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we have seen it this year and
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previous years. piercing tweets become sharp knives. fiery words bring out deadly firearms and carting killing begins real live bloodshed. what scares me most is the attack we've seen on the first amendment over the last year from the left, from the democrat party. they are attacking moms first standing up and speaking out at school board meetings and now here we go again censoring speech, the most fundamental liberty we have. the vote was 2:23 2:07, all the democrats and just to republicans liz cheney and adam kinzinger vote both at home serve on that one six committee. gosar also lost his seat on the
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oversight and natural sources committee so, like marjorie terry lure green, he now has an office and a vote and that's it. about an hour after today's censure vote, they reported a message praising that included the funding video. his own siblings have spoken out against their own brother for years, his siblings say the man is not fit for office and just today, one of his brothers told nicole wallace that congress should go even further. >> he is somebody that literally needs to be censured and i can't say that enough. paul is one of trump's foot holders and he has no business being in congress. >> thanksgiving ought to be interesting. >> minority leader kevin mccarthy has come under fire from the democrats but not taking any action against gosar. >> why is a silent? a man is planning to kill
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another liberal and threatening the united states of america with yours truly to put out something like that, do you think for one moment that my democratic colleagues would not take action against me? they should do it, they would do it. >> the man at some point. as all the drama unfolded in washington, the president was in detroit talking about his infrastructure bill -- the d implant or they're pushing the benefit's arguing the measure will help reduce inflation and he took a thrilling victory lap in the hummer. the house is scheduled to begin on the build back better bill whether oil and gas countries might be in illegal practices used to keep gasoline prices high and in kenosha wisconsin
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tonight, the jury and the call rittenhouse trial has been sent in after a second day of deliberations, no verdict. yet they did make a second motion for a mistrial today this time for the -- judge has react to roll on other. we bring in ashley parker, untold surprise-winning white house chief for the washington post. robert costa, national reporter for the post. his book with -- it is called "peril" seven weeks on the new york best time list. also back with us is melissa murray, and why you -- she was on the federal bench before her nomination to the supreme court. good evening, welcome to three of you. professor, indeed, i would like to begin with you with this legal term of art we use that
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the top of the broadcast tonight. why is -- how common is it to waive an arraignment and knowing bannon as we do, what should we take away from this? it's not for the arraignment of the have that she chose not to do so in this case and that the lawyer waned by email. to see nearly to make this more. fission suggest that doesn't take this as seriously as anyone seems to be taking it so it isn't an orthodox staff that most defendants do not take -- there has been nothing by the book about all of this to begin with. >> indeed, nothing orthodox about mr. bannon's behavior, so robert, what is the calculation exactly to those on the trump team who say, in the face of a subpoena from congress, no i'm good, i'm gonna let this play out. >> it is a waiting game for
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steve bannon and four others in trump's order. they are waiting to see whether this gets to the supreme court and there is an expectation that ultimately through appeals, this questioning privilege, an executive privilege, we'll get to the high court. and they will decide and they are going to hope justice kavanaugh off and other conservatives on the court ruled in favor of protecting a former presidents privilege. even when he is talking to someone like steve bannon. who is out of the white house for years when they spoke to president trump in december of 2020, january, of 2021. >> ashley parker, watching the speeches and the run up to the sensor vote today in my view is going to make you feel sad for your country, whichever side of this you are on. it certainly was a display and it certainly only deeper still
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division in congress. a congress i note, joe biden needs in all ways. so, how is the white house watching all of this? >> well, it also undercuts in many ways president biden's one of his key campaign arguments and promises that if he was just to simply get elected, he, joe biden, a deal maker, a preacher of the senate bipartisanship would return to the body. and that he could prove that congress could work, washington can work, and govern. now in some ways, of course he has. he was signed into law, was 1.2 infrastructure package. at one, point when you look at a congress like that, where it wasn't just the sensor vote and of course the video that prompted it, but the speeches were so politicized, so partisan, that you just really see that there is very little room for joe biden to work with
