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♪♪ we're coming on the air with new developments in that congressional investigation into the january 6th attack on the capitol. one of the people closest to former president trump by his side in the white house is now cooperating, we're told, with former chief of staff mark meadows, set for a deposition at some point soon. with potentially bad news for the former president coming in
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from an appeals court this afternoon as the judges seem skeptical of his argument that white house documents about the riot should be kept secret. we're live on that and we're live on omicron with the new warning from the w.h.o. on travel for people older than 60 with the government and pharmaceutical companies scrambling to get ahead of the new variant. >> we are working around the clock to ensure we're doing everything we can to understand this new variant. >> all of it sinking stocks this afternoon, with the dow down, as you can see, about 500 points or so in this last hour of trading. the fed chair telling congress today the new variant is a risk to the economy and says inflation may not be so temporary after all. i'm hallie jackson in washington, where we're starting with news out of the building behind me. former chief of staff mark meadows now cooperating with the congressional committee investigating the january 6th riot at the capitol, with the chairman bennie thompson saying, meadows has produced records to the committee and will soon appear for a deposition.
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this means meadows may escape what another reluctant reference, jeffrey clark, is headed toward, a contempt vote. all of it as a hearing today could pave the way for the release of any records from former president trump's time in the white house related to the insurrection. he's been in a legal battle for months to keep that stuff secret. i want to bring in pete williams and garrett haake. garrett, let me start with you. walk us through what we know about meadows level of cooperation. any indication that the threat of a contempt referral may be what sparked this from him? >> reporter: by parsing the experience from the committee's chairman announcing the cooperation from meadows and the attorney, it's clear he is cooperating a little bit but not as much as the committee would like. the committee tells us that meadows has handed over some documents. he'll sit for an initial deposition soon. but they say he won't be able to hide behind claims of privilege. they want to get everything they
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have to ask him answered. meadows attorney says he hopes the committee will continue to respect meadows' claims of privilege and will essentially ask him questions he can answer. so, hallie, it's pretty clear here the committee won't get everything they want. as to whether the threat of contempt here moved meadows, it's hard to say for sure. he certainly would have more to lose by being charged ultimately with contempt than say steve bannon. meadows is out promoting a book right now. he may want to have a future career in politics whereas bannon wants the fight, wants the attention. i don't think anybody would want to disagree with that point. >> fair assessment. >> for meadows, that may not be the same calculation in place. regardless, this will continue that back and forth dance between the former chief of staff and the committee over what exactly he is willing to share with them about january 6th. >> and garrett, you mentioned the issue of executive privilege coming up as it relates to the way that meadow ss looking to cooperate even somewhat with the
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committee. we're seeing that claim of executive privilege get triggered even in federal appeals court today. and i know you have reporting late this afternoon that the judges seem skeptical of the argue president that former president trump's attorneys are making. why? >> this argument went on for three and a half hours. it was scheduled for just an hour. just to show you how serious the appeals court is taking it. but the judges did not seem representative to trump's claim that he has the ability to come into court and challenge president biden's decision to waive executive privilege on about 700 of the thousands of pages of documents that the january 6th committee has sought. mr. trump's position is that, yes, a former president has some level of executive privilege and that he ought to be able to come into court and sue. the appeals court setd first of all, we're not even sure you have the authority to come in here and sue over this. it may be the court of appeals said that, you, mr. trump, can sue when the archives doesn't
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respect all the things you're supposed to be able to do under the law, which is raise your own concerns. once the current president waives executive privilege, the court seemed to say, there isn't much we can do about it. how are we, the judges, supposed to be able to decide who's right and who's wrong over the assertion of executive privilege. one of the judges said since when do we give the former president the ability to override the wishes of the current president on something sensitive like executive privilege. if the witnesses that are resisting the committee subpoenas are hoping for relief in the courts, some pat on the back for the trump argument that former presidents do have executive privilege, it doesn't appear they're going to get it from this court. >> and when might we know how they will rule one way or the other, pete? >> well, they gave every indication that they will do it soon. that's a relative term in federal court. >> right. >> it's certainly not the normal months that it takes the appeals court. i would say in a couple weeks we will probably get a decision on this. and then whoever loses, my guess
