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coming up, we're going toll dive deeper into the concept of celebrities changing the narrative and reclaiming their own identity, specifically when it comes to body image. plus, republicans have mainly stayed out of the spotlight when it comes to infrastructure talk, but the backlash for the 13 members who voted with the democrats has dragged their own fighting into the public scare. and across europe, a new wave of covid cases. is what's happening abroad a warning sign for what's ahead here in the united states? i'm ayman mmohyeldin. let's get started.
so the recent fights on capitol hill over infrastructure and social spending have featured plenty of democratic infighting, nothing new there. until now republicans have managed to stay out of the spotlight, but that is beginning to change as some very public fractures are emerging within the gop. republicans in the biden era have defined themselves by one characteristic. they are against whatever joe biden and his party are far. that's it, pure and simple. and gop leaders know that any crack in their wall of opposition could cost them the chance to flip the house in 2022. now, one fracture became apparent this week when 13 house republicans who voted for the bipartisan infrastructure bill faced a wave of harassment, including, yes, death threats, from the trump-aligned party base. congressman adam kinzinger received a call from someone telling him to, quote, slit his wrists and rot in hell.
and another said they hoped don bacon with slip and fall down a staircase. they pale compared to these messages. listen just to one. >> voted for dumb[ bleep ] biden. you dumb [ bleep ] traitor piece of [ bleep ]. hope you [ bleep ] die, i hope your [ bleep ] family dies. i hope everyone on your staff dies. >> now, as the party faithful wish death on members of congress, their staff and families, house republican leader kevin mccarthy and his deputies have remained silent, refusing to denounce the comments or even come to the aid of their own 13 beleaguered republican colleagues. it may not be surprising to learn that many of those threats seem to have come as a result of an action by georgia comewoman marjorie taylor greene.
she described her party as traitors and tweeted there are 13, air quote, republicans who handed over their voting cards to nancy pelosi. below that post was another that contained the phone numbers of each of her 13 colleagues and her followers, as you can imagine, appear to have been listening. "the new york times" reported that a vast majority of the calls were made by voters outside the targeted lawmakers' districts. now, it's too early to tell whether this gop fracture two drops into actually full-blown -- a full-blown fight, but based on past experiences, one thing seems clear. marjorie taylor greene is unlikely to face any consequences from her party's leadership. for more on that, let's bring in our saturday night panel. susan del percio and michael star hopkins, attorney and contributor to "the hill." susan, i'll start with you.
because there's another part that we left out in that introduction. in addition to these 13 threats received by those 13 republicans, we learned this week that trump defended the calls by those in january 6th to hang mike pence. watch. >> were you worried about him during that siege? were you worried about him? >> no, i thought he was well protected and i had heard that he was in good shape. no, because i had heard he was in very good shape. but -- but -- no. >> you heard those chants. that was terrible. you know, the -- >> he could have -- well, the people were very angry. >> all right, so, as trump there stonewalls the january 6th committee investigating the insurrection, his supporters are threatening school board members, poll workers and through it all, kevin mccarthy, who wants to be speaker of the house, remains silent. not even condemning the violence against members of his own party. why has the gop seemed to embrace violence instead of
condemning it and why is there just complete silence in this country around that? >> well, i'm going to break it into two parts, ayman. one is leadership within the republican party and the other is these grassroots organizations and republicans that are what we call the base right now. i think the base republicans are so far beyond donald trump in what they do and what -- donald trump doesn't lead them anymore. they just go out and commit these violent acts. they are very dangerous in the way they are going to school board meetings and attacking local officials. when it comes to donald trump, he has -- as the president of the united states, he basically said it's okay to speak violence. and to encourage violence. and kevin mccarthy, i mean, i said this a while back, i don't think that kevin mccarthy's actually going to be speaker if the republicans take back the
house. he has shown zero leadership. he's been there for donald trump picking out the right starbursts, i guess, but other than that, he really can't stand behind anything. even his own caucus, he doesn't -- he's silent. there's got to be some room for decency. and as far as those 13 members of congress, you know what they did? you want to know what their high crime was according to that woman from georgia? >> they voted for an infrastructure bill. >> they voted for bridges and tunnels. >> god forbid. >> i mean -- i can hardly imagine that's what elected officials do. >> imagine the idea of wanting to have a bridge making you a traitor in this country. that's how low we have sunken if you're a member of the republican party who is threatening these guys. michael, let's talk about another high profile republican, steve bannon. what do you make of the case
there? there has certainly been a struggle to hold even nonelected former trump officials like steve bannon accountable. but does this bannon indictment give you any kind of hope? >> well, i got to say i'm glad the doj has been silent while they've made this decision. and it's been really nice to see, whether you're a republican or democrat, someone held accountable when they fail to show up when congress demands it. and the only way the system works is if people actually show respect to it. if they show deference to it. when steve bannon and mark meadows and the rest of the lot who have been subpoenaed fail to show up, they disrespect the system and weaken it. and so this, i think, at least puts some teeth in kind of the argument that congress is a serious body. >> yeah, and i was going to say, i heard earlier on this network make the point even in this moment, where the doj is going after steve bannon, indicting him, he is still being given the privilege of turning himself in on monday.
