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become. they are more in favor of someone tweeting out a meme killing one of their colleagues. they think that's okay. but voting for infrastructure is bad. and unacceptable. because that goes against the party line. that is why they're the absolute worst. that is tonight's "the reidout." all in with chris hays starts now. tonight on all in. >> within the swing states. if you want to he can take military capability and place in the states and rerun an election in each state. >> new details on the length the trump team went to pressuring the pentagon to steal the election for him. and pushing bonkers theories about the head of the cia and server in germany. >> it is somehow related to this. i do not know whether good guys got it or bad guys got it. >> democrats move to republican sure republican for his threatening an may video.
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republicans try to kick moderates to the curb. plus. >> i'm running for governor. i want to tell you why. >> beto o'rourke taking on texas. joining me live tonight. and an interview on the ground breaking new 1619 project book. when all in starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm going to sketch out for you tonight a conspiracy theory. that was apparently floating around the former president of the united states and the upper echelon of power in the country. in the after math of the 2020 election. i have to say, it's a conspiracy so out landish and ridiculous the fact that anyone with a line of communication to the commander in chief believed it. is honestly shocking. and deeply concerning. according to the theory there's a computer server in germany. which contains evidence that a shadow deep state used rigged voting machines to change
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millions of votes in order to steal the election from trump and hand it to joe biden. here's powell one of the lawyers who worked with trump to attempt a coup. discussing this conspiracy two weeks after the election. >> there's reports that there was a piece of hardware. possibly a server. picked up in germany. is that true? is it related to this. >> that is true. it is somehow related to this. i don't know whether good guys got it or bad guys got it. >> that's a strange thing to ask out of context and answer in that way. i don't know if good guys got it. what are you talking about. that claim is out landish enough. a server that has a smoking gun evidence the election fraud tra didn't happen. that maybe the good guys or bad guys got. it gets weirder. according to the theory, then cia director traveled to germany to destroy the smoking gun server with all the evidence and
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conspiracy and stealing the election from trump. while she was there the conspiracy alleges something went wrong. she was injured possibly during the special forces raid. and again depending on who you believe she was either killed or detained. on treason charges. or still being held captive in germany. keep in mind. she's just chilling in virginia. as the head of the cia. she's not anywhere. she's there. that's what the theory says. you are thinking this is the kind of paranoid thinking only lives deep with the facebook groups and anonymous. reality is weirder than that. according to the book betrayal. powell, trumps lawyer, not only believed there was a secret server in germany with proof of rigged election. she also believed the part of the cia director being held at a political prisoner for hr role in the cover up. again, according to the book, powell that woman there, the president's lawyer. reached out to a senior trump intelligence official who worked
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in the pentagon. she knew him through the mutual associate michael flynn. she called him who she thinks will be a reliable ally and demands he take action. quote she has been hurt. and taken into custody in germany. powell told cohen. you need to launch a special operations mission to get her. powell believed she had embarked on this secret mission to get the server and destroy evidence. in other words the cia director was part of the conspiracy. okay. just take a second and drink this in. calls up someone high ranking official at the pentagon. saying, got to launch a special forces mission to go get back the cia director. who has been captured because she was trying to get back the secret server. what? donald trump's lawyer i guess revelation. according to to the reporter she was a true believer. calling up allies in the
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department of the defense to rescue the head of the cia. who she believed was guilty of a conspiracy to steal the election. remember this woman had the ear the trust of the former president. the most powerful man on earth. a man who when she made the call still had control of the nuclear codes. it's also worth noting the man she called was not just some random trump official. it makes sense why she would think he would be sympathetic to her conspiracy. during the early days of administration, he was a source that leaked information to house republican nunes about the surveillance of trump campaign officials by intelligence agencies. over their communications with foreign officials. you may not remember this. it was a big thing on fox. the unmasking scandal. it dominated trumps attention. that's what he's most known for. being a loyal soldier. he was first brought into the fold under the wing of michael flynn. trumps first national security
