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msnbc headquarters here in new york city. let's get smarter. in a few minutes we'll take you to the house where the rules committee starts the process of charging a trump era doj official with contempt of congress, despite his attorney saying he's pleading the fifth. supply chain strain. what president biden is doing to make sure the shelves stay stocked ahead of the holidays. we have to start with the omicron variant found here in the use. identified in a traveler who returned to california from abroad. >> the individual was a traveler who returned from south africa on november 22nd and tested positive on november 29th. the individual is self-quarantining and all close
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contacts have been contacted and all close contacts thus far have tested negative. >> that revelation coming ahead of president biden announcing his enhanced winter strategy to fight covid-19. in just a few hours from now, the president will outline those measures specifically. they're expected to include stricter testing for passengers arriing to the u.s. from overseas. and extending federal mask mandates. we have mike memoli, antonio hilton, jacob ward and dr. ashish jha. and ashley parker joins us. mr. memoli, what are we going to hear from the president? >> reporter: steph, obviously the emergence of the omicron variant has raised the sort of covid spechter higher on the agd but the plans the president is
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set to lay out today has been in the works for weeks. so what is the plan? it starts with more stringent testing on international travelers. you have to have a test within 24 hours of your departure for the u.s. in order to be admitted. there was some discussion of some testing after arrival but the white house did not go that route. there's now focus on keeping schools reopened. the white house is pushing more pop up family vaccination clinics to try to encourage families to get their young ones vaccinated and also reviewing policies around school closures if there are cases to do everything they can to keep the schools open. we're going to see a major effort around boosters. we have to talk about boosters dr. anthony fauci was in the briefing room yesterday saying you should not be waiting for a booster just because of the omicron variant. that it's likely even if there is a omicron specific booster down the road, the best thing
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you can do is get vaccinated. the thing most americans are going to see in terms of an immediate impact is around testing. the white house is going to be requiring all private ensurers to reimburse americans for the purpose of take home testing. testing is a strategy that gets lost as we talk about masks and vaccinations but the white house believes it's one that's critical. if they're able to purchase the take home tests and the white house is working to ramp up the availability of the tests, that could be a significant mover. and lastly we have to talk about global vaccinations. what are we talking about, a variant identified in south africa, there's been criticism the administration has not done enough to share vaccines with the world. the white house saying they're going to try to accelerate distributions of vaccinations to countries. >> doctor, how big of an impact with the president's winter strategy have? >> i think it can be really
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helpful. these are all the tools we have in our tool box, and we need to be using them all right now, irrespective of omicron. i think the one place that the administers hasn't done enough in the past, and i'm happy to see it now, is testing. the problem with rapid testing at home, for most americans it's still too expensive so the idea of making it cheaper is going to help a lot. >> what more can you tell us about the confirmed case in california? how did they find out? how sick is the person? >> reporter: at this point we know the traveler came back home here to san francisco on november 22nd and then began to feel symptoms on the 25th. and then on the 28th was tested and that test, of course, as you know, came back positive the next day. close contacts have all been traced and those people are all negative, no other passengers on that particular flight seemed to have tested positive and this
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patient is feeling pretty mild symptoms. he's in isolation, but not hospitalized. this person had the presence of mind to reach out to the san francisco department of public health and say, i was in south africa, i know the omicron variant was there. and it was here that the sequencing took place to make it possible to identify which strain it was. and that is how we know that omicron is here in the united states. >> doctor, should we be encouraged if this person who has it has mild symptoms? does that tell us something about the strain? >> not enough, unfortunately. the problem is, it's one person. they were vaccinated. we'd expect them to have mild disease. it doesn't tell us if other people are going to have severe disease from breakthrough infections and doesn't tell us what unvaccinated people will face with omicron when they get
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infected. >> what did we learn from delta that we should apply to omicron? >> delta is -- yeah, delta is such a bad variant. and it's funny because right now we're sort of all focused on omicron. delta is what's killing a thousand americans every day. what we have learned is boosters are essential. you cannot get away with just two shots if you're six months out. what we have learned is that it rips through populations of unvaccinated people very, very quickly. and i expect that omicron, if it ends up becoming dominant in the u.s. will do exactly the same thing. so a very up tough time to be unvaccinated in america. >> antonio you're at the airport, what is this winter strategy by the administration? is this going to change what it looks like when we go to the airport? >> reporter: travelers are going to see some changes, particularly on the testing front. what we're expecting to hear is that if you are going abroad any time soon, before you leave the
