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christmas. >> john, thank you, have a good weekend. the government stayed open. that's a win. but, there are far fiercer fight ahead later this month on capitol hill, we'll be covering it each and everyday for you. thank you for getting up way too early with us, have a wonderful weekend everybody, "morning joe" starts right now. >> it's the 99th annual national tree lighting at the white house. the world's biggest performances by the pennsylvania state widow choir. and l.l. cool j. the 99th annual christmas tree
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lighting ceremony only on cbs, following an all new episode of "bull" which is still on. >> oh, that's a good thing there. >> good morning, welcome to "morning joe," it's friday, this has felt a long week. >> agree, right? >> with us here in washington, we have our contributor and best selling author, katty kay. michael steel is with us. white house's senator for politico sam stein and correspondent garrett haake is with us here. we'll get garrett's reporting on the government shutdown after a small group of republicans looked to delay matters. speaker nancy pelosi accused them to looking to shutdown the government and shutdown science,
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we'll explain that and talk about it with garrett. we have president biden's new plan to keep the country safe against covid heading into the winter months as the new variant begins to spread across the u.s. first, willie, a remarkable interview last night with alec baldwin's first sit down since the deadly shooting on the set of his movie, "rust," tell us about it. >> we saw some clips a couple of days ago and we talked about it yesterday morning what did it mean in that tease when he said "i didn't pull the trigger." we found out with george stephanopoulos, his interview. baldwin teared a couple of times. cinematographer killed. here is what baldwin had to say
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last night about that shooting. >> i was holding the gun where she told me holding it which ended up aiming right below her armpit. it was an accidental shot and ended up being in the film. in the scene i am going to cock the gun. do you want to see that? i take the gun and i start -- i am not going to pull the trigger. can you see that? can you see that? she says and i let go of the hand and the gun goes off. i let go. >> at the moment. >> that was the moment the gun went off. >> it was not in the script for the trigger you pulled? >> i didn't pull the trigger. >> no, no, no, i would never
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pull the trigger at begin. >> the particulars of what happened, how well a piece of live ammunition ended up on this property was not supposed to be on the property, it was not supposed to be in the truck or the kit, it was not supposed to be in somebody's pack. a live round is not supposed to be anywhere on the set. >> how did a real bullet get there? >> that's what i am saying, that's for a criminal investigation to solve. i have no idea. that's not for me to say. as far as i am concerned, someone put, the investigation is going to find. someone put a live bullet in a gun, a bullet that was not supposed to be on the property. >> that was a small piece of the interview last night. joining us now, former prosecutor charles comen, we'll talk about soft the questions how do you say you didn't pull the trigger.
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alec baldwin says he does not expect to be brought up any charges and this is not intentional. what did you see last night from a legal point of view? >> well, it's important to understand that there are two different conversations. there is the criminal conversation and the civil conversation, i am inclined as a former prosecutor to agree with alec baldwin that he'll see criminal charges result in the situation. you do not have intent so you have to rely on statutes that centers on negligence or recklessness, given the circumstances, i don't know if you are going to make out either. as far as that's concerned, it seems like it's okay. with respect to civil lawsuit that are pending, it's natural that baldwin is going to be named. he's going to be connected to the assurance. that's why he's apart of this. ultimately what this is going to
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come down to is a question of two things, foreseeability. was it foreseeable that the action that alec baldwin took or anyone else on that set took would result in the death of another human being. that's number one. number two, the second question that the civil case is going to be pivotal on is going to be in the standard care of industry. based on their responsibilities of what they are charged to do, did they neglect the standard of care that they are taken. >> baldwin responded to the criticism that he should never pointed the gun in helena's direction. >> i got countless of people online saying you are idiot, you never point a gun at someone. well, unless you are instructed that the gun is empathy.
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she and i thought it was empty and it was not. that's not her responsibility, that's not my responsibility, who's responsibility remains to be seen? >> you are never supposed to point a gun on anyone in a set no matter what, unless the person of cinematographer who's directing me to point the gun at her camera angle. that's exactly what happened. >> charles, i will go back to you. is that in question? >> that's what we are talking about, the standard of care, is this the responsibility of the armor or the assistant producer who handed baldwin the gun. that's why you are going to see multiple defendants named in this civil lawsuit and the strategy is going to be from a plaintiff's perspective,
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everyone is responsible, you guys figure out who make the biggest errors. we are seeing a lot of the blame shifting where baldwin is already saying i was doing what i was instructed to. the question is what you did in terms of what you were instructed to do reasonably in line of what you should be doing. >> i know there are a lot of different questions, some surrounding the supplier of the ammo, give me a sense of where this stands on how many levels and this could be moving on. along with that, do you think it was helpful or appropriate for alec to do an interview like this? >> well, to your first question, mika, i do think there are multiple levels of liability that people will be looking to explore on the civil front. i think you talk about the bullet suppliers and the manufacture of the gun
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understanding was an an teak of the situation. as far as baldwin and what he did with the interview, i don't know if he did himself any favors by doing that. given there is an investigation still pending. he has to make sure now his story is out, he said what says that he does not deviate from it one bit. i don't know if he should have done that in the process. >> baldwin was asked whether he blames himself in the shooting and here is his answer? >> do you feel guilt? >> no, no, i feel that someone is responsible for what happened and i can't say who that is but i know it's not me. honest to god if i felt i was
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responsible, i may have killed myself if i thought i was responsible. i don't say it lightly. >> again, charles, i will keep it in the legal realm. i am highly uncomfortable with this. it seems highly brutal to watch on a number of levels. i can imagine his family is pounded by the press and i can understand the need to set the record straight when the spirit or the media out there in google land is coming after you and they have a narrative that does not reflect your own personal experience, i can understand how that must be frustrating but i don't understand why put this all out there now given the level of severity and many different angles legally that this is under investigation and finally not for you to comment on charles but just the music and the producing of it which is not alec baldwin's fault, is just so cringed-worthy, a more
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who's dead and a woman lost her life and it's still investigation and it happened right in front of alec baldwin in some way connected to this movie and they put this dramatic music as of almost to make sure they get a lot of viewers and they play up the drama or i don't know, i am so uncomfortable. it moved into a realm of extreme discomfort to watch from my perspective, charles, to answer the question i mean -- what exactly is he doing to help himself? is he trying to set the record straight? could that be the ultimate goal here? >> i do think he's recognizing his voice and platform has a significant amount of power, he's trying to leverage in the court of public opinion. as you said, and i totally agree with you. there is a time of the place to
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tell your story is called trial and depositions and not on national interview with george stephanopoulos. >> right, judges and jurors, do they like people being able to use the power of their platform? i think it's a turn-off in the court of law. >> as this case goes forward, it will be interesting to see how much of that dial wiggles in ho will come back and bite alec baldwin. that's why you do not want your client to be in the press this early of something that can be inconsistent that can be used against you that link you or put you on the hook and ultimately establish liability. the best thing is be quiet, you have attorneys, let them speak for you.