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adviser. flynn was on the job for 24 days before he was fired. pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi. part of the russia investigation. to receive a full pardon from trump. again this guy cohen bounced around a number of positions. in the administration. he was in the orbit. a trump guy. first to the justice department. the department of defense. and there the pentagon in the waning days of the administration he gets the call. the president's own lawyer. about the crazy germany cia conspiracy theory. you have to go rescue haspel. can you imagine the situation that would make it the case the cia director was kidnapped in germany and the way they found out was call from the president's lawyer. he got a separate frantic call from michael flynn. his old boss. who also fell down the fringe right wing conspiracy rabbit hole and according to to the book, flynn calls cohen and he's
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on a trip to middle east. told him to cut the trip short and get to the united states. there are big things about to happen. according to the book. he writes flynn told cohen we need you. told the dod official there's an epic show down over the election results. cohen, to his credit. rebuffed him. and called his former protege. a quitter. for admitting defeat. rather than pushing conspiracies. again, still, serious attempt. former administration firnl. to get the department of defense to go along with the run of the insurrection. cohen is not the only person flynn was talking to. he also got into trumps head. about potentially having the dod use the military to impose marshall law and rerun the election. idea trump aid visors shot down. again, what does it mean something like that was being considered in the west wing? because these conspiracy
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theories with right wing brain poisoning had access to a president with similar brain poisoning. who was desperate to do anything to stay in power. everyone if it meant plunging a knife into the heart of the american democracy. in the final days, that seemed to concern some of the cabinet members. reporting the secretary of defense goal at the end of the administration quote was to prevent the use of the military against american citizens. during the days before the day of and days after the election. think about that. that's his chief goal. head of the pentagon. let's make sure we don't turn the military on our own people. and he was ultimately pushed out in the waning days. after trumps enforcers inside the white house issued a memo. which accused him of insufficient loyalty to trump. in part because he wouldn't do that. because during the protests against police brutality in the summer of 2020. he objected to using military force against protesters. the pentagon correspondent of the "new york times."
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she covered the work in the department of defense. under the trump administration. maybe we can star with the figure of es per. in any country that is experiencing essentially democratic backsliding. or problems with the transition to peaceful power. like the military is going to be a key player. however they come out and one of the things that is clear from the reporting. i'd like to hear your perspective. people in the former president's orbit ask pentagon both saw the writing on the wall about the inevidentability of the pentagon attempting to be roped into this kind of thing. >> thanks for having me. that was definitely a big worry. at the pentagon in the last year of the trump administration. in sort of the last six to seven months of the trump administration. starting as you suggest with the
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black lives matter protest. the moment that president trump sort of got mark es per the defense secretary at the time and general mark milly chl the chairman of the joint chief of staff. to walk across the square with him and do the photo op holding the bible. in front of the st. john church. the pentagon sort of went on red alert. if you may. both general milly and mark es per were pushing back against the president's effort to invoke the insurrection clause. and set the military against the black lives matter protesters. and trump that all set the stage for president trump to and end up firing mark esper. as soon as the election day had passed. during those months it's so weird going back and thinking about this. that's all these guys were
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talking about. top generals and the officials at the pentagon were about keeping the military out of the election process. you get on the phone with them and they constantly were saying we'll stay out of it. this is not our role. there is no role for the military. what they meant by that is they were aflad the president was going to use the military to sick on civil rights protesters. that he would try to invoke the military and in some sort of way. around election protests. which is why this ended up leading to the red sense that we saw on the january 6. you had capitol riots. and the military you had protrump mob storming the capitol. and the military was slower to respond than they normally might have been in that is partly because for months these guys kept saying we're going to stay out of it. we don't want to be roped into
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this. it was -- looking back at this presidency. particularly in the last year. former president trump really managed to turn the pentagon into knots. >> yeah. in some ways the kind of -- one way of looking at this is call from michael flynn to cohen. who he knew personally. or powell. is evidence of the fact that they weren't getting anywhere through the actual chain of command. the fact that powell has to call and say go send special forces to rescue haspel. a nutty thing to say. what was his role in that in the pentagon the last days? he gets put over there. a lot of heads turn when it happens. es per is dismissed and replaced by miller. there's a feeling of what is trump up to over the pentagon. >> there was. there was so much questioning about that. trump had brought in in the last few weeks he brought in a number of newcomers.