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is it will be trump's lawyered based on how it went today, they can go to the supreme court. >> as we look ahead, we're looking ahead to tomorrow night when the january 6th select committee will meet to vote on what we referred to at the top of the show, the contempt referral, first step, for jeffrey clark, former doj official who has not been cooperative. pending some surprise cooperation, any question on how that vote goes? or do you think it heads to the house maybe by the end of the week? >> i think that's the likelihood. that's certainly the expectation of democratic leaders in the house although perhaps the argument pete was just describing might be the kind of thing that pushing clark in a different direction. as you pointed out, he's been before the committee once and simply refused to answer their questions. so, they're pretty low on patience with them. i would expect at least a committee vote and possibly a full house vote this week. >> garrett haake, pete williams, thanks for being here this afternoon. want to turn to the latest
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in the fight against the new strain of the coronavirus, called omicron. the white house covid response team confirmed still no con frmed cases here in the u.s., at least for now, but they're actively looking for it, they say. as pharmaceutical companies scramble to try to get one step ahead of this variant. dr. fauci says at least 226 cases have been confirmed in at least 20 countries. you see all of them here on your screen. i want to bring in our nbc news team following all of this, gabe gutierrez and stephanie ruhle in new york and sam brock in miami. gabe, let me start with you. the head of covid response team says they are obviously working around the clock to learn more about this variant with still some question marks about, you know, the things that we don't know even as these travel restrictions go into effect. >> that's exactly right, hallie. and there is still a lot we don't know here. but the white house team says that, yes, around the country, they are analyzing some 80,000 samples per week, more than any other country. so, it's really only a matter of time, hallie, before we find
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this variant here in the u.s. and as you mentioned today dr. fauci saying that confirmed cases of this variant now in 20 countries, 226 confirmed cases. but he also stressed the importance of vaccines and boosters, even if it turns out that there may be less protection from them going up against this variant. take a listen to some of what he had to say there. >> as with other variants, although partial immune escape may occur, vaccines and particularly boosters give a level of antibody that even with variants like delta give you a degree of cross-protection, particularly against severe disease. >> and so hallie, you know, south africa has gotten a lot of attention here. but, you know, according to scientists, the first cases were actually reported in botswana on november 11th. you know, so potentially earlier than we actually expected here.
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and dr. fauci and the cdc director walensky also cautioned against taking some information, some anecdotal information, from south africa at this point. it has not painted a full picture yet. of course, hallie, as you know, there has been some talk about potentially younger children, children under two years old, there being an increase in hospitalizations in south africa. experts here in the u.s. caution against making too much of that information at this point. >> that's an important point, gabe. steph, let me go to you here. everybody, it seems, right, is talking about this new variant, including the fed chair, jerome powell. i want to play a little bit of what he had to say. >> the recent rise in covid-19 cases and the emergence of the omicron variant pose uncertainty for inflation. >> steph, you saw, i know, the
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stock market reaction to that, which was not great, if you want to see the market going up. talk to us about these concerns that powell raised and the double reasons, the double-barrelled response from the market because it's not just omicron. it's also what he said about inflation, right? >> yeah, omicron really is secondary. the real thing that turned the market today is when we saw jerome powell pivot. now, whether it's the fed or this administration, they've been talking about inflation, which is directly tied to covid, as transitory, short-term. this is the first time we've heard the fed chair say the words, it's time to retire the word transitory. inflation is the fed's top concern. and the real reason that the market is going down, yes, it's omicron. it's that the fed is going to taper their conducive monetary policy, all the support that they've been giving sooner. and likely we're going to see interest rates start to go up sooner rather than later, which isn't good for the stock market. it's better for savers. when interest rates go up a
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little bit. that's a sign that the economy is strong. it's not good to see the market go down this much. we didn't expect that jay powell would say something so aggressive. the market wasn't ready for that. but overall we are still in economic recovery. >> sam, as we talk about where we are with the economy, i know you've been talking with business owners down where you are in and around miami who are worried about what omicron might mean for them, right? >> that's true. hallie, i would say though that the concerns for business owners here in south florida is very different than the concerns from business owners in other parts of the country. we spoke with a gym owner from northern virginia yesterday who said, i'm really worried about january, february and march. this variant, if it were to escalate, there could be a slowing down of business or even a closure, government-man dated closures. that is not the concern in florida, let me tell you, obviously because governor ron desantis has said, there's not going to be mask mandates. there's going to be no vaccine requirements, no lockdowns. the concern in this area, as you