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a kindness like. that and one final thing that we are noting is for all of the republican or electives way, or even just criticize what goes on for that video. they are very eager -- about punishing those 13 republicans who voted for joe biden's bipartisan infrastructure bill one former president donald trump is trying to get infrastructure done we're all years of his presidency was >> for someone as familiar with someone as the judiciary as you are, and especially when as our public back stop well -- how do you see the attempt in so many ways normalize political violence in the united states? >> well i think it is something that can do all branches should be concerned, about what --
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just about the street from the united states supreme court, but we've also seen violence meeting in federal judges and the judiciary out there, with -- in alabama so many years, with someone who opposed racial justice. we saw just a few years, ago the judge a new jersey, whose family members were gunned down by someone who took feminism and had gone too far. we had gone into that person's, file and there were some fouls from justin sotomayor herself. so these not only reflect the courts name of our discourse, but in a way that will have real life consequences, and very violent consequences on the ground. >> robert costa, we are going to put up a bit of writing from the wall street journal, and it has to do before some of the threats that were made today. political threats that were made on the floor of the house of representatives if we have that, quote let's put it on the street, perhaps we do, --
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there it is. >> democrats actions threaten to set off a new round of escalating partisan punishment anytime the majority changes hands, that's a direct pull quote from congressman coal of oklahoma, so the question for you, cole back sending the case to the ethics committee and said it should be his own party leadership that decides what should happen to mr. gosar. we certainly have seen the lack of reaction from mr. mccarthy. how much is payback? retribution? going to be the coin of the realm if control of this house flips during the midterms? >> there is certainly concern among democrats on capitol hill that there will be some kind of retribution in 2023. should republicans win the house majority in 2022. with that being said, the one democrat who really matters
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here in this discussion speaker nancy pelosi, she said she declared that and despite on what could be on the horizon, she frames this moment, with congressman gosar, as an emergency. she is deeply alarmed about his rhetoric, his comments, about the prospect of violence in congress. look what happened over in the united kingdom. violence is on the rise here in the u.s., and around the world to an elected official. so, pelosi said, actions had to be taken and most democrats, even though they are calculating what this could mean down the road, they stayed with her on this. because they believe they have to make a statement despite any political consequence. ashley parker, linda jocelyn doesn't always thought it was great fun to take us at this texas rain right for a ride, it is compact, car and had at full speed into lake lbj, his guest
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unaware that it wasn't amphibious car. that is to say that president in the modern era had very few opportunities, joe biden, a self described car guy, had a little bit of fun behind the wheel today. up that new home or kind of suv pick up truck that the gm is producing. zero to 60 in three seconds, i suppose is a. lot like becoming president. it gets your attention. it slams you back into the seat and of course, you come to a stop and reality is waiting for you next to the vehicle. you were with him yesterday and snowy new hampshire, how aware does the traveling white house seem of what americans are paying for gas and goods and how many christmas presents are going to be offshore in continuous shipping, and not in stores or in american homes. the white house is deeply aware
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of this. they are deeply aware of all the challenges the economic challenges, frankly, still the covid challenges that americans are facing. they care about it for two reasons, number, one joe biden very clearly said these are the people he was elected to represent and help and lift up and number two, it's putting him down politically. hurting the poll numbers. one thing that's fascinating, joe biden is not polling particularly well but's policies are doing quite well, and our four more popular. that's why you see this huge push to own the messaging. that's why he was on the crumbling bridge in new hampshire yesterday, that's why he was in detroit today. trying to talk about not just -- but to pass the bipartisan infrastructure bill. now he has to sell it and he has to message it and he has to tell those americans how that will improve gas prices. how that will improve the. life how that will improve
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their bank account. messaging is something they have gotten wrong and they are making a concerted push to have to say going back to the hubbard that you opened with, he did a fine job in new hampshire and i watched him today in detroit, he was much more i'm not made, and much more enthusiastic. it feels like he took some of that energy from the car ride and brought it into the speech. >> as long as there is a car at the presidential event he's good. something i saw on the news tonight, professor. this harkens back to the lbj to queue era. thurgood marshall was once the part of the legal defense fund. i know sherrilyn eiffel is done being down from that. talk about the awareness in your view of modern era law students. how much do they know about how important a role that has had in american jurisprudence over the years? >> and nyu law, they certainly
