depending on which poll you look at, they're basically all over the place. but the long-term trend has been
pretty decidedly downward. democrats know they have a lot of work to do after last week's election night setbacks and they know the work has to start right now. it has to start yesterday yrngs and it has to start with this bill, even though it's less than one-half of what they've been trying to do in terms of the overall spending and biden's agenda. still, it's a lot better than nothing. transportation secretary pete buj is about to make an appearance at the white house briefing to tout what's in this bill as president biden is about to hit the road to sell this bill. and here's the white house chief of staff on meet the press yesterday saying democrats can turn things around starting with this bill. >> i understand that voters are tired. americans are tired of how long it's taken to get the economy moving, to get covid under control. i feel the frustration personally myself. i think everyone does. and i think that frustration wears on people. but i think what the american people are going to see is we have put in place the strategies, the actions, to turn
that around. they are in a show me don't tell me mode. i think we are going to show them in the weeks and months ahead that we have made this progress on covid. we have made this progress on the economy. we are past now the infrastructure bill. we can start to get going on implementing that. i think that will pay off results. >> the bottom line here, lots of anxious democrats around the country are wondering can they make this moment and this bill into a political turning point? and what are the consequences if they can't? joining me to discuss all of this, nbc's mike memoli is outside the white house. nbc's leigh ann caldwell is on capitol hill, and former maryland democratic congresswoman and msnbc contributor donna edwards, and correspondent david siders. mike, i'll start with you. we've seen the top line numbers on the bill. my question is how will the white house be selling it and when will the american people start to see it and feel it in action? >> well, we're going to see the president hitting the road later this week. he's heading a short trip to
baltimore to the port of baltimore to talk about the impact this is going to be having for americans and i think a preview of that remark on wednesday, we got over the weekend when he talked about supply chains. part of what the white house has been dealing with politically is the drag of inflation and the supply chain challenge. this infrastructure is a remedy to the comply chain issue. but the bigger sales job, and you mentioned we're going to see pete buttigieg, the transportation secretary shortly at the briefing. it's going to be much more from the rest of the cabinet, than the president himself. i just learned from a white house official sort of how they're envisioning this sales pitch, and that's going to include pete buttigieg hitting the roads, talking about roads and bridges. it's going to include the interior secretary talking about climate provisions. it's going to include the energy secretary talking about the energy grid. we could go on and on. this is really to the white house, when this matters. because they knew this was going to be a lot of talk, sausage
making, difficult inside baseball stuff. but biden from his experience as the president, when he oversaw the implementation of the recovery act, thought that they needed to do much more to message what that piece of legislation was doing for the american people, and didn't think frankly, that the obama administration took the victory lap that it should have. that's what they're going to be doing now. so when you look at the president's approval rating, when you think about how long of a process this has been, when the senate passed the bipartisan infrastructure plan, it was in august. the president's approval rating was above 50%. now it's at 38%. and according to this new poll you have the generic ballot test between democrats and republicans also at 38%. this has been a long, grueling political road the white house hopes to get some of that momentum they had in august back in their favor, and it really starts with pete buttigieg who as you remember from your time on the campaign trail was seen as one of the most effective messengers for the democratic party, one of the rising stars for the democratic party. why was he getting transportation as a cabinet
post? the biden administration, that is probably one of the most marquee positions you can get, and he's leading the charge you. >> and one of the only administration officials comfortable going on fox news and talking to right-leaning voters about what they're doing. his salesmanship could be really important. we saw another new poll out from cnn that had the president's approval rating at 48%. so there is a ton of noise here about the political implications of this. we'll get to that a little bit more in a minute. but leigh ann, i want to ask you, we've now seen the completion of track one of the two-track strategy in congress that we've talked so much about. what's the latest on track two? it seems like we could be headed to a real traffic jam in congress at the end of the year. >> yeah. that's right. track two is quite messy. track one was always the easy part, especially after they clenched the deal in the senate and 19 republicans voted for it. it's track two, this family care and climate change bill that is much more complicated.
