tv The Beat With Ari Melber MSNBC December 1, 2021 3:00pm-4:00pm PST
there is a big announcement this afternoon in georgia where stacey abrams launched her campaign for governor. she narrowly lost the race in 2018 and the announcement today could set up a potential rematch. if she wins stacey abrams would make history as georgia's first female and first african-american governor. thank you so much for letting us into your homes during these truly extraordinary homes. the beat with ari melber starts right now. thank you very much. we are tracking breaking news as congress considers criminal contempt in a committee vote to potentially put another trump veteran in the eyes of the doj. and a report on the historic clash of women's rights. top story is breaking news in the pandemic.
the new covid variant omicron hit the u.s. with dr. fauci announcing the first detected case while speaking at the white house. >> this is the first confirmed case of covid-19 caused by the omicron variant detected in the united states. we knew it was just a matter of time before the first case of omicron would be detected in the united states. >> the first case showing up in san francisco according to the cdc. it got there through a person that travelled to america from south africa on november 22nd. the person was fully vaccinated and now has mild symptoms. officials tested their contacts and found no spreading. a doctor explains how they nailed this down quickly. >> we were able to confirm the detection of omicron within five hours and had most of the genome within eight hours. so, 4:00 a.m. last night we assembled most of the genome and were able to conclusively
demonstrate this was indeed an infection from the omicron variant. >> as people brace for what will be a third year of the covid era, it is clear that personal fatigue and emotion are irrelevant to a mutating pandemic. it will spread and adjust byes it own process and people and governments are more effective at mitigation than elimination. we don't know how to make this thing go away. that hasn't proven to be possible. we know in the u.s. the vaccine is working to slow down the spread and cut the death rate. down to half of the fall's high point. the biden administration adding travel safety measures like more testing right before people can enter. now, there is a downward trend line, does it mean we are in the clear? does anybody even know the answer? yes. because there is a lot of data now about what works and how
this spreads, even when we have to adjust to new mutations that require more learning on the go. when it comes to the data, take europe which experienced the first wave of covid before us in america and is in a later stage now with lessons for our possible future. even apart from the new variant which is in over 20 countries, europe is right now experiencing huge spikes in covid cases and transmission. what you see on the map from the "new york times" are the dark red areas are hit the hardest. if you want it in one sentence, here you go. right now europe has more covid cases reported daily than at any previous point. just take that in. it is 2021. there are vaccines now. there are more covid in europe tonight than ever before. that has some countries already going back to lockdowns like austria and slovakia and others bracing for the possibility.
we are concerned that the new variant may pose substantial risk to public health. >> belgium confirmed it identified one case of the new strain which feared to be more transmissable than the delta variant. >> austrians have been told to stay home and only go out for essential reasons. >> hard. angry. all things. that is what is going on over there. we know it is a global pandemic, but it can be easy to focus just on our community or neighborhood or country, and yet the nature of this provides information and even guidance for us by looking at what is abroad particularly. as i emphasized some of what happens abroad is a first run for what is a possibility and sometimes a likelihood to happen here. if you look at europe literally breaking records, more covid now than ever before, you can ask is that an argument for cynicism or
giving up. science shows the opposite. if europe had the covid rate they have tonight a year ago before vaccines, there would be far more death by multiples, double or triple. thanks to the effective vaccines, many countries are surviving the current covid surge, and it is only in the places remaining poorly vaccinated where deaths are reaching anything like the past levels. you take it all in as people worry and wonder about a new strain and europe shows what could be in our future soon. there is a lot of talk about returning to normal or a new normal. nobody can predict how covid will continue to mutate but science and experts can show what works. we can think of the pandemic era a bit like mitigating natural disasters like hurricanes. all of the knowledge and technology in the world does not prevent the existence of hurricanes but we know how to mitigate them when they make
landfall and how to plan and spend to reduce the worst impact and death. in the evidence and science-based world the current covid surge is now, while concerning, already now far less deadly because of these vaccines. that is a fact. that is a fact worth knowing. right now the alternatives to facts remain dangerous. with that in mind let's bring in our experts. dr. patel and michael steele the former lieutenant governor and rnc chair. doctors, your thoughts on what you know about the new strain and the mitigation phase of the ongoing pandemic. >> ari, you captured it correctly. if we could compare and had omicron now and the transmissibility which we are still trying to get more details on just how infectious this is compared to the delta variant. if we had it a year ago it would have been devastation, without knowing the severity.
