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msnbc headquarters here in new york city. it is friday, finally friday, november 12th, and we have got all the things you need to know to get your day started on this busy november 12th. we have fwt a lot going on this morning. we have got to start of course with donald trump. his former chief of staff, mark meadows has one hour to show up for a deposition or face contempt charges. we will keep an eye on capitol hill. plus, the latest in the fight over document trying to shield from the committee investigating january 6th. while in kenosha, wisconsin after eight days of testimony both sides are preparing for closing arguments in the kyle right enhouse trial. now the prosecution is asking if the jury can consider lesser charges. in los angeles, today is the day a judge could foimly free brittany spears and end the conservatorship that ruled her
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life for the last 13 years. on this show we have got to start with the economy. on this show you are always going to hear about the economy. what a huge difference seven days can make. one week ago we got the latest jobs numbers. made it look like the economy was killing it. but the past week was put an entirely different spin on thing. on wednesday we learned that the inflation rate jumped 6% from last year and everything is getting more expensive in our lives. are things getting better or getting worse? i have a group here, monica alba, doug-high, connor last-minute, congressman from pennsylvania and david gura from npr. david, we spent all week long talking to people about how prices have gone up, people are panicked, they don't know what's to come. but this is happening when household savings are up, the
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stock market is reaching record highs and there are moore job openings than ever. how do we really look at this economy? >> i think the micro is eclipsing the macro, stuff me, but it is something we are beginning to see. this week's numbers confirmed that for a lot of people. pries are going up, across the board. when we hear there is inflation, there is a tendency to look at history, analogues. look in the dictionary and look for inflation you are going to go back to 1970. that's not the right his fee for this situation. a lot of analysts will say the same thing. it was an unprecedented event that kick started al of this. yes, inflation we have seen, the job losses on the heels of covid-19 as well. this is a tricky situation yes for policy makers and lawmakers as well. they can talk about the macro,
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about it being transitory as the fed chair did for some time, they eased off that language in recent weeks but i think americans are confused by what's going on here. it is hard to look at the time horizon, stephanie and be told this isn't going to last a long time but the goal posts keeps getting moved back, back, back, the treasury secretary saying things will equal out fourth quarter next year. there are good things, savings are going up, wages are going up, a good jobs report came out last wee as well but this specter of inflation is hard to navigate. >> specter of on-flation. another reason why i am glad to have you back with us, david. >> been too long. >> how is this going to impact the president's agenda moving forward? you can say all day long, these bills are going to help people, improve their lives long term. but when the average person
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hears the president watts to spend more money they don't feel good. he has two big bills he wants to pass. >> it is precarious for this administration. the president will be holing a cabinet meeting later this afternoon. this is expected to be a main topic of discussion. he is going to deputy advertise some of the cabinet secretaries to tackle this specifically. remember, we saw this earlier this year when he has tried to detail a jobs cabinet or other top officials to focus on these thing. we know absolutely they are going to be not just trying to sell his version of an economic agenda that they argue can help with things like the rising prices but also trying at least to act nom these pain points. one things i am told by the white house is that the president can offer a sympathetic tone. they are not going to ignore it, they are going to say we understand where you might be
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hurting and why this might be a problem. the president said this week, it is not something that's going to be fixed in the short term. he couldn't promise when gas prices would come down. this likely will go into 2022 and beyond. for now they are going try to say this is a priority and that with things like the build back better bill which faces an uncertain future in the senate depending what ends up in it and when it's the voted on, it could help americans when it comes to child care, elder care, and other things. and that hopely help to offset a little bit of this and american's bottom line, where they are feeling it, steph. but as you know so well, that's not a guarantee. and that's still months away if not longer in terms of feeling the through affects because that infrastructure bill is about an investment over the next decade. we are not talking about relief in the immediate, not yet. >> this people a lot of people said to me i think they know so
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much so well. and it meant a lot to me. congressman -- she basically said people should not be tieing the president's agenda to inflation. they have no relation. here's the thing. even if absolutely every word of that is correct, republicans are going to do just that, and they are going to run with it. mitch mcconnell loves this inflation news. how do you balance that. how do you thread this needle? >> susan is right about this. you are also right. here's the issue. mitch mcconnell is foaming at the mouth over inflation and has no ideas about how to actually stop it. it will just be all criticism, all partisan criticism all the time. the fact is average people out there that i see on the campaign trail every day, they are smarter than he gives them credit for. they are not interested in a partisan take on inflation. they want to know what he is doing about it right now. i think the danger for my party is we are always talking long