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including pa tell. cohen came in before. after esper left. cohen came in to the pentagon viewed as a trumper. and had been in various jobs. he was at the white house when flynn was national security adviser. and flynn was fired or resigned or whatever he did, hr mcmaster. he couldn't stand him. and ended up sort of ushering him out. he's then resurfaced at dhs. he ended up at the pentagon. in the last administration. and in the last year of the trump presidency. and was sort of looked on as this is a guy that they have known and dealt with before. he has an intel background. he was definitely viewed as a trump guy. and then in the end by the time
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we got to the craziness between november and january. cohen like many others including to a certain extent the new defense secretary. the acting defense secretary. chris miller. found themselves ts in a situation where they're basically trying to push back the real out there claims from both michael flynn. who used to be viewed widely viewed as just your traditional general. and sort of went down that rabbit hole. and sidney powell on the whole haspel being kidnapped. i don't know how to get my head around it. >> that's probably what he was thinking on the other end of the line. thank you so much. a lot still tonight. beto o'rourke is here since announcing his run for governor of texas. and the newly expanded 1619
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starting at just $10 per month. tomorrow the house is expected to vote on a resolution to censure republican congressman. consider a motion to remove him from the house i don't ever sight committee. the as congressman posted an altered video that depicted an a character with his head. killing another character with democratic congresswoman
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alexandria ocasio-cortez. attacking a character with joe biden's head. we're not showing the video. it's a threat of violence. a version of him kills a colleague. it's all disturbing. congressman has also not apologized for the video. he's dug in saying quote it's a symbolic cartoon. it's not real life. congressman cannot fly. the hero of the cartoon goes after the monster. the policy monster of open borders. i will always fight to defend the rule of law. securing our borders and the american first agenda. tonight speaker of the house addressed the actions and why they'll vote on venturing him. >> he made threats. suggestions about harming a member of congress. that is an insult and danger. and insult to the institution of the house of representatives. he cannot have members joking about murdering each other. as well as threatening the president of the united states.
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>> former chairman of the national republican committee. joining me now. i thought the statement we cannot have members joking about murdering each other. it's hard to disagree with that. as general rule about how you'll conduct any institution. whether it's a workplace or hall of congress. >> yeah. i think that's right. i think there's a broader reality that nancy pelosi and others are trying to deal with. that is just the slow and sometimes fast roll into the space. this downward spiral. in to this sort of personalized and antagonism. out right violence towards each other as members of the house. arguably from the republican side towards democrats. i think a lot of this is nancy's was of saying we really got to be serious about this. and take this serious.
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particularly on the heels of january 6. i think absent all of the things, you probably could do it most members probably look at it as a one off and say that was dumb. he shouldn't have done it. and you would probably have a little bit more relaxed approach. but not in this environment. you cannot be relaxed when he deliberately puts this into the public space. as a sitting member of the united states congress. you have to respond. >> totally agree. which i why i found the weird defense of it. in another context somebody could say it's a cartoon. here's this is what he tweets. i think this is still up. 12:05 january 6. biden should concede. i want his concession on my desk tomorrow morning. don't make me come over there with the mob that would storm the capitol. that's an an tagging the guy the coordinator of stop the steal.