just the threat alone that it is so easy to spread would have been concerning. here is what we should say and emphasize that we do know. it is in the united states. it is likely we will see other cases emerging slowly over the next several days. compare it to delta where it kind of overtakes all of the other variants, based on south africa and other experiences might see it overtaking the delta variant. that in and of itself shouldn't concern people. i think we will have to see some of the data around the current vaccines being effective. ari, i don't expect our current vaccines to work as well as they do against the delta variant because the virus mutates and it is normal to expect mutations evading part of the immunity. not to scare people, but i think when we see the data, don't be shocked. we saw this with the variant that we thought also emerged from the south africa area.
that is level setting things. i think what is consequential to answer, does it lead to more hospitalizations and deaths, and do we see reinfections in people that are fully healthy and immunized, including boosters and people infected with the delta strain of the virus. those questions being answered will tell us a lot more but it will take time. >> yeah. you mentioned answering those questions particularly on the vaccine. we were just with the moderna co-founder. here is what he said. >> there may be 40 to 50% but given the amount of boosting we can get that could well be handled by the current vaccines. we are eager to find out what the data will be. we don't know yet. the thing we do know is that this could be threatening and we need to be extremely vigilant.
>> doctor? >> i completely agree. it is hard to know where the reduction of 40 to 50% comes. maybe he knows something we don't. having said that a reduction seems likely. before those kind of questions that patients asked me today in particular, hey, i can get the specific booster tailored for omicron. i want to caution people from thinking that. the broader our immunity, the better we are to anticipate variants our body hasn't even seen yet. if we do something super tailored for one variant we might be setting ourselves up for something that does not benefit us downstream. this is here with us and unlikely we eradicate it. >> all interesting points. michael, we talk about what we don't know yet and try to get people the actual information we do have. when you look at the history when covid hit during the trump era and things we are only learning now about what happened
then, including just shockingly irresponsible behavior by then president trump. the fact that it is in the past does not mean it is not news. this is courtesy of a book by his own chief of staff, mark meadows. he writes though he knew each candidate was required to test negative for the virus within 72 hours, the start time of the major biden debate, nothing would stop trump from going out there even though he tested positive. that among other things at the white house. take a listen. >> what are you doing to save lives. the former president suggested people inject bleach and didn't share with people he was going to interact with that he tested positive for covid himself and provided a form for misinformation that led to people not taking steps forward
to protect themselves and wear a mask and eventually get vaccinated. >> michael. >> well, i have been saying for over a year now and going on two years that leadership sets the behavior, good or bad in the general population. nobody should be surprised that a, in how trump approached this. we had that evidence early on going back to february of 2020. nobody should be surprised by the fact that people responded by some measures and quarters the way they have until the advice the warning the information that individuals like the good doctor have shared with us over the past two years. how that gets discounted and disrupted because of an arrogance of selfishness that these individuals have. the trump revelation does not surprise me.
i don't know why we are acting as if we are surprised by it. we have seen the consistency in the pattern and to what we were just talking about and what you reported on before, the question in dealing not just with delta but every variant that comes in the future. this has gone from pandemic to endemic. it is going to be among us and relies on us and our behavior now to deal with it. and so you are absolutely right if this occurred a year ago the death and hospitalizations would have been horrific levels, but we have seen the benefit of vaccinations. we have seen the benefit of wearing the mask and in some cases draconian efforts to enforce that, much to the chagrin of a lot of people. but keep in mind those measures were put in place because you wouldn't do the right thing. you know, we have to understand our role and responsibility in how we get on the other side of this. the doctor can come over here
and tell us day in and day out, folks, take an aspirin. check your temperature. folks, to deal with every illness or symptom that you may have. if you don't pay attention to what the doctor is telling you to do and how to help yourself, you can't be surprised when you get a revelation that yeah, this guy had covid and never told anybody. that leadership has poisoned this well in such a manner that people follow and here we are. >> yeah. michael, i am thinking about this in terms of public persuasion and communication, something you know a lot about. there was a time when a lot of the people in leadership shared the wrong premise for whatever good reasons, and i mentioned this in our set up. getting around the corner and back to "normal." new york city is a blue town for example. they had a big concert planned in the summer about reopening.