that does in the in and of itself mean he's going to spend time in prison or that he has to give the information to congress. so it could still be -- >> i was a public defender there -- >> yeah, go for it. >> most of my clients didn't get to turn themselves in. most of my clients didn't get the ridiculous privileges that a lot of these guys are getting. they'd get dragged in, they were treated roughly, it was a seedy jail cell. >> yeah. >> this is the perfect example of two different americas. >> steve bannon gets at least one more weekend before he has to turn himself in on monday morning. >> susan, i want to go back to these 13 house republicans here. and we were kind of joking around about it that they just simply want bridges and cleaner pipes, i guess, and they're being accused of being traitors. but what's really more important to me is the issue of bipartisanship. it's only 13 republicans in the house out of 200-plus some number.
is this a sign that within the republican party, you cannot work with the democrats at all? >> well, and just also highlight on the senate side, there were 19 republicans that also signed on, so it really showed even more bipartisanbipartisanship i senate. 4 i don't know. to me it shows that republicans care about infrastructure. they always have. and that this was something that was made simple for them to do. the biden administration brought forward infrastructure. they divided it with the build back better and the social safety net and that allowed what this country has been wanting for almost -- for decades now, is bringing back a real investment in solid infrastructure. republicans can get behind that. i cannot imagine them getting behind much more, to be honest. >> you brought up an interesting point about the 19 democrats. why is it that the 19 democrats in the senate at least have not
received the kind of accusations that the 13 in the house have received? is it because they don't have a marjorie taylor greene type of person who incites some of this reaction inside the senate? or how do you explain the dichotomy between why those 19 senators, the republicans who are voting for the bipartisan infrastructure bill, they're not getting the same kind of heat as the house republicans? >> well, first of all, it happened in august. so -- and it happened really before a lot of specifics came out on the part two, if you will, the build back better. so it was allowed to be an infrastructure bill and nothing else. it is in part the way the house works, whether it's on the democrat or republican side, there tends to be more infighting, if you will, and at times name calling.
it happens on both sides. although only right now on the republican side do you see, you know, cartoons of killing a member of congress, which is completely unacceptable. but i do think that at this point even the senate, they want to just -- they're done. that's it. that's it. it's all that's happening -- >> this is about political courage, though. let's be clear. this is purely about getting re-elected. so, donald trump, when he's the useful vessel, they go with donald trump. when infrastructure is up and they have an opportunity and they know their constituents want it, they will do that. it's the problem with the party at this point. >> to be fair, republicans have always liked infrastructure. i mean, that's not like they took a thing just to get re-elected. >> yeah, absolutely. >> it's been infrastructure week for four years during trump, they couldn't get it done. if they liked infrastructure so well, why didn't they get it done when they controlled -- >> he had a bigger number. >> i don't note about that, susan, i believe you, but i don't know if the party actually
believes that anymore. let me piflt a moment away from republicans here and talk about the democrats, michael. because you had this op-ed in "the new york times," former bill clinton adviser mark penn, a pollster, who argued senators manchin and sinema are not outliers. listen to centrists, push back on the left and reorient his policies to address the mounting economic issues that people are facing. what are your thoughts on this? mark penn correct here? should democrats pivot to the center? because when you look at the items in these bills, they poll consistently well above 60%, 70%, some even getting as high as 80% when you talk about family leave and other social programs.
