tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC November 17, 2021 9:00pm-10:00pm PST
charles, a four-star over at the pentagon. that's our broadcast for this wednesday evening. on behalf of our colleagues on the networks of nbc news, good night. joining us this hour. it was a sunday, in late february, 1965. the autobahn ballroom at 156 and broadway in harlem, new york city. it's a landmark, big building, beautiful building. had a huge theater that's had thousands of people. and on the second floor there was an actual ballroom, and the capacity of the ballroom was smaller. the capacity of the ballroom for dinners and other seeded events were about 200 people. but that sunday, february 1st 1965, there were double. that number of people crowded into that room.
packed audience of 400 people in that room. all there to hear one of the towering and most controversial figures in american civil rights history. malcolm x had been the face and the world famous voice of the nation of islam since long after he joined the nation of islam in the early 1950's. but after more than a decade as a lightning rod in that specific cause, he had make an acrimonious split from the group. he had split from the nation of islam the year before he took the stage in that crowded ballroom in harlem in february 1965. that day, his wife was there to watch his speech. she was pregnant at the time with what would turn up to turn one out to be their six daughter. three of their little girls were there that they, with their mom, ready to watch their father speak. and as he took the stage, and
began to speak, the assassination plot against him beginning to unfold. someone shouted from one part of the ballroom. someone threw something, a make smoke bomb of some kind in the rear of the ballroom as the commotion started with those two distracting precipitating events. the man at the very front of the ballroom, pulled out a shotgun. and he fired from the hip. and the shot knocked malcolm x office feet on the stage. and then, two other men, one of them was on with a 900 millimeter pistol, one of them had 45 caliber pistol, and they followed up the initials shooting. malcolm x was on the ground, he was laid out by the blast, from the shotgun. and the two men stood over him, the two men with pistols stood over him and fired multiple shots into his body. malcolm x was 39 years old. his daughters and his wife were
there in person close-up to see him murdered. and of course chaos broke out in a crowded ballroom, one of the gunman who had the 45 caliber pistol, he got caught. he was shot in the leg as he tried to run from the scene. one of malcolm x's bodyguards me. he was shot in the thigh, that brought him down and people grabbed him. what he had dropped or thrown away the 45 caliber pistol that he had used in the shooting but somebody else recovered it at the scene outside the ballroom and handed it over. he was found with 45 caliber ammunition on him, in his pans pocket. he was caught that day. one of the three gunman. but what about the other two men? again, there were three men who fired up malcolm x. the man with the 45 caliber pistol, we know that's what the gun was because that gun was
found and the ammunition was in the guys pants pocket. but the other pistol, we know that because of the bullets in the casings that were recovered. but the second, and the 900 millimeter, that one was never recovered. but what about the man with a shotgun? the guy who fired first. what three gunmen, only one apprehended at the scene. after only one of the alleged gunman were caught that day at the scene. how is that possible, right? given how many hundreds of people were in that room. given how many close-up witnesses there were in the killing. it is still inconceivable even after all these years, looking back at it. but, in fact, only one of the three gunman were caught that day. however unbelievable that seems in retrospect. but after they caught that first guy at the scene, it would take them ten days for the police to arrest two other men. they said what they were the other two gunmen. one of them was picked up five days after the killing.
