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air tonight. with that, that is our broadcast this week. thanks for being here with us. have a good weekend, unless you have other plans. on behalf of our cold leers here at nbc news, good night. d night. >> rachel has the night off, she will be back on monday however. here is something that is worth watching if you didn't see today, i'm gonna tell you this is not an exciting piece of tape, in fact it is so bland and normal that if we were living at any other time we might not even bother playing it for you, but this is worth seeing. this was the republican candidate for governor of new jersey today conceding last week's election which he lost in new jersey's incumbent democratic governor. >> to those who are disappointed that i am conceding, to those whose faith in our election system is
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shaken, to those who are angry that i am not asking for a recount today, let me say this, i've worked every day and night for 22 months to become new jersey's governor. if you think i would be standing here today conceding if i thought i won this election, you couldn't be more wrong. i hate to lose. ask mayor deceit go. but i'm also someone who believes strongly in our republic and our democratic processes. enough votes have been counted, there does not appear to be a path to victory or the basis for a recount nor the we know of any systemic or widespread fraud. so no i see no proof that this election was stolen. >> i see no proof that this election was stolen, the republican candidate for governor of new jersey conceding defeat ten days after the election, assuring voters that the election was fair, that he lost fair and square, he doesn't like the outcome you
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don't have to like the outcome in a democracy. but he acknowledges that more people voted for the other guy on the left which is how concessions work. how many concessions beaches have you seen in your life? they're all the same. at some point we've all asked ourselves why do we have to perform this ritual after every election it is always the same speech, we all knew who won. why does the losing candidate even have to do this? but who -- we have had a crash course for why these are important. if that candidate doesn't succeed, if he says that he -- and their ponies are crooks, will eventually, you get this. and you know what they deserve? real genuine praise for doing what he did today, offering that full concession, unqualified defending the integrity of the election. it was a small matter, but somewhere in heaven a pro democracy angel got its wings.
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but also, can you believe that doing doubt, just saying the bare minimum, the votes for counting and i lost, now has to be singled out for praise one of republican does it. what would have been a routine afterthought in any election in previous times, now it is remarkable and noteworthy when it republican candidate acknowledges defeat and says that elections work. because that is decidedly not where most of the republican party is today. not only is it the central tenant of the republican party orthodoxy that the 2020 election was rigged and that donald trump actually won, but the violence of january six is now often defended as an appropriate response to that rigged election with the unavoidable implication that more violence will be appropriate in the future when republicans lose elections. here's newly-released tape of abc news john carl asking donald trump about january six, specifically about vice president mike pence who had to
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be whisked to a secure location as riders looked for him in the capital. >> were you worried about him throughout the siege? were you worried about him? >> i thought he was well protected. and i heard that he was in good shape. no, because i heard he was in good shape. but, but, no i think -- >> because you heard of those chants, it was terrible. >> the people were very angry. >> they were saying hang mike pence. >> it's common sense that you're supposed to protect -- how can you, if you know the vote is fraudulent, right? how can you pass on a fraudulent vote to congress. >> it's common sense, john, mike pence was supposed to overturn the election for me and when he didn't the people were very angry so of course they will want to hang him. that is some henry the eighth stuff right there, violence as a political weapon, do what i want and you won't get hanged, democracy cannot survive under
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those conditions. and so, that baseline premise of the investigation into january 6th, the justice department's charge hundreds of people with participating in the violence that they, and a special u.s. house committee is trying to learn everything there is to learn about how that violent attack came to be, who planned it, who funded it who promoted it and how. because in order to for the prevent of violence like, that there has to be consequences for participating in that violence or for minting it, or obstructing the investigation into it which brings us to today's big news about steve bannon. for the former trump campaign manager and white house strategist was indicted today by a grand jury in washington d.c.. if you're having a moment of déjà vu, is not your magic nation, this is actually the second time that steve bannon has been indicted in the last 15 months. the first indictment was a doozy, you may recall steve bannon was arrested at sea by none other than an armed unit