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know. sherrilyn ifill it's one of our alumni. she's been a fantastic representative for the law school and a fantastic leader of the el d. f. i was an intern at the idf when i was a law student and countless others have been at the ldf working for racial justice, voting law's across the country and many many years. founded -- founded by you said with a good martial. probably the most important pivotal decision from the supreme court in the entire generation and it has been on the frontlines have countless others. her work at ldf as brought this organization into the 21st century and been pivotal in fighting back against the trump administration over the last four years, really functioning as a private department of justice at a time when the trump administration was not doing quite a lot on civil rights and civil rights enforcement. her legacy there is enormous
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and we are incredibly proud of her at nyu when we look forward to what's to come from dna nelson who is her successor at ldf. i've >> never been so excited to ask a question of the top of my head. thank you for our panel. ashley parker, melissa murray robert costa. all with our thanks. coming up, the house punishes one member. but only to cross the vote to reprimand their pelt -- the republican, paul gosar you know this isn't about right or wrong. our political experts standing by to talk about what went down. in the season of giving, how about covid? tonight, why more states are going rogue taking matters and booster shots into their own hands and arms. all of it as the 11th hour is just getting underway in view of the washington monument on
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well representative gosar stand in the real? by its adoption of the house resolution, seven 89, the houses resolve that represented paul gosar of ericsson be censured. >> it's never good when you are called to prevent yourself in the well of congress. a powerful condemnation by democrats today for republican candidate paul gosar of arizona. he has been unapologetic about
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that animated video depicting him killing aoc and attacking the president of the united states. >> discussing death threats against a member of congress and a president of the united states, in an animated video, does not make those death threats any less real or less serious. conveying them this way makes them potentially more dangerous, by normalizing violence. >> one is so hard? what is so hard about saying that this is wrong? this is not about me, this is not about representative gosar, but this is about what we are willing to accept. >> let's talk about this day with our friends tonight eugene robinson pulled surprise winner for the washington post and mike murphy co-director of the center for the political future. he maintains there is one at
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the university of southern california. he's also cohost of the hacks on tap podcast. >> mike murphy, we will do multiple choice tonight. to republicans crossover the vote for center for a man so unapologetic and an ramos fold that he goes ahead and retweets the offending video after the vote. is that one, a pathetic showing by the republican party or to, should be celebrated as a profile encouraged by two republicans? >> i am tempted to say, well, see, all of the above. i'm proud of the people who voted for the censure i've had a little outrage -- he's gotten iq in the 30s, a moron. he took a japanese sword fighting cartoon and plastered some heads on it. i don't think there was a murder plot against any democrats here, they were a
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really kind of climbing the walls, but the fundamental issue is it was violence and we are at a time in our politics were democratic norms are under attack. so, you ought to have a hair trigger. gosar has had a whole career of stupid things like this, including sketching views on the january 6th insurrection. i wish 100 republicans censored him, he deserved. it i would like to move on and not have the outrage machines on both sides crank up and just treat this cynically. >> i would only add, let's not paint with a broad brush an iq of 30 has did some of us very well in life. eugene, i will play some of what we heard from the republicans in the house for your entertainment pleasure we will discuss on the other side. >> if i must join alexander hamilton, the first person attempted to be censored by this house, so be it. it is done. >> what are they doing today?
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censoring a member for a cartoon? you've got to be kidding me. >> when there was violence against us, there was no condemnation. >> today, we are critiquing paul gosar's anime. next week, we might be indicting the wily coyote for an explosive ordinance against the roadrunner. >> that gates can deliver a line, can't he? >> worrisome where typical? >> typical, typical. this is where the republican parted is right now. i had to birthmarks bubble, the fundraising machine, he is certainly already in high gear. that is politics right now. the politics right now, unfortunately, it is the charged with which this real and potential violence brings.
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it was a genuine outrage on my end, an atrocity, that gosar committed with that. he knows what he was doing. i think even with his iq of 30, he knew exactly what he was doing. he did it again. he meant. it he richly deserved the censure. it is his career of idiocy, and it goes back to his birtherism which got into congress in the first place. this was a day when the house upheld a norm that must be upheld. i was proud of what the house did today. as mike does, i wish more republicans had joined in supporting the institution, because it's important. >> on that note exactly -- >> go, ahead mike.