the other man was picked up five days after that. and ultimately, quickly, those three but, the three alleged gunman, the man who got shot in the leg that day. and the other men that they arrested days afterwards, those three men were all charged with murder together. all put on trial together. they all pled not guilty. they all initially said that they were innocent, they hadn't done it. but then at the trial, something sort of astonishing happened. this was the front page of the new york times, the morning after it happened, during the trial. this was march 1st 1966. you see the headline there. defendant admits killing malcolm x. well all three defendants, the man arrested at the day of the assassination, and the guys that they arrested days later. all three of them had pled guilty. all unimaginably said that they didn't do, it but into the trial, one of them, the guy who was arrested on the day of the killing, the guy who was shot in the, like the guy who had the 45 caliber bullets in his
hands pocket was, that guy broke down on the stand during the trial and said actually i did do it. and, here comes the bigger news, the other guys that i'm on trawled with here, they had nothing to do with it, they definitely did not do it at all. it was me. what he said he did it, he had some help from other people, but these other two guys that are trolled alongside of him did not do it. here is how the times wrote it up in that remarkable piece in 1966. what returned to the witness stand yesterday and confessed's guild, at the same time he tried to of what -- i just want to testify the but learned honest and had nothing to do with it, i was there, i know would happen. and i know the people who were. there here said that he decided to tell the truth after brief conversations with butler and johnson in the bullpen outside the courtroom. he come to a story under biden cross-examination and his district attorney. the prosecutor asked him, what did they say when you told him? that they answered, they said
it was about time. we wondered when you were going to do this. hair insisted several times, the remarks that justice charles ordered strict in from the record paid existence several times but the only reason that he had changed his testimony during the trial was to protect two innocent men. his two codefendant. was hayer wounded in the left thigh by one of the bodyguards, a few fled from the ballroom after the cunning, and was taken into custody while he was being -- seven witnesses identified him as being in the ballroom and three of them testified to seeing him with the pistol in his hand after firing at the negro leader. the defendant admitted firing the 45 caliber pistol that was found outside the ballroom. a spare clip containing four cartridges was found in his pocket when he was arrested. furthermore, his thumb print was found on a piece of film in the smoke making device that have been ignited as a diversion motives before the shooting. butler and johnson, on the other hand, the other two
defendants, they were picked up last year at the bronx homes in the first week in march. there is virtually no physical evidence linking them to the crime. what >> so we have three men arrested for the same crime. there were three gunman carrying out the assassination. we got three men arrested. they get put on trial together. one of them who was apprehended at the scene, confesses to the crime and says the other two had nothing to do with it. there was not only his confession that he committed the crime and his assertion that the other guys had nothing to do with it, there is tons of physical evidence connecting him to the crime, there is no physical evidence connecting the other two men to the crime. he maintains that he did, it and the other two didn't, the other two maintained, in fact, we did not do it. nevertheless, all three men are convicted of murder. all three are given life sentences. now the man who confessed to the crime, who said that he did, it but not with those codefendants, he did it with
other people, he ultimately served 45 years in prison. what he died in 2010. while he was in prison, he twice, filed sworn affidavit visits that asserted the innocence of his codefendants that were convicted alongside of him. and pointed instead to decide who actually did and carried out the assassination but his. codefendants also languished in prison. they both maintain their innocence all along. one of them was not released until 1985, his name is now mr. aziz he is not 83 years old. and the other man was released in 1987, he died in one -- at the age of -- his name is mr. islam. but tomorrow, in the year of our lord, 2021, both of their convictions are going to be vacated formally in court. because it really appears they did not do it.
we manning marble wrote a piece on malcolm x, just published after -- that biography among other things walked through what was so obviously wrong about the convictions for these three men. for at least two of these three men in the malcolm x assassination. he walked through what the cut and dry no questions asked, very tidy, modern american history of that assassination. what a story named one terrell in mohammed, a series called, who killed malcolm x? that's serious not only asked the obvious question. why these guys didn't do, it were never less convicted of the crime. but importantly, why did that happen? why did the evidence pointing to other likely perpetrators get some burned at the time, by the police, and by the fbi?
well >> it's very clear in here that they got a reasonably good description of the gunman who wielded the shotgun. >> what they do? >> it's clearly based on euro agency. interviewing whoever they could find who had been in the ballroom that day. >> the source for this report was probably one of the nine fbi informants in the room when malcolm was killed. >> so it's a very detailed book -- they say, he is a negro male, age 28, six feet two inches, 200 pounds, heavy build, dark complexion, wearing gray coat, and believed to be assailant who used shotgun. >> i've seen this document already. and i assume the folks investigating malcolm's murder had seen it to. but i was wrong. wouldn't >> this information have been shared with the new york prosecution? >> not necessarily.
