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the sentiment shared by so many people here in houston, andrea. >> morgan chesky, thank you. so many questions to answer. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports". chuck todd with "mtp daily" starts now. if it's tuesday, covid cases have begun to slowly rise across the u.s. another surge coming. misinformation about the vaccine is spreading in new ways. and we're following troubling developments in colorado where cases and hospitalizations are nearing winter 2020 levels and experts simply aren't sure why. plus, new subpoenas that in the investigation into the january 6th insurrection. where is this investigation headed? and when will it get there? we're live with those details ahead. later, can biden's infrastructure plan rescue democrats. we'll talk to a district on the
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front lines on the fight over control of congress. welcome to ""meet the press" daily. i'm chuck todd. it's getting colder. colorado is battling a mysterious surge in cases. vaccine misinformation is back in the headlines thanks to aaron rogers and overall experts say the conditions are ripe for a surge in the northern hemisphere. folks, the last thing we want to hear but trust me, you got to pay attention to the numbers. it leads to this question, are we on the cusp of another hospitalizations here in the united states? we don't know and don't have that covid pill in this country yet. what we know for sure is infection rates across the country stopped declideclining. we hit a plateau that sits
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between 75 and 75,000 new cases every day and now it's starting to climb. we had flat lined around 71,000 for about a week. now it's inching back up and in fact, infection rates have gone up 5% in the last two weeks. 1200 americans are dying every day and models suggestion a death toll exceeding 1 million by the spring that's 250,000 additional deaths over the next few months. meanwhile, the whole aaron rogers saga thrust the issue back into the spotlight. he's a walking misinformation machine after the famous quarterback used anti vaccination rhetoric to defend his decision not to get the shot as he tried to evade nfl protocols and scrutiny and ended up testing positive. a reminder how wide spread the misinformation pandemic has spread particularly on fertility claims. he hung a lot of his decision based on misinformation he had gotten on fertility. according to a new kaiser poll, 8 in 10 americans believe or seem open to some form of covid
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misinformation whether it's falsehoods about the vaccine causing infertiity or the government is exaggerating the death toll and found republicans are especially vulnerable to this misinformation because the information ecosystem they live in and as the u.s. times writes, the death toll in america is redder. remember, this is data that we first shared a few months ago we noticed this trend. now it's worse. they found in october, 25 out of every 100,000 residents of heavily trump counties died from covid. that is more than three times higher than the rate in heavily biden counties. what it means for this country's on going and at times demoralizing fight against the pandemic and forces fueling it is where we're going to begin our show today. i'm joined by steve patterson in colorado trying to get a handle on the mysterious surge in infections. we have dr. michael osterholm from the university of minnesota and for more on the challenges
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of combatting mis and disinformation i'm joined by emily. so, who is out with new reporting on aaron rogers and the fight against vaccine misinformation and suzanne spalding with an expertise in cyber threats incluing disinformation is here. let me start with steve in colorado. steve, the colorado issue is even as we were watching the entire country decline a month ago, colorado was seeing this uptick and i thought it was basically the vaccinated versus the unvaccinated so what is the mystery, why do they feel as if they don't understand this current surge? >> well, a few things. i mean, the million dollar question is this current spike the delta spike that many other states have already seen as, you know, almost a look in the past or is this the new spike that other states are going to soon be facing? and it's so troubling because as
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you said, you know, most other states that have had these problems also had problems vaccinating their population. this is not a state that ignored the science. this is not a governor's office that ignored the science. more than 60% of colorado citizens are fully vaccinated. those numbers could be better but those numbers are rising and the infection rate was just a few weeks ago generally pretty low. now it is suddenly shot up and nobody really has a good answer as to why. every time i ask that, there's a list of reasons, right? there is obviously it's colder now so maybeality to the virus impacts the fact people are inside and closer together and mask mandates and different mandates throughout the state relaxed a bit and maybe people are taking this a little less seriously so they've relaxed. and the virus is able to spread. i was told that there are certain pockets of colorado that are more vaccinated than other pockets and those vaccinated pockets are doing better but they're infiltrated by the
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places that are not like a dish across the state. the hospital systems no matter the reason are suffering. we're in a tier three designation, the highest designation in the state of colorado basically means that they can more easily transfer patients. colorado so far throughout all of these spikes has never ever had to do that and now that they are, there is also -- there is some worry that people are delaying care further than they have to. they had to delay care in the past because elective surgeries have been postponed and people have not been going to the doctor's office or hospitals. so you have a coal colin os cow pea, he expressed more about what is happening inside the hospitals. here is what he said. >> what you're seeing is health