the reason it's willing to go -- able to go forward at this point is because there was this handshake agreement between progressives and moderates to move forward and not undercut each other's priorities. but there's still a lot of ifs at bay. and those include the moderates are going to vote for it, if the congressional budget office score is legit and shows that the bill is actually paid for, and it doesn't have a negative impact on the economy. and the progressives want this vote done next week. well, then the other big if is if the cbo can actually have that legislation done next week. and that's just the house. we still have the senate to deal with including concerns from senator joe manchin and plus not a lot of floor time left for the remainder of the year in the senate. of course, this reconciliation build back better plan could take a week or two up on the floor. they also have to fund the government by december third. they could also have to
potentially lift the debt limit once again in early december. and then they have this national defense act, the defense authorization bill that they have passed every single year for the past 50 years. and this is not the year that democrats don't want to do it. especially since voters are so concerned about lack of function in washington, garrett. >> waiting on the cbo and trying to guess what they will do is the new waiting on the parliamentarian and trying to guess what she will do. leigh ann, on the actual vote itself friday night, we did see some democrats half a dozen, members of the squad group, basically voting no on the infrastructure bill. more republicans certainly than i was expecting crossing over to vote yes. how is that playing out politically on the hill? obviously they're gone this week, but what's the political ramifications of the crossover votes or lack thereof? >> well, the republican side is really interesting. these 13 republicans are getting hammered a little bit from some of the more far right members of
their party who are calling these 13 republicans rhinos, republicans in name only. and saying they handed president biden a socialist agenda. representative adam kinzinger, one of the republicans who voted for the bill, responded saying he didn't know that infrastructure is equitable to infrastructure. but if you look at that group that was just up on the screen of republicans who did vote for it, well, they have a lot of electoral concerns. a lot of these are moderates. a couple of them are not running for reelection. and so they are doing what they think is in the best interest. they don't have to worry about political concerns. and it's also interesting. a lot of those republicans are from new york and new jersey, pennsylvania, places where there are really intense infrastructure needs. and so they voted for it. i mean, time will only tell if this was a good vote for them. right now they're taking some heat from members of than own
party. >> voting for the best interest of your constituents. you love to see it. donna edwards, every day the house isn't able to make progress on the build back better act, and they probably won't for at least a week, maybe more, how much harder does it get? i mean, talk about your experience and the need for momentum to carry a bill this big across the finish line and then right into the midterms in '22. >> well, i actually think having passed the infrastructure piece of this sort of dual track actually really helps in terms of the momentum. i think it's good for democrats to get the win -- wind beneath their sails to really crack the deal on the other package q on the social infrastructure. i feel confident it's going to happen. there's work going on right now even as the congress is in recess for veteran's day. and so i'm pretty confident that
it is going to happen. there will be some tweaks when it comes out of the house and goes to the senate, but that should be fully expected. and i think this gives democrats a year to run on what they have done and what they have accomplished for the american people. roads, bridges, broad band, child tax credit, and all the rest. and i think that that is going to be exactly what they need going into november 22nd. this -- it may seem like it's late, but it's just in time. >> so david, you and i are campaign guys at our core here. when you're out on the road, i'm curious what you think about how the infrastructure bill will play with voters? obviously you've been covering the elections we just saw and over the last week. is this the kind of law in sn is this the kind of thing if democrats go out and campaign on it, they can really move voters on the success on the infrastructure bill? >> well, i agree that it's a major deal for democrats to have
done this. and i don't think it matters so much what was in the bill, just that they did something. but i think i'm a little skeptical that this will end up being the determining next year. you only have to look, what was it several months ago, that congress and biden had passed a huge spending bill. that at the time was democrats can get things done. you didn't see from anything that was going on in virginia, new jersey, the voters gave them any credit or cared. i'm also skeptical that voters will end up being driven to the polls in mass by things like bridges, roads and broadband. to the extend the social spending -- part of this gets done, that could be, yeah. >> i was going to say, is it more about the specific programs that are in the bills if and when they get passed or more about the perception that voting for democrats to govern produces something. right? the idea that it's not dysfunctional and they can get their priorities across the finish line? what has greater political value