people in both parties talked about that way. we know the covid wars are devisive in other ways like the vaccine stuff but how do you summon the hard message and the hard news to people as we go to year three that it ain't about getting around a corner because in the next month or three or five it will be gucci. no. it is about really delivering the more, you know, grit, tough, war-like mentality if you want to use that phrase. to tell people we have to get through this over time. we are not getting back to any sort of normal soon. >> i agree with that ari. i think that is the challenge that the biden administration is facing right now. coming in the door there are a lot of obstacles put in front of it but it got a good lift off
with the vaccine program and then delta hits. so they have been pushed back on their heels because once you think you are going to turn the corner, to your point boom. now we have omicron. and guaranteed by next, the end of winter and beginning of spring there will be something else. that goes to the overall nature of why dr. patel and others are telling us to please get the vaccination. because yeah, this thing is going to mutate. it is going to change. you want to be protected. that is the key thing here. that is what the doctor has been trying to tell us. this is not going to heal you. it is might not even prevent you but it will protect you if you get ill and that is how you begin to turn the corner on this thing. i heard someone talking about herd immunity. we reached herd immunity. dude, no we haven't. only 60% of the country has
gotten one shot. you have to understand where we are. that is the challenge for the political leadership to narrate that challenge in a way that encourages people to understand what is at stake. there is only so much dr. patel and others can do and say. at a certain point that political leadership will have to make it real because of the impact it has on things like the economy and other factors of daily living. >> right. that goes to the premise as people talk about risk management and all of that. mikes to michael steele and dr. patel. coming up, there was an incredibly significant set of arguments at the supreme court today and we have a breakdown and a dire warning from justice sotomayor. we will play some of the most important parts with my legal breakdown and moments away from what will be a second contempt
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abortion case yet. today, thousands gathered outside the courthouse, the sign that many know this is the case that could change everything. protesters on both sides of the abortion debate and after two sides of the arguments many of the pro-life advocates felt they were the people to cheer. the court is open to upholding the ban and ready to gut roe interpreting statements. >> viability, it seems to me doesn't have anything to do with choice. but if it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time? >> the newest justice trump appointee amy coney barrett attacked one of the premises of roe v. wade, it is a burden for the government for women to require they have a child. she said it is true that forced parenting hinders women, but then ventured they could avoid
the burden by giving up the child for adoption and she refers to safe haven laws which provide a safe haven for a new mother to safely offer a child for adoption. >> it's also focused on the consequences of parenting and the obligations of motherhood that flow from pregnancy. why don't the safe haven laws take care of that problem and focuses the burden more narrowly and it doesn't seem to me to follow that pregnancy and parent hood are all part of the same burden. >> now, as a legal matter that claim has an extreme premise that basically abides the court's long-standing precedent that maybe it is not a burden for the government to require women to carry this to term because they can later give the then baby up for adoption. republican justices claim they
recognize precedent under oath, a contradiction displayed most blatantly today by trump appointee brett kavanaugh. >> i understand the importance of the precedent set forth in roe v. wade. settled as a precedent of the supreme court. it has been reaffirmed many times. planned parent hood vs. casey reaffirmed roe, casey now becomes the precedent on precedent. you think of some of the most important cases, most consequential cases in this court's history. there are a string of them where the cases overruled precedent. if the court in those cases had listened and adhered to lockner and if the court had done that in those cases, the country would be a much different place. >> just a glaring contradiction there. the first statements of his
confirmation hearing were under oath and critics said kavanaugh was misleading about several things and justice sotomayor asked about the politics hanging over all of this is aing republicans openly said they could reverse the roe precedent now because they have new trump justices on this court. >> the sponsors of this bill, the house bill in mississippi, said we are doing it because we have new justices. will this institution survive the stench that this creates in the public perception that the constitution ands it reading are just political acts? i don't see how it is possible. >> that statement there going right at these issues of the contradictions about precedent by some of the republican