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care breaking. hospitals are full. they are full. the icus are full. the regular patients that i'm saying regular like heart attacks and strokes are sicker and coming at the same time so our emergency deputy volumes are up 30% across the country and in colorado. combine that with the incredible paralyzing number of covid patients in the hospital, the vast majority of whom are unvaccinated and it's almost the perfect storm. >> and again, that's the messaging from the hospital system here. get vaccinated. vast majority of people in the hospital unvaccinated. much more when it comes to people who are using obviously the icus, which there are less than 100 in the state. chuck? >> yeah, it's so weird steve to hear the stories we're hearing out of colorado today feel like the stories we heard out of basically every state in august and september. so strange to see it in the moment we're in. steve patterson getting us
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started. thank you. well, let's go to somebody that could have some answers to the colorado mystery and it's dr. michael osterholm. doctor, let me start there. what's your thesis? did delta skip them and found wood to burning colorado or is this the beginning of a final wave we'll feel here? >> well, the first thing we have to do is answer with humility and say we don't know. first of all, it's not colorado. right now the whole entire four corners area of the united states is seeing this major increase. the entire upper midwest, we're seeing unprecedented numbers in minnesota, wisconsin, the dakotas and also seeing that in new hampshire and vermont and the challenge is understanding why do in some cases the virus suddenly surge and then suddenly reduce its numbers after that surge happens?
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we know vaccine can make a big difference on how big the surge is but why it starts and stops we don't know. look at europe. in countries much more highly vaccinated than the united states, germany today is reporting on the highest number of cases on record during the pandemic. we're seeing that in other countries. meanwhile, you have africa, which has very, very low rates of vaccination,less than 6% of the population and they almost have no activity. now, they will tomorrow but right now, we don't understand what makes this virus start and stop when it does these surges in these areas. >> what you're seeing in europe, do you think some of that is the waning vaccine efficacy? >> well, some of it might be but in fact, it also is again any time you have less than 100% of your population protected, either through having been vaccinated or previously haven't had infection and some immunity from that, you're vulnerable. this virus is different than flu viruses. this virus is different than most respiratory viruses where
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it doesn't stop transmitting until virtually everyone is protected. so having 70, 80% vaccination rates doesn't guarantee it will stop transmitting. it will find that 10, 20%. you can't run the game clock out. it will find you. that's what it's doing and why it's doing it, we don't understand. explain to me why l.a. and new york both areas with large unvaccinated populations have not seen any of the delta surge yet. it's going to happen. why it isn't happening now and will happen later, i don't know. >> is the -- is the answer going to be the covid pill, what the u.k. approved assuming we get it approved here and there are certainly optimism it will? is that the point we go to endemic and acknowledge we're not going -- the vaccines wars have been lost and we'll plateau
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at 70 to 80% of the country max. is that covid pill the last best hope? >> we can't give up on the vaccine war yet. i surely agree with you that the pill is going to be important but remember, if you're vaccinated, you have a six-fold lower risk of actually getting infected. if you're vaccinated, you have an 11 fold lower risk of getting seriously ill and dying. so the vaccines will continue to be a very critical part of our response, but now adding on the pill for those individuals who have early symptoms that can be confirmed by a laboratory test taking the pills will be a game changer. it will be both. and that regard hopefully because we have both, we will be able to see in another few months a very different perspective on this pandemic than we have now. >> before i get to my misinformation guest michael, i'm curious, do you think this winter surge, are you bracing for something that we saw this
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summer or is this next surge going to be a bit more manageable? >> well, let me just give you the absolute answer that's the correct one. okay? we'll have somewhere between almost no activity and we'll have a major surge and come between those two, i'm quite certain i'm right. beyond that, anybody that tells you they know exactly what is going to happen, be careful because they probably have a bridge to sell you, too. >> i know. we all want our answer now, michael. you know that. anyway, dr. michael osterholm. >> i know. >> with the blunt truth about the virus. as always, thank you. let's talk a little misinformation here. the quarterback of my favorite nfl team that's becoming the leading, one of the leading misinformers here. emily and suzanne spalding, i'd like you to handle this question. emily, let me start with you.