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term. build back better is a great investment. it is a long term investment. but we also need to live in the short-term, where most americans live pay collect to paycheck. that's where the work at the ports, the fact we just helped get more truck drivers on the road, the things that make a difference today we need the emphasize those so people can say one side, our side, is still trying to end the pandemic, the root cause of all this while the other side is still complaining about it. >> in the latest nbc news poll americans said they favor republicans over democrat on issue around the economy by 18 points even though historically speaking democrats do phenomenally well when it comes to the economy. what do republicans seem to do right in terms of messaging? >> first it starts that they are not in power. when you have a democratic house, democratic senate and democratic president it helps things for you to be able to push back and criticize. where they are able to highlight where the administration or
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congress has fallen short, whether that's short-term or long term that's to their advantage. at the beginning of this david used the term specter of inflation. that hasn't come to home heating oil. bee those bills come through, if we are talking about quarter four of next year, we are already going to have elections by then in november and it is going to be too late for democrats. republicans are going to have a message they can drive home all day every day as long as they stay focused on on what those issues are. >> david, last year we saw prices go up and we were in the middle of a pandemic so people didn't seem to notice very much. now they are up again, and people are acting like it is the end of the world. why is that? >> if you go back a year ago, prices and jobs was the main focus for us. we have seep great progress but
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there are still millions of jobs that haven't been recovered. that was front and center for us and policy makers as well. prices were ticking up, but the focus was on jobs. then i should say as well there was a great deal of stimulus from the federal government that was going into americans pocket books at that time that i think made those price increases less noticeable or less difficult for american families. i am thing about what is on the table, the build back better plan and the infrastructure plan, that's not the same kind of stimulus that we saw a year ago. these plans take effect over many years. they deal with child care, and fundamentally changing the economy. it is not the same as putting money in people's pocket books to spend. they are taking pains in the komg weeks to say this is not going to be something that drives people to spend money immediately, it is not going to
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juice inflation. it is going to happen over many months. >> heidi height says this administration has to deal with inflation, deal with the issue at hand. given that, do you think it makes sense to hold off on the human infrastructure plan and tackle this inflation issue right now because as doug said when people get their home heating bills come december they are going to be ugly? >> right. no, i don't. that's because we are far along on the build back better act. we have the votes for it. has nothing to do with inflation. if anything, it is anti-inflationary over time. it is fully paid for, unlike the things that the republicans were for. we are not adding to the definite sit. you are correct that at the same time we have to show people we are addressing these short-term issues. again, the root cause of all of this is the pandemic and supply chain disruptions that have come from it. that's an executive job. the president is making ports run 24/7. he's getting more truck drivers on the road. we can be doing things like that every day to show people we are
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out there untangling the knot all the time. people just want to see us get to work. they are not looking at this the way the political class is, republicans are going to do well because of inflation and biden is going to do pourly. we have to get to work on it. we can do that well. i don't think the other side can. >> one of the things that keeps prices high is demand. are we overlooking the fact that while there are many americans that are still suffering financially, a lot of others aren't. over half of americans are invested in some way in the stock market, which is up. the price of your home is up if you own your home. household savings is up. while we may not like paying higher prices we are getting in line to do it, doing well financially. >> this didn't come through in the story about the ports. yes, ships are backed up in part because people are eager or or waiting to spend money. the demand is there.
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that is something the economy has to be aware of. and of course the stock market is setting a new record seems like every other day. but that's not everybody. yes, there is something about the stock market doing well that gives people a sense that perhaps the economy is doing fine. there is stark divide as you know between these things. yes, demand is an issue here, but i think that it's again something that's coming out of the pandemic that we have been going through now for two years. there has been so much pent up demand. we are hearing that from economy makers as well. for those who make the case that this is transitory what they are saying is pent up demand is driving the prices. >> i tell you, people are sick and tired of the word transitory. >> the president as well. >> while the stock market is not the economy, main street doesn't fail if wall street wins.