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that mentality which was understood by the crowd as basically a show of force. of violence show of force to stop the peaceful transfer of power. hangs over all of this. >> what's important about that, feeds right into what the january 6 commission is trying to get to the bottom of. how much of evidence like that attitude and behavior put out into the public space that riled up people on the heels of after the election. and certainly before january 6. to set the predicate in motion, for what ultimately occurred. yeah, when you have a member like i'm going to wait to find out what he thinks about the election? i have to put it on his desk. no. it feeds into a broader story line that had been pe pech waited by president trump for over four years. specifically chris, going back
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to the spring and early summer of 2020. when the president made it very clear. if i don't win the election, it's because the other side cheated. because there was fraud. so, it all those dots connect. and he continues to provide further evidence for january 6 commission to complete its work. >> so you have there's a senture vote. some of the reporting suggested a close door meeting. we have to stick together. stick together and not the principle for other folks. liz cheney of course is getting disowned by the wyoming gop. which voted to no longer recognize her as a republican. and which again, she's serving on the committee. she voted for impeachment. and the one that to me is more wild is john who is has been
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targeted. he's a ranking member on homeland security. chair of the next congress if they took over. and others are calling for him to lose his chairman man ship. not for anything other than than voting for the infrastructure bill. >> yeah. this is from a member of the caucus that doesn't even have a committee assignment. not recognized officially as a member of the house. really, green and others of hir ilk speaking out in this matter is not serious. but what makes it a problem is that the republican leadership is not serious about dealing with it. the fact that you are is the sitting here saying let's stick together guys. in the face of something that so obnoxious. as who he did. so appalling as stripping down the leadership of liz cheney. to me just to speak to how -- to
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be polite. on this evening. wayward the party has traveled from its. the wyoming party saying we're not recognizing you as a republican, well, okay, i don't remember seeing your signature on my voter registration card. or application. who gives a rat pa tooty what you recognize. you don't make that decision. that's the cancel culture that has grown inside the gop. they want to cancel who you are as a republican. that's a problem. >> denunciation. we'll see. primary voters of the state get a say in this. that will be interesting to watch. michael steel, thank you. >> don't go anywhere. i ask beto o'rourke about his campaign to be the first democratic governor of texas in 25 years. how he plans to turn texas blue. . ♪ it wasn't me by shaggy ♪
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i'm delighted to be here with you this evening. because after listening to george bush all these years i figure you needed to know what a real texas accent sounds like. >> that was then texas state treasurer. true legend. giving the keynote speech of the 1988 democratic national convention. her speech like many convention keynotes helped propel her career. two years later she was elected governor of texas. that was the last time the state elected a democratic governor. no democrat has won a statewide race there since 1994. nearly 30 years ago. 2018, one democrat did come close. beto o'rourke. then congressman from el paso. who nearly defeated senator ted cruz. and captured a high of share at ann richards did when she won. now beto o'rourke decided to run
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for governor. releasing this announcement yesterday. >> i'm running for governor. i want to tell you why. this past february, when the electricity grid failed and millions of our fellow texans were without power. which meant the lights wouldn't turn on. heat wouldn't run and the pipes froze. and the water stopped flowing. they were abandoned. by those who were elected to serve and look out for them. >> joining me now for his first national tv interview as candidate. for governor of texas. beto o'rourke. it's good to have you. first i want to ask about what was the moment when you decided to run for this office and why governor when previously you were a member of congress kp ran for senator and president. why this office why now. >> there's such a great opportunity in texas to bring the people of this state together. and do the really big things that most of us care about and want for our families.
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like making sure that the best jobs in america are created right here in texas. we have world class public schools for kids to go to. or that we make progress on pretty common sense issues. like expanding medicaid. which would allow hundreds of thousands more texans to be able to sea a doctor and do a world of difference to bring down the property tax bills. it's also about getting passed this moment where greg ab brought us to such a small place. the bounty placed on heads of texas women who want to make their own medical decisions. and the transgender bathroom bill bans and deciding which girls can play which sports in this state. we have to get past that small vision of texas and get back to the big things. we have to make sure that everyone can come together. and allow this state to reveal its potential. i'm proud of texas and i want to
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make sure i serve the state as its next governor. >> you are obviously not a political analyst. you're a politician. you run for office. i imagine when you are sitting with your advisers and thinking about possibility of the campaign. people said 2018, you had one ocht best performances of any statewide democratic candidate in years in the state of texas. in a favorable environment, 2018 generally favorable. midterm for democrats. looking ahead to next year. you have a democrat in the white house. a country that is still trying to get out from under this once in a century crisis. there's a lot of people who must have been telling you you're going to get your -- this is hard enough. add the environment to this. you are really looking down the barrel of the difficult task. >> that might be the case. but that's not how we feel here in texas. and i tell you why, beyond the big bold vision we want to get
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back to. beyond getting passed the extremist and devicive politics of greg about. there's things to get right. like our electricity grid. under his watch, the energy capitol of north america. the state of texas lost power for millions. and it was an inconvenience. many homes were ruined when the pipes froze and burst. we lost a the live of hundreds of our family members and neighbors. including an 11 year-old boy. who froze to death in his bed. those are the consequences. and that's not lost on the people of texas. 72,000 have lost their lives under this pandemic. throughout his administration. because he rejected the science. and the best guidance from public health experts. he wouldn't allow local school districts to require masks in the classroom. so as of september, we led the country. in the number hood of childhood covid cases and death. the people of texas now that we need change.