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what's -- it was sort of the rhetoric rogers was using. there is something familiar to me with various folks under the age of 40 in my life where i had this discussion and hear the words fertility come up and this belief that it might harm a pregnancy. that seems to be among the most powerful pieces of misinformation that is persuasive to people under 40 these days. what are folks trying to do about this? >> well, you're right that that's a piece of misinformation that comes up again and again. it started coming up the instant the vaccines were available even before then and there is really no evidence that these vaccines have any effect on fertility, male or female fertility, pregnancy outcomes and in fact, if you're worried about having a healthy pregnancy, covid-19 is the far bigger threat and so i
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understand why people are concerned about fertility. it's a major issue to the public as it should be but i think we have our dangers here exactly backwards. it's the virus that's the threat and not the vacvaccines. >> emily, one of the problems perhaps the nfl may have is there are plenty of nfl players in the past that will tell you they don't trust medical advice from the nfl and they can cite a bunch of reasons why. back in the day teams were looking for doctors to get players back on the field and overlook certain things so i think we have to deal with player skepticism of the nfl, medical community, we have to at least understand where it comes from. it's not just made up. does the nfl have any plans how to deal with this misinformation, though? >> you know, i'm a science reporter, not an nfl reporter so
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i can't speak to what their plans are. but it's a little frustrating when you see someone like aaron rogers rejecting sort of the best medical information because he has resources. he's an intelligent guy. he could certainly if he wanted second and third and fourth and fifth opinions, he could find no shortage of respected public health experts to give it to him. and yet, he still went off on this bizarre scientific aft that is really far field from main stream medicine. >> suzanne, you deal with mis and disinformation digitally here. it does seem as if as emily pointed out, you know, as soon as we got the vaccines coming out, you started to hear some level of misinformation and now that kids are in line to get the vaccine, it feels like there is like a new round of circulating
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going on there. >> yeah, and todd, your point about mistrust of the sources of information whether it the nfl medical profession or the broader medical profession or government or main stream media, i mean, a huge part of the problem here is that we have this growing mistrust of traditional sources of information makes it very hard to message broadly to the american public. our surgeon general talked about it in july that this misinformation is an urgent threat to public health as you've been discussing so i think that's why we saw the guidance that we saw today the surgeon general came out with a tool kit for individuals to talk to individuals. we are now having to go to this very retail person to person in person conversations and empower those conversations.