appointees. today women's rights lawyers told the court a precedent cannot be legally overruled because a new justice personally disagrees with it or considers it wrong. >> the view that a previous precedent is wrong, your honor, has never been enough for this court to overrule and it certainly shouldn't be enough to overrule here when there is 50 years of precedent. >> next the justices will privately discuss what they will do. will they overturn roe and abortion rights or uphold the early ban on abortion law claiming some rights still exist under law or do what is less likely from the questioning today, also potentially use their power to strike the ban down. a ruling for mississippi will green light a national crackdown, we know that. over 20 states are prepared to pass mississippi-style laws if the court green lights it. we are joined now for further analysis by emily bazelon, writer with the "new york times"
magazine. your thoughts on what today revealed. >> i thought today revealed that there were five votes, certainly to uphold mississippi's law and probably six votes with chief justice john roberts which is a major departure from roe because of the difference between a 15-week ban on abortion and bans after viability. and i thought that there might well be five votes for overturning roe or coming very close to that. by setting a standard that would allow states to pass laws that would, you know, be at 12 weeks or earlier. it just did not seem that the conservatives have a clear distinction that would allow for a middle path. >> yeah. you talk about whether there are those votes. that is certainly how justice alito sounded. basically, again, we can't always over interpret questions, but some questions are more assertions about what they think the laws should be. after the question phase they do
say what the law is. here is alito. >> the fetus has an interest in having a life, and that doesn't change. does it? from the point before viability to the point after viability. >> emily. >> well, i think it is pretty clear that alito and justice gorsuch and thomas are ready to overturn roe. the votes in play are from chief justice roberts and maybe kavanaugh or barrett. i thought kavanaugh invoking a great hit list of overruling of precedent and how important that has been under scored his feeling you could add roe to the list and it deserved to be overturned. the same way as plessy vs. ferguson that upheld the principle of separate but equal. if you think of roe in those terms, why would you keep it. justice barrett's questions
about adoption suggested as she said was separating the burdens of parenthood on women from the burdens of being pregnant. and that is not how our constitutional law on abortion has worked in the 50 years since roe, but it was interesting that is how she seemed to see it. >> does it matter some of the justices are flatly contradicting all of their precedent claims under oath to the senate? >> i mean it can matter to you and the public but it does not matter in terms of what they are allowed to do. they get to count to five. i think one thing that really struck me listening to the argument is how the legal questions can seem relatively divorced from people's lives. you know, the notion that it is the same to put a baby up for adoption as to not be forced to carry a pregnancy to term. i think that a lot of women and people experience those as very different acts and very different parts of their lives.
so, it surprised me to hear them treated as kind of separate in this legal sense without a recognition what it really means for the people that will be affected by the court's decision. >> yeah. i think that is an important insight there about how it sounds reflecting how they are thinking about it and then the great powers they wield over people. and in this case as we factually emphasized in our coverage about women, about womens' rights and bodies and what is going to happen. we appreciate your clear analysis and reporting. emily bazelon. thank you. we turn now to another developing news story in the insurrection probe. mark meadows folded into cooperation after seeing the fate of a controversial witness that tried to defy the committee, steve bannon, now under contempt of congress
bringing us to breaking news right now. tonight the committee will vote on whether to recommend criminal contempt charges for a former doj official named jeffrey clark. this is just outside the closed-doors where it is all going down. the vote is scheduled to take place within the next hour and all indications the committee is convening an order to hit him with contempt and it will go to the if full house chamber for a vote. they want clark's testimony. members of congress see him as a key actor within that government. >> jeffrey clark was a key effort within the department of justice using the brand of the department of justice to continue to stoke the fear and the misinformation campaign that the former president waged. >> here is what we know.
breaking tonight because it would be the second official after bannon. you know what happened to bannon. the vote led to his indictment. first, as scheduled in the next hour, the committee would hold a vote. if they vote on contempt, then congress could vote. if anything like the bannon vote, we expect the democrats would be united there. the big choice falls to doj to decide whether or not to indict a second trump official. in that case, the trump veteran could find himself prosecuted by his own former colleagues at the justice department. quite a quick turnaround. i am wondering what michael steele thinks about why some trump aides are folding and others are taking criminal risks to run and hide. i will ask when he is back with us in just 60 seconds. s back wi us in just 60 seconds. with pronamel repair toothpaste, we can help actively repair enamel in its weakened state. it's innovative. my go to toothpaste is going to be pronamel repair.