based on your reporting? >> well, i think it's the second thing. they can get anything done. the first thing, it may be months or years before we see funding that gets allocated in a bill that goes to state departments and transportation and ends up in a road project with a sign on the side of the freeway. i don't think that's so significant to voters as the idea that biden and democrats are not a hapless crew. and that they can get things done. >> i want to play you something, david, from rick scott yesterday on meet the press talking about how he sees the election playing out. he's the nrsc chairman. he'll have a big role to play in the senate races going forward. listen to this. >> what americans are fed up with are inflation. they're fed up with their kids being indoctrinated in their schools and defunding the police. those are the issues people care about. i think the obsession with donald trump is going to be good for republicans next year. >> so you hear him talking about some of the things that
republicans want to run on. again, i'm curious from your experience out on the trail about this idea of almost baiting democrats to run on trump. like we saw terry mcauliffe do so much of in virginia. >> yeah. i mean, i think that was a huge disappointment for democrats. it's not just that they last last week, but they lost a massive issue. they thought they had trump to run on on the voting man. they did it in california. here it fell flat. also running on covid fell flat. i think the senator makes a point that democrats are taking some lesson from. cultural issues are really going to matter, and they'd better come up with not just a plan on infrastructure but a better answer to things like critical race theory and education if they're going to be competitive next year. >> we're keep ang eye on pete buttigieg in the briefing room. donna, as someone has had to go out and campaign, how much refinement do you think the democratic message needs on those cultural issues that we found out were so important to the voters in places like
virginia that were -- determinative last week? >> i think we have a lot to do. democrats have a lot to do in terms of messaging and that was one of the lessons learned coming out of virginia. but they have to combine this good economic news which people feel in -- feel in their pocketbooks. they have to combine that on messages with cultural views and not get sucked into culture wars but hit it head on. there's a lot of work to do. >> the pieces are there. there's a lot to do. i'm sure we'll talk about it in a year at the midterm elections. >> thank you all. coming up, i'll speak to a democratic member of congress about how the party plans to confront the reality that their
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welcome back. every week is infrastructure week. we're going to listen to pete beet judge talking about this bill passed out on friday night from the house. let's listen. >> reporter: do you know when president biden plans to sign this bill? >> i have to refer you to my white house colleagues on there, but i'll be there with bells on. >> reporter: but he has not signed the bill yet? >> no. >> reporter: it will take time for projects to be completed and the house has -- they have tieed this bill to. >> i expect that will be led by the president traveling to show where the need is and where the
action is. i'm certain we need to be part of that effort. i mean, look, a lot of this sells itself. because communities never needed to be persuaded their bridge needed to be fixed or their ports needed investment. they've been trying to get washington to catch up to them. i think it's important for us to go out there, especially in communities where a member of congress or the senate played an important role, and as you know, members from both sides of the aisle played important roles in delivering. >> that's pete buttigieg. we'll continue to monitor his remarks for news. let's continue with democrats hoping the infrastructure can help them change the political climate ahead of the midterms. that's true in states like nevada which could control the control of the senate. to dive deeper into what lies ahead for democrats after passing the infrastructure bill, i'm dealing with the congressman
who is the first vice chair of the democratic caucus. what does this bill mean once it gets signed into law? would this be front and center of your reelection pitch? >> absolutely, garrett. thank you for having me on. this is a huge win for the american people. and i'm proud to have been in the room with the leadership along with the congressional black caucus, our chairwoman, to be able to break the log jam and to get both the bipartisan infrastructure bill as well as the procedural vote on build back better so that we can move both of these historic bills forward on behalf of the american people. >> it really was interesting. this bill would not have passed without the congressional black caucus it was instrumental in breaking the log jam. and also not without a handful of republicans who helped make up for a group of democrats who ultimately decided not to support it.
