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the same. >> i like your christmas tree, thank you so much for being with us this morning. thank you all of you for waking up way too early with us on this thursday. "morning joe" starts right now. >> the prime minister of finland apologized for missing a message to quarantine because she was out clubbing at 4:00 a.m. and left her work phone at home. americans are shocked, you can leave your work phone at home. meantime, the only time joe biden was up at 4:00 a.m. was to use the restroom. >> oh, you can't say that. >> that's just not true. >> comen. >> good morning. >> is it friday yet? no. >> that's fantastic. we have several more days. >> one more.
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is that not a great story. >> first of all, she goes out and messes up because she defies regulations. she did go out. she didn't get the message and she owns it and apologizes. she's out clubbing until 4:00 in the morning. the prime minister of finland and she has a toddler. >> we can use some more of that. >> that's called knowing your values. >> it is. >> you are running the country, you are clubbing until 4:00 in the morning. >> the prime minister just wants to have fun. >> i wonder for us, senior minister is a 32 years old. most of them were in their 30s. >> i think they can take it down a notch. we have our contributor -- >> she could have done this
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show, come straight from the club. >> i knew an intern that did that. >> msnbc's contributor of the confidence code series, katty kay is with us. michael steele, eugene robinson is joining us. adrienn alrod. will geist just got in from clubbing at 4:00 a.m.? >> maybe we need to go to finland and interview some of the leaders over there. >> this reminds me when we were doing the show in the early '80s at studio 54 with liza and myck, we would be out until 4:15 and
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4:30. fun. >> fun memories. bianca would be on top of the horse and i am like what are you saying about inflationary pressure? it was very hard to figure that out. >> i could not understand half of what david bowie was saying. it was loud. >> halsten was on top of the news though. >> and his hair was perfect. it was wonderful. we had so many memories willie and i. we really spanned. >> you are looking good. >> 15 years is enough. can you believer we are on year 15, guys? that's pretty exciting. >> let's get to -- you are going to interrupt? i am waiting and i am seeing it.
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i would like to do and if this is okay what we call in the football business and audible. just for a second. >> you may. >> do you have those phone numbers before we go to the first story? mark meadows? whatever. >> i was fascinated because we have you here adrienne. i was looking at polling yesterday and talking to a good number of people on the hill on both sides and it seems that top priorities for democrats if you ask democrats what are the top three issues and you ask independence what are the top three issues and you ask republicans what are the top three issues, it's one of these things, which one does not belong. democrats' issues don't line up just where two-thirds of americans are. i was telling mika about this yesterday, my gosh, they are for
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a field where the american people are. alex called us this morning and gave us these three polls. >> we are talking about the latest monmouth university's poll. in a separate poll from the wall street journal, 10% of americans say inflation is the most important issue for the government to address behind immigration and the economy. >> you know covid is not even in there. and the new cnbc's poll, inflation leaps ahead of coronavirus as the top area of concern of the country after the two issues were tied in a previous poll. >> right.
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adrienne, i understand bbp polls well and this fight going on and i understand they are focused on the deaths in getting this done. they keep fighting about something that right now while it's popular that americans are not thinking about. they're thinking about everyday bills and inflation and the sort of things that help youngkin getting elected when he was talking about tax cuts for grocery bills. these polls and the internal polls i saw yesterday are such huge warning signs. these people keep debating about a bb bill. americans have gone way past that. they're talking about the economy, the economy, specifically their home economy. >> those kitchen table issues that we talked about many times in this table that's affecting families. what the build back better bill
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plan does is addresses some of these rising costs that families are dealing with, rising cost of child care and healthcare and energy cost. democrats have got to do a better job connecting those dots. it may take a little bit of time and some of these costs, i am not an economist but many economists believe the high cost is the virus dealing with the pandemic. if we pass this bill and put so much of our muscle into getting this monumental piece of legislation passed, the white house is doing a better job, members of congress is doing a better job, they're selling this and they're selling infrastructure and they'll go home. hopefully we'll pass build back better bill after christmas. we got to do better job of
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saying connecting the dots and how it's going to affect your everyday life. >> i really appreciate that. it takes me back to 2010 where we started the discussion around how do we try on the discussion on obamacare. there were other issues out there as well. the problem that i see coming from the democrats is they're doing everything in order. okay, first we got build back better bill and we got infrastructure and the country is like dude, this is the thing that's bothering me right now. if you address this, you can walk and chew gum at the same time, get the country in a position, okay, we got this thing going on with covid, we are going to handle this. we'll keep you apprised of what you need to do there. meanwhile, we need to focus about inflation and things that are hitting the kitchen table. let me tell you what we are going to start to do to address this. elevate that conversation. you can't wait until you are passed the bill in december.