but >> no new york prosecutor would've ever seen this document. because the fbi would not release a tele--type like this outside the bureau was >> a man they convicted for carrying the shotgun, but thomas 15 ex johnson. is a very light skin african american. someone in the government whoever from this report certainly knew that the man in law enforcement was accusing of wielding the shotgun, did not match his description. >> right? >> very deep in the file was, i came across another reference to the shock in the session. what this one based on a highly respected source. but former member, and leader of malcolm's new organization. this is incredible. >> and malcolm's funeral he was told explicitly by former members of the new jersey moth, moth number 25, that the man
wielding the shotgun was tall, dark skinned, that he shot from the hip like he was an expert with this type of weapon. >> this particular sort advice that william bradley was an officer at the mass, serving as a lieutenant. so, there it is clearly. the fbi knew that bradley was a lieutenant in the mass. >> bradley is described, right here in their own files. as dark skin, stocky, and a lieutenant in the mass. matching the description. what the fbi even had a photograph. so the fbi has this picture, his identity was, description -- >> but in august of 1965, months before the trial began, this league about the shotgun assassin being a dark skin lieutenant from new york, was
considered, referred upon completion. but >> -- basically that's it, they're closing the file >> closed it out for no apparent reason. didn't let new york city department know. all this just makes you wonder, could bradley have been an informant working for the fbi. we months later johnson, butler, and was hayer sent in 20 years for life for malcolm's murder. >> look like they allowed to innocent men to go to jail. that is a shame. but as i'm reading it but, that is a shame. that is a damn shame. now [noise] >> former --
this dark skin man a perfect description of the man that eye witnesses say fire with the shock they described into a tv but it seems that he was never questioned, never pursued, never investigated at all. by any governmental agency, by any police agency. federal or state. >> and now i've unmask all of this evidence, all of this information william bradley's alleged role in the assassination of malcolm x. somebody needs to do something about this. >> and that is the documentary series, who killed malcolm x,
which premiered on netflix last year and led to the manhattan district attorney's office reopening investigation into malcolm x's death, reinvestigating the conviction of two of the three men that were convicted for his killing, the man who's described at the end of that scene there, who is described as somebody who seems to have been potentially implicated in the crime but who was never approached by law enforcement men, never question, he died in 2018. his lawyer maintains that he was not involved in the killing. but this thing has moved now. advanced of the release of that serious in the manhattan da's office, open nearly a two-year-long investigation and its conviction integrity to review the prosecution, reviewed the conviction that these two men who had always maintained their innocence. there was first reported today in the new york times that the results of that investigation were shocking. investigation found that prosecutors and the nypd, and the fbi, importantly the fbi,
all withheld evidence that could've led to these men's acquittal meant. what documents included information that implicated that other suspects pointed away from me mr. aziz and mr. islam. it wasn't also that there was no evidence pointing to them, it wasn't just that they had alibis, it was that ex quid a tory evidence at the time that pointed the finger at much more likely assailants. was not hinted over to be considered during the trial. law enforcement had, it the fbi had, it no, they didn't allow it to surface when these men were on trial. witness an informant accounts that might have cleared, them might have very well have led to them being acquitted, they were not disclosed, kept in the files, all this time. how come? well how and why did this case get mishandled like this? and where this the surviving
defendant here go to get their decades of their life back? we and, we write this new history, this new true or history of the slaying of one of the titanic figures in modern u.s. history. equally controversial and info and show. vacating the conviction of the guys who killed him as one step in correcting the history. but they did not stumble into the story themselves. why were they, appears to be, framed for? who did that? where is the accountability on that side, on the government side. this shock to the system today, this new story moment in american history comes at what is a very fraught time for us now. tonight, we are spending another time preparing for another embracing for the verdict in the call rittenhouse trial in wisconsin.