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>> after the hamilton line, i'm marking him down to 22 and the iq score. i'm taking him down more. >> my favorite was the references to dr. gosar, as if to prove a medical school had agreed to admit him somewhere in our country once upon a time. both of these jen's are staying with us. i will hit said break coming up when our conversation continues, is changing the messaging while the president is on the road, kind of like trying to change a tire on a moving homer? on a moving homer zero heartburn. because life starts when heartburn stops. take the challenge at prilosecotc dot com.
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forward for the nation, the infrastructure law that we just signed with the build back better plan, are being considered this week in congress will not add to inflation to the economy. >> the president today addressing concerns over inflation while selling his build back better plan, nbc news reports it's a conscious effort to re-brand and drum up support. it's a sentiment echoed by majority leader schumer on the senate floor today. >> it's simple. if we want to fight inflation. if we want to create more jobs, so many businesses are short of workers. and if we want to lower cost and make sure families have more money in their pockets. the best thing, the best thing we can do is pass build back
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better. >> still with us eugene robinson and mike murphy, so nothing less than a stem from the majority leader. is this how they have to sell it? kind of a back door way of noting, look, i know inflation is about to strangle all american families but it won't come from this. >> maybe with a little more vibrio but, yes. i think that this is the way that they should sell it. they should be telling people, look, we are on the side of the working class in the middle. class hardworking americans, and we want to lower your cost and make it possible for you to have more productive and satisfying lives were. i feel you are on a treadmill all the time. we want to get that message across. it is better than the message
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that they've had to date about build back better which has been kind of confusing, frankly. and sometimes they have to be all over these games of labor's have been making in the wake of the pandemic that the john deere workers have just settled in strike of getting a 10% raise, it's a whole lot of money in this day and age. seems to me, the democrats ought to make this a crusade for the working class for middle class and see if they can get some of those voters to turn them out to listen to them. >> mike, two things, number one point of personal privilege, gosar went to dental school and there is a tie in the members of the animation committee who will recall that is the live stream of her being the elf on rudolph. so, second point, back to our topic. what's more important to the white house?
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what should be more important? selling what's been passed. we're talking up what they need manchin to pass. or is there symbiotic relationship that once you explain to americans what the good needs that are coming and that there are more on the way, that may help the larger social spending bill? >> first, hearing that about gosar makes my teeth hurt. second, they are interconnected. with the white house, we need to sell something that people understand. president biden's poll numbers have crashed and they should not be an illusion about that. and either was driven by two things, one was persona. people traded in the insane chaos of the trump years for what they assume would be center is stability. but they see the progressives running crazy in the house, they see the president of united states unable to control the situation, they're, like wait a minute now we're getting left-wing chaos. we voted against, would have been to --
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joe biden. so one of the reasons for, that was that it was all three children again, against two trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion. we never knew that the average voter didn't know was the need to. what do you get? so that is the deer ship that they are trying. now and look, i think changing slogans is nice. i always thought build back better sounded like a chiropractor, but it won't fix the problem. they have to punch through what this means for real people, and they have to stop the democratic squabbling in d.c.. and in fact, biden has to be perceived of being in charge. he, looks [inaudible] >> so this is the restart and there's a need in the bill. it can so it, realized that a good amount in our home state today, but he needs a lot more of, it and he's got a close a darn thing in the senate. >> but mike, let me ask a follow-up, how do you do that? absent the kind of heavy and it
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old democratic party chairs, the three of us have seen in our lifetime, who do you go to? who do you talk to? who do you see about this to say that we are going to have a team meeting, you over their self squabbling, and you over there be more appreciative and let's play as one team? >> i think it's time for some triangulation. and it's gotta get tougher with his left. because they keep appeasing him and he's getting very little for. it the bottle -- bottom line did, too many people on the democratic side are refusing on -- the bottom line is that they don't have the vote for the hard left wing two trillion, three trillion, is going to be close to what manchin wants. that is reality. so right, now he needs to get on the side of that, fight the battle, and you know the squad that already voted against his own infrastructure plan. i would not be afraid to triangulated against the left like he did successfully in the democratic primaries when he got nominated, and deliver a
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victory, here and put himself in the middle of it being tough and in charge. even if he gets some criticism from the left, because then he's president again. >> yes, we do note, since members of the squad voted no, congresswoman tlaib was left off the manifest on air force one today. even though the president was flying to her cited. no votes have consequences. our thanks to our two friends eugene robinson, mike murphy. it's always a pleasure having you on. another break for, us and coming up, sorting out the complicated galaxy of booster shots. f booste shots. ] [gaming sounds] [gaming sounds] just think, he'll be driving for real soon. every new chevy equinox comes standard with chevy safety assist,