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they understand the cost and consequence of keeping greg in office. i think you'll see that. in the turn out in this election. and the participation of voters here in communities like where i'm spending the second day of the campaign. a community that has so much to offer this state. and the rest of the country. i want to make sure we reflect the pride. that we see here. and also protect the lives of the people here. and across the state of texas. that gives us an extraordinary opportunity to make the case and win the election. >> i want to note that the polling on the governor's job ratings has gone down considerably. there's i think fair to say widespread di disaffection. you are tied in a head to head back in october. he has spent a lot of time the governor on talking about the border. there's been a lot of he brought governors from other states to
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the border. he has gotten pressure from his right friends. primarying him to deploy the national guard there. what do you think about the governor's approach to the border? >> i'll tell you as someone who was born and raised on the border. and my wife is raising our kid on the border. someone who chose to come here on the second day of the campaign. also on the border. if we want to know the answers to the questions we have to ask the people who actually live them. and experience thep. and understand them. so that begins with ensuring those who represent us whether in congress or white house actually make some progress. on rewriting our immigration laws. and in the meantime, we come back to the communities. and ask what it is that they need. and how we can better support them. we also need to reflect the fact that we are a state and in this
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case a community of immigrants and presence here makes us stronger, makes us more successful and safer than we would be otherwise. this is great thing we have in texas. so many people from around the world have chosen to make this state our home and make us so much more successful by their very presence. the last thing we need to do is what greg is doing. calling this an invasion. asking texas to take matters into their own hands. these are his words. and it's that kind of dangerous rhetoric that inspired somebody two years ago to drive 600 miles from texas with an ak 47 and open fire on people in el paso. killing 23 of them. claiming that he was there to repel a hispanic invasion of texas. that's the cost and consequence. that's not a texas value. not for republicans or democrats. that is too extreme. too radical. and too dangerous for the state. >> you had supported some kind of assault weapons ban.
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reinstating and perhaps a mandatory gun buy back of certain weapons. the state telling no one would be able to have the weapons. and wouldn't be grandfathered in. one point you said in referring to what happened in your hometown, we're going to take your ar 15 and ak 47. we're not going to allow them to be used against fellow americans anymore. you support that? >> i do. it's because most of us in this state this state that has a proud long tradition of responsible gun ownership. which we lived in the household my uncle a sheriff deputy. taught us to shoot. and the responsibility that comes with owning and using a firearm. we don't think that people should have weapons of war. and shouldn't have to worry about our friends and family members and neighbors being shot up at the grocery store and movie theater or school. and church. there's a lot of consensus and common sense solutions like an assault weapons ban.