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country and come back to the united states, you have to get tested within one day of your departing flight back to the u.s. and on the back end, once you're here and arrive you have to get retested within three to five days. while that may not sound like a major change and lots of people get tested as they leave various countries right now, that one day window could be challenging for folks as anyone who's gone abroad knows. in many countries it's tough to find quality pcr tests when do you find them, sometimes it can cost over $100. so these new announcements, these new testing requirements are going to cause you to rethink your travel strategy but also maybe your budget. and on top of that, travelers are going to see changes in the airport themselves. already in new york, newark, san francisco and atlanta, the airports are ramping up their own screening efforts as they try to watch out for omicron. it's going to be interesting to see what kind of behavior
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changes we see with that. i've had a couple of conversations with travellers this morning some saying i've lived in fear the last few months i'm having fun. and one woman i met is headed to bangladesh to see family. she said last time i was there i had trouble finding a pcr test that could get me results quickly. >> the biden administration stuck between imposing new measures that are supported by public health experts and this massive widespread republican opposition to vaccine mandates, masks the whole thing. what are your sources inside the white house telling you about the challenges they face here? >> reporter: one thing you're seeing them focus on, and this is because they believe this will be the most likely to win a public persuasion campaign is those booster shots. they do believe that it will be easier to get americans who are already vaccinated to go out and get that third shot or in the
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case of j&j, that second shot, that booster, that it will be to convince unvaccinated americans to get vaccinated. you're hearing the president say this is not about lockdowns, shutdowns, some republicans might disagree, might be critical but he is saying, we're not going back to march of 2020. we're doing things that can help, that can be effective but that are in the margins that he is claiming will not sort of totally up end lives. and in some ways he's trying to make it a lot easier by making, for instance, the price of at home testing cheaper. so if you have some symptoms or have no symptoms but you're going to be in a big group, with family, friends, it doesn't feel like a burden to go out and buy a $25 test if you're more likely to take the easy steps to protect not just yourself but the rest of your community. >> and now the fact you're going
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to get reimbursed that's helpful. thank you all so much. you made us smarter on the most important topic of the day of our lives. we're minutes away from the house committee that's going to meet to hold jeffrey clark in contempt of congress. plus president biden lays out how he intends to make sure our store shelves are full this holiday season but what are the things going to cost on it? we'll break down what he said and the impact it could actually have. and the impact it could actually have
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moments from now, the house rules committee will meet on a resolution to hold a former trump era justice department official in contempt of congress. last night the committee investigating the january 6th attack voted unanimously to recommend that the full house find jeffrey clark in contempt for refusing to cooperate. joining us now to discuss, leann
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caldwell, also with us glen kirshner. what's going to happen in the next few minutes? >> reporter: the rules committee is meeting. they're preparing a referral for criminal contempt for the full house to vote on. i will say the house is not scheduled to take that vote. so what the rules committee is doing, they're kind of assembling the casserole putting it in the freezer having it ready for when they are going to take that vote. the reason is house is holding off is because last night, 18 minutes before the january 6th select committee met to vote on this contempt referral, clark's attorney sent a letter to the committee saying, wait a minute, we will appear before the committee, he will likely plead the fifth but he will come. so the committee says, you have to come on saturday. and so, they are giving clark a few more days to comply with the committee recommendation or
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demand that he has to appear before the committee. so that newly scheduled deposition is set for saturday. if he does not show up or if the committee is not satisfied with his answers or when he invokes the fifth, which he is expected to do, then they'll have to make a decision on if they are going to vote on that full contempt referral before the full house of representatives. >> great. somebody else gets held in contempt. does that get us any closer to getting the information to find out what in the world happened january 6th? >> i think it could. here's why. >> could? >> stay with me for one minute, steph. if he is referred for criminal prosecution, and he is prosecuted, then what the prosecutors at the dc u.s. attorney's office which will be taking point on this case will have to decide is can they negotiate a deal that involves
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him pleading guilty with cooperation. jeffrey clark may not want to go the way of steve bannon, because steve bannon is facing two counts of criminal contempt and they each carry a mandatory minimum prison sentence. clark may not want to go that way and he has sort of flinched by saying my bad, i know i played the fool two weeks ago when i appeared before the house select committee but i'm prepared to come in and invoke my fifth amendment right against self-incrimination. once he does that, there will be a series of consequences. >> what took so long, glen? leann mentioned it, invoking the fifth this late in the game, why wouldn't he have done it weeks ago? >> he should have. i think he was gambling on being able to go in with a lot of bluff and bluster and invoke play privileges and walk out unscathed. but he's a lawyer, he should have known better. this is his last play.