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must have of main street has some sort of -- at the least a pension or retirement account. and they care about the markets. doug, do you think this economic message that mitch mcconnell is foaming a the mouth over -- is that going to be enough to carry through the republicans through the mid terms? >> i don't think anybody is foaming at the mouth. when i worked at the rnc, if we had bad economic news we weren't high fiving that we would be able to use that to exploit pain. we just had elections in virginia and new jersey where republicans outperformed expectations and obviously did very well and won in virginia. they didn't do that because of inflation. they did that for a whole host of other reasons, which come down to joe biden is not popular in the country right now, his approval rating has taken a real tumble since the beginning of summer f. his numbers are where they are now, inflation or no, it is going to be a problem for democrats. let's remember, republicans don't have to perform historically as well as they
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would have to in the midterm election in order the take back the house or the senate. >> thank you all so much. we will leave it there. i hope you all come back very soon. when we come back, though, we have got to talk about the latest fight in the documents that former president donald trump is trying to shield from the committee investigating january 6th. in kenosha wisconsin, after eight days of testimony, both sides are preparing for closing arguments in the kyle rittenhouse trial. ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibility you need to unveil them to the world. ♪
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the clock is ticking on capitol hill, but isn't it always? with less than an hour until the deadline for mark meadows who was chief of staff to former president trump to testify before the house january 6 committee. he does not plan to comply. but the committee warned him, testify today or risk contempt charges. do you hear that word? risk. that's an important word. the committee was also supposed to get trump's documents from the national archives today, now it is unclear when or if they are going to get them at all after a circuit court temporarily blocked their release while it considers an appeal from the trump side. man, mark meadows, he's not going to show up.
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-- lee anne, mark meadows is not going to show him. we risk holding him in contempt. i have got to be honest, i am over all of this at this point. >> this story is going to keep on going. it is going to go a lot look this. we have seen a lot of former trump aides who were very close to the president defying subpoenas. for weeks the committee has been saying mark meadows and others have been engaging with the committee. we now know engagement doesn't mean a whole lot. so the committee has sent a letter saying that they expect mark meadows to comply with that subpoena at 10:00 a.m. this morning and show for a deposition. as we have said, we do not expect him to comply. his attorney has said that his communicates with the former president are privileged. the committee is not buying it. they say that he needs to show anyway. and if he thinks it's privileged he can make that case before the committee. they also note in a letter that
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mark meadows has not provided one document, one piece of communication for the committee. and so they think that he -- that there is zero guarantee that he would do so in the future. that's why they say they are threatening criminal contempt referral to the department of justice. but i will say -- just like steve bannon. but the thing that's different from mark meadows and steve bannon is mark meadows probably knows a lot more than steve bannon. he was by the president's side every single day helping to advise him. he was by his side on january 6th. because if the committee cost refer to it the department of justice, it does not compel testimony. there will be repercussions, perhaps, at the department of justice. so the committee is going to have to decide if they want to try to get that testimony or show mark meadows as an example. steph. >> getting nothing from mark meadows, nothing from steve
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bannon. julia, today was the day when these documents were going to be released from the national archives, and alas, they are not. >> that's right, stephanie. they have put on a temporary rolled by the d.c. circuit court of appeals. they have fast-tracked oral arguments for november 30th. we might not have to wait too long. what we heard from the d.c. circuit so far is they want to be able to hear this case, this temporary holds to not mean the judges buy into the form he were president's argument that he should be able to hide behind executive privilege to prevent these documents from going to the committee. instead, they want to hear more. that's definitely a much softer approach than what we heard from the district court when the judge there earlier this week said that the former -- president right side not kings and that the plaintiff is no longer the president. right now, what we are seeing is a very temporary hold because they had this deadline of today where these documents were going to be released. and of course, we can probably go ahead and expect this to go up to the supreme court no
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matter what this appeals court decides. both sides could appeal to the supreme court. and that's where this battles is likely to head next, stephanie. >> deadline, deadline meaning nothing, nothing, nothing. meial, what's the department of justice doing? >> sorry, did you ask what's the department of justice doing? >> yes. >> so, i think the department is basically evaluating this. and they have been taking a long, long time, steph. i think it has been almost three weeks. the last time this happened in the reagan administration it took eight days for the justice department to follow the contempt referral and issue an indictment. here, if garland doesn't do it by next week i am going to be incredibly incredibly concerned. i acknowledge there are issues here. >> okay, okay. >> the issues aren't that hard. steve bannon didn't work in the white house unlike mark meadows, and meadows --
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>> i appreciate how mindful and careful you are. i want you to get out of the you will be incredibly concerned. give us what you really think about all this. >> it is troubling. after next week i do get worried. we are almost a year after the january 6th attacks. let's be clear what the kput privilege is. it is not legalisms. these people, steve bannon, mark meadows, the entire white house staff are afraid to tell the truth under oath in congress. that's what this is about. if you tonight do that, as a form government official, or frankly even as a private citizen or something like that, absolutely you should be held in contempt. and the rule book thrown against you. i understand garland's cautious and so on and it serves any number of values and you want to get everything right because you don't want to indict and then not have a conviction or something like that. but this is an open and shut