i know you kind of were straddling the divides within the track party to try to make this happen. but talk about the political dynamics within the house that made this possible come friday night. >>. >> uh-oh. no, we got you back there, congressman. i think i see you moving. can you speak to the political dynamics there where it was both the cbc and then a handful of republicans who put this thing over the top? >> well, absolutely. the key provisions that are in the bill are what put it over the top. the bipartisan infrastructure bill provides historic investments for clean energy, clean water, historic -- and broadband, and making sure that we are meeting the needs of addressing our crumbling infrastructure in roads and bridges and highways throughout this country. it's going to create millions of
good-paying union jobs. it's going to address some of the climate crisis in my state in nevada. we've experienced a huge amount of wildfires and a drought that is one of the worst ever on record, and with the investment from the bipartisan infrastructure bill, we're going to see more than $4 billion of funding that's going to come into nevada and that's money that my constituents are going to directly benefit from. >> but most of the climate provisions in the president's agenda are in the other bill, the build back better bill. what's your feeling of the political prognosis there? my understanding is you're essentially waiting on a cpo score and hoping with the president's word backing up the moderates, this thing can at least get through the house? >> well, and that's another important element. obviously president biden and vice president harris have worked tirelessly to get an
agreement with our senators, and in the house, we now have an agreement between the moderates and the progressives. why? because the build back better bill is going to cut taxes for the majority of american families with children. it's going to create millions of good-paying union jobs. it's going to address our care economy by providing funding for elder care and home care. and it's going to reduce cost on everything from housing to child care to health care. and i am so confident, and i'm excited, quite frankly, that democrats when we're in the majority, this is what we do. we deliver for the american people. yes, there's more work to be done. but the fact that both of these bills are now moving forward, one will be signed by the president, and will go into effect while we work to continue to move the other one to the final approval here in the next
few weeks. >> i want to quickly ask you about the broader political climate here. the former montana governor told "the new york times" after tuesday's election, he said look, some of those rural counties in virginia should be a wakeup call. folks don't feel like we're offering them anything or hear organization listening to them. i don't have to tell you nevada has a lot of rural counties. beautiful like there's a messaging disconnect in the democratic politics with how to talk to rural voters? you don't want to win every one of them, but you can't get blown out. >> well, you're right. i actually represent 5 2,000 square miles in nevada, to in addition to las vegas and north las vegas, i represent six rural counties throughout nevada. and this is why these bills are so important. because it's going to provide historic funding for broad band. most of that broadband is going to benefit our rural constituents. they talk, my constituents in rural nevada talk to me about the expenses related to housing, and that is something the build back better bill is going to
help do as well as the elder care. and lowering prescription drug costs for seniors and for others that are in the health care consumers who are depending on congress to act to lower prescription drug costs, particularly for medicare beneficiaries. this is what's at stake, and these bills help all of america, and this is something that president biden has been very focussed on is addressing equity in rural america and urban america, not leaving any community behind or any person behind, and that's why these two bills are historic, and democrats are delivering for the american people. >> it's interesting to think about these bills as kind of a rosetta stone to reach people who might not be hearing the message democrats want to get out there. congressman, thank you for coming on and working through the technical issues with it. coming up, a major employee to the vaccine mandate for private sector workers.