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it's his only legal play to go in and say i invoke the fifth. nobody wants to do that, it's a bad look. >> but to that point, glen, clark is a former department of justice employee. there's no question he didn't know how the rules work. what do you think about the way he has dealt with this committee? given what his career has been, who this guy is. >> he's dealt with this committee as if he's a criminal with something to hide. his own crimes and donald trump's crimes. here's one of the most important consequences, steph. if a high doj official goes in and pleads the fifth that will necessity the department of justice opening a robust investigation into one of its own and frankly that begins to move us towards special counsel territory. >> thank you both so much. coming up next, markets about to open after falling big time yesterday on the news of the first confirmed case of the
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developing on capitol hill, a group of those house democrats, including many at risk of losing re-election are urging party leaders to focus on inflation and supply chain issues ahead of the midterms. it comes after president biden spoke about the supply chain yesterday saying the actions he already took, saying they're working. >> if you watch the news recently you might think the shelves in all of our stores across the country are empty. but here's the deal. for the vast majority of the country that's not what's happening. >> let's bring in eugene daniels, austin cools, austin, ceos of walmart and mattel, i spoke to both in the last week, they said things are getting better, biden said the same thing. realistically, is this a crisis? the average consumer out there,
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they feel like it is. >> they feel like it is, but all these things come in with a lag. so what people's reflection in the polling and when you talk to them, now they're thinking about what they've seen in the last six weeks. if we actually go through christmas and there are fewer shortages than there normally are. if you wait until christmas eve like i do, there's always a bunch of stuff sold out. if it's a normal christmas, i do think that -- and you start to see the supply chain pressures ease, inflation slowing down, i think the whole narrative of how the economy is doing might look different four months from now than it does right now. >> the economy is the number one issue for voters, eugene, president biden wants this solved. behind the scenes is the white house optimistic? i know they're talking about build back better, they're
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addressing this. what are they saying inside? >> there are many camps in the white house who feel certain ways. there are a large group of people who feel optimistic that the things that the president has done, announced to fix inflation, work on the supply chain, opening the ports a little bit are going to work. the question is, how long is that going to take, as it was just said, you know, the polls, they're a snapshot in time and that's how people have been feeling. if that doesn't change at all, four months is a long time from now in politics, that doesn't change the way people feel in the white house, that's not going to change. and you have people in the white house who know for weeks and months at some points they were shoeing off folks that had inflation concerns, people talking about the supply chain issues. that has definitely changed. so now the president and jen psaki are trying to show a lot
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of optimism because they know a lot of this is how people feel about this. that's something the white house has struggled with, getting at how people are feeling about things as opposed to the real reality and they know it's out of biden's control. so they're trying to do everything they can on their end to say we have done our part now, everyone else do theirs. >> austin, you worked in the white house. if you were there now, how worried would you be about this new variant? >> i'd be pretty worried. i would tend to be paranoid about everything that could have a major negative impact and a big resurgence of the virus for sure would have a negative impact on the economy. if this things turns out to be like the alpha variant, which is to say it wasn't that deadly, it spread, it didn't make that big of an impact, i think the fundamentals are there that the economy could come booming back
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very much like it did at the beginning of 2021, when we looked like we were getting control of the virus. so i'm worried, but i'm also cautiously got some optimism. >> clearly democrats are worried they could lose the midterms over this, the economy. but are they actually doing anything to aggressively counter the gop messaging? because let me be clear, these supply chain issues are a problem, inflation is a problem, however we are in a very strong economic recovery and even with the stock market down, what a run it's had. >> no, i mean, when you look at how democrats kind of attack messaging, is sometimes it is kind of all over the place. they talk about themselves as a big tent party so they see it's hard for them to all get on the same message. it's hard to see how they're going to message their way out of this without getting into the nerd dy things that they're
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talking about, especially when the coverage, what's happening right now, how that's being shaped and changed when there is no build back better bill that's been signed. and you have importantly how people are feeling what's going on, and democrats at large haven't done a good job addressing those concerns. so you have these house democrats who are going to be working on these issues more and talking about, more importantly, how they should be framing all of these issues. because they know the republicans have a really good machine on messaging. they all get on board quickly and whether or not people agree with how that work out, it is effective. and in politics if you're not effective, none of it matters. that's something that democrats have struggled with. and they know history is not on their side when it comes to the midterms. >> as far as interest rates go,
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inflation goes, that's on the fed, austin. what do you think about the pivot we heard earlier this week from jay powell? >> i was quite surprised. i mean, it basically seemed like chairman powell, now that he's getting reappointed said, all that stuff i said about i'm going to hold out and not raise rates, maybe i am going to raise rates and let's start the taper sooner. i think all of the things that eugene said were spot on and accurate. that in a way the fed's timetable and the economic timetable are not on a political timetable. and that's the hardest part for the white house right now is that most of the economists view is, let's wait four or five months and see if this starts to ease, and it probably will. and if it does, everything will be fine. but if you're in the white house, you can't just sit and wait four or five months. you have to do something. >> politicians do not have the privilege of time.