the young man on trial for the murder of two people and the shooting of a third person during protests against the police shooting of an black man named jacob blake. but today, outside the, trial a republican u.s. senate candidate stood outside the courthouse waiting for the verdict like everyone else except he was posing for pictures with guys making the white power sign while he was waiting for the verdict. today in charlottesville virginia, we got one day closer to the end of the swivels brought by the ku klux klan act. trying to hold accountable this roads gallery of the town's most pungent white supremacists neo-nazis. we are at the point of the trial where the neo-nazis were testifying in their own defense now. trying to -- a verdict against them, that would financially hold them to account for the violence that they organized. other big white supremacist march in virginia, in 2017. today, african american leaders
and clergy were arrested in huge numbers, literally, i think it was something like 200 arrests. right out in front of the white house today. in a massive direct action protests, 200 is a very large number of arrests for a protest outside the white house. this was a direct action. protests to protect voting rights. but today, in oklahoma, kids walked out of school. capitol rotunda was filled. pastors chained themselves to the fence outside the oklahoma state capital building, to try to overturn the planned execution of julius jones tomorrow, 4 pm. there are serious questions about his trial and his literal it instance. the oklahoma state board has twice voted that he should be spared from execution. the oklahoma's governor has thus far not been moved. people moved their feet today in oklahoma to try to call that execution off. today, we got closer to the end of the trial in georgia.
where three white men are being trolled for chasing down an armed black man. chasing him down in trucks and shooting him dead. for the grave crime of killing him where they. lived today -- they know what -- ahmaud arbery had been -- the defense council in that case has returned multiple times now to his arguments to the judge that african american pastor showing up at the trial to support aubry's family are in heron late in the breed and should be kept out and away from the trial. the reverend, william barber, who was arrested today, protesting for voting rights at the white house. he also today published this in the washington post. quote, my skin color should not prevent me from attending the trial of ahmaud arbery's accused killer. but when ahmaud aubry's parents reached out to me to invite me
to the trial of the man who chased and killed their unarmed son in brunswick, georgia. i agree to come because i am a pastor. after my visit to the courthouse last, week defense attorney kevin goff asked the judge to bar any more black pastors from attending the trial. in an argument the judge said reprehensible gough, asserted that the presence in the courtroom a black pastors could be intimidating to jurors. the christian church, the disciples of, christ did not ordain me to be a black pastor. i am a pastor, call to serve all of gods children without regard to race, creed, or culture. when gough argued that the presence of black pastors is intimidating, his words suggested that black miss itself is a threat. this is telling because, to me, it seems that the three men on trial found ahmaud aubry's blankness intimidating as well. the arbery was an unarmed, jogger these men say that they assumed he was engaged in criminal activity and pursued him with weapons. one of the men recorded the
group pursuing arbery, and one of them fatally shooting the young black man. quote, abolitionists to insisted on the full humanity of black people were seen us intimidating and disruptive to the social order. white or black, they were often portrayed as dangerous radicals while those who accepted slavery, were seemed as reasonable defenders to the social order. the slavery is in our past, the racial order it created is not. we >> that is the argument in washington post. in the midst of this, as i say fraught moment. for us as a country, wrap your head around this. tomorrow two men convicted in 1966 of killing malcolm x will have their convictions vacated formally in court. the history of that day, in 1965, in which he was killed,
that history will be re-written while we are still in the middle of writing our generations racial history right now. there is no turning from it. there is no turning away from it, there is so much to be done. joining us now is somebody who has been doing the work for decades. we sherrilyn ifill, for the past eight years she has become a leading figured in the civil rights movement, president director for the naacp legal defense months. today, she announced that she will be stepping down from that role next year. miss sherrilyn ifill thank you so much for being here tonight, when i heard that it was possible to get you on the show tonight i couldn't believe, it it's a real honor to have you here tonight, on all of the nights. >> i very much wanted to be here with you tonight rachel. >> first of all, before i talk to you about some of these things going on, though i just, described i do want to ask you about your decision to leave the naacp, talking about the
work and how much remains to be done. i know the amount of work that you are capable of, from how much you've done in that eight years. tell me about the decision to move on. >> this is life's work for me, i started first at the fellowship of the aclu, and then at the legal defense fun, and when i left the legal defense funds from academia i didn't leave behind in the civil rights i work with my students and started clinics on environmental justice i started one of the first country on the rice of incorporated person and i started the clinic on reparation i, wrote a book about lynching. i headed up a foundation, that supported the civil rights organization and then i return to all the. of whatever i am doing, this is the work. the decision to step down is really about what is right for an institution, and i have been unapologetic about my love for ldl.