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>> yeah. >> charles comen, thank you very much for your insights. we'll speak with the firearm expert and a stunt coordinator for his thoughts on baldwin's new comments that just came out on abc last night. so, with just one day to spare, congress passed a short term spending bill last night that avoids a government shutdown. the bill now heads to the president's desk. the legislation keeps the government opened until mid february. adam kinzinger joined all democrats to pass the funding bill in the house. in the senate, the vote was bipartisan with 69 senators including minority leader mitch mcconnell voting to pass the continuing resolution. #. >> the government will stay open, i thank the members of this chamber for walking us back from the brink of avoidable
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needless and costly shutdown. >> congress did not reach the agreement without some obstacles. republicans in the house and the senate made an effort to delay passage of the spending bill over objections to the biden administration, covid-19 vaccination mandates for a larger company. here is what nancy pelosi had to say about those attempts. >> we'll have responsibility to make sure the government functions. i don't think republicans in the senate want to shutdown the government. i don't know if they have the votes to do so. it's yet again a double, a double sense of irresponsibility, first of all, they shutdown government and shutdown science. >> so garrett, what was happening there? we are trying to shutdown science. explain for viewers what
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republicans are trying to do. how long is the government open now? >> the next deadline is mid to late february. this is actually a strategic thing here. they're still funding the government at trump administration levels every time they do one of these crs, they kicked the can further down the road and hope it gets in the control house and you get a budget that looks a lot like what they want. what we saw yesterday was a small group of mostly senate republicans who had the power but cheered on by that house freedom caucus who wanted to push for a vote to defund president biden's vaccines and testing mandates for businesses. they had moral support from others in the republican caucus, most knew this was the wrong hostage to take, it was bad politically. it turned into a fight that
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lasted all day long yesterday. >> michael steele. >> yeah, it's kind of you know washington drama right before christmas and everybody. let's go to the break. >> it's a proud tradition. >> we'll look over and we are going to go okay, latte anybody? >> what's the end game here? you got to come back and do this in february. >> is that better timing? >> everybody is going to be in the primary and stuff. where do republicans think this ultimately leads them in terms of the governing aspect of hey, you got to address, you still have to pay the piper come february? >> absolutely. this is mitch mcconnell's line all week. this is not something we are shutting the government down over. there is a whole mechanism that's going to come up next where republicans can register their disapproval. as we saw in the trump
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administration, the whole point is to look like you are fighting. this is mike lee and new republican senator from kansas who wanted to be out there, showing they were fighting on this issue that they feel like it's important to their voters and knowing full well they did not have the vote. what broke us down last night was democrats did a head count and they realized some republicans did not have jet fumes. they were short a couple of republican senators last night. even if joe manchin decided to cross over, they did not have the votes. democrats did the math, okay, you want a 50-vote threshold, let's do it. you don't have 50 people in washington. >> we do this regularly in the country. is there any chance we can get to the position where the country is at more healthy and
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does not do this. i am bored of this. anyway america can grow up and do this better? >> you know the answer to that. >> no, the answer is no. >> no? >> bad time, thank you. >> this is just the way politics are. >> we all knew the outcome. the only thing that was interesting was what it was for next year when republicans will control both chambers of congress then they'll be able to make these types of demands or joe biden will have to sit there and say no, i am going to veto this. that's when we'll have prolong shutdown. there is several in the trump's
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era and obama's era. how much the white house is willing to fight for things to do vaccination. >> also, scientifically, vaccine mandates seem to work. willie, jump in. >> manchin says he's going to vote with republicans against the vaccine mandates for large businesses that's the center piece of joe biden and the white house's effort to get out covid-19. if manchin votes republicans there is no mandate on private businesses. >> well, look it will get through the senate but it won't get through the house and again even if it had then you see joe biden's veto pen comes out. this is all a political exercise at the end of the day. chance for republicans and joe manchin to express with their vote to a vaccine mandate for a
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business that's a, it's not in effect right now because of the federal court. so it's a political exercise that took us to the brink or near to it, although passing the government funding where the data is fair is pretty good for congress. >> we can celebrate, it's friday and they did that. nbc news senior capitol hill correspondent, garrett haake, thank you so much. the omicron variant has been detected in at least five states. we'll talk to jen psaki about the president's new winter action plan. plus, the teenager opening fire in his michigan school already faing charges. ahead, a federal judge accusing former president trump
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deadly shooting at a michigan high school this week, the prosecutor is weighing charges against the parents. >> if you own a weapon and you knowingly allow someone to have free access to it who you have reason to believe may use it to injure somebody that is willful and it's gross negligence and there are a lot of criminal consequences for that. >> the 15-year-old suspect is accused of killing four of his
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classmates at oxford high school on tuesday injuring seven others including a teacher. local officials say the teenager used a semiautomatic handgun which his father purchased on black friday. in addition to the four counts of murder and a long list of other charges, the suspect faced one count of terrorism causing deaths. the sheriff says copy cat threats have forced at least 60 other schools in michigan to close. >> i don't know what it's in people's minds to think after a real tragedy that makes sense to make threats. if you are making threats, we are going to find you. it's ridiculous you are in flaming the fears and passion parents and teachers and community in the midst of a real
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tragedy. none has been deemed credible. mika, there are thousands of kids in the state of michigan who can't go to school because of these threats. none of them are direct or clear or they're not pursuing it directly now. given what happened at oakland at oxford high school, they got to shutdown the school to check it out. >> now to this, beverly hill police arrested a 29-year-old man in the shooting death of jacqueline avant. police say arial manor was arrested after leaving avant's home. investigators say they are not sure if the home was targeted. a motive has not determined.
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what the new york times describes the organization attempt to deflect criticism of its light touch approach of china only months before the winter game in beijing. the ioc statement says, we share the same concern as many other people of the well being and the safety of peng shuai, this was why yesterday the ioc team held another call with her, we offered support. we stayed on regular touch and already agreed on a personal meeting in january. an earlier call, the ioc did not release a video or transcript of the call or nor it say how wednesday's call was arranged and who took part in it. republican senator john kennedy is not supporting
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president biden's nomination dale ho, calling him too angry to be a judge. at a senate hearing kennedy questioned ho on tweets aimed 59 republican lawmaker. ho expressed his tone on social media i crossed the line from time to time. in closing, kennedy says "i think you are an angry man and i have great concerns of voting for you. we don't need federal judges who are angry, we need federal judges who are fair and can see both points of view." michael steele, i am going to take that and i am going to put it right over here and set a table for you and you can handle it. >> it's so cute.
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>> the turn around with some of these guys. you got joe biden trying to put judges on benches. they're so high and mighty, did senator kennedy take a look at some of the nomination that is donald trump put before? there were people he voted for who never appeared in a courtroom. i will take a little anger over stupid any day. >> the political debate. do you remember how angry and intense the whole country was? >> was kavanaugh angry enough for you? i don't understand. and brett kavanaugh threw a
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rage, he really got angry. now she's on foot. >> he did throw a fit, crying and talking about - >> you suggesting that sometimes politicians can get away with it? >> no, i would never. can i jump in on this school shooting thing? >> yeah. >> we went through a whole cycle where we are talking about school closures related to the pandemic, i just would like the same people who cared about school closures because of the pandemic, because of the public pandemic and health pandemic of school shootings and a lot of kids are not going to school because of this. that's horrible. >> teachers did everything right. the parents was summoned to a meeting because teachers were concerned of the behavior of this kid. the teacher left voice mail messages and e-mail messages with the parents in the days
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leading up to the shooting. they followed every protective rule and still this kid got away. >> the point is do they have to follow of these steps or the question is access to firearm. you have to deal with the firearm. both of those points go to the idea of what the prosecutors are now looking at. >> i think that's very interesting. >> in line for charges and if they are successful in this effort, i think you are going to see a new approach in dealing with some of this issue. >> willie, i think when you hold the parents, the father if i am correct bought the gun the previous friday and brought it home and ended up in the hands of his son days later. >> there are questions of gun safety and that's why you heard the prosecutor talking about
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possible charges against the parents. to sam's point this is becoming common place. the video from inside the classroom is so chilling for r a number of reasons because the kids were so calm because they felt like this was something that may happen in their lives and they knew what to do, the shooter was the one at the door claiming it was the police officer and they did not like the tone of his voice and they looked at each other and okay, it's time to go. they all jumped out the window and ran to safety. the fact that kids know how to do those things and know by instinct how to behave in a school shooting is -- i am glad they do but it's such an indictment on the culture. we have to say the young man's name, 16-year-old running back on the football team who are now learning ran at the shooter who's trying to disarm him, he
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was killed for his effort. he may have stopped a lot of kids dying that die. >> this video is crushing. it's heartbreaking because the kids are, they're processing the fact that there is a shooter at school. the sheriff when he had the news conference pointed out that video and clarified it was a local, it was an officer at the door and the officer was trying to talk to the kids in a way that would be calming but the kids is so used to the concept of a shooter in their school sort of second guessing the tone of the person at the door and then made the decision to not open the door and make their way out of the window and run out in the bitter cold air away from the school because they were afraid the person at the door is going to kill them. this is where we are. i think republicans need to
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think about that with their value of life position that they hold too so. there is no value of life if you don't attack at this at every angle. weekly school shootings across the country. it's an epidemic, look up the definition, that's where we are. yet they turn away and talk about other things and talk about how our values and rights are being violated because they're being asked to wear a mask. the whole thing is ridiculous. it would be great if we can come together on this one issue. coming up, frantic diplomatic efforts are underway to keep russia from invading ukraine. we'll have the latest warning from the u.s. secretary of state. plus, germany launched a nationwide lockdown of covid, this one is only for the
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. welcome back to "morning joe," 6:40 in the morning with a beautiful sun rise. tensions are escalating between the united states and russia as american officials are increasingly concerned, moscow could invade ukraine. anthony blinken is trying to head off that conflict. andrea mitchell is traveling with blinken and has the latest. >> reporter: tony blinken
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meeting with sergei lavrov, tens of thousands of troops on ukraine's border. blinken says vladimir putin is invading ukraine. >> it's now on russia to deescalate the current tension, returning forces to normal peacetime positions and reframing from further intimidations. the u.s. wants russia to back off the border and return to a 2015 cease-fire agreement they accused russia of violating. russia demands nato stops expanding to russia, accepting ukraine is a new member. an idea that blinken calls laughable. so far the two sides are talking past each other, blinken says it's likely president biden and
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putin will hold a virtual meeting in the coming days looking for a day out of the crisis. andrea mitchell is reporting for us there. >> joining us now is michael weiss. what's putin is up to and what's his objective and how strong are the words of the united states here? >> nobody know what is putin's objective is. he has not made a decision of what he wants to do. what does the united states and the european union expect to do. is he really serious? is he going to invade? my reporting yesterday i spoke to official, he painted three different scenarios that the
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ukrainians believe it's likely. a so-called 3.0 where the people in occupied don boss. it's important to remember in the last several years the russians handed out 620,000 russian passports to citizens of the eastern territory. that's a defensive action mounted in their view. the second scenario, denying access to the ukrainian ports. the most forbidding is a full on invasion. this would be designed of the intelligence. the cost would be enormously high for russia. >> michael, it's katty kay here
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in washington. back in april putin did send tanks to the border and the result is he got the summit meeting he wanted with joe biden which that seemed to go pretty well. you can look at that that this is maybe a faint in order to get attention. there has been some indication that putin is worried that nato is sending some kind of a signal to ukrainian leadership, they are opening possibly doors to ukrainian membership of nato that's more training and more weapons going in at the moment. putin feels he's up against a war and if he does not do something now, next thing he knows there will be nato basis fully in ukraine. is that where we may be? is that why we are looking at one of the scenarios we just laid out. putin himself certainly believe that's the case.