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welcome back. an appeals court delivered a blow to the biden administration over the weekend temporarily blocking the president's new vaccine requirements for large companies. the fifth circuit issued the stay on saturday after a group of republican led states businesses and religious groups filed suit claiming the covid vaccine rules were unconstitutional. the ruling came one day after there was an emergency temporary standard published requiring private employers with at least 100 employees to get their work force fully vaccinated by january 4th or start weekly testing for unvaccinated workers in the an estimated 84 million employees would be affected by the rule making it one of the president's most sweeping actions yet on the pandemic.
joining me with the latest on the legal fight is pete williams and the longest serving chief former administrator, also an epidemiologist, dr. david michaels. pete, let's start with the legal side. why did the fifth circuit suspend the rule saturday, and where do you see this case going next? >> the fifth circuit didn't say much. it said the petitions, people complaining about it, give cause to believe that there are grave statutory and constitutional issues with the mandate. so they put a hold on it. the people suing the companies and the states say the congress never gave osha the authority to order something like this. they say covid is a society wide pandemic. it's not a workplace hazard. the kind of thing that they would normally have jurisdiction over. they say public health responses aren't the province of the federal government and they're left to the states by the constitution. they say this is the same kind of overreach as the biden
administration's effort to have the cdc ban e evictions which ultimately failed in court. their complaint is it will make it harder to retain workers in a tight labor market. they went to the fifth market because this law has a quirk that alus filing a challenge directly to a three-judge panel of the federal appeals court. that's the fifth circuit based in new orleans that did this on saturday. but there is at least one other of the pending in another circuit as well. >> all right. pete, stick with us for a second. i have another bit of news i want to talk about in a minute. from your perspective, david, as a former administrator, what was your reaction to the decision by the fifth circuit? >> well, you know, i was not surprised in that i know what the fifth circuit has done. these same judges found no constitutional concern at all when they reviewed the texas law that allows bounty hunters to sue a woman who wants to end a
pregnancy after six weeks. the law is pretty straightforward. they tell employers, get hazards out of your workplace. in this case, the hazard is the employer. if it's employee, and it seems pretty straightforward. this is not a vaccine mandate, though the judges have called it a mandate in their very brief ruling. >> i mean, when this first came out, i remember discussing this with political guests. the idea was this was a testing mandate, not a vaccine mandate. to me the interesting thing here, and pete laid this out. if they can tell you you have to wear a hard hat or how to store your ladder for safety purposes, it would seem within the realm of their control to say you have to be vaccinated. the fifth argument is we don't have a plague of fallen ladders around the country. what's the legal difference from your perspective about a rule about how you conduct yourself or the safety equipment you wear versus a piece of safety
equipment that goes in your arm? >> there is no difference. the risk is the potentially infectious worker. it's a grave danger. right now about 400,000 people are dying every year from covid. there have been hundreds of outbreaks coming from retail establishments with thousands of workers and consumers who are being infected. businesses are the center. one of the big drivers of this pandemic. i have no doubt that if this goes into effect, it's going to cut down on cases and it's going to help save lives and get this country back to normalcy. >> i want to ask you these emergency temporary standards are pretty rare. my understanding is you never published when in your entire tenure at oscha. should we expect to see this last? are we talking about a six month testing vaccine mandate or could it become permanent?
>> the law passed years ago said in brave emergencies osha can give standards that last six months. i think it will and will have an impact. >> that's enough if it's just six months? >> well, let's see. i wish we could predict what this virus will do and where it's going. six months ago things looked very different than now and things could look different from now in six months. the point is we can't wait any longer. we need to stop this virus. >> very fair point. former osha chief david michaels, thank you. pete, as we were going on the air, we got news on another story. the doj announcing criminal charges tied to a ransom yn ware attack and the seizure of $6 million in ransomware attacks. what can you tell us about this? >> this is a russian -- ukrainian, rather. he's 22. he was arrested last month at the request of the government trying to enter poland from
ukraine and now the u.s. is seeking his extradition. he's accused of conducting about 2500 ransom attacks that brought in 2 $.3 million in payments to unlock infected computer systems and they say he helped to write a kind of ransomware known as our evil. it said they wrote it and unleashed it in april of 2019 and regularly refined it. he's accused of targeting at least ten american companies in eight states. these companies are not identified by name. but they say he was also behind an attack that targeted a miami-based company that makes software. this is the one that was -- that hit about 1500 companies on the july 4th weekend. this company makes business control computer network controls and it says that the software affected them and companies throughout the world because of the software that was infected. so another russian was also accused of carrying out cyber attacks. he's still at large.