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of u.s. postal inspectors. who knew the post office had a navy? they gave us such headlines. former trump advisor steve bannon was cruising the connecticut coast on a mega yacht when federal agents charged him thursday morning with embezzling border wall money. if you need a moment to digest that, it's okay. also there is this one. but 152 foot long yacht steve bannon was arrested on is for sale for $28 million. as far as we can, tell the yacht is still for sale, if you have 28 million lying in the couch cushion and you don't mind doing business with people like that, this may be your moment. steve bannon was indicted last year for raising money from unsuspecting trump supporters, ostensibly to fund trump's border wall, but it allegedly actually using that money to lie in his own pockets. if i were trump, i might be mad about that, but trump pardon steve bannon during his final hours in office. that was the end of that
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indictment for steve bannon, until today steve bannon had been indictment free for 15 months. well, at least since trump has been gone from office. but, he has been indicted again, he is charged with two counts of contempt of congress for defying the house committee investigating january six, and the reason that these kinds of charges send shock waves to washington when they drop this afternoon, is not just because the fan in himself is this major trump world figure and a hugely influential voice in right-wing politics, and not even because this indictment is an escalation of the general six investigation but because this indictment breaks new legal ground. no one claiming executive privilege is, which was the excuse bannon gave for not cooperating with the committee, no one has ever been indicted by a grand jury for contempt of congress for doing that. the junior six committee subpoenaed him demanding documents, asking him to sit for a -- because he had conversations
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with various players including president trump in the days leading to general six. the day before the attack. january 5th, bannon said on his radio show quote, all hell is going to break loose tomorrow. bannon refused to cooperate and didn't show up for his deposition he said donald trump was invoking executive privileges over things the committee was asking for, the committee, and then the full house, even the handful of republicans voted to refer bannon to the united states attorney's office in washington d.c. for criminal contempt of congress. now here is the thing, the justice department isn't obligated to do anything with that referral. the justice department has to look at the relevant law and circumstances and decide whether there is a case that they want to pursue. as we said, no one has ever been prosecuted for contempt of congress while claiming executive privilege is. but in this indictment today, the justice department
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essentially says to steve bannon even if a former president were allowed to claim executive privilege is, which he is not, he cannot claim executive privilege over every document you might happen every single thing you might have said, you have to lay out what you have and he can shield specific things. but also, steve bannon you are not a government employee, you have been a private citizen for years. on january 5th you are a private citizen, and regardless of anything else, steve bannon, you just can't ignore congress. you have to show up and make your arguments, it took just three weeks from that contempt vote in congress for the d.c. u.s. congress to put the case to the grand jury and get an indictment. steve bannon is set to turn himself in on monday, if convicted he faces up to a year in prison on each of the two counts. this is the kind of speed and aggressiveness that democratic investigations in congress could only dream of from the
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trump justice department when they were facing uncooperative witnesses. this is a huge step forward in terms of accountability to congress and by extension to the american people. now there are questions, will this contempt case just drag on forever like previous attempts by congress to force testimonies from uncooperative witnesses, and perhaps most importantly, what effect will this charge have on of the recalcitrant witnesses in the general six committee? today trump's white house chief of staff mark meadows also just didn't show up for a deposition where he was subpoenaed. will he or others now think differently about how they respond to the committee now that the justice department is showing that it is willing to indict on contempt charges and quickly? i have the guy to ask, joining us now it's jamie raskin he's a member of the select committee investigating the attack on the united states capitol on january six. he was also one of the impeachment managers when
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donald trump was impeached for his role in that attack. congressman raskin, good evening to you, thank you for making time for being with us tonight. >> you bet. >> i noticed in an article written by katie benner why will be speaking within a few moments, you gave her a quote in which you said it is great to have a justice department that is back in business. earlier you tweeted in fact that the indictment shows that donald trump and his allies are not above the law and the american justice system is back in business, you are very confident in this move. this is significant. >> well, what happened under attorney general bill barr was that we had an attorney general who was essentially acting like a white house counselor at best, a personal lawyer to the president of the united states up until the very end when bill barr decided to jump off that sinking ship and he turned against the president, but up until then he was following orders. so it's good to have a u.s.