and i would say, rachel, especially seeing what has been revealed over this country in the last five years about the need for a black institution to be strong. i have worked very hard to make out the f strong, and to help american see that civil rights institution and civil rights work is not critical just for the citizenship and dignity of black people, but for the help of american democracy. and in order to keep those institution strong, we have to nurture leadership, which is kind of my think. which i love doing. i love doing it, i love teaching, i love leading our young lawyers. i love working with my deputy, jimmy nelson, who i have hoped would succeed me, and who will succeed me. so it's kind of sobering. because everything you described in the league in, demonstrated what those who haven't been doing have worked for a lifetime. know there is a tremendous amount of work to be done. sadly, what you described, even in malcolm x this case, could be described any week around this country. where men and women, if they
are lucky, are released from jail for crimes they did not commit. after having their lives taken away from them, in prison. every week law enforcement officials who don't handle their information might be exculpatory. this is what the american criminal justice looks like, and my commitment remains strong but my commitment remains strong to the institution, and making sure it has terrific leadership for the years ahead to be honest, 2024 is coming very quickly. and i want to make sure that the next leader is fully in place and prepared for that. and i am looking forward to see what is the next way to contribute to, this. i didn't know what it would be, but this time i'm going to write a book about what we have just been talking about. and then i will figure out the next chapter for me. but it always will involve. -- what do you feel --
i imagine it's complex, but do you feel overall, optimistic, hopeful? do you have a sense and possibility for this moment weary now. i realize in reading the new york times covers this morning about the reinvestigation of the malcolm x assess the nation, that that is something, a case i'm very familiar with. the shortcomings of the convictions of those men, something i was very familiar with, i realized i was shocked, literally shocked and kind of thrown back in my chair by the sense that it might be undone. there are not just current indignities and injustices that i don't feel hopeful about in terms of the way they will resolve, but these historic ones that we have lived with our entire lives. the idea that they me -- may be revisited and those things are not set in stone, we can fix those things. it shocked me. i don't know if it makes me feel more hopeful or not, but it made me want to ask what kind of touchstone that is for
you? >> i have to say, this is a very difficult time. it feels awful in many ways but i don't see it that way again with a lens of a lifetime of doing civil rights work, i always feel best and most hopeful when the truth is being surfaced. it is the periods when the truth is being denied and people are saying racism isn't a problem, when people are not recognizing the truth about police violence and our criminal justice system, when people first told me i -- >> when i started this job, we don't need this civil rights work anymore, what is voter suppression? those were the darkest days. the days when we are surfacing the truth, the days when we are recognizing the truth about lynching, historical murders, about papered over and covered over incidents, and things people didn't know about like the tulsa massacre, or elaine
all -- those incidents make me feel hopeful. it's not pleasurable or joyous, but it feels like we are finally getting to the root of the thing. i frequently paraphrase malcolm x who talked about the importance of surfacing the tension. civil rights work and activism doesn't take -- it talks about what's already below the surface. what we are talking about now with this week with just these three different trials, it's incredibly sobering. those trials are happening and i think we all know there was a period of time in which they wouldn't have. we found out about what happened to ahmaud arbery because of his mother and because of intense activism. there have been many times when young white men have killed people and not been held accountable for it. charlottesville is something that we can watch the dream team of lawyers holding those individuals accountable so important.