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but it's important to remember one of the results of putin's invasion in 2014 was he really, the prospect of joining nato was minuscule and now it's very high. president zelensky says this is what he wants. this is simply not a contingency that's going to happen in the real future. the danger here and this is something we can speculate is that putin is being fed bad intelligence by a tighten circle. the kremlin is a black box, it's difficult to get any sense of what people are thinking, the defense minister is telling us this is what we are noticing alliance is creeping into our backyard. he could very well panic and
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inside that's something i simply can't abide by. >> the daily beast, michael wiess, thank you so much. as the omicron variant is putting the world on alert, germany is taking strong measures to contain the spread of covid-19. angela merkel announced a nationwide lockdown for unvaccinated people yesterday after a meeting with federal and state leaders. under the tighten restrictions, people who are not vaccinated will be banned from non-essential shops and restaurants and events. the unvaccinated will have access to businesses such as super markets and pharmacies. germany battle as surge in cases. chancellor merkel says the steps are necessary to address concerns that hospitals could be
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come over loaded with covid patients again. officials plan to make vaccinations mandatory in the coming months. katty, if you are leader in charge and you believer science. do you look at how the science has played out around the world and how it's played out for the unvaccinated, i don't see any other options here? >> it's super interesting because you have all these central european countries and case rates are surging. you look at france, italy and spain and case rates are low. vaccination rates are high. you got austria back in national lockdown and you got greece mandating vaccines for people and germany following suit effectively mandating. you have to get vaccinated
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because they try to persuade people in other ways of this vaccination skepticism in central europe that lead us have to do it. the part that's plummeting to me at this point is i understand the fear early on, i do. i personally got vaccinated as soon as i could but i understood the fears among some that may have been even driven by conspiracy theories on facebook or misinformation but just in general of fear. now? we are seeing people living and thriving and surviving covid even if they get a breakthrough because they are vaccinated. the science has played out before our eyes and yet these people at least here in the united states are still stuck on facebook holding tightly onto misinformation in order to not make themselves safe and not to keep themselves from dying of covid. >> it's partial because of misinformation. i don't want to under state
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that. a lot of people are confused even though now there is plenty of data that suggests it's completely safe and important to get vaccinated. vaccinations have become a token of political. to go unvaccinated is to prove you are conservative. >> that's another way to push around misinformation. >> i think that's true. >> the degree is truly scary. i thought about this -- what if trump were in office right now and pushing vaxers, would we be in a better place? >> i think so. it goes to the core of this thing, if you go back to february of 2020, the administration comes out with a different narrative than the one that they did. the country would be in a different place and what we have to appreciate right now is that these policies however they seem
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i can't say who that is but it's not me. if i felt i was responsible, i may have killed myself if i thought i was responsible. i don't say that lightly.
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>> alec baldwin in his first sit down interview since the deadly shooting on the set of the movie "rust," some big questions remained. we'll speak with a firearm expert about that. welcome back with "morning joe," it's friday the 3rd, joining us eugene robinson, peter baker and congressional reporter politico, nicholas wu. first, a federal judge this week said former president trump and others who spoke at the rally on january 6th should be held
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accountable at the attack at the u.s. capitol. she did not name trump. she referred to his remarks when she describes the goal of those leading the rally. those efforts quote "deliberately stoked the flames of fear and discontent and explicitly encouraged to go to the capitol to fight for one reason only to make sure the certification of the election didn't not happen. judge amy berman jackson is the second judge that faults trump on the attack of the capitol. the rioters should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. mark schwartz made the comment while talking to podcast host david axelrod. >> i don't believe the president would want physical harm.
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it's hard to hear those people are just expressing their first amendment rights or those people of the in-house pay patriots. when we condemn the black lives matter protest and say those people who destroy business should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, we have to be consistent. these people were destroying the capitol and threaten harm to our elected leaders. those people were thugs and certainly they should be prosecuted. >> peter baker, we have people around former president trump refusing to testify and yet there have been videos of interrogations and questioning of people who were actually there attacking the capitol and breaking down in tears saying i thought i was doing something for the country and i thought i was helping president trump and i thought i was doing something
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to help. we have our own eyes. these people deserve to face justice and at the same time they were led by and these are my words, they were pushed along, how many different angles does this need to be proven out? >> there is a lot of speech at the rally that day and some people say, some already at the capitol. the point is the 60 or 70 days led toup the speech, the president of the united states basically saying the democratic election just been held was not legitimate, it was stolen and obviously we know it's not true. there is no evidence of that
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whatsoever. it was a word that we should not use on television. so the ground was set long before january 6th for the idea that this was a stolen election and people had to do something about it. whatever he said was the last part of weeks -- >> do something about it part, the whole stop the steal rally, enough of people to washington to stop the steal. >> it would be wild. >> that does not imply. it sends action. >> this was a coordinated event to do something. some of these people i don't think, the people who are facing jail time right now are not the people who master minded this.
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>> i wonder where accountability, where the rubber meets the road with this, what will happen that'll bring this back to where it should be and where this was wrong and was an attack in our capitol. it was an assault on our democracy and real consequences happen. >> the challenge for the investigative committee was to connect the dots between what happened and premeditation and intent. >> he's still doing it and we know he told them to meet outside the white house.