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attorney that is able to enforce law against clear defiance of a congressional subpoena, and it is great to have a grand jury that hears all of the evidence and renders a judgment according to the rule of law. i like the statement that attorney general garland made when he said that he was going to adhere to the rule of law, follow the facts and he would pursue equal justice under the law. i have to ask you, is it your sense, and you are legal scholar, is it your sense that the justice department can compel steve bannon to testify or can they simply take action against him for not agreeing to his deposition and not supplying the documents necessary? in other words, does he face of fine and jail time, can they actually get him in front of you? >> the justice department has the power and courts have the power to do both. but those are separate actions, here we pursue criminal contempt, and there is a
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criminal offense, he violated the law when he stood us up, when he blew off the subpoena and he violated the law when he refused to produce the documents and the papers we were looking for. but, at the same time, on a parallel track, if we bring a civil contempt action against him, the courts also have the power to compel him to testify and to bring us those document. if he doesn't, he can be held, again, behind bars but he has the key to his own freedom as they say, because all he has to do is testify turned over the documents and he can get out of jail on the civil contempt side. on the criminal contempt side, if he is found guilty he could be sentenced to jail or to probation or some other kind of diversionary punishment. >> so, the one hope, the primary hope is that you get the information that you want for him. steve bannon is an important character on a lot of levels, not just because he was an
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adviser to donald trump, but in fact, he did in fact say on january 5th, all hell is going to break loose the next day. but he was in that war room in the willard, he was involved in the planning of this. on one hand you want the information in the documentation that steve bannon has, on the other hand, the shot across the bow here for everybody else including mark meadows, the former member of congress, one of your colleagues, what decided also not to show up and submit his information, are you hopeful that this will send a message to all of them that this justice department means business? >> well, in general, one hopes that the enforcement of law in any kind of case whether we are talking about sexual assault or embezzlement or obstruction of justice will result in deterrence for other people committing the same offense this is a criminal prosecution a criminal indictment that has been handed down and i hope that the metal is sent by this as an all other cases that you
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don't trifle with a court subpoena or a congressional subpoena. that is in order to appear. i want to be clear, he may have had certain privileges that he could've asserted, he could've come in and had some questions that he answers and others that he said i take the fifth, i might be incriminating myself. he could try his rather outlandish executive privilege claim, even though he wasn't working for the executive branch of government. but you have to make it in the case of specific questions, that opposed to, you can't just blow off the whole proceeding, i think the grand jury got that and i am sure that a petty jury will also take all of the facts under advisement here. obviously, if you're the actual department of justice you can skip some of these things. because of a subpoena you, or they go to question you, you can't lie to them. is it your sense of the department of justice is actively pursuing an investigation that is parallel to the one that the january six
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committee is conducting, or you the only game in town right now, trying to get to the bottom of what's happened on january 6th, who funded it, who knew about, it who organized it? >> well, that's a good question, are charge under the resolution that created this, 5:03, is to develop a complete and comprehensive report on what took place in the eighth attack on american democracy. which was the most dangerous attack, to my estimation, on american democracy since the civil war and it could actually lead to a civil war had the inside coup actually executed. if mike pence had gone along with what donald trump was trying to force him to do. which was to refer electoral college votes back to the states, power which he doesn't have under the constitution. that could've led to a real constitutional crisis and real violence. so, very serious problem that
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is presented to us, our job is to report back to the american people. to give a complete factual report, but also to make relevant legislation about what we can do about the return of such a nightmare anywhere in the future. it's also the case, of course, that the department of justice is engaged in prosecuting the literally, hundreds of criminal offenses that took place on january 6th. from, the most simple kinds of offenses like disorderly conduct and stress test all the way up to violent offenses. i think the first plea bargain took place for a violent offender who assaulted a federal officer and was sentenced to 41 months, three and a half years in prison. and they are going to be working their way up, as i perceive it, to other violent offenses, and then all the way up to the people who were actually perpetrating a conspiracy against the united states to try to interfere with the presidential election.
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and nearly overturn the government. again, that's a guess on my part, i have no idea what charges are forthcoming. in most organized crime prosecutions, they work their way up to the most simple offensives to the more complex was. >> as far as guesses go, i'll take yours, a couple weeks ago we were discussing this very discussion, and you -- something serious, and despite the fact that this hasn't happened before, you get on that one was correct. good to see you as always, thanks for joining us this evening. >> great to see you, well. >> congressman jamie raskin is the member of the house select committee on january six, he was the impeachment manner during the second impeachment of donald trump. former united states attorney for the northern district of alabama, and katie benner the york times justice department reporter who is right down the story today. is required reading, thanks to both of you for being here. katie, i want to go a little further on the question that i had with representative or ask, about who is looking into this?