>> mark penn and that pollster were both consultants for donald trump. i doubt know if i would take their advice on very much. here's what democrats need to do. they need to do a better job messaging. if you take the label off these policies, they get insanely high support. but once they get labeled as progressive or republicans label them as socialist, the numbers start to fall. and so, democrats need to start using by yog if is. they define americans and tell those stories of how the policies either will benefit them or how their lives are better because of them. this isn't a tough thing to do, but for some reasons, democrats are insanely bad at messaging and things haven't gotten much better. >> all right. susan del percio, michael starr hopkins, guys, stay with us. we've got a lot more to get to. still ahead, emily is changing the narrative. we're going to take a look at her campaign to be seen beyond her looks. plus, swifties are celebrating after taylor swift's new album. first, richard is here with the
headlines. some of the stories we're watching for you this hour. a man who stormed the capitol on january 6th was arrested friday. the former u.s. marine told a reporter that day he and fellow rioters were, quote, going to take the capitol building. he reached a plea agreement with prosecutors and will serve 60 days in jail. former las vegas raiders head coach jon gruden filed a lawsuit against the nfl this week. he's accusing roger goodell of launching a character assassination against him. gruden resigned after some of his emails were released,. >> and at least 68 inmates died at a gun battle in ecuador saturday between prison gangs and ecuador drug cartels. more "ayman" with ayman mohyeldin right after this break. bogeys on your six, limu. they need customized car insurance
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there is a common saying when it comes to celebrities that image is everything, but who owns that image? for model and actress emily ratajkowski, that was quite literally a question. she authored an essay called "buying myself back." in that essay, she observed, "i have learned that my image, my reflection, is not my own." her quest to take back ownership of her image is dock united in her new book "my body." so, what can the rest of us learn from her journey? my panel is back to discuss. michael, i'm going to start with you. an inherent part of celebrity is commodityfication. what do you make of her taking back this narrative? >> i mean, good for her. you know, i think people trying to monetize their image is something that's been going on for a long time and with emerging technology and all that kind of stuff, it's going to be really interesting to see how that changes. i say all that to say, as the lawyer on the panel and hundreds
of thousands of dollars in student loans, it depends. we'll see. >> susan, what's your take here? one review said it's hard to escape the obvious fact that while ratajkowski is indeed a victim of a culture that values women's beauty above all else, all women are victims of this. she still sits at the very top of the pile. valid criticism here or, again, reinforcing the stereotype from the people who say she shouldn't be complaining? >> well, i think she has a right to say what she wants to say. she wrote a book. people are buying it, they're reading it. and there is something important as -- you know, going through covid, people became much more connected to people even they don't know over social media, watching them on twitter, watching them on instagram, but i am particularly interested in what she has to offer, given what came out about two weeks ago, when we learned about the effects of instagram on young women and body shaming.
so, i think bringing this up and having a conversation is a good thing. i don't think there is any right or wrong. it is what she is choosing to do and people want to buy into it or want to complain about it, so be it. >> why do you think, just generally, susan, why do you think we're such an unforgiving society when it comes to these conversations? we can be so harsh sometimes when we're talking about celebrities and their personal struggles? >> well, you know, in the '50s, '60s, even the '80s, everyone had to be perfect all the time. sexuality, you didn't talk about it if you had a leading man that was gay, you can't even say those words. but when i think now is that actually, when you see a celebrity's warts, you feel more connected to them. you see they go through, you know, regular, every day problems and body image issues
and relationship problems. people like to see that. >> yeah, i was going to say, the openness is authentic makes people feel that these are real people and you can connect with them. and speaking of that, celebrities and their image, michael, you had jonah hill who made headlines when he asked people to stop making comments about his weight. he said, good or bad, i want to politely let you know that it's not helpful and doesn't feel good, much respect. as susan was mentioning, apps like instagram have made it easier for people to share their often unwanted opinions about these things. they have made it easier to forget celebrities are people just like us and always come mengt on the way people look is just not helpful. >> you took the worlds right out of my mouth. because we're inundated with celebrities all the time, we forget they're people with feelings and emotions just like the rest of us. and because of instagram and the other social media companies,
you get a more personal view into these people's lives and forget that they're not your friends, they're not your neighbor, you know, the comments that you make about them just because it's online, it can still hurt, it can still have an effect. and i think now you're starting to see celebrities talk more about mental health, the way social media as effected them. i'm not a celebrity, but it's why i got rid of all social media. >> michael, you have a little bit of a celebrity fan club. i remember -- >> just you, man. >> susan, i got to ask you about will smith here for a moment. he's an actor who has obviously opened up a lot about body transformation. he's got a new docuseries called "the best shape of my leitch." he takes the audience along with him trying to lose 20 pounds in 20 weeks, that's a bold goal there. we wish him the best of luck with it, though. he's a huge star. what's the benefit of him sharing this journey and his own struggles with body image when you're at the top of the acting world like him?