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>> so does this maybe the trusted, the idea of a trusted messenger, find people that are trusted messenger approaches because the minute there is a trusted person, there is literally a campaign popping up to delegitimize them. anthony fauci comes to mind. >> we always said in these public crisis communications, you have to find the trusted messengers and it's increasingly difficult. so yes, those broad messengers are not going to have the success with a broad segment of the population and it really is going to come down to trust based on personal relationships, so pediatricians having conversations with their patients, doctors having conservations with their pea patients, clergy with conversations on their parishioners and family with family, children with parents, parents with children. >> emily, when you bring back
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the aaron rogers situation, my son absolutely worships him or did. he doesn't now. i mean, he has decided my god, i didn't know he was an idiot. that's the way my 14-year-old put it. he may not -- there is a lot of other kids that may look at aaron rogers and say i don't want the vaccine or tell their parents they don't want it or 18-year-olds or 19-year-olds. i'm sure plenty of experts you talked to are concerned about this. is there a good way to combat it? >> yeah, i mean, you're right that that was one of the first things that came up when i started talking to experts yesterday was just like the really, you know, there is never a good time to spread misinformation but right now when we're really trying to get younger kids vaccinated when that campaign is just rolling out, it's a particularly unfortunate timing and i think it really is, you know, it is hard to get back to the trusted
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messenger question. it hard to change minds at scale. you know, it's not going to be national ad campaigns, it really is these one on one conversations with, you know, when it comes to kids with the family physician, the pediatrician that families have had relationships with for years with other people in their communities who people know and trust, that's what is i think going to end up making the difference. >> yeah, you would think common sense would also work its way out but apparently, that has gotten weaponized on social media, as well. anyway, emily, aappreciate both of you. a lead none of us have to do but covid is not done with us yet. up next, new subpoenas that in the january 6th investigation as a federal judge blocks former president trump's latest efforts to shield backing stopped by the committee. >> later, live to kenosha,
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capitol hill. we think we'll see more subpoenas that today. in fact, i thought we would have them by now of what the day's round would look like but i am curious, how concerned is this the committee about its subpoenas that right now considering that justice is not moved yet on the bannon complaint? >> yeah, well, chuck, the committee is putting forward a face of confidence they're not concerned about it. they say that steve bannon is the only person who has not cooperated that others are cooperating. we don't know at what level that cooperation is but they say that it's enough to keep them from referring another criminal contempt charge. now, these subpoenas that today, though, this is a unique group. these are people who were extremely close with the former president and while the previous subpoenas that had to do with people who were organizing or perhaps financing the stop the
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steal rallies riling up a trump maga supporter, this group of people, they were instrumental in trying to persuade local election officials to overturn the election results and even trying to persuade the former vice president mike pence to overturn the electoral college count in congress on january 6th. so this is a really interesting and really important group of subpoenas that. we have no indication yet if this group is going to compile with those subpoenas that. but we also know that the committee in addition the subpoenas that are who they think are not going to cooperate. that's who those subpoenas that are for and say there is 150 people that they have already spoken to not just in d.c. but around the country and so they pointed that as the fact that they are getting a lot of cooperation, they're getting thousands and thousands of pages of documents. the question is do they need these people to fill in the gaps into really telling a more
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complete story, chuck. >> so obviously, you see this of the trump campaign official and think is the committee's hypothesis that the trump campaign itself was helping to orchestrate all of the events that led to the insurrection or they're seeing if that was the case? do they have evidence that led them to subpoenas that or are they subpoenaing to find out? >> both i think. a lot is from reporting, books that have been written and journalist accounts of what happened and so they are subpoenaing to find out more. they -- it interesting with the trump campaign officials because it would be much harder for them to say that they are protected under executive privilege. they did not work in the white house. now white house officials that could be a much stronger case even though our colleague pete
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williams says it might not even be that strong. the trump campaign according to the committee had a very significant role in the lead up to january 6th and trying to under cut the election results, chuck? >> leeann caldwell, thank you. up next, president biden is ptimistic his build back better agenda will make it through congress. that's one major hurdle. democrats have to overcome a long to do list before the end of this calendar year. you're watching "meet the press" daily. you're watching "meet the press" daily. ly, so you can focus on what matters most. whether it's ensuring food arrives as fresh as when it departs... being first on the scene when every second counts... or teaching biology without a lab. we are the leader in 5g and a partner who delivers exceptional customer support and 5g included in every plan. so, you get it all, without trade-offs. unconventional thinking, it's better for business.