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>> intent and premeditation, what the justice department will look at. the judge challenging election results to pay. more than $100,000 in the state of michigan. the group includes sidney powell who said in 2020 interviews the cases would unleash the mythical creature cracking, remember this? the hefty fee was inappropriate sanctions and needed to deter plaintiffs' counsel and others
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from engaing similar misconduct in the future. they have been soliciting donations from members of the public like the one they brought in michigan. two women who were georgia's election workers in 2020 filed a defamation lawsuits against the far-right conspiracy website. the suit alleges the site and its owner knowingly publish all stories about workers that led to an unwaivering dangerous campaign of harassment that devastated their personal and professional representations and forced them to change their phone number to lead their online accounts and fear for their physical safety. the harassment started after gateway published a story that identify the workers and drew their inspiration from a misleading video presented by a voluntary trump campaign
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attorney that falsely shows several poll workers actively stuffing ballots from suitcases hidden under a table. the site continue to post stories about freedman. the harassment got so bad that at one point freedman says she had to leave her home for two months along with the advice of the fbi. let's turn to barbara mcquade. words have consequences and while it may be a game to some people and conspiracy websites and politicians, it affected the lives of people who are targeted and now we may see legal consequences for it. >> yeah, it's really important that people being held accountable. one of the main purposes of legal accountability in our criminal and civil justice system is deterrence, not only
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making people whole, to defend this lawsuit that was filed by trump's lawyers but to deter all people who are out there watching the copy cats, those who may be incline to mountain these frivolous challenges. the point is people are listening and this has a frivolous effect on all of them as well. nicholas wu, your thoughts in terms of the process here trying to investigating this and climbing up on people with executive privilege. >> my colleagues and i reported yesterday one thing that they have taken is the book coming next week by former white house chief of staff mark meadows and his discussions with former president trump around january 6th, some of these committee investigators we have talked to see it, his discussion could
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constitute a waiver of executive privilege, as chairman thompson told me and other reporters yesterday this is something that they're planning to ask him next week. he talks about trump's mind on january 6th and insights into planning this. despite some of these, they seen around executive privilege, this could be ways for them to get around it. >> i am going to take a short turn, you mentioned mark meadows, your thoughts on president trump, he was walking around with covid, showed up at the debate with covid, did all these events with covid and put his family in jeopardy and people around him. here is my question if it's one and more like a launch, people around the president who were too weak, too weak to -- this is the one area where i think unequivocally you should have
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done the right thing and you didn't. there were a lot of people when you wonder, dr. burke, you know she because she was doing the best she could, dr. birx, this is not one of moments you should say the man has a deadly virus. >> meadows knew it. >> he does not seem to have a problem with it. his personal physician, the white house's physicians, the physicians who knew that he tested positive for covid, does he not have a responsibility,
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perhaps legal responsibility certainly, it's unimaginable. donald trump only wanted to be around people who said yes and who never said no to him. >> i use this word with you, mika, the other day, this was potentially murders. we have to go back in time. we are all vaccinated now. this was before there was a vaccine and any good treatments. this was when it was really, really scary to be in proximity to somebody who had the virus. if you caught that virus, who knew, you could not be one of those. family was sitting there, not just trump, melania got covid too and she was sitting there without her mask. this was incredibly dangerous. >> he later got another test it was negative so they rationalize the first one.
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when was your last test, did you test positive? his first positive test was the one on thursday, days later, that was not true. the president of the united states himself said well, maybe i got it from the gold star families. >> oh my god. >> they did not disclose it. >> i really think this is the one question like why didn't you stand up and say no. >> who knew. >> anyone who knew and didn't stand up. this is where i draw the line, i could not support a person spreading a deadly virus at the top level of the u.s. government or anywhere on this earth, i have to step up and say no. there are people around him who knew and these people -- there is a lot of things i can maybe never understand about why they didn't walk out the door or step up to say no to something.
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this one, this is just flat out wrong. you were endangering the lives of many people because you did not step up. >> and obligation to pass that debate, he didn't do it. >> who was supposed to make sure that test to happen? >> he was not a physician in the sense on trump's payroll. he was the officer of the united states military. >> people in recent weeks who said to me that they thought maybe trump had covid and now i am going back to that conversation, did you know trump had covid and is that why you started to say it. how many people in the debate room actually knew already?
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>> it speaks to the cult-like mentality instead of really you know sense of duty, honor and patriotism to serve as president or serve as chief of staff in the office of the president but it really is when you can get people to reframe from revealing that you are walking around breating deadly virus that has killed hundreds of thousands of americans. it has unique ways of people attacking and people who did not get vaccinated now who are wishing to be vaccinated. we knew enough then about this virus to know that he was passing along deadly infection to everybody around him and the people around him were so swept up in his cult-like sort of
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behavior, mentality that he created within the white house. that was a sick white house. that was not the way our government and our white house should be run on any level. it's scary, it makes you wonder about everybody else that was going on and all the questions that we have about this white house. >> for sure. >> so, we'll be following this and we also have a lot of action on capitol hill over the past 24 hours. we are funded at least until february. was there anybody at the edge of their seat that this would not happen. >> there were real concerns that governments could drive us off the cliff and republicans would try to defend vaccine mandates and so we have this real nail biter in the house and senate watching what exactly happens, not only did they managed to
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reach a deal here but it's a deal that's punted only a few months. come february when this funding bill does run out again, we could go through the same process all over again with con congressional negotiators meeting for something here. >> is there a strategy for february? i am curious in terms of timing and what were the sticking points? are they vaccine related? >> vaccine related things were a lot of the points here. republicans in the house and senate have really said they wanted some sort of language here in the funding bills trying to fund vaccine mandates. at the same time they ended up getting a show-vote in the senate enough to satisfy those republicans who just wanted a vote on vaccine mandate or any
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kind. so the cans are kicked further and that's really what was going on here. there is no major like deals in terms of a long-term funding plan. congressional negotiators saying they want to kick the can further to get themselves some time. it's important to remember that they said the same thing in september, the last time we got government funding forward to this week and that brings us to where we are now. nicholas wu and peter baker, thank you so much for being on. still ahead, new cases of omicron variant popping across the country, we'll speak with jen psaki of the president's plan to get americans safely through the winter. first, we'll bring in an expert with over three decades of experience setting up movie stunts and special effects to weigh in on what alec baldwin said happened before the shot that killed helena hutchins.
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the set of the film rust that killed helena hutchins. alec baldwin spoke with george stephanopoulos. >> i was holding the gun that aimed right below her armpit which that was what i was told. i don't know. we kept on doing this. i am going to cock the gun. do you want to see that? i take the gun and i start to -- i am not going to pull the trigger. i cock the gun, can you see that? can you see that? and i let go the hammer of the gun and the gun goes offer. i let go of the handle of the
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gun and it goes off. >> at the moment. >> it was not in the script for the trigger to be pulled. >> well, the trigger was not pulled. i didn't pull the trigger. >> no, i would never point the gun at anyone and pull the trigger. that was the training i had. i got countless of people online, you idiot, you are never to pull the gun on anyone. well, unless you are instructed from the cinematographer who tells you to do and she and i thought it was empty. that was not hers and my responsibility. >> you are never to point a gun at anyone on a set no matter what. >> unless the person is a cinematographer who directed you
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to point the gun at her camera angle. that's exactly what happened. >> the particulars of what happened. the particulars of how a piece of live ammunition ended up on the property. it was not supposed to be on the property or it was not supposed to be on the kit or somebody's fanny pack or live rounds not suppose to be anywhere near a set. >> how did a near bullet get on? >> that's for a criminal investigation to solve. i have no idea. i have no idea. i take that back, i have some ideas but it's not for me to say. as far as i am concerned, someone put -- the investigation is going to find out. someone put a live bullet on the gun. >> we should reiterate the ominous music was added by abc d
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and not by us. what he said was i did not pull the trigger. we heard more of his explanation, he pulled back the hammer and did not pull the trigger. his finger was outside the trigger guard the entire time. knowing what you know about the single-action revolver that would be used in a western movie, does his explanation sounds credible to you? >> his perception may have been accurate. however on a single gun like this when you don't touch the trigger, if you pull the hammer back, it goes through various positions and each of which you can release it and none of which when you release it cause the fire to fall and set up around. if we want to fire the gun, i
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can put my finger here. you take a look at this little finger here, it takes minimal movement to get the gun to follow. based on that, he may not have thought he directly fired a gun. the other thing about this gun is if you have your finger on the trigger such as he might when he was drawing the gun. if you have your finger on the trigger and you are applying slight pressure, when you hammer back and release it, the gun will fire. it does not matter to this gun whether you cock the gun and press the trigger and release the hammer, either one will fire it. he may not have felt like he directly chose some moment to press the trigger but he may already have enough pressure on
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the trigger. >> the way he described it was he pulled back the hammer and it just release. can you see a narratio in a detective weapon or a bad replica because we know things were loose in that set tragically so. can you see a scenario where that hammer may have slipped and discharge a gun? >> no, he said he released the hammer. i let go of the hammer and it fell. the mechanics of the gun, he would already have pressure on that trigger for it to happen. go ahead. >> go ahead. finish your thought. >> when he was asked what's the actor's responsibility? if you have a gun in your hand, it's your responsibility especially it's pointing at someone. he's described working with
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armors did things properly, the armor checks the gun and the armor puts the gun in. if this was not done on that set and he knew things were not being done the way they were supposed to be done. >> a big fundamental question for you, steve, there is a question of how live ammunition got on the set, that's one of the great mysteries that the authorities are looking into. also, a weapon as you know much better than anyone in this conversation right now, a weapon that accepts live ammunition being on the set, is that normal that you would have a gun that could fire a live round on a movie set? >> it's not unusual and billions of rounds of ammos have been fired using live capable guns. given this gun and this, one of
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these guns can accept live ammo. one of these guns can accept blanks. why would you not use the gun not capable of firing ammo. the cause is identical. the weapon looks identical. one is considerably safe to bring to set. that was a valid point and there was no reason to use live ammo capable guns when you have readily available guns that can only fire blanks. you have been looking at the facts in this case and now you have heard an interview from alec baldwin yesterday, you put all those pieces together, what's the likely scenario of what happened on that day in the set? >> the most likely scenario there was live ammo in the set because people were shooting the guns including mr. baldwin when he received his training.