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look around, there's restaurants that have outdoor dining. the issue really is where folks are coming to south florida. it's from south america and central america, countries right now where the vaccination rates are extremely low. so, you have or at least comparatively speaking, you have more fertile ground should the omicron variant really take off. so, that's really part of this equation right now. i spoke with a business owner and asked him how do you feel about having people in your golf court as you're having them immerse. he said, i've been casual with my rules, but that could change. here's what he told me. >> it's more relaxed right now because i've had many older guests who would feel comfortable without wearing a mask because they received a second shot. so, this definitely will raise awareness in terms of business
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practice and requiring everyone to wear a mask. >> reporter: and hallie, the practical upshot here, as he said, he may start requiring negative tests from customers to attend art basel. for almost all the events you need a negative test or proof of vaccination. and that's been a contention point from florida to tallahassee. >> appreciate your reporting. we have to turn now to breaking news out of michigan, devastating news, because three people have been killed after a shooting at a high school in suburban detroit. you are looking at some video of the scene here. at least six people were shot, a 15-year-old suspect is currently in custody. we just heard a lot of this from officials on the scene just seconds ago. we're going to take a quick break, but we'll be right back with a live report on that. livt once upon a time, at the magical everly estate, landscaper larry and his trusty crew... were delayed when the new kid totaled his truck. timber...
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we are actively looking for the omicron variant right here in the united states. right now there is no evidence of omicron in the united states. >> that, of course, was dr. walensky from the cdc talking about the latest news as it relates to covid, that new strain, omicron. i want to bring in dr. ashish jha. dr. jha, thank you for being with us this afternoon. >> thank you. >> can i start with the news we
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mentioned at the top of the broadcast, this w.h.o. warning that people who are having, for example, issues with being immunocompromised or people over the age of 60 should not travel, should be travel restricted because of this new strain. can you break down what that means for people thinking about holiday traveling coming up, for example. >> i think w.h.o. is really speaking out of an abundance of caution here. we don't know to what extent the vaccines we have currently are going to hold up. i suspect if you're fully boosted -- as a matter of fact people who are severely immunocompromised. let's say the average healthy 65-year-old, if you're fully boosted, my expectation is that the vaccines are going to hold up just fine. you may take a little bit of a hit but not a massive one. we don't know that for sure. and i think w.h.o. is saying out of abundance of caution you may want to think about your travel plans. let's wait another week or ten days and get more data to make decisions. >> i talked with the chief medical officer of moderna about
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whether his vaccine could be effective against this new variant and others. >> i don't think it is likely there will be no protection from these vaccines against omicron, but we may see waning of it. i think the question could become, will we need to have boosting, which is very sensible, at the standard dose or even a higher dose. >> what is your sense about boosting and whether that will be required moving forward? >> yeah, i think right now certainly the boosters we have, which are not specific to any variant but general is clearly useful for all adults and any adult in america who has not yet gotten boosted should. on the issue of whether we're going to need omicron-specific vaccines, i'm happy to see both moderna and pfizer as well as j&j starting to build. my guess is they may end up being useful. we'll know more probably in the next couple of weeks as we get more data. at that point, if it turns out
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those specific boosters are helpful, we can talk about production and getting them out. >> what are you looking for then, dr. jha, over the next couple of weeks. i like many viewers follow you religiously as far as the guidance you give on these things, and i know you're waiting for more data to come out. what is going to be a pivot point or a decision point for you over the next say two to three weeks? >> i think in the next week to ten days we're going to get laboratory data on how effective our vaccines are against this variant. we're going to look at neutralizing assays and how well the antibodies vaccine generate, how well do they neutralize in the virus. in the week or two that follows that, we're going to get more clinical data. we're going to have more information about are we seeing break through infections, are they serious? so, certainly before we hit the holidays i think we'll have a lot better of a picture. we'll start filling in that gap even in the next week to ten days. >> thank you so much for being with us. we appreciate your time. we want to turn to the