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yes, we intend, that's our plan to pass the bill the week of november 15th as indicated in our statements made passing the infrastructure bill and we're very proud of that. >> welcome back. that was speaker pelosi earlier in glasgow saying it's still her intention to pass president biden's build back better bill next we're. a sweeping plan on a long congressional to do list as democrats are trying to turn the page on last week's election night disappointing. congress has to raise the debt ceiling, fund the government and authorize military spending to name a few. joining me is collin allred. what do you tell constituents in
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build back better and what do you tell them is going to be in it when it gets passed? >> it's a historic and necessary bill to lower your health care costs, lower the cost of prescription drugs and lower cost for families allowing women to get back to work, get through prek, paid leave locally, calling it child care that it's going to help us combat climate change which is something we've seen in texas, we had a freeze that took out power for a week and that it is something that's going to create jobs and help us get our economy going. we had 500,000 jobs created last month. that's great. we can do better with this bill. >> you find it difficult to convince somebody that one bill has all those things in it? >> you know, i think -- i try to be honest with my constituents and say we have to do it this way because the senate is broken and can't get past the filibuster. this is the only way to pass
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significant legislation. it shouldn't be incumbent to do it through this mechanism. the people expect us to deliver on what the president campaigned on and joint session, these are things they've been talking about for sometime. these are not surprises but democratic priorities that will help the economy and our people. >> this wasn't our decision but do you think we should vote on these individually. do you think at the end of the day it will be passed under one giant umbrella bill but certainly would help you explain to voters and explain the process to voters if you were voting on these one at a time and say okay, final passage will be over here. look, that's what congress does. we know decembers are for making your members of congress family's lives miserable during the holidays but then people would at least know what's in it, oh, they did paid leave this week, the prescription drug bill this week. oh. that feels like it made it that
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much more difficult for you to explain to constituents. >> hopefully folks feel it. we've done some really big legislation over the last couple years to combat this virus and we kept the economy going. we sent direct checks to people with the child tax credit, we're literally cutting child poverty in half in this country and yeah, you know, of course, universal prek is a huge priority for someone like me. i was the first member of congress to take paternity leave. i was raised by a single mother. child care i understand how expensive that is for families but i hope we can talk in a way that's comprehensive and folks feel it. they will feel they have more money in their pockets and easier to get back to work. we had 2 million women drop out of the work force. this will allow women in particular to get back to work. it the right bill for families and our country. the process is messmessy.
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we should ban niche the word reconciliation from everyone. >> the issue of paid leave, whether it will be in this bill or not and, you know, too ever -- two months ago a pledge was made you wouldn't have to vote on something that wasn't going to be able to pass the senate. now it appears you're going to be voting on something that may not pass the senate. how comfortable are you with that? >> i think we're 95, 96, 97% confident and they haven't gone. it will change on their side and we understand that. but i think it's important to push for paid family leave because of the importance for our economy and because we're the only major developed country that doesn't have it because we have basically every single democrat in washington d.c. who wants to do it with one exception and so yes, i think that also has a potential to be bipartisan because i spent time working with the trump white house on this issue so i think there can be a lot of cost appeal here. but we've worked really hard to
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get in line with the senate in terms of what they want and what can past there and get all 50 votes. maybe not every single thing will be there but the vast, vast majority will be preconference. >> what lesson did you take away from last thursday? >> we have an atmosphere wondering whether democrats can govern? i'm extremely concerned about the state of our democracy. i told my colleagues that, you know, as much as our individual issues or concerns are all important, the most important thing to show is our democracy still works, we're governing and don't have to go outside of the system and that you can trust us when we're in power to deliver for you and your family and that's what i think we have not shown as well as we could have while we're going through this long, drawn out process. we have to recognize that we have a lot of work to do to still beat this virus and help folks feel like they're getting