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they had live ammo and people breaks, you are out in the middle of the desert of santa fe, they would go shooting and most likely someone shooting that gun earlier that day with live ammo brought it back and left it on a set cart and then dave picked it up because he needed for this rehearsal without checking it and most irresponsibly, declaring a cold gun without checking it and ended up to someone that took his words for it. why would you listen to dave hall,? there was enough blame to go around the issue about live ammo would not have been a factor as he would like to make the only factor but it would have been a
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factor if he had not pointed the gun and press the trigger. plenty of blame to go around. >> as a pilot i will tell you a plane does not end up on the side of the mountain because of one mistake. >> right. when alec baldwin said to george stephanopoulos when asked of the cardinal rule of not pointing a gun at anyone at any time or aiming at anything you don't want to destroy and alec baldwin says well, unless the cinematographer says i need you to point it in my direction so i can line up the shot so i can get it line up to the film. >> then the cinematographer steps on the village and she watches at a monitor and the camera is locked up. the gun's safety rule is -- all guns are always loaded so why did he and miss hutchins think it's not loaded when they didn't
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check. don't point the gun to anything or anyone unless the cinematographer sells you to. there are millions of movies made where guns are pointed to camera, the crew is removed from the area to make the shot safe. >> this is why you -- >> barbara mcquaid and just listening to that and hearing baldwin's words himself, i am curious from a legal perspective, was it helpful that he did this interview? >> from a legal perspective is never helpful for people who may be potential defendants in a criminal case or civil case to make public statements. you just heard steve talk about, he's now locked himself into a story. he's made public statements that he pulled the hammer and he pointed the gun which are
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admissions that could be used against him for civil negligence, if failing to comply with industry's standards is an experienced actor. potentially even criminal that's still a little bit of a stretch until we know more. if you can show someone active with gross negligence or recklessness and even if their killing was unintentional. that could be enough for man slaughter or negligence homicide charge. >> when you are in public life, you do have a reason to talk and you want to work. i am sure this was a calculated decision that his cost were worth the potential benefits he got. lawyers are crining every time he opens his mouth and spoke a word. >> i am curious what your advise would be to not just alec who is facing as the actor who was
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holding the gun that went off some how regardless of whether or not he was pulling the trigger in his mind and telling, you know, to tell his fingers to pull the trigger. i guess that remains to be seen. exactly how that happened? he was holding the gun. if you are advising someone in this position legally would be advised not to do interviews like this but what about speaking in general on social media, members of your family. what would the advise be as this case bears out? >> the sound legal advise is to talk to no one but your lawyer. any statements you make can be used against you and is considered as interest. if there is a criminal or civil
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trial, you can bet clips of his interview will be played. all you need is an expert like steve to come in and explain why even what he did may sound innocent enough violated the industry's standards and as an experienced actor, he should know better. there is potential liability he has as a producer here. when you hear all corners that are cut here, the people who are leaders in an organization bears some responsibility for those corners being cut. many of those statements he used here, social media and even with friends and family members are potentially evidence against him in an ultimate trial. >> steve, i am curious to you, do you agree with that and with the statement that on every level there was a violation of industry's standards. >> yes, both industry's standards and conventional safety standards were widely disregarded. and, barbara is absolutely
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right. the best advice is keep your mouth shut. not only because what you say will be used against you but you don't know what you are saying. when a gun goes off and there is that loud noise and all the day chaos ensues, there is a massive adrenaline in your system so you don't really know. your inaccurate statement may have been intentional will be perceived as a lie. that's the principles involving in any type of deadly incident is to keep your mouth shut. >> what steve is talking about its emotion mind, when you are in a high level of state or a fear or whatever emotions, your
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ability to think and process goes from 10-1. that's proven how the brain works. it's an interesting point he makes where you have alec baldwin talking about the moments leading up to and right during and right after an incredibly traumatic event. >> yeah, most of all for helena hutchins and her family. steve, i want to put a find point on it because of the crux of what alec baldwin talked about last night. can you see any scenario where that weapon discharge a bullet without his pulling the trigger? >> in my 30 years and thousands of gun handling experiences, i have never seen a gun discharged himself and to float the idea that guns discharge itself would unleash a massive wave of
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irresponsible gun handling when it goes off. it's because someone press the trigger. objects don't kill people. >> we'll learn more. steve wolf, thank you so much for being here and former u.s. attorney barbara mcquaid, thank you as well. an alabama man executed for being an accomplice in the murders of three officers. a look at the chase of nathanial woods. >> congress is facing a looming deadline over the debt ceiling. senator tim kaine joins us when "morning joe" comes back. r tim "morning joe" comes back real cowboys get customized car insurance with liberty mutual, so we only pay for what we need.
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welcome back to "morning joe'. nathanial woods was sentencing to dead for the killing of three birmingham officers. woods never even handled the murder weapon. >> nathanial was about to be executed. >> mr. woods did not shoot anybody. >> the fact that three white officers was dead, they wanted to put somebody away. >> i don't forget this will never go away. >> somebody's lives is literally in your hands. >> they're trying to stop the execution that's set to happen. no, no, no. >> the new documentary is presented by "the new york
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times" joining us now is the director and producer "to live in die," tell us about the documentary, matt. >> good to be here, thanks for having me. the documentary has been a long and emotional journey. it's something we included of combination of reporting and film making and the new york times, nathanial woods looking back at his life which caused him to be there on the day and of the subsequent time on death row and beyond that. >> how did you get onto this story and how long did it take you to research it? it's a fascinating story. >> yes, it's brought to our attention of the time around the
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execution of nathanial woods. we have been working on it for the best part of this year started back. the research is being continued from last year, the documentary has been in process for this year. >> i want to show another clip and ask you about his family in this clip from the documentary. woods' attorney fights to delay his execution with minutes away before his scheduled lethal injection. >> the attorney general launched a statement from someone who was connected to the victims asking for mercy for nate. >> he didn't kill the officers. he didn't kill my brother. he was just at the wrong place and at the wrong time. if i can get you to someone at
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the governor's office, will you convey that to them? >> can i call you back at this number? >> yes, i can. >> you have reached -- >> i need a direct number, please. a drirect number, please >> okay, are you still there? >> don't give up, we are getting close. no, no, no, no they're doing it. i think they're executing him right now. >> matt, tell us about that moment, give us the context. >> that's nathanial woods'
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laura, lauren foreno, this was at the time the execution was scheduled. they wanted the steve marshal to look at and hopefully to change the decision to execute him. they asked more time to present clemency and new findings in front of them but then the 11th hour or less, 35 minutes to go one of the victims called his sister and also said they believed nathanial woods should not be executed because he was at the wrong place and he never touched the murder weapon and led alone pull the trigger. because of that, she was asking for mercy for woods.