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>> they're not going to pass the bill in december. if you believe joe manchin. it's not going to pass this year. >> are you going to go into the new year, democrats, like fighting and debating this bill? no. supply chain and inflation. just obsessed. >> i have argued and my colleague will argue about it again. talk about inflation. talk about and acknowledge it. let people understand that you hear what they are saying and you understand that yes, prices are up and be seen to do something about it, to try to do something about it. people understand that if you can't snap your finger and all of a sudden prices go down. it was a step to release oil from petroleum reserve which does not have immediate economic
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impact. definitely have gone down a little bit. was that due to biden's announcement? not really. there is a connection there. you have to talk about what is on people's mind. >> we do have to acknowledge it. we have to show that we have empathy of what american families are dealing with. >> they know this in the white house officially saying the single most porn thing for democrats heading into the midterms and into 2024 would be for them to be talking about bringing prices down. and the problem with the build back better bill is not just caught up in democrats' wrangling which the country is not interested at all. congress is not popular. they're not talking about things that people care about. they have to get it passed so they can stop talking about it.
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>> that's the thing. they're not going to get passed this year. if you believe in joe manchin and so you are going to have to move onto something else and manchin who people have been saying is destroying the democratic party, i don't know. some people may say that more americans would agree with him than you have all these inflationary pressure after putting 7 or $8 trillion in the economy. maybe while inflation is 6%, you don't put another $1.5 trillion in the economy. it's not me, your humble former republican, what am i? you got me saying that, willie, most americans would agree and most americans will be concerned if they pump another $1.75 trillion into the economy next month. >> yeah, i think a lot of americans also say we got the covid relief bill at nearly $2 trillion and the infrastructure bill at
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$2 trillion, what's the impact of all that money and the prices i see at the gas pump and the grocery stores. there is been, let's be honest for some quarters among progressive and democrats smearing of inflation, come on, it's not that bad. that's not what the people of the country are seeing. inflation is a big issue. a conservative group in wisconsin found no evidence of voter fraud in the state's last year presidential election. it was a ten-month long investigation, included there was nothing suspicious of the voter turn out or the tiing of the voting tally. there was no evidence in voter fraud. more eligible voters casted ballots for joe biden than donald trump. former president trump had
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alleged widespread fraud in the key wing states without evidence and pushed for an audit. we are still talking ten months on about these elections but it's important because of what donald trump and some republicans and at the state level they're trying to do about the next election and the one after that. >> the stupidity that's still out there. that's being fuelled by stupidity among politicians. how many recounts in georgia and how many recounts everywhere? now we have another recount in wisconsin that ron johnson admitted a month and a half ago, it was not voting machines, it was donald trump. what was the one thing that didn't go along with everything else? donald trump. like republicans in 2020, everybody wanted to vote for republicans in 2020 far more than they expected.
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it's donald trump. >> it's like what ron johnson said. 55,000, donald trump lost by x number of votes across the board, donald trump. these elections were not rigged and we keep hearing it time and time again from conservatives. >> you do. here is the rub on that. it does not matter because the echo chamber inside the gop right now is driven primarily by donald trump still. you are not going to have ron johnson and other leaders either in the state of wisconsin or nationally step up and go -- they're just not going to cut it off because there is no there in cutting off. there is no opportunity to moving beyond trump because trump comes back on the other side, his base rises up and that narrative takes hold again. how do you break that?