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back to normal. i think we felt like we were getting there and the delta variant came along and really changed our lives and sent us back into this pandemic and i think folks are concerned. they're concerns about their kids. they're concerned about their families. they're concerned about their jobs. we can address that. we're the only party trying to address that so we have to make sure we do in the bills we pass and the way we communicate. >> if you could make one ask the of the white house has they think about this current, the public's current disappointment, whatever you want to look at it, there is no doubt the numbers are soft for the president nationally. if there is something you'd like him to do, say, speak to, what would that be? >> i think we have to talk about the economy. we have to talk about the fact we created 500,000 jobs last month, that this president has created over 5 million jobs, the most of any president in the first year in the office that the economy is coming back, but yes, we're seeing some inflation but that is because of the
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pandemic that we've been going through, the supply chain work force and this is how we're addressing the issues systematically step by step. it will take time. be honest with the american people about that but the economy is not like a light switch. can't just turn it off and back on and working every day on the economy so that you and your family will be better than the day before. a lot of what is in this bill and we again, i know it's -- we need to talk about this more is about the economy and getting folks back to work. not just pie in the sky stuff. this is about allowing mothers, allowing folks who had to go home to take care of their family to get back to the work force. >> sounds like you're saying it's not enough to pass the bills, sometimes you have to let people know every day, here are the new resources you have. if you don't tell people about it, you might forget. congressman, appreciate you coming on and sharing your perspective with us. >> thanks, chuck. up next, a major blow to the republicans' hope of taking back
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control of the senate and not surprisingly, it's all about donald trump. he claims his first victim in the senate recruiting wars. but before we go to break, we have sad news to report. former democratic senator from georgia and veteran's apairs ed a -- affairs maxz -- max cleand passed away. before becoming director of the v.a. under president carter and later, he was georgia secretary of state and eventually won a seat in the united states senate. in a statement president biden who served with cleand called him a quote lifelong champion of the dignity and working rights of people and america's wounded veterans. a close assistant tells the associated press he died this morning of congestive heart failure. max cleland was 79 years old. ur.
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a. welcome back with 364 days until election day 2022 we've got some massive midterm news out of the granite state. new hampshire's republican governor will not be a candidate for the united states senate instead choosing to seek a two-year term. sununu was going to take on mag gee next year. and the next best recruit former u.s. senator kelly also declined to run. in his remarks today, sununu didn't hold back saying he'd much rather remain in new hampshire than enter the toxic environment that is congress these days. take a listen.
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>> a dozen key decisions in a day as a governor it can have an incredibly direct and positive impact on individuals' lives. not so much so in the senate. it's a much slower pace and frankly too often doing nothing is considered a win. my responsibility is not to the gridlock and politics of washington, it's to the citizens of new hampshire and i'd rather push myself 120 miles an hour delivering news for new hampshire than to slow down and end up on capitol hill debating partisan politics without results. that's why i'm going to run for a fourth term. >> it's not hard to connect sununu's decision to president trump's politics. he would have had a harder time getting out of the primary perhaps than the general and while he supported trump's 2020 run, sununu's pushed back. they hoped it would show sununu
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could run without being a trump vocal supporter but that didn't happen at least in new hampshire and sununu didn't rule out a run for president in his press conference. new hampshire isn't a bad place to start. sununu's brother served in the senate and his father was white house chief of staff. he knows everything about how washington works. he had a good team of advisors so it's not like he didn't have a lot of that information to process when he made this decision. big blow to the gop on this one and you can probably say it's donald trump's first win or loss, depending on how you want to look at it when it comes to the republican senate recruiting wars. coming up, we'll head to texas where one principal just got fired over fathers and mothers -- false accusations of teaching critical race theory. you're watching "meet the press
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escalating fight how we teach america's dark history of race and racism. >> reporter: since late august he's been suspended from his job as the first black principal of a majority white majority white school in the wake of accusations that he was pushing critical race theory or crt, on students. >> it has been difficult to be detached from really my purpose. they see that. they see the pain, even though i try to mask it but that's all i've ever wanted to do is being an educator and serve kids. well, antonia hilton is back in grapevine, texas with the latest on this story. the official word came last week. how much did this impact the