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new twist in the kyle rittenhouse trial. prosecutors now say they will seek approval for the jury to consider lesser charges. the move comes with closing arguments now set for monday after the defense rested its case. joining us now, meghan fitzgerald in kenosha, barbara mcquaid and kirk buck walter. meghan, what are the lesser charges they are talking about? >> we are waiting to get more information on the lesser charges when court resumes, when the prosecution and the defense go to court today before the judge in two hours, 10:00 local
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time. you know, at this point it certainly seems as though the prosecution does not feel confident in their case and they want to get a conviction of some sort, which is why they have indicated that they are going to be seeking these lesser charges. keep in mind, of course, jurors aren't in court today. they are going to be coming back on monday for closing arts. but they went home after hearing from three of the defense's witnesses, the last being drew hearn nands. he took video that night, posted it to social media. he testified before the jury saying that rittenhouse was there to provide aid for people, to help people out. i want you to listen to a little bit of this back and forth with the defense. >> as the first firearm goes off, rosenbaum is already charging kyle from behind, attempts to throw a bag at him. i am not sure what's inside of it. rosenbaum is lunging towards him clearly, and kyle fires. >> did you observe him acting in an aggressive manner.
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>> in no way, shape, or form, the first time i saw kyle he actually deescalated a situation. >> again, bolstering the defense's claim there that these shootings were solely in self-defense. the jury is coming back on monday to hear the closing arguments, jury instructions, and then they will begin deliberations. steph, the judge has indicated it is extremely unlikely these jurors will be sequestered. >> barbara, this doesn't seem like a good look for the prosecution. should they have started this whole thing with lesser charges? >> lesser included charges is fairly normal. things didn't go well for the defense. kyle rittenhouse's own testimony i think held up quite well. offering lesser included offenses gives the jury an opportunity to compromise. if they find his mental intent
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was something less than an intent to kill, there will be a compromise on the verdict where he will see prison time and not get the highest offenses charged. i think the real problem that's going on here stephanie is we see some things that happen in all cases. one is when you assert self-defense, the burden is on the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt unanimously that the defendant did not act in self-defense. proving a negative can be really difficult. i think the other thing here is the defense has done an effective job of getting the jury to focus solely on the precise moment of the shooting when kyle felt he was under threat. where the prosecution hasn't done a good job is focusing on the big picture. he shows up with a weapon, he
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shoots somebody. somebody think there is an active shooter. they want to stop him. how is he feeling? that's all the jury has to consider. not everybody on the seen saw him as an active shooter. >> what do you think. >> the prosecution bears the burden of proof. if they don't meet that burden the jury must find that kyle acted in self-defense. there is so much here that the squir cannot consider with regards to why kyle was there, him walking the streets, how unreasonable it seems with this semiautomatic weapon. a lesser charge would be considered an imperfect self-defense, and it certainly gives the prosecution an out. since they may not have met their burden, the only choice a jury might have is to fine him not guilty. but allowing the jury to find
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lesser included charges they can take the totality of the circumstances into account. no one can control what a jury considers behind closed doors. certainly, this gives them the opportunity to take all of these circumstances into account. finally, i believe the testimony of the defense witnesses did hurt the prosecution more than they expected. certainly, the testimony with regards to rosenbaum and kyle being struck by the skateboard and so forth weighs heavily in his favor that he did act in self-defense here. >> kirk, did the prosecution do a less than stellar job? or did they have a really tough case to try? >> i am hesitant to monday morning quarterback here because the -- >> it is friday. >> because because the prosecution is playing the hand they were dealt. they did have a difficult case here. certainly they have handcuffed somewhat by the exclusion
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rulings that judge made pretrial, by the exclusions of evidence they couldn't introduce. literally, the only thing the prosecution had to set forth before the jury was that snapshot of a moment where kyle righten house fired those shots and what a reasonable person would have believed at that time. think about all the things they couldn't present, kyle rittenhouse's history, his associations with other forms of groups and so forth. then you have the video. you have him carrying this medical bag and walking around and yelling out medical, medical, medical. so the deck was stacked against the prosecution somewhat. i know many folks have taken issue with how they have handled the case. i am not so quick to take issue. they played the hand they were dealt here. >> are those records behind you. >> yes, they are. primarily coltrane, miles, i like a lot of classic mobile jazz. what can i tell you. >> i am going to tell you i want to come over to your house for a
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drink. kirk, thank you, barbara, meghan, thank you all so much. we will be broadcasting the closing arguments on monday here on msnbc. coming up next, as inflation hits historic highs, some moderate democrats are saying we should slow down on passing the human infrastructure bill. i want to know what the progressives' game plan is. we will be speaking with congressman ro khanna next. addn for severe eosinophilic asthma. not for sudden breathing problems. allergic reactions can occur. get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. infections that can cause shingles have occurred. don't stop steroids unless told by your doctor. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. may cause headache, injection-site reactions, back pain, and fatigue. ask your doctor about nucala. find your nunormal with nucala. if you wake up thinking about the market and want to make the right moves fast...