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breaking news we told you about out of michigan where three people were killed at a shooting at a high school outside detroit late this afternoon. megan fitzgerald is covering this for us. megan, i understand from officials on the scene that the three people killed are believed to be students. do i have that right? >> reporter: yeah, that's absolutely right. the unfortunate news just coming in from authorities that as you said three students believed to be among those who died. we know a total of six people were shot. one of those individuals we understand is a teacher. this all happened just before 1:00 at oxford high school. this is about 45 minutes north of detroit when this shooter opened fire with a semiautomatic gun, according to law enforcement officials. but there was a school resource officer who was already in the school who was able to apprehend this suspect within five minutes. but understanding that over 100 calls came in to 911, a frantic scene, of course, when you hear
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guns going off inside the school building there. police responded immediately with s.w.a.t team, a large response. buses we understand are now taking students home, but a horrifying scene unfolding inside oxford high school where we know that there is a suspect in custody right now. no one else that we're looking for. and the gun has been recovered. >> do we know anything about the community or the area where this happened, megan? where specifically is it in michigan? >> reporter: right. it's a good question. and to give you perspective here, it's about 45 minutes north. so, it's in oxford, the community of oxford. so, really just outside of the suburbs of detroit. we know that this is a tight knit community. in fact i had an opportunity to speak with someone who's very familiar with this community and saying this is a close-knit community, of course excited and getting ready like many communities across the country for holidays. hanukkah already underway,
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christmas just around the corner when a gunman opens fire inside a high school in the middle of the school day. >> it is devastating news. it is the worst kind of news to bring folks as we cover this breaking news out of michigan. thank you for the update. we're going to stay on top of your story and look for more of your reporting coming up. thank you. coming up, as president biden arrives in minnesota to talk infrastructure back here in washington, a scramble to skeep the lights on, just to name a few. we're talking about all of it plus that developing news, debbie stabenow from michigan after the break. and later that brand-new announcement out of pennsylvania that dr. oz is officially looking to become senator oz. what it means for that state's very high stakes race next year.
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president biden and top white house officials looking not just to respond to that new covid variant but to try to sell the new bipartisan infrastructure law by hitting on what it means for people's daily lives and their checking accounts with the focus for this afternoon's stops on the new jobs and supports. you can see the president last
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hour getting off air force one in minnesota. he's visiting a technical college there. he'll deliver remarks right after and he's expected to touch on the supply chain, something jolene kent spoke about exclusively with labor secretary marty walsh. >> when do you think the supply chain will get back to normal? >> i don't think there's ever a normal in the supply chain. i think it's ups and downs over the years. it's not that type of industry. and i think that we're seeing a lot of relief today in the port of l.a., in the port of long beach here. we're certainly seeing in philadelphia a couple weeks ago, we're seeing relief there. we're seeing relief in south carolina. >> mike is traveling with the president in minnesota. >> hey, hallie. the president just arrived here at dakota county technical college. he's going to be taking a tour here and remarks. there's a lot crowding out the president's time and agenda. the omicron variant threatening
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to block out what the white house wants to do, which is to keep selling the bipartisan infrastructure bill, which is now law, according to a white house official. the administration -- this is really representing the first of what they insist. we've heard this before, right -- will be a sustained national tour from the president, vice president, members of the cabinet to talk about a promise made and a promise delivered on by the president. the fact he said he would forge consensus in washington, work across the party aisle, and that's what exactly happened with regard to the infrastructure plan. we saw him in michigan a few weeks ago talking about electric vehicles. today he's talking about that. you've heard him use this line before, blue collar blueprint. that's how he styles the infrastructure plan. the kind of skill training like this one is essential for the manufacturing jobs of the future and manufacturing jobs created by this law. hallie, you'll notice we are wearing a mask, we are indoors,
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minnesota is seeing its highest case rates in about a year. and this speaks to the other big item crowding out the president's agenda, which is omicron. the white house showing they can do two things at once here. >> thank you very much. we should also note you can catch more of jolene kent's exclusive interview tonight on "nbc nightly news." back in washington, the focus is on the bigger, broader social spending bill that the president wants passed along with this week's deadline to avoid a government shutdown. and the new wrench thrown into the plan to pass the defense policy bill. wait, there's more, like the debt limit issue they're looking to figure out. that is a jam packed december, with one senator moving the christmas decorating to his place in d.c. that is not a superpositive sign of optimism there. senator, good afternoon. thank you for being back on the show. >> good to be back, hallie. >> i have a lot of questions related to what we just talked