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eugene, austin, thank you both so much. we'll leave it there. the markets set to open in the next 20 seconds. this comes after the dow closed 460 points down yesterday. and i want to bring in correspondent dom chu. dom, is this about the omicron variant? is this about jay powell? what's going on? >> to eugene and austin's point in the last few points this is all of these different things put together. what's curious about the market action right now is that this is very much about a market trying to figure out what exactly the impact is going to be. now austin mentioned that the white house is not on the same timetable and economists are not on the same timetable as many of these developments but traders are trying to price this in real time and that's why you're seeing the volatility. what you're seeing today is a move back towards perhaps a little bit of more tempered response to what's happening, given president biden's plans to announce some of those winter strategies for attacking covid and omicron. the issue is going to be whether
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or not the lack of lackdowns, the lack of economic slow down policies could help things get better for that reason stephanie in today's trade you're seeing a little bit of a rebound in some of the travel and leisure type names but at the same time traders are pricing in less growth ahead. and oil prices you see some of the real action happening. oil prices are lower again today, stephanie. >> dom chu, thank you so much. coming up a fourth student has died after that shooting at a michigan high school. what we're learning about the victims as we think about the families, as the suspect is now facing murder and terrorism charges and what he was doing right before the gun fire. thinking about those families today. ♪ ♪ well would you look at that? ♪ ♪ jerry, you've got to see this. seen it. trust me, after 15 walks gets a little old.
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ghislaine maxwell trial is under way getting started minutes ago. on wednesday one of the four women who say they were groomed for sex by maxwell took the stand. the woman identified as jane in the courtroom described how a chance encounter with maxwell led to years and years of sexual abuse. joining me to discuss stephanies gosk. i am devouring every inch of this. >> you have jane on the stand and the defense has to look at the four accusers and try to undermine their credibility. that's how they have to question them. jane told this riveting and frankly disturbing story about how she was at a summer camp for gifted kids and met jeffrey epstein and ghislaine maxwell. they introduced themselves they ended up taking her phone number and meeting up in palm beach where it began years of sexual abuse at the hands of jeffrey
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epstein and ghislaine maxwell. then she starts to get cross-examined. so the defense is looking at money and memory. they say she was in it for the money. that the story is about the money. and then they -- >> the story is about the money, how? meaning she got a settlement from them? >> exactly. she came forward only when she wanted money. she later testified, she'd give the money back if she could, this was about closure for her. but regardless of that, that's one prong of the defense. the defense was looking at her memory, this happened in the '90s. they looked at inconsistencies in things she told investigators and what she said on the stand. that includes when asked if ghislaine maxwell was there, she told investigators she couldn't remember. but on the stand she remembers very vividly that she was. the defense brought up conversations she had with her brother about that meeting at the camp. and she told her brother it was
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just jeffrey epstein that she met. according to, again according to the defense. and then on the stand she said very vividly it was both of them. we're also learning a bit about jeffrey epstein's life. and let's face it. that is part of the fascination in this trial. >> that's the fascination and the intrigue. does any of that get anyone anywhere closer to convicting ghislaine maxwell of a lot of wrong doing here? >> look, the defense said she wouldn't be there if it wrcht weren't for the fact that jeffrey epstein took his own life and she's a sit in for jeffrey epstein's crimes. that's their larger defense of her. as much separation as they can put between jeffrey epstein and ghislaine maxwell, that's a what they're going to try to do. but this testimony from jane who's using a pseudonym because she doesn't want to go public, she's an actress and has family, and she was a minor at the time, so she's allowed to use a
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pseudonym. this testimony was graphic, disturbing and vivid. >> and the jury heard all of it? >> the jury heard all of it. she's the first of four accusers. >> what happens today? >> we have a string -- we don't know, actually, the witnesses coming forward. we had her ex-boyfriend who testified. we had someone who worked at the school that she went to, that ghislaine maxwell and jeffrey epstein were benefactors of. this is going to be a long trial. they are going to get at the nitty-gritty of every part of the accusers' testimony. >> a long trial and i am here for it. thank you stephanie. let's turn to oxford, michigan where another american community is senselessly in mourning today after a fourth student, a teenager, has died after a school shooting and the suspect charged with murder and terrorism with many questions still left unanswered we're learning more about the lives lost.