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hear from fda. >> the cdc director on the next steps concerning boosters, today moderna applied for fda approval of their booster shots for all adults, but a few states are already offering, third doses to anybody over 18 who wants one in a notable statement today, maine governor janet mills writes this, with maine and other new england states confronting a sustained surge, and with cold weather sending people indoors, we want to simplified the federal government's complicated eligibility guidelines. interesting night to have back with us tonight. doctor celine gounder, clinical assistant director of infectious diseases at the nyu disease medicine in new york. she was part of the panel that advised the incoming biden transition team and host a weekly podcast on the impact of the corona virus called appropriately, epidemic. so doctor where do you fall on this conversation around boosters and is the federal
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government a fair game in this criticism that this is taking too long and there is too many guardrails set up? >> well where we have very clear data that people benefit from additional doses of the vaccine is the elderly and particularly people over the age of 60, five people who are highly immunocompromised, and people who are living in nursing homes. and unfortunately even in those very, clearly high-risk groups, who are currently eligible for boosters of vaccines. we still haven't vaccinated the vast majority of, them i think we hit about 36% of adults over the age of 65, a similar percentage of people living in nursing, homes these are the highest risk people who really do need those extra doses of vaccines to -- in light of an impending surge this winter. >> i'm curious about something, and i asked doctor redline of
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version of this question last night, has there been any conversation at the federal level, the fda has this emergency use authorization. every time that phrase gets used another anti vaxxer gets their wings. they use that phrase as a basis to say an experimental vaccine, has anyone to your knowledge in the entire federal government, hey what if we call it something else? well, to be clear, the pfizer vaccine does have a full approval from the fda. that vaccine is fully approved, and if you compare that with some of the relatively more experimental therapies that are being used, monoclonal antibodies, for example, while they have received off throughout station from the fda, they have not been given to his many people as the vaccines. we have now seen billions doses of vaccines given to people
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around the world. this is really not experimental vaccines. that fda full approval has a lot to deal with making expectations of manufacturing facilities another set extra layers. the authorization really should be seen as look, the vaccines are safe and effective. >> if the subject comes up, have them. cami let's talk about the state of vermont, which we have correctly, talked about as a leader in mitigation. they've done so well. 70% of vermont's are vaccinated, and they are having a spike. is there a larger lesson in this to you? again, they are a small population. small land mess state. was the takeaway here that the shots may not be effective for as long as we thought? >> not at all. what we are seeing in vermont -- so they are the most highly
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vaccinated state in the country, across the population. they also have the highest rate of vaccinations among vermonters over the age of 65. about half of vermonters over the age of 65 or already fully vaccinated and also got a booster dose of vaccine. when we are seeing in states like vermont and other states in the northeast is that even though cases of covid infections are going up, we are not seeing a parallel spike in hospitalizations and deaths. that means, the vaccines are indeed working. they are protecting people from the more severe consequences of getting covid. >> i want to play for you some comments today with doctor fauci. we will discuss on the other side. >> i don't think we will get eradication. we only got that with smallpox. we have eliminated disease with vaccination like polio in the united states. as that exists, other places, we eliminated measles in the
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united states. it exists elsewhere. we eliminated malaria years and years ago, it exists elsewhere. i don't think we eliminated completely, we wanted control. >> he very effectively laid that out for laid people like me, to you, what does control look like? when will we get to declare? that will we know it when we see it? >> there is a wide range of wet control white -- might mean. what we need to be thinking about moving out of this emergency phase of the pandemic is really to think about all the viral infections that we have, whether that's influenza, covid, and viewing them as a composite, as a added total. how many people per year are getting sick and ended up in the hospital and dying from all the viral endless is combined. when you start to think about them collectively, in measures that will fight all of them, in
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trying to minimize them as a group, you can actually have a much more positive spin on this, and see that there is a way forward and we can for example, in addition to vaccinated against covid or the flu, many of the -- things we do because that covid reduced the flu. i think we need to be stepping back and looking at this big picture as opposed to only about covid. >> i guess once again has been doctor celine gounder, thank you so much for taking our questions and supplying the answers. coming up for us, here's the headline, millions of us are about to travel in some form or fashion, and the travel industry is not ready to carry the load. the load
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us are expected to travel somewhere for thanksgiving. transportation in this country is about to be pushed to its absolute limit. i am going to tell you right now what you are about to hear in this next report. you are going to hear that the number of americans projected to be traveling this solid a season, will be up 100% over last year. if it sounds like a, lot it is. here's a report from correspondent stephanie gosk. >> travel this thanksgiving will not look like it did at the height of the pandemic, but that doesn't mean it's back to normal. more than 53 million americans are on the move for the holiday. flight bookings are up over 100% from last year. >> is the system that's out there ready to handle all these people? >> actually, no it's not.