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about and the agenda in front of congress. i have to start about the breaking news we just reported on here on msnbc, and that is that horrific school shooting that happened in oxford. have you been briefed on this? do you have any information you could share here? >> i haven't been completely briefed yet. we'll be hearing from the sheriff of oakland county in just a little bit. we do know there are three deaths of students. this is incredibly heartbreaking. we have at least one teacher who has been injured, five students who have been injured. we know it's a 15-year-old that was a student at the school. i know this community well. and it's horrifying. my heart goes out to every one of the folks in the community. >> can you tell us more about the community, senator? i think one of the refrains you so often hear after something horrific as this, could it have happened here? we didn't think it could.
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obviously we cover school shootings far more often than we want to be here. >> right. >> tell us more about the area. >> sure. well, this is in northern, northwest oakland county. it's a small community. it's really a beautiful community, as with northern oakland county, surrounded by a lot of lakes. and it's a tight-knit community. literally, this can happen anywhere. we'll wait to find out the specifics. but just as usual we've got a lot of questions about the weapon, how this young person got the weapon, what was happening for him. and we will just have to wait and see. but three students losing their lives and others being injured is just horrible for the community. >> yeah, it is devastated, i know, to report on it. i'm sure to represent that area. i want to turn now to some of the issues that are happening where you're standing right now
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in the capitol building here in washington. and some news late this afternoon. i know you signed onto this new letter, this new way to address sexual assault and other serious crimes in the military included in the ndaa. that is now potentially at risk of being left out. why? >> well, at first i want to thank senator gillibrand who's really been the leader on this in the armed services committee. and with her leadership and the support of many of us, this has been included in the senate version of the national defense authorization act. so, we have a comprehensive approach that's been developed that's in the senate bill. there's a different approach. it's more narrow in the house bill. so, the letter you're referring to is a group on a bipartisan basis who want to make sure that when they're negotiating the final bill between the house and the senate that they use the
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stronger, more comprehensive version of addressing these issues. >> so, is the ndaa officially getting punted now to the end of the month? >> well, we're waiting to hear from mitch mcconnell about that. i know that the leaders of the legislation worked together as always. i mean, this is probably one of those bipartisan bills that is done every single year in the senate. they work closely together. they want to get this done. leader schumer has actually authored more amendments, they've had more amendments accepted in a package than were actually voted on the last four years under mitch mcconnell. so, mitch mcconnell saying this is because of amendments. it's not because of amendments. and the only issue right now is whether or not they just want to slow everything down and play politics with the defense budget and with supporting our troops. and we'll know later today whether they want a path because
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we can vote on more amendments as long as we have a finite number to vote on so we can get on with everything else we feed had to do like making sure the government's not shut down and completing what we need to do on build back better. so, we have a whole agenda that needs to get done now in december. and this is an important part of it. but i worry that mitch mcconnell is just one more time putting sand in the gears to try to slow thing downs so that president biden's not successful and the democratic majority is not successful. so, we'll see. one way or the other, this will get done by the end of the year. >> i want to ask about another headline, mark meadows former chief of staff to former president trump is cooperating at least to some degree with the committee. your reaction? is that something you would support if it goes to the house as expected? >> i would absolutely support it. every single person that has been asked to cooperate and
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share information should be doing it, period. and i want to commend the committee for really important work that they are moving forward on. >> senator debbie stabenow, thank you so much for your time and for being with us this afternoon. know that our thoughts are with michiganders, given that breaking news we talked about in the show. we're headed live to minneapolis for jury selection in yet another highly anticipated trial against the former police officer who says she confused her gun for her taser when she killed 20-year-old daunte wright. that live report coming up. wri. that live report coming up how te dry weather... ...and dry, cracked skin. new gold bond advanced healing ointment. restore healthy skin, with no sticky feeling. gold bond. champion your skin.