>> i think to say it's not easy is will smith's point. the other thing, the flip side of that is when you do something like this journey and make it public, people feel like they're part of it. you're inviting him into it. so, yes, do they feel like they own a piece of you? yes. maybe because they see your movie, they read your book, they buy your music. there is this back and forth with fans and celebrities that should be recognized and yet, when it comes to professional athletes, like we saw in tennis and gymnastics, it turned out the spotlight was just too much because of the mental stress it put on them during their performance in athletics. so, there is -- and they had to step away. so, there is something there, but fans feel like they own you, when you offer yourself up to them. >> i wonder, you know, and this is not to compare politicians and celebrities here, but i'm curious as to whether or not there is something to -- that
politicians can learn about being authentic from some of these celebrities. and we don't -- i feel like politicians, susan and michael, tell me if i'm wrong, they always seem to be switched on, like, sometimes they don't necessarily connect and when they do, it's a rare moment that you see a politician actually be authentic and share their own personal struggles in a way like that, because it could have a political consequence for them with voters. what do you think? susan, would you advise a politician to go out and talk about their vulnerabilities and share some of their own personal challenges when it comes to things like image and weight and not just policies, but like, personal struggles? >> yeah, well, we actually see it more with women than men. you hear a lot of survivors of breast cancer talk about that, there's the big softball game -- >> yeah. >> with congressional softball game that sponsors breast cancer awareness and i think that right
now, we just went through it, instagram, everyone has a phone. it's very hard to let down your guard because you never know who's coming at you. so politicians when they can be authentic, i just go to that jeff flake moment, when he was caught in the elevator during the kavanaugh hearing and saw a rape survivor and he asked for more time, that was an authentic moment that we knew happened. so there can be good that comes from it. >> what's your take, michael? do you think that politicians don't have the same vulnerabilities or have the ability to be vulnerable and share their concerns and image issues with the public, because the way our politics is right now, honestly, they would be pounced on by the other side. i think if somebody like aoc, so whenever she posts a personal story on instagram, the right just goes crazy over it and tries to make fun of her in every sense of the word. it's hard to imagine why anybody
would want to open up and share their own personal struggles if they are just going to get attacked. >> well, that's what i don't understand, in terms of politicians, like, why would you ever want to put yourself forward just to get ripped apart? when you think about politician who is really resonate and who we consider to be good kind of figures, the bill clintons, the barack obamas, it was because they resonated. it was because they had shortfalls and weaknesses. barack obama cried after sandy hook. you had bill clinton first struggling with his weight during the campaign and the infidelity issues. i mean, showing vulnerability, i think, makes you a better candidate. i know when i was preparing one of the presidential candidates in the 2020 race for presidential debates, that was one of the big things i told them. get away from the notes, get away from the prepared comments -- talk. talk about your life experience, things that people can relate to. >> that is risky. susan, what do you think about that strategy? you know there's -- i can think of a few moments off the top of my head when politicians go offscript and you're like, whoa,
no, stick so the script, please. >> please clap. >> please clap. i was going to say, there's definitely a double standard with how we treat men and women politicians in this country. there's no doubt about that. so, to michael's point, going offscript, smart or not smart? >> depends on the candidate. you can go offscript in a very scripted way, if you're a good politician. >> i like that, yeah. >> that's basically what you needs to do. >> susan, michael, don't go anywhere. we still have a lot more to talk about. coming up, world leaders continuing to work in glasgow on saturday after extending negotiations at the cop26 conference. we're going to break down next what you missed there. break dot what you missed there.