but now the united states is going to try to get the first man back to the u.s. to face charges. we do have an extradition treaty with poland. that makes this case unusual in the sense that we've seen a lot of these charges against people in russia, but they're never going to get here and face an american courtroom. this man for some reason decided to leave ukraine and travel into poland, and that's where he got caught up. >> yeah. that'll do it. pete, thank you very much. appreciate you doing double duty on the stories for us. we'll be back with an update on the deadly tragedy at a music festival in houston. you're watching "meet the press daily". ess daily" knows everyone's unique. that's why they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. oh, yeah. that's the spot. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪ ♪ ♪ traveling has always been our passion, even with his parkinson's. but then he started seeing things
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are. the world has to step up. and it has to step up now. if we are going to act on the scale that's required, climate change can't be seen anywhere in the world as just an opportunity to score political points. nature, physics, science, do not care about party affiliation. and what is true in the united states is true in every nation. >> recently chuck spoke with another world leader at the forefront of the fight against climate change, the prime minister of new zealand. here's part of their wide-ranging conversation. >> a lot of countries say we'll do more, but only if they do more. you hear it, we'll only do as much as china, and china isn't willing to do as much. how do you overcome that? and are you willing to do more than your neighbors?
>> we can't get ourselves into a situation where our action is reliant to others? who pays the price in that game but all of us. our position has been we can't hold our heads up in the world stage unless we demonstrate the leadership ourselves. and we had been amongst as have many countries around the world, not never action has been taken. we are in a position now of undertaking quite a steep rise in our commitments. but we've seen in our domestic laws, we have tagged the 1.5 degrees because that's what it will take to ensure our pacific neighbors have a livelihood, and so it's not enough to simply say we'll wait until everyone else does their bit. i've heard that argument. we have to do ours now. least we all end up on a steep drop to the bottom. >> president biden has stated on the world stage that america is back, and it's his way of referring to the trump era.
do you accept that? and do you think of america is the leading democracy in the world? >> there is no doubt that the united states has an incredibly important role to play in the indo pacific region. no question. and for some time now there has been calls from our region for greater engagement here. and particularly, i would say it's not just about those issues that are often viewed through a strategic defense lens, but actually we would really welcome the united states presence in some of that economic architecture, increasing the trading relationships in our region. and so we welcome any signaling that demonstrates that's where the united states is heading towards. we welcome that physical presence, being part of important talks in our region, and we have seen, we have seen that greater engagement in recent times. >> you've had your challenges
with domestic extremism. we've had our challenges with 2k34esic extremism. you've talked about this in its relationship with social media. and you want to see a global effort here to deal with these social media networks that seem to amplify social media efforts that seem to amplify this extremism. what does that look like in your view? >> if i were to really simplify it, there's obviously for some time now been an ongoing debate around the environment that frankly our children are growing up online, and how do you bring balance to the rights and freedoms of individuals to engage in those platforms, freedom of speech, but also to not create platforms where by anyone's common sense measure, you see hate amplified or indeed violence. now, we had an extreme example of that here in new zealand when
on what is now known as match 15, in the city of christchurch, a terrorist took the lives of many members of our muslim community and it was broadcast live. that is an example of something that there would be no argument i'm sure from anyone that that was an acceptable thing to happen on a social media platform, and yet it did. and so our approach here in new zealand that we feel a duty of care to seek reform, working in partnership with those platforms to change the future so it will never happen again. i think we need to boil it down to a simple measure. how do we create a place that's safe for our children to be, that doesn't have long term mental health effects, where we don't see the ability to perpetuate hateful or indeed violent ideology. these what we're seeking to do. i think you'll find regardless of country or culture, general