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to hold a second official in contempt. michael, what is your view why some officials like bannon continue to defy and clark and others like meadows looking at even the risk of jail or trial, et cetera, saying no thank you. >> well, i think some of it has to do with how much they bought into trump world and trump lies for their own self preservation or just wanting to have trump like them. there was reporting, you know, at the end of last week about mark meadows and how a lot of his own members of the republican caucus saw and viewed him. one member referred to him as a liar. he always has been this sort of outside the pocket, trying to take advantage of the moment, the political moment such as it is. now this is not that. he does not have the protection of a white house. he doesn't have the protection, at least i don't believe of the
courts he has protection for executive privilege and et cetera. he has to figure out how to cut his deal. i think whether it is with what he said in the book about trump and covid and trying to figure out how to massage the january 6th committee. he will find himself standing separate and apart from the steve bannons and others who are all-in on trump. this is not just about the politics of it but it is about the grift. i can go back on my podcast. i can say all kinds of crazy nonsense and have people stroke that check and give me their credit card number. it is the grift. meadows is not in that lane. that is one of the big differences here. >> yeah. grifters are going to grift. >> yeah. >> especially if they already went in deep on that politically
it is a political and vocational concern. in seriousness of having accountability to prevent what are measures by some to try to rig and to steal future elections, it seems important to draw a line with clark. he may have some valid arguments about what he knew at doj and we will report on those and respect those to fill in the blanks. but the notion that he can just defy any of this and get away with it is dangerous because it will mean there is no consequence or even rewards for being the inside guy, the inside person on the job for the coup. what does it tell you about what decision will potentially be facing the doj? bannon may have been easier. he defied it and he didn't work there. here they have to go after someone that was nominally one of them. >> yeah. i don't think they are going to look at it that way.
i think that when you stack it all up, the doj does not want to see itself and certainly none of its members in defiance of the rule of law. you know, the department of freaking justice, come on. seriously. subpoenas don't apply to you? you know, i don't think you are going to see this falling over themselves to give deference to clark's position or to not prosecute him or push up against him if that is what congress wants. the bigger and the more important thing is that the january 6th committee is as serious as it is and it is making it clear whats it intent is. they are strategically creatinga a pincer move that is pushing these people in directions you would not expect. based on what they know, the committee that these folks don't
know they know, they have to give a little bit. they can't hold the firm ground. that is especially true with the department of justice. they don't know what is out there that can come back to bite them down the road and don't want to be on the wrong side of this. >> all fair points and we got your views. you know i like to go out light when i can with big mike. now you really adjusted to the indoor wear for all of your serious appearances, will we ever see you on a suit again or fleece ride or die? >> well, look, i was out today doing a little work, i come rushing in to be with you bro. >> i like it. >> i thought about it and i would do one of these things but that is a little choked up for a brother. >> don't zip it on the count of
msnbc. everything is googleable. you look at michael steele over a 15-year span, a suit and tie every day. every day. now, you know, fleeces all the way down. we love you, michael. >> i appreciate that. you know if you were sitting where i am sitting you would be in a fleece too. you just in the studio, baby. >> you get the last word on that one. michael steele on many topics. ahead, we are going to bring you some news, a big announcement late today from stacey abrams. we have that for you. dr. oz wants to be senator oz, but already getting blowback for his record. we have got that story too. or his record weav he got that story too give y just ordinary eggs when they can enjoy the best? eggland's best. the only eggs with more fresh and delicious taste. plus, superior nutrition. because the way we care is anything but ordinary. ♪♪ like pulsing, electric shocks, sharp, stabbing pains,
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with our georgia going to move to the next and greatest chapter we will need leadership, and now it is time to get the job done. it is campaign season and we are already getting big political announcements from very big names. i have an update for you right now. first, the news we promised you and you may have inferred. one of the most famous rising democrats in if the party, stacey abrams is running for governor of georgia, a 2022 bid on the progress she made in a prior close race in a very red state. lost to the current governor in 2018 in a tight race and the