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climate mobility must come to the forefront. we must take bold, alternative action today to secure tomorrow. powerful image there, but delegates struggled to resolve major sticking points including financial support for poorer nations. india pitched for a last-minute change of criteria on use of coal, promising to phase down instead of phasing out coal power. and in an emotional address in the uk's cop26 president couldn't disguise his disappointment. >> i apologize for the way this process has unfolded and i'm deeply sorry. i also understand the deep disappointment, but i think as you have noted, it's also vital that we protect this package.
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so 20 months into this pandemic, we've come to live with the idea of a new normal. most schools, workplaces, bars, and restaurants are back in business, but masks, hand sanitizer, social distancing have essentially become our default way of life. and over 193 million americans are fully vaccinated. that's just under 59% of the population. not where it should be. and perhaps seasonal booster shots will be as common at the seasonal flu shot. maybe we're going to learn to live with covid like we live with the flu. but with more than 1,000 deaths across the country yesterday, we
are still a long way away from norm am. the u.s. reopened its borders to international travelers this week, but that comes as a fifth way is beginning in europe. as winter seventies in and people head indoors, the virus, which was thought to be under control, is anything but. europe has seen a jump of more than 50% in new coronavirus cases over the last month. the world health organization is warning that continent could see another half a million deaths by february. in the netherlands today, anti-lockdown protests clashed with police outside the hague. in germany, more than 50,000 new cases in a single day. and in austria, the country is preparing to put a lockdown on the unvaccinated as case numbers rise. so, is this new normal just a holding pattern in what could be another disastrous and deadly winter ahead for us here in the united states? let's bring in our panel back with us, michael star hopkins,
susan del percio. i want to get your reaction, your take with this virus. do you feel like we are living in a new normal or are you worried about where we're heading? >> well, it depends on if you've been vaccinated or not. if you've been fully vaccinated, people are getting the booster, then you can go on and live in the environment -- i don't like even saying new normal because i think we don't know what that norm am is going to even be at any given point. so, it's just where we are today. and for all of those who fight against the mask mandates and the vaccine mandates, it -- it destroys the country. it doesn't allow us to move forward. so, again, it depends where you are in the country and it depends if you're vaccinated or not. and it depends on who your governor is or not. >> that's true. your governor is probably more important in this than others
with the way things have been playing out. speaking of that, michael, you had the borders reopening recently, flights from europe and visitors coming in right before the holidays. you can kind of see it outside here at 30 rock, the christmas tree going up, it's starting to get crowded. do you think that was a smart move? obviously, the decision was made several weeks ago to open up the borders, so, that was set in motion, but here we are begin watching what is playing out in europe, numbers spiking, a fifth wave in some countries and our borders are once again completely open. smart move or not? >> i think it was kind of the move that we all saw coming. if you're in kind of a blue place, there's a high belief in the science. if you are living in a red state, i think a lot of the governors have treated it as if there's no crisis going on and so that's the normal anymore. so, what the federal government is doing is saying, all right, we're going to be testing, we're going to do temperature checks,
all the things to stop it from spreading as much as we can, but at some point, they have to start moving forward with the people who are actually vaccinated. and i think that's the messaging, because for the last six to eight months, democrats have been really kind of iffy and back and forth on whether masks are necessary, whether shots are kind of the right way to go. there's been a real mixed message. >> yeah, you could say that it's mixed messaging from day one with everything we are doing with this pandemic from masks to everything in between. schools -- >> it's new. >> of course, yeah. >> this isn't something we've had happen since 1918. it makes sense that there would be p changes in the science, changes in the messages, but i don't think, given where we are culturally, that's something people understand. >> i think the problem is it has to do more with the certainty with which it was presented to us from the beginning and the kind of like idea that it was kind of rammed down our throats by saying this is the only way to do it and a couple weeks or couple months later we learned something new and there isn't