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i am afraid that this year it will be a lot more difficult to travel and then it has prior to the covid period. >> airlines are overstaffed, and many airports are as well. there are not as many rental cars and they cost more, averaging nearly $100 a day. gas prices are up over 60% in the last year. adding to the headaches, a storm is developing that forecasters say could cause disruptions from the midwest to the east coast. >> rain, thunderstorms, lake effect, show -- snow, and cold wind chills moving to sunday, monday, into tuesday morning. >> here are some important tips. by travel insurance, show up two hours early for domestic flights. the tsa has enough staff but lines will be long. >> everybody wants to travel and have a good experience. patients will be key. >> there will also be lines after security. not all stores and restaurants in terminals have reopened. drink that coffee at home before heading to the airport. >> there still is a strain of
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staffing shortage. it affected the entire troubling industry. >> then there are covid concerns. case number started to take up again, especially in the midwest and the northeast. masks are still mandated in all modes of public transportation. and the cdc recommends unvaccinated people continued to delay -- continue to delay their travel ideas altogether. -- stephanie gosk, nbc news. >> i tried to warn you. coming, up one nation under just one god, not quite with the founders had in mind. we will talk about it when we come back. w come back.
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tonight. mike flynn wants you to know he loves jesus. of course, a lot of people do. the difference is, and sort of sounds like mike flynn yearns for a theocracy. something closer to a force to and unofficial religion where americans are told who to warship and want to believe. >> if we are going to have one nation under god, which we must, we have to have one religion, one nation under god, one religion under god, right? all of us together, working together. >> but wait, there is more. there is also crucifixion. >> with all of this stuff with the january 6th they call it the insurrection crucifixion,
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because that is what it is. in a biblical sense, nancy pelosi like the punches pilot of this that they are doing to basically steal away all of the other aspects of what is happening across this country. >> it is hard to believe this man retired with three stars on his shoulder, and commended men and women in the u.s. army, say nothing of his 24 days as national security adviser to the president of the united states. he was, of course, later judged to have sold out his country. flynn's comments on religion proved too much for another retired army general, mark hertling, who writes this about flynn. flynn. that comment launched
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discussing of court-martial in flynn, at minimum, -- minimum, it takes taxpayers off the retirement benefits. that will leave only one other general flynn, mike's brother charles, a four star over at the pentagon. that is our broadcast for this wednesday evening. with our thanks for being here with us at the network here at nbc news, goodnight. nbc news, goodnight. tonight on all in. >> issuing a depiction of murdering a member of congress, is wrong. >> a far-right congressman faces punishment in the house. >> why is so hard? what is so hard about saying that this is wrong? >> tonight, the paul gosar vote, and the rising tide of political violence and violent
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threats in america. then, why the so-called qanon shaming and the book -- had the book thrown at him and his sentencing hearing today. as rittenhouse deliberations continue, can we talk about this judge for a minute? >> but what did they talk about? optics, nowadays? that's what they call? it that was a bad optic. >> -- job provisions shipping moving out of ports. why there is genuine good news about america's booming economic recovery. when all in, starts right now. >> good evening from new york, i'm chris. as article one, section six, of the u.s. constitution immunize members of congress for the things they say on the house or the house and foreign senate. quote.


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