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where is the corpus of information going to come from? because, as you mentioned, and you reported on, the justice department is prosecuting lots, and lots, and lots of people, but the folks being prosecuted for disorderly conduct and trespass, are not going to get us all the way down the road of who started this, who fermented it, who funded it, who organized it, who portrait shaded. it is our bigger investigation going at the justice department mirrors or poor air levels the one that this congressional committees undertaking? >> sure, so, first i would say that your questions also been echoed by judges here in this district, we saw the chief judge barrel howell, said the judges approach to this investigation. she called it schizophrenic, and you're charging document you call this one of the worst terrorist attacks to be committed on american soil, you said this is a travesty, but when i see before me is misdemeanor and low-level charges that don't match these kinds of statements. but she's essentially saying is,
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where the people who support the kind of case that you've come before me with? we do know that the justice department investigation is ongoing at the u.s. attorney's office in washington d.c.. the u.s. attorney, the senate confirmed attorney matt graves has just begun. it was very unlikely that any sort of political and fraud charge before the senate confirmed u.s. attorneys in place, and now is there. and this was when we can start to wonder whether the department is going to bring the kinds of charges that chief judge howell would match the rhetoric of the government has been presenting in court. >> and joyce, it's an interesting conversation, because there are lots of discussions, you've been with me for them, so is katie, that some people people say you can't participate in an insurrection and get away with it, we need to throw the book at them, but most of these people are dupes, whether not you agree with what they did. ten years ago, these are probably not the people who would say they would participate in an insurrection and violent police at the
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capitol. we need to get beyond just them, and is it's the best way to do it? is what you saw today, the arrest warrant for steve bannon, is getting us closer to the heart of the matter? >> so, i think it's really impossible to say whether this is an omen of anything else to come. this is the justice department, enforcing a subpoena for congress, fulfilling its obligation in that regard. doj has shown something today that i think we have questions about up until now, and that is their ability to conduct an investigation and put together an indictment without any word of it leaking out. i don't think anyone had any idea that this was coming, today. so, is doj running a parallel investigation looking at the criminal, sort of, equivalent of what congress is looking at? we don't know. but ali, i'll tell you, there's a very interesting question here as to whether or not there is some sort of a conspiracy,
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we've seen doj prosecute low-level participants, now they're beginning to prosecute people who are more violent. people who attacked police officers, and committed other felonies, the real question is whether this turns into what prosecutors call a wheel conspiracy, where there are a hub of people at the center who have spokes going out along the wheel who were directing people organized and people or bring people to washington. i would be very surprised if the doj weren't giving those people consideration, without having considered prosecution. >> katie, obviously there are a lot of people wondering about the politicize asian of the justice department, or the de politicize asian of the justice department. merrick garland, you included as quoted in the article, since my first day off i promised department employees that we show the american people by word indeed that the department it here is to the rule of law
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false, the facts and law, and pursues equal justice under the law. today's charges reflect the department steadfast committed to these principles. you when i talked about this earlier that the fact that the justice department needs to be careful not to be seem to be, the democrats justice department, and joe biden's justice department. because the prior justice department had no qualms about been donald trump's justice department. >> absolutely, i think that for people who want to see an impartial justice department, the antidote to what we saw on the previous administration is not for merrick garland to be joe biden's department, it is to follow the facts and the law. now, this investigation, if you follow the facts and law, people can still walk away very dissatisfied. i reported much earlier this year, that there is a controversy inside the attorney's office in washington, d.c., in which some career prosecutors really wanted to, just, make an association list, who is a member of the proud boys and the oath keepers, and investigate them. now, we know that in the united