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they wanted to convey that message which would have baring that he eventually would be executed. >> matt, good morning, this started with the heinous murders of three police officers at the pulled the trigger. he was there, clearly, but he didn't shoot the officers. so what is the law in alabama that even allowed this to be pursued as a death penalty case, and what has been the fate of the person or people who actually did pull the trigger that killed those officers? >> alabama is one of the states, among a few others, that has complicity law. an accomplice to murder can be tried on the same severity as if you pulled the trigger and that was the contention of the trial as to if nate was an active
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participant or if he was just at the wrong place at the wrong time. and i think in terms of if you're thinking of executions in general a very small number of cases that have had someone be executed on that law, just 11. and even smaller still not taking part like in a robbery where a murder happens. in nathaniel woods' case it is a rare one in that sense and also still rarer that in the actual trial it wasn't a unanimous verdict by the jury. it was actually 10-2, so two people voted not for the death penalty. alabama is the only state where you can be sentenced to death on the nonunanimous verdict by the jury. >> "to live and die in alabama" presented by "the new york times" premieres tonight on fx
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i feel that we are quite festive here at the table on this friday. i could have blue but really weird you all walked in and i was like are we doing wardrobe here? what am i missing out on? okay. so senator kaine, i'll start with you. narrowly avoided a shutdown. were you waiting with bated breath? >> i think the sticking point is something that is big. i was never worried there would be a shutdown. you know this deja vu feeling. the sticking point was the interesting one, republicans in the senate were saying we're not going to allow government to be funded unless we can repeal the biden, what they call, vaccine mandate. of course it's a vaccine or testing mandate. if you don't want a vaccine because you're worried about your health, you think there's microchip, you don't like
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needles, you just have to be tested once a week so when you walk into your work place you won't infect your colleagues with a deadly virus. >> that seems completely reasonable. >> they wanted to defund the vaccine mandate and they were going to threaten to shut down government over that. at the end of the day reason prevailed. everybody got to go on the record about what they felt about the vaccination and testing plan, but we funded government through february, but the vaccine issue isn't over. we'll have another vaccine vote next week, and then we'll have to grapple with that while the courts are also sorting through the -- it's supposed to kick in in early january. >> i'll let the table ask questions but explain what the vaccine mandate or testing covers. >> it basically covers private employers over 100 and federal employees including the military and the basic plan is you get vaccinated with these vaccines that are american innovative success stories that are keeping us safer every day or you get a
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test once a week to show your colleagues you're not walking in and infecting them. this right i have a right to walk in to my office and infect my co-workers and still get a paycheck is outrageous. that's what's at stake. >> what they would be doing is similar to what donald trump did before the first debate, which is he walk around with covid and breathed all over everybody, and there is nobody in america who would want that to happen to them. >> no. absolutely not. and testing gets easier and easier, cheaper and cheaper. again, you don't have to get the vaccine, although let's all get it. i have been double vaxed, boosted and had covid, so i feel like the bionic man sitting here today. with new variants, please keep yourself safe. >> exactly. >> one of the things the country will be bifurcated, right? the folks vaccinated and boosted and the folks who won't. as lawmakers what can you do to try to tone that down because
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you have republicans who have taken up this anti-vax conversation for months and months and we feel we're too far gone. >> it's a mystery. you do hope that every new little news item, there's an omicron variant, every little news item, might push a few more people to decide i'm on the fence, i'm worried, i don't like needles but, boy, i'd better get it. and we are seeing the numbers creep up and up and up and now boosters creeping up and now children getting vaccinated. so one of the positives -- i don't want to say positive about the omicron variant but compared to the original alpha, alpha hits the u.s. population with no natural immunity and no vaccine even created. now omicron is coming in, many of us have natural immunities because we've had covid and we've been triple-vaxed and i think the potential damage of this next variant is lesser because we're so much further along in protecting ourselves. >> i guess now the can has been kicked down the road to february 15th, right?
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>> february 18th. >> 18th. all right. and what are the potential pitfalls for democrats and republicans as they push this off? >> on the government funding, listen, and the senator knows, there's a couple big issues. one is defense funding. there's a big gap on where republicans are and nondefense spending. they want equity. and democrats are saying no. they are trying to stop build back better. this is what's going on. i wanted to see what you thought, senator, you saw those republicans vote on that lee marshall amendment and many are pro-vaccine. >> clearly. >> what did you think about that? it was a free vote for them.
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but i was still surprised that they didn't cross over and say we're not for mandates but this is -- >> i think you're underlining eugene's vote. i have pro-vaccine who vote like they think their constituents want and that's unfortunate. i was governor during h1n1 which threatened to be a problem. it turned out not to be so bad. we would be on the phone, all the governors, on the phone with hhs secretary from the bush administration. there was no political division. we were talking about how tamiflu. zero red state/blue state. now there is this division. >> i want to talk about the democrats and branding issues. joe manchin appears to be siding with the republicans on this. what are your thoughts on that on your colleague? >> on the mandate, he did vote with us last night because i think he was convinced if it was pure vaccine, he might have a
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problem. but the testing option is so reasonable. so he voted with us on that. look, joe is a good friend. we've done a lot of work together. and you know him well, too, he can be a tough negotiator. at the end of the day it's usually not joe standing in the way of something or voting against something. i just remember whether it was impeachment votes or aca repeal. at the end of the day when it's crunch time, joe is a guy i've always counted on and he's never surprised me yet, he's a tough negotiator. you have 50 dems, but for us this won't happening. we're negotiating publicly or privately. as long as there's this vigorous testing option, i think joe is fine with it. >> let's talk about the democrats. democratic pollster has issued a stark warning to his party heading into the midterms, which
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is this. the warning is this. fix the branding problem. held focus groups with democrats in virginia after the party lost the governor's race there. one of his main takeaways, people think the party is more focused on social issues when the economy is the top issue right now. he says, quote, the number one issue for women right now is the economy. the number one issue for black voters, the economy. the number one issue for latino voters is the economy. i'm not advocating for us ignoring social issues but when we think broadly about voters, they all -- they actually all want us talking about the economy and doing things to help them out economically. people drive by the pump. they know what the cost of a pound of ground beef is supposed to be or boneless skinless chicken breast. those are the things they talk about, meat and groceries. those are the things they really see. and when we talk about virginia, i think of bobs for jobs and how
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that was brilliant. it was so simple. how do you think democrats are handling this type of advice? it doesn't seem they are taking it yet. >> we could do better. we've talked many times about the kitchen table issues that affect every family in america, the issues that democrats -- >> do better how? do more of what and do less of what? >> for example, president biden just opened the strategic petroleum reserve to, in effect, try to lower gas prices. we should be talking about that about the direct actions the president is making. he's talking about it. i think all of us, whether you're a member of congress, whether you are a strategist like myself, we all have a responsibility to be talking about the very things that this government, this president, this congress, is doing right now, to affect those issues. build back better agenda, which will be extraordinary when it's
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finally in full signed into law is something to be talking about that we've also got to have a two track strategy where we are going into the very households and talking about those issues that are affecting everyday families including the rising cost of food, including the rising cost of gas prices. for a family on a very fixed budget, you know, a $2 increase in the price they're paying for grocery items, all of those things can add up very quickly. >> you can't think about anything else until those are settled. i actually think my intink feels like it's going to be the economy and crime down the road. but, on the economy, tim kaine, what happened in virginia? this is a state and a process and a race that you know well. and can the lessons of the gubernatorial race -- terry mcauliffe was almost like an incumbent. he served his governor. he was proven. in a lot of ways it's extra
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painful. and does it give lessons across the board? >> having done this about 30 years when a republican who is worth half a million dollars runs a campaign in a really good year for republicans with a big tail wind and he has no record that can be hung on him that tells you how different virginia is than when i got into politics. but i do think you're right. we need to sell the economy. do this in september and october and you're going to help terry win if they had done that and build back better and we could have done that we would have helped terry have a strong economic message. and we do have to sell. i will be with secretary buttigieg selling the infrastructure bill and we'll sell build back better.
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it has to be a competitive american workforce. we'll have a lot to sell and we need to. >> i agree with the senator. waiting on the infrastructure bill, waiting months to pass it, was a huge mistake. a $1.9 trillion huge bill, and the debate shifted into we've elected joe biden president and we want what we want from the biden administration. i think that overwhelmed the white house in a way and, of course, it was afghanistan. i think they took their eye off the ball. it feels, honestly, like 2009
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and 2010. >> senator, last word. >> a polyanna -- >> very nice. >> a christmas gift. >> spring is magnolias and dogwoods. we're starting to feel -- and joe biden can say the last year has been horrible. we have a great american comeback, build back better and infrastructure, you mentioned prices, but what about wages going up? jobs reports setting records every month? >> we'll be getting one. >> you get into april and i think people will be feeling good and democrats have to lay the foundation out that if that's true we have to claim credit for it because republicans have voted against everything we've done from vaccine funding to infrastructure to claim credit. >> will build back better be signed at the end of the year? >> i think it will. >> i'll be watching.
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>> honestly that happened. senator tim kaine, thank you very much. >> i appreciate you guys. >> co-founder of punch bowl news john bresnahan, thank you for being on this morning for your reporting as well. willie? let's turn to the latest on the fatal shooting on the set of the film "rust." alec baldwin insists he is not responsible for the accident in his first formal interview since the tragedy. he talked about that last night. miguel almaguer has the details. i used to love to make movies, i did. >> reporter: emotional and at times defiant. >> i feel that someone is responsible for what happened, and i can't say who that is, but i know it's not me. >> reporter: alec baldwin telling his version of how helena hutchins was killed with a revolver he was rehearsing. he pulled back the hammer but
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didn't fully cock the weapon. >> i'm showing you, how about that? do you see that? yeah, that's good. i let go of the hammer, bang, the gun goes off. >> reporter: baldwin insisting he never pulled the trigger. >> everyone is horrified, they're shocked. it's loud. the gun was supposed to be empty. >> there's two gunshots. >> what? >> reporter: baldwin said he's grieving for hutchins and her family. >> this boy doesn't have a mother anymore. there's nothing we can do to bring her back. she was loved and admired by everyone she worked with. >> reporter: attorneys for the film's armerer recently telling savannah they believe someone deliberately sabotaged the set by mixing live ammunition into a box labeled dummy rounds.