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♪ it's all right ♪ ♪ have a good time 'cause it's all right ♪ ♪ oh, it's all right ♪ person has died after the horrific crowd surge at the astroh world festival. just obtained footage captures the moment the concert took that deadly turn. >> folks are coming out of the crowd complaining of difficulty breathing crushing type injuries. seems like the crowd is compressing. >> there is a lot of people
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trampled and they are passed out at the front stage. shaquille brewster is live in houston. shaq, what's the latest? >> part of that transmission that you just played didn't happen until about 9:21 p.m. but the show went on. it continued for about 40 minutes and didn't end until about 10:10 p.m. that timeline, we talked about, will be a main focus for investigate oorls. overnight, we the hear for the first time from travis scott's attorney who says the rapper is devastated, especially with houston being his hometown, that he is grieving with the family and that he likely has not even left his house since he initially returned home. the lawyer also emphasized that he was unaware of what was happening in the crowd as his show was going on and he was never told to stop until the end of the show. but i will tell you, stephanie, the trajectoridy only continues to expand. yesterday we learned about the death of 22-year-old bahti shahani arc texas a & m student.
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a model student, an angel, as her family described her. her family was left devastated yesterday. listen to what they told us. >> i want my baby back. you know? i won't be able to live without her. it's like -- it's impossible. you know what i'm saying? this is not concert, right? this was not concert. i don't know what it was, but this was not concert. you know? because my baby didn't come back. >> really hard to listen to that. meanwhile, one other patient is still in the hospital in critical condition. that 9-year-old, esra blunt. we haven't gotten a firm update on his condition but we know he is still in the hospital at this point. we also know later today we will be watching from attorneys representing more than 100 victims, 100 people who were at that concert. that will be happening a little bit late they are morning, steph. >> shaq, thank you so much. today marks one week since the hard infrastructure bill was passed. this afternoon, president biden
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will be holding a cabinet meeting on how to implement it ahead of signing it into law on monday. but he still needs to get his democrat-only human notice of bill across the finish line with some centrist democrats now saying we should hold off on more spending until inflation gets under control. i want to bring in congressman ro khanna, a democrat from the state of california and the deputy whip of the house. inflation is everywhere, at the grocery store, at the gas pump. what is your take of don't scrap the human infrastructure bill but put it on pause, put that amount of spending onnous pause until you tackle inflation? >> first, of course inflation is real. prices have gone up at the gas pump. beef costs more, milk costs more. we have to acknowledge the problem. we also need to listen to the
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economists. larry summers says it is nonsense you shouldn't be investing in the future. another saying when there was inflation from 1946 to 1948 we still made progressive investments. and the president's plan actually as seven nobel laureates said would ease inflation by getting people back into the work force and increasing the supply of goods. we have to listen to the economists. >> i laughlining to economists, your laureates. but the average voter doesn't care about larry summers or paul krugman. and republicans are going to point the fingers at democrats and say more spending is only going to hurt you. how to you counter that argument. >> because i will tell you, to say to your constituents listen to paul krugman, that is not going to solve anything? >> i will say to my
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constituents, what are the costs you are facing? medical costs. the president's plan would allow medicare to negotiate, which brings down medicare costs. what other costs are you keshed about? the costs of gas. i would say let him tab the strategic reserve. that would bring down the costs. what about the cost of food and restaurants. let's let more people work so we can produce more, and paid child care and family care would do that. it is backed by economists and also backed by common sense. >> right now we are no longer seeing the two bills linked. the president wants to sign the hard infrastructure bill on monday. you have some centrist colleague who is even before we got the inflation numbers, they wanted to at least put a hold on passing the human infrastructure bill. right now, what leverage do you have? what can you use to move this forward? >> this is what the american people want.