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states of america, being a member of a group like the oath keepers of the proud boys, is not something that is illegal. you can run investigation like that. so there were other career fbi agents, career prosecutors, and other officials in d.c. who pushback on that approach, saying that's not what we do in the united states. so unless they can build from the ground up, unless they can show by doing what joyce said looking at the, folks that they've already charged, and making those from connections moving higher, and higher, and higher. toward a centralized locust control where they can actually prove that there is intent to attack the capital, not just a range of protest, which by the way's first amendment protected activity. we are all allowed to find people to get them to come to protests, that's not against the law. unless those things can be proven, it will be really difficult. and we have to keep in mind that merrick garland is dedicated to fall in the facts on the law, he's not educated outcomes. >> joyce, i want to ask you, you are a great legal minded analyst, and writer, and a
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professor for us. but you are actually prosecutor, and i want the prosecutor hat for the moment. the january six committee is considering holding mark meadows, according to business insider in criminal contempt, because he didn't show up for his deposition. do you have a sense that this move by the justice department is a double edged, a sort of two-pronged thing. one, is that it's to get steve bannon to provide his information, and to his salon as anybody else who might be dodging the committee know were serious? >> that's always my goal as a prosecutor, there are principles that animated our criminal justice system. one of the major ones is deterrence, we want to deter people, generally, from violating the laws. and we want to deter specific people from violating the laws. so yes, to the extent this steve van and prosecution sends a message to other potential witnesses, both in this investigation and other congressional inquiries. then that would be a deliberate step, a deliberate goal of the
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prosecution that i would have as a prosecutor. >> thank you to both of you for your insight tonight, the former u.s. attorney, joyce vance for the northern district of alabama, and the new york times justice department reporter katie brown are. well steve bannon faces the consequences of his actions, but democrats in congress took a big step today to punish one of the republican colleagues for something he did this week. the woman leading the effort, congresswoman jackie speier's joins us next. congresswoman jackie speier' joins us next. joins us next. move to a sofi personal loan. earn $10 just for viewing your rate — and feel what it's like to get your money right.
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president trump's longtime exile advisor steve bannon facing two counts of contempt of congress, each one with the potential of up to a year in jail has got me wondering if republicans across the board might wake up to the fact that there are consequences for their actions. in the entire history of the house of representatives, only about two dozen congressman, not members of congress because they've all been men have been given the formal punishment of center for their actions. censure is essentially a public
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shaming, the first ever congressman to get such a punishment was congressman william stand barry in 1832, this guy. he was guilty of the adorable sounding crime of accusing the speaker of the house of having presidential ambitions. i think you're going to run for president, no i am not. despite that origin, censure is a very serious punishment, it's been used to reprimand congressman for all sorts of things including physically assaulting another member of congress, making statements supporting the confederacy during the civil war, selling military equipment and sexual misconduct. a group of democrats in the house submitted a resolution to use this punishment once again to reprimand the arizona congressman paul gosar, this past sunday he tweeted a video depicting an anime version of himself killing the democratic congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez and attacking president joe biden.
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congress woman ocasio-cortez was one of the highest profile targets of the very real and very violent attack on our capitol less than a year ago. now, gosar has had all week to apologize for the video but he hasn't. instead he put out to means mocking democrats for caring about it. god forbid anyone be concerned that a sitting u.s. congressman is spending the flames of a violent moment and animosity towards their own colleagues. it doesn't matter where congressman gosar is on this, because it is not his call whether or not his actions have consequences. joining us now is the democratic congresswoman jackie speier, co-chair of the democratic women's caucus and one of the least sponsors of today's resolution calling for the censure of representative paul gosar. thank you for being with us tonight. you and i have had a lot of conversations over the year, we haven't talked about -- you've been a real victim of violence in 1978, you were shot several times on the tarmac on jones town.