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tate mere, a junior he'd be playing on his high school's varsity football team since he was a freshman. he was just 16 years old. madison baldwin she was getting ready to graduate after being accepted to several colleges with scholarships. today she's remembered as an artist who loved to draw, read and write, she was 17. hannah st. julian na, a freshman. she'd be playing front row in volleyball since middle school. she made her high school debut the night before she was killed. she was 14 years old. and then justin schilling. he was an employee of a local restaurant who described him as an exemplary employee and friend. he was 17 years old. megan fitzgerald is on the ground. megan, what is the latest? i don't know how a community recovers from something like
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this. >> reporter: steph, i know. that is the pain, the pain that you're feeling. that's the pain we're all feeling. certainly the people in this community. in fact, just moments ago, the flags here at oxford high school were lowered to half staff because this community is in mourning, mourning now after learning of a fourth victim, a 17-year-old boy. it's very difficult for this community. all while yesterday prosecutors are now -- that some -- he's now charged with murder. >> state your full name for us, please. >> ethan robert crembly. >> reporter: the suspected teen shooter appearing in court remotely with his parents. sheriff saying school officials were involved with him twice the day before the incident and the same morning when his parents
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came to the school for a face-to-face meeting. >> we had no information from the schools, but we have since learned the schools did have contact with the student. >> reporter: just three hours after that last meeting with his parents authorities say school security cameras show the gunman walking out of the bathroom and entering the hallway, the attack called premedicated by the oakland county prosecutor who says they found video and journal entries of him talking about killing students. >> it was premedicated. >> the 15-year-old sophomore pleading not guilty to a slew of charges. this morning, new details about what happened inside oxford high. police say he fired off more than 30 rounds. he had 18 bullets left when police stopped him minutes later. police say the murder weapon, a handgun was purchased days earlier by the suspect's father. four students were killed,
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17-year-old justin shrilling, 14-year-old hanna st. julian na. 17-year-old madison baldwin. >> they heard shots before she and other students stacked chairs against the doorway. you were preparing to die? >> yeah i thought he was coming in the classroom. >> reporter: she texted her dad, i love you, there's shooting. i love you. the trauma from that day just settling in. >> i know that i can't move on from this, because i know four kids won't be able to move on from this. >> reporter: crumbly is being held without bond. it's possible he could receive more charges and also both of his parents could be charged as well, although it's unclear what those charges could be. the prosecutor last night making it very clear that she wanted to charge the suspect and she wanted to make sure he remained in jail to try and protect this
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community also to try and seek justice, steph. >> megan fitzgerald. thank you so much. today we are thinking about those four families. moving on. in his first sitdown interview since the on set fatal shooting last month, alec baldwin spoke with abc news about what led up to the moment when cinematographer halyna hutchins was shot and killed. director joel souza was also wounded in the incident when a round was apparently fired by baldwin on the set of the movie "rust" back on october 21st. in the interview baldwin said he never actually pulled the trigger. >> it wasn't in the script for the trigger to be pulled. >> i didn't pull the trigger. >> you never pulled the trigger? >> no. i would never point a gun at anyone and pull a trigger. >> what do you think happened? how did a bullet get on that set? >> i have no idea. a bullet that wasn't supposed to
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be on the property. >> the santa fe's sheriff's department has not filed any charges and declined to discuss baldwin's interview. coming up, the supreme court seems likely to allow new restrictions on abortion. what you need to know ahead of the ruling next. what you need to know ahead of the ruling next. superpowers from a spider bite? i could use some help showing the world how liberty mutual customizes their car insurance so they only pay for what they need. (gasps) ♪ did it work? only pay for what you need ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ spider-man no way home in theaters december 17th ok everyone, our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy. whoo hoo! ensure, with 27 vitamins and minerals, now introducing ensure complete! with 30 grams of protein. ♪ ♪ 'tis the season to break tradition in a cadillac.
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this morning the battle over abortion rights is growing more urgent after the supreme court signalled it might uphold mississippi law banning most abortions after 15 weeks it comes after 90 minutes of oral arguments with justices at odds over the law itself and what changing it could mean for the court itself. >> will this institution survive the stench that this creates in the public perception that the constitution and its reading are just political acts? >> the most consequential cases in this court's history. there's a string of them. where the cases overruled precedent. >> joining us now nbc justice correspondent pete williams and melissa murray.