agreement with objectives like that. >> final question here, i know you don't want to weigh into our domestic politics, but we're having a debate around paid leave. >> yes, you'll notice i'll avoid that. >> i understand that. but let me ask you this. >> fire away. >> in new zealand you expanded it from 18 to 26 weeks. explain how you sold it to your public. i'm sure you had some of the same resistance to increased taxes to pay for this. how did you sell it to the new zealand public? >> the most important stage of a child's life are those first 1,000 days. and the most important thing that we can do to support as citizens in the future to be the very best they can is to support our children and our mothers to form strong bonds with one another. all of the science, all of the research support that. actually, to be honest, it wasn't a hard sell. i think the new zealand public
knows and believes that. equally for me i see it as a health issue. our mothers need time to recover, and to be with their babies. so it makes good sense that we allow them the time and the space to do that. so that's why it wasn't such a hard sell, perhaps. >> jacinda ardern, i know you're busy, i appreciate the time. thank you for this. >> thank you very much for yours. >> see chuck's entire interview with the prime minister done in conjunction with the group covering climate now on our website, meetthepress.com. coming up, the kyle rittenhouse shooting trial continues. you're watching "meet the pretty daily." ing "meet the pretty daily. an alternative to pills, voltaren is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory gel for powerful arthritis pain relief. voltaren, the joy of movement.
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kyle rittenhouse, the 18-year-old charged with first degree reckless homicide and first degree intentional homicide for killing two protesters and injuring another during unrest in kenosha last year. the city-wide protests erupted after the shooting of a back -- black man, jacob blake. this morning the man rittenhouse shot and wounded took the stand for the prosecution. gabe gutierrez is following the trial for us from kenosha. gabe, we heard from a survivor shot by rittenhouse today. what did we learn from him and these other witnesses today? >> reporter: good afternoon, garrett. the jury is out for a break right now. it's a 27-year-old man who says he had gone to this demonstration to serve as a volunteer medic and that he ended up confronting kyle
rittenhouse when he had seen that he had shot another man, the second of two people that rittenhouse had fatally shot that night. take a listen to his testimony a little earlier today about their interaction. >> the defendant had reracked his weapon with the rifle still aimed at me. in that moment, i felt that i had to do something to try and prevent myself from being killed, being shot or killed. i do know i was never trying to kill the defendant. that was never something i was trying to do. >> reporter: garrett, this is a critical piece of testimony at this point. of course the prosecution saying that kyle rittenhouse was drawn to chaos like a moth to a flame and essentially that he went after trouble. the defense is saying this was self-defense. and during cross-examination today, the defense ripped into
that witness, pointing out that he had a gun on him, that he had raised his hand and waved a gun at kyle rittenhouse and also brought up the fact that the witness is suing the city of kenosha and that it would benefit him if kyle rittenhouse were convicted. so garrett, this testimony will continue today. it's possible that the prosecution could rest this case perhaps as early as tomorrow. then it's the defense's turn. and earlier in the trial, rittenhouse's attorney has indicated he would testify himself during this trial, garrett. >> gabe, thanks, we'll be staying on top of that for sure. thank you all for being with us this hour. chuck will be back tomorrow for more "meet the press daily." msnbc coverage continues with chris jansing right now. good to be with you. i am chris jansing. we are marking a milestone today in our nationwide recovery with our international borders reopening for the first time in nearly two years.
travelers from 33 countries are once again welcome here in the states after covid robbed travel-related businesses in the u.s. of an estimated $300 billion and 1 million jobs. airlines warning of long lines and delays with international visitors expected to arrive in droves. for so many, this is a moment that's long overdue. >> facetime and whatsapp video calling has been really lovely to keep in contact. but it's not the same as seeing each other physically. meantime, the message from more than two dozen states to the white house is, see you in court. the administration is preparing a legal defense after a federal appeals court blocked a new vaccine mandate that would impact nearly 100 million americans. and now dragged into the political debate over vaccines, a friend of a feathered and fictional variety. big bird, who revealed the news that since he is