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you take this stuff, everybody should take it seriously, and you shouldn't have to been a victim of violence tickets are sly. this is not a moment in time that seems appropriate for anime cartoons depicting the killing of a member of congress. >> ali, thank you for raising this issue tonight because the silence equals tacit approval, and the fact that the minority leader, kevin mccarthy hasn't spoken up, the fact that he hasn't condemned it. the fact that paul gosar has not apologized speaks volumes about how there has been a degradation in the house of representatives that you can actually suggest killing a member of congress, going to battle with the president physically and somehow that is okay. having been a victim of violence in guyana, 43 years ago having had to wear body armor because there were
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threats against me when i was in the state legislature having had someone actually convicted more recently having made threats to me, convicted any court case, i am not unfamiliar with this. certainly, congresswoman ocasio-cortez has been the butt of so much of this, and has had security details for a good part of her time in congress because of the threats that had been seen as serious against her. to have paul gosar do this is deeply troubling and at some point we have to say that this crosses the line and by introducing this resolution now and 72 cosponsors, we are saying that this crosses the line and we condemn this and we are going to call on the congressman to have to speak to in. >> you are a clear voice over
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the past years, the discussion of sexual violence, part of the resolution speaks about the particular effect that women, particularly women in congress face, i want to read part of, it it says whereas in 2016 survey by the union found that 82% of women parliamentarians have experienced psychological violence and 44% received threats of death, sexual violence beatings or abductions during their term. a lot of people out there, a lot of our viewers and a lot of men in congress, it wouldn't be clear to then the extra burden that comes with being a woman, let alone a high-profile woman in congress these days. >> well, that's true and we are oftentimes the target of a lot of this abuse, i can tell you that when we were concerned
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about then candidate kamala harris, i spoke to someone, and pointed to 22 incidents where there were cartoons that were crass and gross and that violated the terms of use of facebook and asked them to be much more aggressive in shutting that kind of conduct down, all we need to do is light of fire and you can have a firestorm. >> congresswoman good to see you, thank you for joining us this evening, we appreciate the time that you have taken in this important issue. congresswoman jackie speier. we have much more to come tonight, stay with us. t, stay with us. seriously? one up the power of liquid, one up the toughest stains. any further questions? uh uh! one up the power of liquid with tide pods ultra oxi. ♪♪ ♪♪
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profile and high stakes trial underway in virginia where 24 neo-nazis, white supremacists and organizers of the 2017 unite the right rally are currently on trial after being
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sued by some people who were injured that day. today was day 15 in that trial, i have to tell, you there is something very odd that happen this week, because there are no cameras allowed in federal court. there is a public dialing number when anyone can call and hear the arguments. it's supposed to be a listen only lined, it has allowed people to dial into a court and listen in. but during a lunch break, some people were able to unmute their lines on the call where the public and listen to the arguments to say some truly viable things. here is the buzzfeed report, quote, one shouted make america great again and promoted a white supremacist podcast on which one of the defendants has appeared. one chimed in with read siege, which is a reference to a manifesto written by a neo-nazi. a third man wanted to make sure what he was about to say could be heard by the hundreds of people on the line. testing, testing, he said and
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then he uttered the n-word three times and hung up the phone. moments after the public dialing was hijacked with hateful messages, on the messaging app telegram, some listeners were thrilled about their efforts, and on that platform, on a channel that was run by supporter and friend of one of the defendants, the neo-nazis took credit for spewing those horrible comments. this is not an isolated incident or a fluke. supporters of these neo-nazis and white supremacist have launched a coordinated effort to essentially use the trial to spread their hateful beliefs. vice news reports that supporters of the defendant and new nazi jason kessler quote launched a coordinated effort to call into the trial en masse forcing it to its limit to exclude media and researchers from listening in. it's not just supporters who are using the trial to amplify and relish in their messages of hate, one of the neo-nazis defendants christopher cantwell who is representing himself in the trial went on a right-wing
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podcast last week to celebrate his performance in the courtroom. he said, i consider this a spoken word performance, and i take this kind of thing seriously, especially once i found out people were going to be able to listen in. i thought this was a tremendous opportunity, both because of the cause at hand, and because i knew the world was listening. i look like a star. the headlines this week about the trial say it all, neo-nazis are trying to hijack the unite the right trial and turn it into a podcast, why the nazis are treating their trial in charlottesville like a joke. it's part of the strategy. perhaps even the ideology. and white supremacist find a new platform to spread hate, a federal courtroom in charlottesville. a new platform to spread hate. i cannot remember ever seeing something like what is happening in that charlottesville courtroom happened before. as rachel likes to say, watch this space.