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final decision? >> reporter: they'll tell you school board elections are a large part of what fueled this final decision as some of the school board members seemed to be concerned in community members' views that some of the folks who wanted whitfield to be fired with hold him accountable, push for them to have new spots. this building behind me here was packed with parents, young student and residents, the majority of whom were there in support of dr. whitfield and expressed outrage, pain, worry that this was going to cast the entire community in a really bad light, as most of the parents there last night believed that this is racially motivated. the district maintains, they agree that whitfield never taught or promoted critical race theory but they moved forward due to deficiencies in his performance as principal. and this all began in the wake
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of george floyd's murder and community criticism over the way he spoke out about all of this. take a listen to my exclusive conversation with him last night after the news broke. >> educators are fighting this battle and really it's a battle that has been manufactured because not a single teacher is teaching critical race theory in schools but what they've termed to be critical race theory, which is diverse books, there are so many people that are going through experiences based on the legislation that's come out in certain states and groups of parents or groups of community members and so, you know, i'm hopeful that we can use this to move forward and to progress and get some true meaningful change. >> reporter: dr. whitfield does not know now what he'll do next or what his next job in
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education might look like, but he told me that his focus is really on other educators and the fact that his story may strike fear in people who are continuing to do this work and that already he is hearing that around texas educators are fearful now for their jobs. chuck? >> antonia, i'm going to ask you what i think we discussed before, the school district, they've used deficiencies in his job but what were they? is it simply sending out that e-mail saying that what happened to george floyd impacted him a lot? i mean, is that the deficiency? >> you know, chuck, it's very complicated and it's continued to be very confusing for all of reporters who have covered this. they've listed a couple different reasons. deficiencies in his performance as principal references some personnel interactions and e maim exchanges with -- e-mail exchanges with parents that they
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feel he could have been a better communicator on. some of what they've cited are behaviors or comments that he has made in the wake of the accusations that have been lodged against him. so while they're saying they're not firing him because of critical race theory, they are pointing to things he said to defend himself to repair his reputation to say those are part of the reasons they are moving forward with his termination. so it's kind of tough to figure out what's fully transpired here and dr. whitfield and the school maintain they both have agreed to disagree now but the conflict is still here in the community. >> all right. and he's got children that go to the school, if i remember, right across the street from the high school. anyway, antonia hilton in grapevine, texas. >> you can see all the past reports of identify meet the press" are available on peacock.
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welcome back. moments ago in kenosha, wisconsin, the prosecution rested the case in the kyle rittenhouse trial. the defense is currently presenting their case. david gutierrez is following the trial for us from kenosha. you rarely hear in cases like this the defendant is going to take the stand but we think that's possible here, correct? >> reporter: that's right, chuck. in the opening statement, the defense indicated the jury would hear from kyle rittenhouse. as you mentioned, the defense now presenting its case in front of those jurors. it's possible we could hear from
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kyle rittenhouse later on this week. a couple of developments just in the last few minutes. as you mentioned, the prosecution resting its case but also the judge has actually just dismissed one of the charges against kyle rittenhouse, that of a curfew violation. basically the prosecution saying that they had presented evidence for that in the sense that they asked a police officer whether it was a curfew effect. the defense asked to dismiss the charge saying there wasn't enough evidence presented for that. the judge agreed with the defense. so now kyle rittenhouse is facing six counts, not seven. the curfew violation charge was dismissed. a critical piece of testimony came yesterday with the man kyle rittenhouse shot and the prosecution painting him as a vigilante and the defense saying
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it was all self-defense. we don't know when kyle rittenhouse will testify but it could be this week. >> the trial has moved at a pretty quick pace. gabe gutierrez on the ground for us. thank you all for being with us this hour. we'll be back tomorrow with more "meet the press daily." mnbc continues with my friend chris jansing right now. >> reporter: good afternoon. we begin with breaking news on capitol hill this afternoon where the investigation into the attack on the u.s. capitol is expanding. the house select committee probing events of january 6th have issued a new volley of subpoenas, all to members of former president donald trump's inner circle. among them, form are national security adviser michael flynn, conservative lawyer john eastman and former new york city police commissioner bernard kerik, closely tied to


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