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or like battleground checks. universal background checks. he signed a bill into law that allows any texan to carry a loaded gun in public. despite the fact that 35,000 licenses to carry a firearm requests were denied by law enforcement in this state. over the last five years. all those people can care a loaded gun in public. as can the tens of thousands who knew better than to apply for a license to carry: police chiefs and law enforcement who we should be supporting begged the governor not to sign the law. most texans understand that. we'll work together to make sure we have common sense gun legislation and protect the second amendment here in the state of texas. >> running for governor in texas. thank you, sir. it's been over two years since the release of the 1619 project. it continues to reverberate through schools and politics. tonight the newest entry to the ground breaking body of work. ouk
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in 2019, "new york times" launched magazine launched the 1619 project. marking the 400th anniversary of the beginning of slavery in the country. conceived by staff writer nicole hannah jones the goal of reframing the discussion around american history. putting the consequences of shave ri and contributions of black americans at the center of the conversation. the project earned great deal of praise. she won the prize for commentary. also received loads of criticism. as it became a wildly controversial object of the scorn on the right. >> the 1619 project with the "new york times." where the democrat party is trying to reeducate american youth. to tell them that our founding fathers were criminals, slave owners. who were trying to create a slave state. >> let's be reel about this. in 1619 there were exactly 20
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slaves in america. the idea that these 20 guys were central to the american economy. or the building of america. it's non-sense. >> the whole project is a lie. certainly if you are an african-american, slavery is at the center of what you see as the american e experience. for most americans there were a lot of other thins going on. >> next year donald trump launched a special committee to counter the 1619 project. he called it the 1776 commission. >> today i'm also pleased to announce that i will soon sign an executive order establishing a national commission to promote patriotic education. it will be called the 1776 commission. it will encourage our educators to teach our children about the miracle of american history. and make plans to honor the 250th anniversary of our
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founding. >> commission included no professional historians. and issued a report claiming historic revisionism is shaming americaning and intended to manipulate opinion. joe biden terminated the commission. the same day he was inaugurated. the battle had begun about how central slavery is to the story of america and how we understand the nations trajectory in the light of the history. that battle predicated the ongoing backlash we're seeing now. many of the right insist kids receive what trump called a patriotic education. last week in north dakota, republican governor signed a law banning the teaching of so called critical race theory. which the law defines as quote the theory ta racism is not merely the product of learned individual bias or prejudice. but that racism is systemically embedded in american society and the legal system to facility racial inequality. that lee leaves out a lot of material. it's not just happening in north dakota.
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28 states have introduced bills or taken steps to restrict teaching critical race theory or limit how teachers can discuss racism and sexism. in virginia, the newly elected republican governor campaigned on banning critical race theory. now, nicole hannah jones is expanding the argument in a book published today. 1619 project a new origin story. she joins me. to talk about all this. next. alk about all this next no one can deliver your mom's homemade short ribs. for starters, your mom doesn't have a restaurant.
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two years ago when the "new york times" magazine decided to publish this project, the deep racism and slavery in this country, the spine of american history, it was quite an event. the magazine issue was so popular, just look at this line of people standing outside the "new york times" building, waiting to get their hands on a physical copy. when those ran out, copies of the issue were reportedly selling for $100 on ebay. a really remarkable moment. now there is a book that expands on the groundbreaking journalism of the original piece. nikkole hannah-jones writing a book called "the 1619 piece."
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congratulations on your book. i imagine you didn't necessarily anticipate becoming quite the central axis of the national debate. if somebody comes up to you and says, i heard about the 1619 project, what is it? what's your summary to someone? what is the project? what does it mean? >> thank you. thank you for having me on and you're absolutely right. i couldn't have predicted any of this. but what the 1619 project is, the year 1619 is the year that the first africans were sold into the colony of virginia. so that marks the beginning of american slavery. what we argue in project which commemorated the anniversary of that moment, its legacy can be seen through all aspects of modern american society, so in capitalism, in our highway systems, in our educational
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systems, in incarceration, in our culture. and these connections can be drawn in many surprising ways, including the very democracy itself. so through a series of essays as well as poetry, we really tried to center slavery in the narrative of the american story and the contributions of black americans which have largely been treated as an asterisk. >> i want to read from the essay that was first published and it's in the book as well. when you talk about patriotism, the opening scene your father hoisting the flag outside your home in waterloo. you said, my father, one of many black americans to answer the call, what it would take me years to understand. the year 1619 is as important as the american story as 1776. the black americans as much as those men captured in the nation's capitol, no people has a greater claim to that flag
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than us. i keep coming back to that sentence because it seems to me there is a strong version of that claim and a weaker version, or a more provocative and less provocative, right? in the language, you say that year is as important as the story of 1776. my interpretation of the meaning of the project is we know 1776 is important. that's the sort of foundational moment. we get that story. here's a story that should be on equal footing, this kind of yin yin-yang of what the story is. i think people think you're saying this is the fundamental truth about the nation, that this is more important in some ways than 1776. i'm curious to hear you talk through how you think about it. >> yeah, so that language was written that way on purpose. and what we are really arguing is that so much of the what makes america unique in ways good and bad, right?