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>> taser, taser, taser! >> potter was charged in april with manslaughter and has pleaded not guilty. i want to bring in nbc news correspondent shaq brewster. here we are the first few hours of this trial going on here. what are the key moments for you so far? well, so far hallie, three jurors have been selected. two of them are men. one is a woman. now, these jurors are going to remain anonymous throughout the entire process, throughout the trial and through deliberations. but we are learning a bit about them as they're being questioned by attorneys from both sides. for example, we know one is a retired special-ed teacher. we know the other -- or another -- formerly played on a band that was touring the
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country at one point, a bass guitar player apparently. we're learning more about them as we're going throughout this process. we also got a major headline during the questioning of the juror. the defense attorney announcing that kim potter will take the stand once this trial is underway. we know opening statements begin december 8th. i want you to listen to the moment when we learned what they plan for her to say. >> well, let me tell you the -- if you're selected, officer potter will testify and tell you what she remembered happened. >> right, right, yes. >> so, you will know not just from the video but from the officers at the scene and officer potter herself. >> now, officer potter is facing two counts, first and second degree manslaughter. the highest count carries a maximum sentence of 15 years in
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prison, though legal experts warn if she is convicted she wouldn't serve. it's unlikely she would serve that much time. this trial will be underway. i mentioned opening statements beginning december 8th. the trial is expected to last about two weeks and the jury will be sequestered once those deliberations again. >> shaq brewster live in minneapolis. thank you. after the break, the nsfw twitter fight blowing up between two house republicans, why one is calling the other the trash of the gop conference. as the supreme court gets ready to hear one of the most important abortion cases, an important question here, what happens to women who are denied an abortion? to women who are de an abortion?
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running for the senate to empower you to control your destiny to reinvigorate our great nation and to reignite the divine spark we should be seeing in each other. mark, there has been rumors and speculation dr. oz was going to announce this run, launch this run. he has now done so, and one of the interesting pieces about this is it is a wide open race on the republican side, on both sides really, but especially given shawn parnell is no longer in the race. he dropped out. he was the trump-endorsed candidate. >> this is absolutely wide open and this is the race to succeed pat toomey. after shawn parnell, who was seen as the trump backed cabinet, who was probably in the driver seat to get the trump-backed nomination, he suspended his campaign. there are several other candidates running including dr. oz. that field also includes former president trump ambassador to denmark.