this is encouraging for me, even if it feels difficult, i can see we are at a moment of reckoning and i'm very excited to figure out how i will work in that moment. it is a moment in which we are confronting things that have long been denied or ignored. >> well, even though you haven't written the book, yet i already preordered it in my mind. i can't wait to see what you do next. >> my publisher will be thrilled to hear that. [laughs] >> insert title, pre-filed, ordered away. sherrilyn ifill thank you for joining us. congratulations on this move i can wait to see what you do next. >> thank you so much. thank you, rachel. >> i will tell you, this morning hearing the news that sherrilyn ifill is moving on from the f., who among us didn't go through this scenario in our heads? was like, oh, okay. she sat down with justice
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authorities working together searched their homes. local da telling the news politics that the search warrants were carried out to quote, gather evidence, in connection with an investigation into the mesa county clerk and recorders office. after yesterday's raid, the mesa county clerk went back on the live stream webcast podcast, hosted by my pillow ceo, who has now made a full-time job of promoting trump's election conspiracies. which she told the lindell livestream podcast was that the government was coming down on her as part of a cover up. but she is going to keep fighting because this is all about our country and stuff. it's a little awkward because this is a pillow guy's webcast, so even when they are fighting for the very soul of our democracy, the whole lower third of the screen, you can see there. don't forget to use promo code be 66, at my pillow.com, to save up to 66%. it's literally the lower third
of the livestream streaming what the interview -- of all the election conspiracies, fake election audits, and stop the steal that we have covered on the show, none of which is going away, this one might be the world's most bizarre story of them all. and it seems like the first one that has resulted in an fbi raid on at least four sites in the single state. for what it appears to be, it's quite serious federal state and local investigation on to what these folks are up to. joining us right now is jena griswold thank you so much for joining us tonight, i really appreciate your time. >> thank you for having me on rachel. >> this story started off as something that seemed small an awkward and maybe not worth figuring out the details of. but it has metastasized and become, not only very serious, but also sort of riveting in its way that it has unfolded. let me just ask you if i've missed any important parts of this or if i said any of it wrong. >> when you got the my pillow
guy, you got qanon unauthorized access, the only thing that i would add on is the entity that leaked the passwords and the images of the server of the voting equipment, is the guy who is allegedly q of qanon. so this is my pillow guy plus qanon plus election deniers compromising voting equipment to try and prove conspiracies. >> can you explain what you mean by compromise? what is dangerous about what was exposed here? obviously, we think of election software and election equipment as needing to be kept secure. and there's the reason that sort of things like passwords and all of that -- but what sort of compromise was this? why did mesa county have to get all of that? >> well just the fact that an authorized person access the voting equipment and that passwords which should only be used in person would compromise the equipment. but in fact, when we went to
investigate the equipment, we saw that settings were changed on that equipment. so, either way i was put in a position to just decertify. it makes a county replace the equipment. we of course put a judge to bar that clerk which the clerk was barred. and i'll tell you, rachel, we just had elections and it went great in mesa county. but this is an emerging threat to our democracy. the same conspiracy theories that were being pushed to set the table for voter suppression, are now causing insider threats to election administration. what >> can i ask you, you can tell the public about the involvement of congressman lauren boebert campaign manager here. i think that we had seen her as a sort of adjacent figure in the scandal thus far, but now that it appears that her homes were one of the places that were rated. had search warrants executed. can you tell us about what her involvement might be? >> i cannot fully comment on an ongoing criminal investigation.
but what i can say is that election administration provisions are really important positions. these are people at the local and the state level who are interested in making sure that americans have their voices heard and have free, assertive, all elections. we have not seen people like steve bannon, people close to the former president encouraging extremists to take local election positions. we are seeing at this point in every swing state, someone who is either at the insurrection or spreading the big lived, running to a secretary of state so that is the chief election administrator, so we need to make sure that the extremists on the right are not successful in compromising these key positions. that americans continue to people run their elections, they believe in their voice, their vote, and democracy. >> colorado secretary of state, jena griswold, think you so much for your time tonight. i know this is an ongoing
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