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the societal tensions are kind of our greatest divides, our polarization, but also our culture, our language, our music, our cuisine, again, democracy itself, that so much of that begins with that decision in 1619 to engage in african slavery. and so it's really saying, how could we better understand our country if we considered 1619 as an origin point? as you said, we all know the story of 1776, and that's a story of these intrepid colonists who decide they need to break off from the british empire so they can have freedom and liberty and they can create a society based on god-given rights. the truth is, in 1776, one-fifth of the population was enslaved, they lived in absolute bondage. so that narrative is not enough for society. that is the idea of freedom and the practice of slavery.
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we say if you really want to understand that, these defining tensions, you have to go back to 1619. >> i want to read for you a passage of a new north dakota bill that has become law. it is -- like a lot of legislation passed throughout the country, particularly in republican-controlled states, that has attempted to target what the bill's author calls critical race theory but a term that has become kind of amorphous. they give us a definition. for purposes of this section, critical race theory, which is what they want to ban, means the theory that racism is not merely the product of learned individual bias or prejudice, but that racism is systemically embedded in american society and the american legal system to facilitate racial inequality. the bill then bans instruction relating to that belief. systemically embedded in
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american leadership and racial inequality is a pretty good summation that the 1619 project sort of grows out of, and names a little about the fundamental fight here about whether that's going to be taught or not. >> yeah, so, one, can we just acknowledge that it is insane that a state legislature would say that you can't even teach the concept of structural racism. not that you're even saying we have it, but that you can't even teach the concept of it. we all as americans should be outraged and very worrie whether you like the 1619 project or the critical race at all. we need to understand what they are saying. it is inarguable that our country was founded with racism in the law, with racism in the courts, with racism in every structure of our society. one only has to look at the constitution which labels enslaved people three-fifths of a person. we only have to look at the
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slave codes and the black codes and the fact that i have two books that are biblical length that are just a listing of all of the ways that black people were discriminated against in the law. this is inarguable. we had legal segregation in this country until the decade before i was born, and that said you could segregate against black people in housing, in schools, in the courts. you could discriminate against black people when it came to employment, whether they could go to the public library or public swimming pool. all of these areas of life, legally you could discriminate against black people from 1619 all the way up until 1968. so it's ludicrous to say that you have to teach an understanding of this country that says it's only individual actors, there's nothing systemic here. that clearly, chris, is a response not just to the framing of the 1619 project which, of course, argues that racism is embedded in the structures of a
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society that was founded with one-fifth of the population enslaved. but what it's also saying is it is a response to the racial protests of last year, where people were saying it's not just about individual bad cops, it's not just about policing, that we have a society that is built to be fundamentally unfair and we are dealing with the ramifications of that. so this is seeking to turn us away from thinking like that, and instead to say, this is just about individual white people who may have prejudice, and it's about making white people as a race feel guilty and bad, and it's neither of those things. >> yeah, i got to say the north dakota legislature, i'm sort of grateful for the clarity which they enunciate precisely what the stakes are about here. this is relating to that. just talking about it is now banned in the state of north dakota. the book is called "the 1619
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project." it has a bunch of fantastic essays, including tremaine lee is in there and a bunch of writers i admire. you can pick it up now. nikole hannah-jones, thank you. >> thank you. rachel maddow starts now. good evening, rachel. >> thank you, chris, much appreciated. welcome to you at home. happy to have you here. it has been a busy news day and a lot is continuing tonight. we got word late this afternoon, feels like evening, we got word that the fda looks like it's going to move this week to approve booster shots for all adults. the previous approval had just been for high-risk adults to get boosters, but a bunch of states started ignoring that and making boosters available for any adult that wants one. it's moving tonight that that should be the national standard by the end of the week, booster shots approved for all u.s. adults. that's good


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