voting rights advocate say some voters were disenfranchised and wants to make a difference in national politics. mobilized georgia voters to flip both of those senate seats blue and we discussed that right before what proved to be the pivotal run-off elections. >> we should be focussing on the two senate races that will determine how effective we will be. two terrific men standing together to fight against two of the most corrupt politicians in the u.s. senate, two people that consistently profited off of the pandemic instead of serving the people. >> on the republican side, well, it is tv all over again. not a reality show star but a tv doctor announcing a bid to run for the senate in pennsylvania. the doctor turned talk show host has been a figure with some popularity on the far right
talking to donald trump about the results of the then president's physical and dr. oz got plenty of criticism for blurring the lines between his authority as a doctor and all kinds of health tips and other shenanigans on the show and grilled before congress. >> i am concerned you are melting medical advice, news and entertainment in a way that harms consumers. why would you say something is a miracle in the bottle. >> my job is to be a cheerleader for the audience. we often address weight loss because it affects about 2/3 of the population. >> if he wins he would be on the other side of those type of hearings. now dr. oz getting in the ring has already drawn response on late night, including colbert. >> apparently dr. oz will be running for senate in pennsylvania.
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how do you navigate that? on the business side, do you think there is anything more this administration can do about inflation? >> well, we have had definitely seen inflation in the cost to get great talent at our companies and also to get all the necessary goods into your restaurants as well as all the great food you serve. you mentioned we had to raise some prices to compensate for those increased costs. we have really stayed the course in operating our business. where we can we try to find ways to absorb the costs. in those places where we find we have to raise the prices we raise the prices. >> in your few, the government is doing enough or could specifically do more about inflation? >> i heard the fed chair saying they are going to move the tapering program faster. i think interest rates are going to need to move up in order to
control some of the inflation we see out there. >> there shouldn't be anything political about a burrito. but some in washington think there is. the republicans are trying to make hay out of some of the issues we are talking about, including prices. this is a top republican spokesperson saying democrats stimulus bill caused a labor shortage, now burrito lovers everywhere are footing the bill. that's not a rando, that's before the republican national committee. is that fair? do you try to stay out of that stuff in general? >> what we focus on is figuring out to get all the right ingredients, all the food with integrity that we provide to our customers. we are always willing to invest in our employees. in some cases that means higher wages. in other cases, it is benefits, degrees. then, obviously we figure out what the right value proposition we pass along to our customers.
>> your company went to $15 an hour. you have been above some of the other large companies that are similarly situated, particularly in fast-food. is that because of the market and you think it is valuable or is that in an team to be a leader, pay more than you think you have to? >> historically we have always been one of the best wage opportunities in the restaurant industry. we do believe it is worth being a leader in that space. obviously we want to make sure we attract the right people, retain these folks and we want them to grow with our company. obviously we have to have the right starting wage so we get the right person into our company. we want people who believe in the purpose, believe in our growth. then we give them the right culture and develop them. >> barack obama had what i call a non-troversy. >> did the president overreach while he was out at a chipotle
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this, give you the benefit of answering it. you are making over $30 million. there is an estimate you are making more than 2,000 times the median which i lay worker. what is your response to people who say even if some of the benefits are decent, that ratio feels off, that you are making too much? >> >> what we try to do is make sure we provide everybody a great wage to get started and then give them rewards for the work that they provide. you know? and obviously as you get further into your company you benefit from our stock appreciatiating. in my case i benefitted from the stock appreciating, and everybody in our organization gets the same opportunity to get benefit accordingly. >> your stock, you mentioned is for your labor, do you think it should be taxed as labor. >> all the income that i earn i pay the ordinary income tax.
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