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that the american people are asking us to make sure that we have child care so that women can return to the work force so we can increase the labor supply that the american people are saying we should have universal preschool in this country, the american people are saying we shouldn't be paying outrageous prices for prescription drugs. it is important, stephanie, to understand this is spending over ten years. it's not spending all in this year. so, you know, we should -- this is what the president ran on. i have no doubts, i am excited he is going to sign this on monday, the infrastructure bill. i have no doubt he is going to get the build back better, and that it's going to help with inflationary pressure. >> i know you voted yes, but you are part of the progressive caucus. what is your take on some of your progressive colleagues voting against the hard infrastructure bill? when you talked about you want to move forward what the american people want, the people in michigan wanted clean water and your progressive colleague voted against that. >> we have a big ten party.
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unlike the republican party where they have 13 people vote yes and now mccarthy is threatening to kick them off committees. in the democratic party we respect dissent, individual opinions. none of my colleagues are opposed to drinking water or replacing lead pipes, the bill had $15 million, they wanted $40 million. you have to understand where they are coming from. that's the difference between the democratic and the republican party. democrats don't believe you kick off people from committees just because they don't vote with the party. republicans apparently do. >> reminder, republicans, they are a-okay with people in the senate voting yes, just not the house. thank you for joining me. >> good to see you. coming up, nearly 1 million kids have gotten their first covid shot. i have got three of them that have them. vaccine misinformation is getting in the way.
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and he knows when to make different choices. take the mystery out of your glucose levels, and lower your a1c. now you know. try it for free. visit we've got breaking news out of the white house. president biden appears to have settled on a nominee to lead the food and drug administration. an agency that is critical in the fight against the coronavirus. nbc's monica alba back with us. monica, what do you know? >> so this will be long-awaited, steph, because it had been months with a temporary acting commissioner to lead the agency and the president had faced a
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lot of pressure to name somebody permanently, given, of course, how much the fda has had to do in the midst of the health crisis and all of these approvals. so we now know that the president is poised to nominate robert califf, a cordologist from duke university who was previously in this post in the obama administration. he served for about 11 months near the end of that, and he did have bipartisan support when he faced his senate confirmation. they voted 89-4 to support him those years ago. it so looks like he will be back in that position, but there, some stalled nominations during the biden administration, so it's unclear how long that could take. but this had been something that really came down to the wire. monday is the legal deadline for the white house to name a permanent commissioner to lead the fda, again, at a very critical time. and we now this will be mr. califf has spoken at least once
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with mr. president biden once in the last week. the biden administration hoping he will be confirmed quickly, but it could take weeks, as we've seen with some of the other president's nominees, steph. >> monica, thank you. now nearly a million children between the ages of 5 and 11 have now been vaccinated with hundreds of thousands more scheduled to do so, and that is just in the first week of being eligible for the covid vaccine. but for fact's sake, there is a lot of misinformation out there right now, and there are concerns that parents of young kids are particularly vulnerable to that very misinformation, so let's take a look at what i'm talking about. this right here on your screen is a facebook post from a pediatrician in california. it lays out a number of so-called facts, facts, you see that in quotations. facts about the vaccine starting with this notion that they're essentially unnecessary for young children. this post argues that the trials were insufficient to show whether it would actually hurt children, and it questions
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whether the vaccine can cause bad reactions in kids who already had covid. dr. kavita patel is a primary care physician. she worked as a policy director in the obama white house and she is here to fact check all of this. doctor, i want to tick through this one by one. first, the idea that the rate of covid among kids is coming down without the vaccine, so they basically don't need it. what do you say? we always say, oh, listen to your doctor, it was a doctor who posted that. >> yeah, and to be fair, steph, she's correct, there are facts -- what you're not hearing is the complete picture with the rest of the equation and why parents really do need to consider the benefits of a vaccine. so this is a fact. cases are coming down, but the proportion of cases in places, 17 states around the country, where cases are increasing, steph, the proportion of cases that are children in this age group is actually increasing. and i'll even make a further point, that we're going into a winter season, more people are going indoors, and we know that