the transparency to say, oh, we've learned more and this is not what we should do, we can navigate it by doing x, y and z. i think that's why there's the frustration or covid fa teej that's settling in. >> and i think it's really political. >> and we totally politicize everything in this country. >> yeah, i mean, we all live in silos. so, most people, their friends are all democrats, so they're democrats. if you're a republican, your friends are republicans. you're watching one network or another network and everything is a self-confirmation bias and i think that's contributing to a lot of this. >> yeah, no doubt about this. susan, the holidays are coming up. experts are reporting along with the global supply shortage, we're facing a massive shortage of rapid tests, which i still don't understand how two years into this we don't have an affordable at-home, reliable test, it's just mind boggling. do you see yourself having a normal holiday season? are you going to be doing what
you normally did before the pandemic? >> i actually am. that is my plan. now, to be fair, i don't travel for the holidays, usually, so i will be here in new york. >> must be nice. >> and we typically go out as a family, so, that's what we're doing this year, so, it's not a very extravagant thing, but i do think we have to look at that testing issue. i've been to several different events where you have to be tested within 72 hours and be vaccinated and that allows people to feel more comfortable, but you're spot-on when you say, how is it that we don't have affordable, quick, reliable testing? especially when it comes to our schools, because that's where a lot of the pent up covid frustration actually is, because everyone had their kids home with them. >> yeah. >> and now they're trying to get them back into school and if you have outbreaks, it really does kind of cause more of a daily panic than anything else. >> michael, not to pry into your
personal plans, but are you going to be spending a personal -- are you going to be spending thanksgiving in a way that you had been prior to the pandemic? and if so, if not, what are you doing differently? >> yeah, so, my whole family is going to get together for thanksgiving and it's going to be the first time we've done it since covid started. >> okay. >> but the perk to that is, everybody's vaccinated. and most of us have the booster. so, it's kind of those things allow us to get some semblance of normality. >> speaking of that, i know that we've been mentioning that there are, like, under 60% vaccinated here in u.s. the global rate is closer to 40%. they're not doing much better. and that sadly means that the virus is going to continue to mutate as we saw with the delta variant. and you just had the world health organization on friday saying that six times more booster shots of coronavirus vaccine are being administered daily than primary doses in low income countries. and the director general is coming this disparity a scandal
that must stop now. you just talked about having your booster shot, michael, what do you think? >>. the weather is great, my parents live in georgia, so, there you have it. >> we might try to go out west, we'll see. but seriously, on this -- on this issue of booster shots, should we be taking boosters while the rest of the world has not even gotten their primary dose, susan? >> i -- i think it's acceptable that we're taking our boosters. we are also getting at the biden administration has been very good about getting doses out, you know, millions upon millions
of doses out through the organization which name escapes me now, to get distributed. >> covax program through the u.n., right? >> yes. biden is the one that's really ramped that up and believes that's the way to go. i do not think there's anything wrong with taking care of our country and let's not forget, look at the number you put up. less than 59% of the people want the vaccination. anyone who wants a booster should be able to get it and then there is plenty out. >> michael, i got to ask you really quickly, final question -- let me just ask you this real quick, because i wanted to get to this. you had the ceo of pfizer this week take aim at people spreading misinformation. immediately the name comes up to name, joe rogan, aaron rodgers, should be treated as criminals. that's what the pfizer ceo is
saying, those spreading misinformation should be treated as criminals. what do you think? is that the right approach? >> no, i mean, look. it's not against the law to be stupid. if so, there would be a lot of people in jail. but we have to be smart about how we inform people and to the previous question, one of the smartest things that the biden administration is doing is focusing on foreign policy in terms of the covid response and us going out and getting other countries the vaccination. giving them access to the vaccine is a smart move. we saw that clinton and bush, it worked really well with hiv. we can make some good of it here. >> michael, susan, i bet you guys didn't think we'd be talking about steve bannon, emily ratajkowski, covid vaccines, all in the span of an hour. >> it's everything. >> guys -- >> it's great. >> we -- i appreciate your time this saturday evening. thank you guys for joining us. when we come back, we're going to talk about taylor swift. ♪♪
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