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>> the person who put the live round in the box of dummy rounds had to have the purpose of sabotaging this set. there's no other reason you would do that, that you would mix the live round in with the dummy round. >> reporter: it's a claim baldwin says he doesn't believe. >> that's an enormous charge to make. for what purpose? what was their motive? it's overwhelmingly likely that it was an accident. >> reporter: just hours before the deadly shooting, members of the film's camera crew had walked off the set, citing poor working conditions and safety concerns. but baldwin, telling abc news, he had no knowledge of any serious issues on the set and believed the filming on "rust" was going well. >> and so help me god i sat on that pew right before they called lunch, and said this movie has made me love making movies again. >> reporter: baldwin pushing back against criticism he should have checked the gun even after
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being told it was cold or safe by assistant director dave halls. >> the actor's responsibility is to do what the top armorer tells them to do. >> reporter: and asked if he feels guilt as well as grief, baldwin said no. >> honest to god, if i felt i was responsible, i might have killed myself if i thought i was responsible. i don't say that lightly. >> miguel almaguer reporting for us there. still ahead on "morning joe" white house press secretary jen psaki joins our conversation in washington. we will talk to jen about president biden's new strategy aimed at fighting the potential winter surge of covid-19 and much more. you're watching "morning joe." (tiger) this is the dimension of imagination. ♪
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it is friday and the white house is urging more americans get vaccinated as new omicron cases are detected in the u.s. as expected. kelly o'donnell has the latest. >> reporter: expected but still unnerving. more cases of the omicron variant detected inside the u.s. new york officials calling a news conference to announce omicron is there. add colorado to california and minnesota. officials identified omicron in a denver area woman who returned from tour in southern africa, was fully vaccinated but had not received a booster. >> she is experiencing mild symptoms and is isolating at home. >> reporter: governor tim walls trying to offer reassurance. >> it's not surprising that it showed up. >> reporter: that case involves a minneapolis-area man and boosted who had traveled to new
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york city where he attended an anime convention held at the javits center, the very place that had once served as a covid field hospital. convention goers urged to get tested. new york governor kathy hochul. >> we do anticipate there will be more cases but to the extend they are mild we'll address them. this is not cause for alarm. >> reporter: and from the president, a visit to the national institutes of health to reboot his plan for winter covid. >> going to fight this with science and speed not chaos and confusion. >> reporter: the cost of in-home tests will be reimbursable through your private health insurance. 50 million free tests will be distributed to community sites and rural areas. a change in travel requirements. all passengers flying to the u.s. from foreign countries must have a negative covid test
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within 24 hours down from three days. children, adults and seniors can get their shots together. the white house says nearly 2.2 million doses went into arms including more than 1 million booster shots. the largest 24-hour total in more than six months. the risks of the omicron variant. doctors warn the winter season is already a dangerous time. >> we haven't gotten begun to deal with the delta surge that will go well into the early spring. >> joining us now white house press secretary jen psaki here on the set. good to have you. >> great to be here. >> thank you for coming in. so a lot of announcements made as we're looking at omicron.
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beyond a booster campaign, there's at-home tests and push for health insurers to cover that, trying to get kids vaccinated, vaccination areas are far and wide so that people can get to them. and how the president moves forward on the messaging. how does he do two things at once. >> that's what we're trying to do. we're not shutting the economy down, though this is a difficult moment. there are a lot of unknowns. we are not building from scratch. we have the tools we need. so you did a very effective runthrough of exactly what the president announced yesterday. we're trying to build on what we know works. we're targeting seniors and others. we're building on our testing
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plan. what we haven't talked about enough is we quadrupled our testing capacity since the summer. we know all these components will work and build on that. we have the tools we need to not shut the economy down and that is our intention. >> we have seen and it is proven it's not an opinion, it's not proven mandates work. will we see mandates? are republicans going to continue to fight this? >> i bet they continue to fight it, a group of republicans, they don't think people should have to get vaccinated or get tested. that's bananas and crazy. we're trying to implement the mandates, which are vaccinate or test either option reasonable for businesses around the country. the good news is it works and
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businesses about 60% of businesses are doing this. the federal government is the biggest employer in the country. we've already done this. what we're going to see, i think, more businesses do this on their own because it creates certainty, protects their workers, brings more women back in. >> because of the travel bans placed on south africa, we know now that omicron is pretty much everywhere. it's here in the u.s., in many european countries. isn't it time to lift those restrictions given we don't have restrictions from the uk, belgium, italy, denmark, a whole host of countries that have omicron? >> we put the travel restrictions in place just a week ago. it feels like longer than that, i recognize, and we did it on the recommendation of our experts. if they recommend we lift them, the president will follow their advice. >> it is inconsistent you have them against some countries but not against others.
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>> if we don't feel we need them, we will lift them. it is unquestionable this spread in south africa, hundreds, thousands of cases at this point, is broader than other places. yes, we've had cases that will continue but we feel this is effective in slowing the spread and slowing the movement to the united states. >> what we've heard from other countries, while we are getting boosted here in america places around the country, especially poorer countries, who have had no shots, no one has a first or second vaccine. i know the president has said you've continued to give more than other countries. it's america so there's a lot more that we could always be doing. they will keep popping up. >> eugene, you are right. the virus and the variants don't see borders. they don't have a political
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affiliation. we announced moving forward more quickly 100 million doses. is the additional capacity needed? south africa, we are ready to give them doses tomorrow. the challenge is vaccine hesitancy, something we saw in this country. not enough public health officials. the global community needs to do more. it's about know-how and a range of capacities. >> within all this we were talking a block ago about a post-virginia look at what happened and some polling that showed democrats are losing really badly on economic issues and that americans care more about economic issues versus social issues and their health.
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how do you think the white house can do better? i put this question to you and adrian. >> of course they do. the american people care about covid, getting it under control and they care about the economy. look, as a virginia woman in the suburbs who has neighbors who are democrats, republicans, independents, i can tell you that's what they care the most about. we have an opportunity to be quite bold about the choice that people across the country have. prices are up. we're still fighting the pandemic. are you going to be the republicans or are you going to be a democrat and say, look, we just passed this infrastructure bill. we want to get build back better done. for child care, eldercare. we have a great agenda to run on. every election is a choice and, yes, we should continue and keep making that choice about core
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issues. >> jobs numbers just crossed, 210 jobs just added. 210,000. so if we look at that breaking news right now, that's a number that feels a little, what, off? >> i will say people can expect the president to continue to say. today, month to month, is that what we're seeing are good trends that we are continuing to put people back to work, that we are continuing to see participation in the workforce, that we are continuing to see the unemployment rate go down but there's more to do to address core problems that have existed long before the pandemic. >> there's the supply chain. there's this number, which she can't comment on for an hour so we'll keep her here. you're not leaving. and a lot of other issues you brought up earlier. how can the white house and how can the democrats own the economy? it feels like more can be done.
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>> i don't think it's just the white house's responsibility. as a democratic strategist the economy is doing so well. we have a lot of great things to talk about, the record unemployment rate the last several years. the fact that we are feeling like we're constantly on the defense. jen, can you talk about more -- you, as a former democratic strategist, before you became the white house press secretary, what more can democrats be doing, not just the white house, but what more can we be doing to affect this message overall? to talk about how strong the economy is even though some people feel that it's not as strong as it really is. >> one of the things i have believed but learned a lot from the president, people do not vote on, respond to, data. that's not how people experience things in their lives. what does economic data mean to them? what they care about and what democrats -- that's why i love being a democrat, we need to
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make it real for people. what does this mean for child care and what the cost of child care will be? what does it mean whether they can go back to work or not? how can they get health care for their parent, pay for their parent to get the eldercare they need? so we need to really think carefully about not getting too wonkified and talk about things in a way that is accessible, how it impacts people's lives. >> yes or no, will build back better be signed by the end of the year? >> yes. >> and the self-proclaimed wonky nerd general psaki, thank you very much for dropping by. the november jobs report falls short of expectations. what the new numbers say about the economic recovery next on "morning joe."