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and on the democratic side, it is also wide open, hallie, with a really diverse field of candidates, ideologically and racially on the democratic side. and we'll find out who both parties nominate in what could end up being a race that controls the senate. >> can't talk about dr. oz without talking about his political background, the real serious questions that have been raised about some of the things he said as far as the medical side of things, right? >> you know, hallie, you know, when donald trump became a candidate back in 2015, he at least had weighed in on the 2012 presidential contest and was a surrogate for mitt romney, who was then the republican presidential nominee. dr. oz, other than giving that physical to donald trump in the final months of the 2016 race really hasn't played a big role in presidential politics or national politics at all. so, this is a little bit different of somebody who's just coming in. i don't think anyone necessarily knew that he was a republican up
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until just recently when this had been floated. one other interesting thing is just the residency factor. he's been the long-time resident of new jersey who just changed voter registration to pennsylvania where his so i imagine that becomes an issue if he makes it to the general election, but might be brought up by his primary opponents on the republican side. >> there's also these public jabs happening between marjorie taylor greene and nancy mace. bring us up to speed on what happened here because there were emojis involved, and where the republican leadership stands. >> this all comes back to those comments that colorado republican congresswoman made, the islamophobiaic remarks about omar. nancy mace ended up criticizing those comments and marjorie
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taylor greene came in and said and called nancy mace the trash of the republican conference and you ended up seeing in an emoji kind of expletive way, mace respond back to marjorie taylor greene and you know, we often talk about the divide even in this post trump republican party of you know the kinsingers and liz cheneys of the world, but this fight also showing you some of these divisions are even deeper and if republicans take congress after 2022, this could be tricky. >> appreciate you joining us. tomorrow, the supreme court will hear arguments in the most consequential abortion case in the last three decades. the court is going to look at the effort to outlaw abortion after 15 weeks and the decision could overturn decisions in this country. they sometimes don't directly
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address a really important question here. what happens to women's lives after they cannot get an abortion? here with us is jake. good to see you. >> great to be with you. you know, it is extraordinary to hear all of the rhetoric in this country based on political, moral, religious arguments, but turns out that when you look at the science as to what really happens when someone cannot get an abortion they want, it's incredible to find out the results and that is especially true when you speak to someone who has experienced those effects personally. she spent years here on the south side of chicago, living with her mother and raising two baby daughters. >> i learned a lot here. became a mother here. had no clue what i was doing. >> once she became pregnant with her third, she knew it would be too much. >> i called around to a few abortion clinics to terminate the pregnancy and the prices i was quoted felt, i mean, they
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were ridiculous. i could not save up enough money if i tried. i was essentially forced to carry the pregnancy to term even though i didn't want to. >> she says her fears came true. >> some point living on my own because i needed to redistribute money within the house and make sure at least the rent is paid. >> her story is far from unique. in a first of it kind, ten-year study of more than 1,000 american women, diana green foster of the university of california san francisco, saw this path repeated again and again. >> we'd find that women who were denied abortions are more likely to be poor. people say it's not the right time and we find that they're unable to achieve other life aspirations when they're denied and abortion. >> the study found that women who are denied abortion saw a
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four fold increase that their household fell below the poverty line, more likely to get lower credit scores, and less likely to graduate with advanced degrees. about ten years ago, she became pregnant again. she found grant money and got the abortion she wanted. >> i didn't feel like i was going to be pushed further into poverty. >> it put her in a position to decide, at age 28, that she was ready for another child. today, she's an advocate for reproductive rights. >> when i felt ready, it shows because she's wise beyond, i mean, it's -- she's something else. she's something else. i bought my first home recently. like, i can see it clear now, like how much things have changed. i feel like accessing the care i needed and getting the abortion i needed set up everything. >> the clear takeaway here is twofold. one, women tend to know exactly why they want the abortion
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because those are the effects that befall them if they don't get one and by every standard measure of well-being, they wind up doing worse than women who were able to actually get an abortion and that, unfortunately, is the effect we're probably going to see in 24 states if this supreme court allows the mississippi law to be upheld. >> jake ward reporting, thank you so much. and timely, too. tomorrow starting at 9:00 eastern, i will be outside the supreme court kicking off special coverage of those critical oral arguments on the mississippi abortion law. again, that's tomorrow at 9:00. at 10:00, the rest of our team of legal experts will take you inside court for the rare opportunity to hear the justices ask questions live. that is special coverage tomorrow here on msnbc. want to update you now on a deadly high school shooting in oxford, michigan. police just confirming three people, all believed to be students, have been killed. six others hurt. it happened before 1:00 local
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time today. the oakland county sheriff's office confirmed the suspected shooter, a 15-year-old student, is in custody. >> well, i, he's already invoked his right to not speak. he wants an attorney. it's a very tragic situation, obviously. >> we're expecting another update from police in about an hour, to stay tuned to msnbc for that. that does it for us. you can find us on twitter and on our streaming platform and every weeknight at 5:00 eastern. deadline white house starts right after the break. deadline white house starts right after the break. introducing the biggest advancement in the history of small business bookkeeping.
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