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pretty dramatic, and what he said at the end means thank you in the tuvalu language. today was supposed to be the final day not big international climate so meant, but the negotiators from 197 countries have blown past the deadline, and are essentially going into overtime to attempt to reach a deal for the breach of the planet. not reaching a deal by the end of the conference is sort of a tradition of these climate summits, as diplomats try to hammer out key provisions of the last minute. as veteran climate activist bill mckibben points out, the 1997 climate conference in kyoto did not and until workers came in to start setting up for a children's furniture convention the same place. but the push to continue these talks is no sign that world leaders are not ready to give up and neither are the activists who are pushing down for change. today, hundreds of climate activists staged a dramatic walk out from the conference, demanding bold, immediate solutions to the climate crisis.
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you can hear than their chance -ing, we are unstoppable, another world is possible. with the faith of humanity hanging in the balance, what should we expect from these 11th hour negotiations? that's just the person to ask, joining us now is, in fact, bill mckibben. veteran climate activist, and founder of 3:50 dot org, he's been one of the leading climate change activists in america, in the world really, for decades. he was one of the first social movement leaders to build grassroots political support, to push political action on climate change. his organization led the years on campaign to stop the keystone xl pipeline, and he has been to every one of the summit since 1997. bill, good to see you, thank you for joining us this evening. >> well, what a pleasure to be with you, i was in glasgow last week, and i'm back home now but i have great, great affection for those activists who are trying to keep this thing going. make it come out in as good places possible. >> you filed to substack an
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article, it's 11 pages, and i was reading through it, and as i read through page one i was devastated. it sounded so sad, about what you're talking about, i'm just gonna pull a couple lines here, it's gone from talking about phasing out coal, to phasing out unabated cole, from ending fossil fuel subsidies, to ending inefficient fossil fuel subsidies. and on the deepest question, how much and how fast we are playing to cut emissions heating the planet, there has been no real advance. are you optimistic? because this sound, and the start of this, and others want more of this, sounded very pessimistic about why we have achieved, during this time that in theory we have all agreed that it is a climate crisis. >> well, look, this particular conference here in glasgow, could have turned out differently. i think we lost that chance right at the beginning, and it was largely due to american politics. joe biden came over at the beginning of the conference and the plan was for him to come
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quayle man boarded a train in new orleans and took a seat in the whites only car on the east we louisiana where road, his name was homer plus, he took that seat deliberately, was part of an as flirt by local civil rights activists to test louisiana's separate car act, a law that required railways to have separate but equal accommodations for blacks and whites passengers. mr. was asked to leave, when he refused he was arrested in place in the orleans parish jail, his lawyers argued in court that louisiana as mandated segregation violated his rights, but the judge presiding over the case, a man by the name of john howard ferguson ruled that the state was free to make those laws. that case, plus he versus ferguson made its way to the supreme court and in a landmark 7 to 1 ruling, the court found that separate but equal facilities did not violate the united states constitution that, ruling allowed segregation to
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continue for another 58 years. it made discrimination legal in nearly every aspect of daily life. buses, schools, drinking fountains, restaurants and hotels. that is until 1954 when the supreme court made a unanimous decision to overrule it in the brown versus board of education case. but homer plessis never got to see that victory, he pled guilty to violating the separate car act, was fined $25. he died in 1925, with that unjust conviction on his record and the knowledge that plessis versus ferguson was the law of the land. today we got prove that even though history might take a while to right itself, it usually does. in sometimes in some very surprising ways. and unlikely duo has been working together to clear mr. plessis's name, they are the descendant of homer plessis and judge ferguson. the judge who ruled against him all those years ago. both sides join together and petition the louisiana board of
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pardons to clear plessis's record. and today, almost 125 years after his conviction that board voted unanimously to do the right thing. the pardon now goes to the governor for approval. and finally, justice that has been a long time coming. that does it for us tonight, rachel will be back on monday. >> tonight on all in. >> all hell is gonna break loose tomorrow, all i can say is strap in. stephen k. bannon indicted by federal grand jury. >> there is no doubt that mr. bannon knows far more. >> tonight what we know about bannon's surrender, what we know about the charges he faces and what this means for the investigation. the other witnesses attempting to stonewall the committee. >> you cannot blow off a subpoena in america. >> then, the jaw-dropping you evidence of donald trump's complete disregard for the life of his own vice president. >> you heard those chants, that was terrib