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the u.s. added 210,000 jobs last month. that's lower than the projection of 550,000 jobs, and it's worth noting the numbers for recent months had been revised upwards afterwards. so we are going to have to watch where this goes. joining us now "wall street journal" economics reporter, good to have you with us, along with gene, katty kay, and michael steele back at the table. what's your gut reaction to the jobs number? >> well, this is a miss. >> a big one. >> we were expecting around 573,000 jobs. we got significantly less than that. i think what you're seeing here is what economists have been talking about throughout the entire pandemic which is that the trajectory of the economy is really going to depend on the trajectory of the virus and how people are responding to that. people are still afraid of contracting the virus, afraid of
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potentially going to work and passing it on to someone in their household. families are dealing with child care constraints. some of these things are holding back job creation. >> let me expand upon a couple of things you just mentioned because child care is not just a matter of the type of child care and what was being debated to put into the bills, but it's more that if you have a kid who is in school or if you have a kid that goes to a daycare center and somebody even a week ago reports getting covid, that whole thing shuts down. >> that's right. >> and so child care is a much wider issue in terms of how you define it. >> that's right. and i think when the fall started a lot of economists were expecting those child care constraints to go away because schools were returning to in-person learning mostly. but, as you say, with daycares opening and closing, with people still feeling afraid, those kinds of things can prevent jobs
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growth. >> really quickly, i'll open it up to the table this is drastically less than expected. what else do you think is going on? and is it people who are still afraid of going back to work because of covid? >> i think that's one factor and we've had a lot of stimulus pumped into the economy to a lot of households maybe have a bit of a cushion. we know this pandemic has changed people's priorities and with that kind of cushion maybe people are more deliberate. >> what is the number of that cushion? >> i don't know off the top of my head. >> what is a number that would have people decide not to go back? i have to understand that. >> we have stimulus checks, the extended child care credit, that kind of support in the economy. some families may be able to say, look, i will be more deliberate in my decision, maybe my priorities have changed over the course of the pandemic and i want to make sure the job i'm taking is a good fit for me and my family. >> is a good fit. >> this doesn't bode well for inflation.
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if people are not going back into the labor force, you higher them higher wages, people's prices start going up and up get into a wage price spiral and this is not what the white house wants. >> yes, well, i think economists will say we're not quite there yet. >> but this kind of number will make people nervous. >> inflation is a complicated issue. there are a lot of reasons why it's happening right now. many are the supply chain constraints we've seen because of pandemic disruptions and because of the labor shortage employers have had to raise wages. that's a factor here. what you'll see the biden administration say is a number like this supports their argument that congress should pass the build back better agenda. if you want to see long-term growth and the productivity we need investments they've been pushing. >> amara, a lot of this, i get fascinated to this part of the
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month where we're expecting jobs numbers. the expectation. and you've just laid out all of these factors, so why don't economists factor that in when they go out to talk about 500,000 jobs for this month and then you get 220,000. if you have all those things those factors that you know why do we play this rude game where we sort of build up this expectation, all these jobs will be created, where the underlying metrics are telling you that's not necessarily what you're going to get. i'll be polite and say what is that balance that's in play there, because we go through this every month and, you know, when the numbers are really good, oh, it's greater than expected. i didn't have an expectation. >> i think economists do try to take -- >> how can you be off by a factor of 100? >> you will have to ask them.
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i'm not an economist. the pandemic has been a unique shock, too. it's hard to predict. we've had cases go down and had them spike. it's been a really hard economic trajectory to project. >> really quickly, gene. >> these numbers and all the complications, this is complicated for the white house, it makes it hard -- >> explain. >> to explain what is going on. that's one of the things they're dealing with. we had jen psaki here and tim kaine, this is hard. this will be -- >> multifaceted. >> and expect republicans to sort of criticize the administration with this number. >> do you know how long the supply chain issue will take to unravel? >> economists expect it to get better as we move along in 2022. >> "wall street journal" economist reporter, thank you so much for coming on. come back soon. we appreciate it. up next, should americans
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>> so there are early signs if you're vaccinated that it might be milder, which is actually a good thing. this is exactly what we were hoping vaccines would do, prevent hospitalizations and death. we have to wait weeks. there's a lag in people who might have initial symptoms and feel, if you remember in march remember in march of 2020, people were okay at home and then several days later declined. so we'll know more in the next several weeks. which is hard to tell people to wait over christmas. >> the next several weeks is christmas and new year's. go ahead michael steele. >> i want to follow-up on the point you made about the idea that the vaccines work. okay. if you get covid, or some form of it, you are going to not necessarily go to the hospital and certainly death is not in your future. how is that part of the narrative gotten lost in sort of translating more broadly to the country now that we're going into omicron? >> i think it has a lot to do, honestly, with such chaos in
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communication even from the beginning. we were struggling so hard to just validate, this is a real virus. this isn't fake. i'm not making money off of people going to the hospital with covid. and then we had vaccines and that immediately turned into something political. dr. fauci was trying to wield an unnecessary vaccine on the public. so we lost the ability to just rationally explain to people this is what vaccines do. all of us have had vaccines and none of us expect the vaccine, the flu shot to prevent you from getting the flu, they prevent you from dying. that's the point. we have 750,000 people and probably more when all is done that haven't been counted yet, think of children and families that have been disrupted. >> so boosters are a big emphasis for the white house, especially with omicron, there's a sense that you are far more protected if you are boosted. what is the possibility that boosters become a yearly event for people who don't want to get
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covid? >> so the possibility is real, but also like a lot of things we have to wait and see what we're going to wait to look for is how much of that booster based immunity decreases over time to a significant level that breaks through and makes it significant. and two, how can we understand how much new variants play a role, for example will a booster in the future need to be tweaked and tailored a little bit. we do it for flu, but we get boosters for shingles, tetanus, we do boosters for other things so it could be part of our fold. i don't want americans to think it's a disappointment if we need a regular shot. >> i have a follow-up, but gene you go first. >> one thing people want to know how much is life going to change? a couple of weeks ago, dr. fauci, medical experts said we'll be able to have a normal christmas as long as people are vaccinated, omicron hits and so what should people expect on whether or not they can go and
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do this? we can continue to do this? >> the change comes what level of protection you have, if you're fully vaccinated, up to date, booster included, and you don't have conditions that make you vulnerable, then you really are as protected as possible. you may not want to go into a strange environment where you don't know what people are doing and they're coughing because of the very low risk, but you are as protected as possible. when we do a bad job in public health is communicating that all of life is a risk. we're going to do as much as we can to decrease it, we don't take it to zero. it's up to you to make choices. the problem is with so much being politicized, people aren't allowing us the freedom to take care of ourselves. when we're saying no to mandates, we're saying no to protecting my family. >> we're saying no to this virus ever going away also. my follow-up is this, is the inability to get the world vaccinated, let alone a large portion of this country the
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reason why we may have to have yearly booster shots? >> yes. you're hitting on the point that fauci is others and jen psaki eluded to earlier, this is a global pandemic it's not going away until we're all vaccinated. you have countries in africa that are 2 to 6% vaccinated. they have issues with infrastructure and yes, those things are solvable but we can't solve this i don't want to get vaccinated and stop at 60% of the population getting vaccinated when you have countries begging for it. they'll take our leftovers that expired. >> in florida i had a doctor that gave me a booster, no one wanted them. it's not a good time to start this conversation. dr. patel, thank you very much. time for final thoughts i'll keep mine to myself. willie, you begin. >> some of the other stories we've been covering, my final
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thought is with the families and students at oxford michigan where there was another school shooting, four teenagers went into school to go to class, and were killed by another student. this is an epidemic in this country and we can't let it pass as another day in america. >> it does not happen in other countries. the teachers did everything they could. but if there are guns out there, no matter how much you do things by the book and you report the kids troubling you, you can't prevent things like that. >> mike? >> from school shootings to the lack of taking the vaccine. we need to recognize we are where we are because this is where we want to be. >> personal choice. among some i would say. >> yeah, among some. >> that's exactly right. i want to get personal. >> please. >> the thing that's on my mind and my final thoughts are thinking about how much you love your family and how long they have with us. a member of our family over the
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hey, there. i'm stephanie rhule, live at msnbc headquarters here in new york city. it's friday, december 3rd and we start this morning with breaking economic news. the november jobs report is out and it's a lot less than analysts expected, 210,000 jobs were added last month. that's a very big miss. but remember we have seen a ton of revisions on these reports. meaning updates to those numbers after the original report. and over the last few months they have been

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