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children are the most vulnerable, because they are the lowest in terms of immunization. children can also spread it to other members of the household. that's what usually happens when we see a household with positive cases. so we shouldn't let our guard down, because our mitigation measures, putting the masks on, being indoors have worked. and millions of students have also had to quarantine during this time, which has also helped the decreased cases. but we're trying to do this to get better population-level immunity. your child being safe, creating a community to be safe. haas the fact behind the numbers. >> this all happened extraordinarily quickly, which is a good thing. i mean, triumphant for science. but i know there are a lot of parents asking, was there sufficient testing done that would assure parents that their kids aren't going to be harmed? >> yeah, so there is no long-term data, because as you point out, novel virus, vaccines that were really based on
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technology that was decades old. so that's reassuring. but there is no trial that's longer than a year. however, we do have, literally, billions of people that have received vaccines around the world, adults, and some children, and we have the trials of children going on around the world. and what i will say is any serious adverse effects, we have started to see on average within two to three weeks of the vaccine, myocarditis, any clots, anything that we worry about, stephanie, we see those within weeks. we will never have the answer for those quote long-term side effects for years. that's important, but you have to also weigh, what is the risk of my child or someone in my household or someone we know that could suffer from not just the bad effects, but some of the long zroms of covid. talk to your pediatrician. for me, my benefits outweigh the risks. that's why i vaccinated my children and recommend it to patients.
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>> is there any proof you're at increased risk of an adverse reaction to the vaccine if you've already had covid? >> no, in fact, what's interesting, stephanie, the cdc took time to look at how many children in the population have the had covid. they estimate that 42% of children without a positive test probably have had covid just based on how many children in a population might have antibodies. so we know a lot of children have had them. and in those trials as well as in real-world evidence that we're getting right now, we know children with positive antibodies benefit and generate even more antibodies that can protect them against different variants. in short, having the vaccine on top of having had the infection, much better than the infection alone. >> in short, you, kavita patel, make us stronger and smarter and safer every time you join us. always good to see you. >> thank you. >> coming up next, get ready.
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people may be literally dancing in the streets this afternoon. after 13 years, the one and only britney spears could be a free woman! we'll take you to the courthouse in l.a. just ahead of this critical hearing. ahead of this critical hearing s room. ♪♪ ♪♪ dad, why didn't you answer your phone? ♪♪ your mother loved this park. ♪♪ she did. ♪♪
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we've got to end on a hopefully high note. new this morning, a potentially pivotal day for britney spears. a judge could decide whether to finally end the 13-year
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conservatorship that has controlled her life, her finances, her everything, for as i said, more than a decade. i want to go right to emilie akida in los angeles. >> there's going to be a lot of people out here today. something similar to what we saw back in september. but there are a number of different ways this could play out. this is a multi-faceted issue. there's the conservatorship of britney spears' person and the conservatorship of her finances. her $16 million estate. and both parties are in agreement that this should end, so we'll likely see some kind of movement this afternoon. but we're hearing from legal experts. there's a greater chance that the judge decides to terminate the conservatorship of her person, which could mean that she could vote, she can make medical decisions, she could get married. we've heard a lot about that on social media. her fiancee posting overnight a video of the pair, wearing "free britney" t-shirts, they're
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dancing. and we expect the free brittney movement will be out here in full force. but right now, it's just a waiting game. >> did you say she wasn't allow to vote? >> i think i lost you there. what'd you say? >> did you say she wasn't allowed to vote. >> yeah, that's one of the freedoms, the rights that she would get if they do terminate the conservatorship of her person. >> that is next-level. emilie, we are going to be watching that hearing all day. that wraps up this hour, though. i am stephanie ruhle. thank you for watching. jose diaz-balart picks up breaking news coverage right now. and good morning. it's 10:00 a.m. eastern, 7:00 a.m. pacific. i'm jose diaz-balart. president biden is putting the focus on infrastructure, as prices for food, fuel, and other items continue to go up. we'll talk about the importance of all of this with florida democratic congresswoman, debbie wasserman schultz. meanwh


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