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pete bring us up to speed, where does this stand now? what can we expect next? >> don't expect a decision for a long time here. in a case this consequential that could overturn precedence could take months we'll get it e june or early july and what is going on behind the scenes the justice also probably vote tomorrow, take an initial vote, assign the majority and minority opinions and we'll see whether what we saw yesterday is what the decision eventually comes out there be. it's not always possible to know what the supreme court's going to do based solely on the questions. sometimes things can shift around. that was true dramatically with the first time the court heard obamacare. it looked like the argument would be struck down and in the end it wasn't. we'll see whether the justices do what we think they're going to do. it seemed clear at the very least they're going to uphold this mississippi law and say that a state can ban abortion
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after 15 weeks. >> melissa, what does that mean from a legal standpoint? >> so if the court does choose to overrule roe versus wade or i hesitate a minimalist approach, it would essentially discard almost 50 years' worth of precedent and remove lie ability as a salient marker in the court's abortion jurisprudence and free the states to impose ever more restrictive abortion laws. if roe is overturned entirely, there are around 24 to 25 states in the union that already have trigger laws on the books that will make abortion a criminal act in those jurisdictions if roe is overturned. almost overnight if that happens we'd see in the south and the midwest go to being abortion free zones and individuals in those states would have to travel to other jurisdictions where there are more hospitable abortion laws in order to seek
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abortion care. >> pull the map up again. all of the red states could be abortion-free zones? >> that's right, stephanie. that's a significant coverage throughout the country. basically make abortion available only along the coast with the vast middle of the country virtually abortion free zones. >> underscores the point wealthy people will only be able to get abortions. >> we realize and we understand that many of us have had these unplanned pregnancy complications that have come up in our life, and these are real problems that need to be addressed, but we never believe that violence, that violently ending the life of another human being is a way to solve poverty or abuse or neglect. >> melissa, i know you disagree, but from a legal perspective, do you think that argument could
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resonate with the justices? >> well it certainly seemed to resonate with at least one justice and perhaps the justice that was most closely watched yesterday, that of course is amy coney barrett, the newest justice. she's also the only member of the court who is the mother of school-aged children and she is a mother seven times over, and also the mother of two adopted children, and she sort of leaned into that identity yesterday asking julie rickleman, the lawyer for the abortion clinics whether the advent of infant safe haven laws which allow parents to relinquish a newborn at a designated site like a hospital or a firehouse and free that child for adoption, whether the fact of those laws made it easier for women to avoid the burdens of parenthood and the impositions on their professional and educational ambitions, and she seemed to suggest that the fact of pregnancy itself was less of a burden so long as these other alternatives for avoiding parenthood existed. if we were looking for some
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indication from her of where she stood on abortion, she gave us a very clear vision that she is not persuaded by this argument that women face untold burdens through the process of pregnancy and then on in terms of the economic and physical burdens of parenthood. >> susan, excuse me, pete, republican senator susan collins said this won't happen, this won't happen, and here it is happening. now she wants to codify roe versus wade. she's talking about it with other senators. what does that even mean? >> it means the senate or the congress would pass a law saying that abortion has to be allowed by states, and that could be done even if the supreme court overturns roe v. wade. remember overturning roe is much of v. wade would free up states to outlaw abortion if they choose but if congress passes a law saying no, you must allow abortion under certain circumstances, who knows what that standard would be, congress could do that.
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it has before listen a heavy week. in all of this chaos and sadness i want to bring in some inspiration, and introduce you to three of our heroes of the day, overcame major obstacles and now inspirations honored at robinhood new york's 2021 heroes, robinhood the largest poverty foundation in new york. serving an 18-year sentence in prison derek dedicated himself
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to education and later earning several degrees, five of them while in prison. he launched his own group to reform the criminal justice system and mentors others who were incarcerated. marcus pass grew up in a struggling brooklyn neighborhood and found a love for helping underserved kids and a leading voice in partnership for children working 24/7 so families like his can succeed. a homeless mother facing domestic violence while living in a shelter with her newborn, now enrolled in a specialized education program working in technology. today she's a budding success, what a fantastic story. i hope we're all inspired by those heroes. that wraps us this hour. i'm stephanie ruehl. jose diaz-balart picks up breaking coverage right now. >> good morning, it's 10:00 a.m.
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