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>> well, you kind of can't when it's going into the election. >> y'all need to stop doing stupid and be quiet on this. there is enough evidence out here after a year looking at elections from wisconsin and pennsylvania and arizona, they know it. joe, you talked to them and i talked to them. what did they say? well, i can't say anything publicly. right, why are you in the job? >> well -- >> the reality is you don't get beyond stupid if you are stuck with stupid leaders. >> you are beyond terrified. you got elected of the job, it's not just representing and when you take that oath of office, you represent everyone, you don't represent a
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narrow constituent. >> i went to town hall meetings early on and i was saying yeah -- you know people asking questions and i am like throwing red meat and somebody said what more are we going to do about those gay guys in vermont and ahh! and i just stopped and said, wait, that was back when they counted on marriage. i said you care about gay guys in vermont? why don't we have a deal with
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them in vermont? we don't interfere with their life and who they married. we should not be worried about them. an amazing thing happened. you know you are right. and now it's a bullish event. the same thing with seniors and mika heard the story before where i got attacked of my first reelect because we voted to cut medicare, the rate of increase, everybody gotten attacked and a lot of people got beaten. i spent the entire campaign campaigning on why we had to cut the rate of increase for medicare. at the end of the campaign, glenn budger called me up, what are you saying to seniors? oh boy. why? he said i got the highest approval ratings among seniors
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of any republicans we polled for. i am just telling them the truth. that's what i don't understand about these republicans. you can tell your constituents the truth at town hall meetings. i am going to sit down with you all night. my kids? they'll be fine. i will tell them i will be home late. let's sit downright here. it's just like i talk to connecticut legislatures who supported a gun ban after sandy hook. they said these republicans and everybody was screaming at them said i just sat down with them, how did you do it? i just sit down. that scream and yell and we talked through it. i got them there. they didn't agree. they understood. katty, just sit down and tell them the truth and stay in there with them because they will at the end of the day, if you stay
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in there with them, they'll believe it. >> unless two things are happening, gerrymandering. trump is about trump. they may hear any argument that you want to give them. they'll still be loyal to him. it's irrelevant what the policies are and what the evidence is. when it comes to supporting trump is emotional and nothing will persuade them. you could have done a town hall all through the night and given them all the data that you want to show there was no voter fraud. in the end, trump made the big lie and steel a referendum on his popularity. >> and on loyalty.
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>> whatever the evidence. >> everything you were saying and this conversation is what's going on in georgia, georgia republican candidate david purdue. >> who by the way donald trump was responsible for his loss in his senate race. >> so purdue says he would not have certified the 2020 election results if he had been governor at the time. purdue challenging governor kemp in the primary told axios yesterday he would not sign the certificate of the information that comes out now. ridiculous. he did not specify which information. "they had plenty of time to investigate this. and i would not have signed it until those things." we don't know, that's their
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entire argument except that we do. >> except that we only do now and willie and i talked about it a lot. you go down with the conspiracy theories with people and you giver them facts they can't escape and -- i don't know, it's just how i feel. either that or they'll go what about the italian guy? it's always something. here is purdue making a fool of himself and has no shame and this is what fascinates me. i wonder what in the hell is worth debasing yourself to this point. >> yeah, our viewers are going to get tired of us saying it. the voting in state of georgia was counted three times by republicans, secretary of state by his team and including one by hand, joe biden won every time. i had the same thought and i had it so many times the last few
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years, what is a job's worth, how do you look at yourself in the mirror and how do you tell your kids yes, i don't believe it's true but i am going to say it anyway because i need to become the governor and united states senators. these guys have been successful on their own, you can go run a business or work at a law firm. what is worth this? how can you put yourself up and totally compromise yourself and tell a lie every time you open your mouth because that's the foundation of purdue's campaign. we know it was not fraudulent and in georgia where the votes was counted three times. >> there is a little bit of hope in arizona where the board of supervisors in maricopa voted unanimously to appoint thomas gavin to the district.
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galvin stood out of his sheer knowledge of what supervisors do and the issues they face according to arizona central. galvin joins the board at a time of intense scrutiny in the fallout of senate's review of the 2020 election results. he believes the county's election was fair and he knows president biden won in the county state and country. the maricopa county board of supervisors coprised of four republicans and one democrat who all denies former president trump's claims of a stolen election. >> i think what it may be in part if you look at the person who's ahead in the republican race for governor, just full on
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crazy. >> yep. >> what are they? they kicked out cindy mccain. >> crazy. >> completely off the cliff and they see their state turning blue. that's what they see happening in maricopa county, they're going blue and you know bluer and that takes a state of arizona. >> what they're thinking is, man, those democrats in washington are going so far left, this is our time to reclaim the state. that's what they are thinking. our people are so crazy on trump. it's not even right. they were withering against conspiracy theorists. >> yeah, i know it's good. we are not seeing these types of
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republicans pointing these types of antics and states that trump comfortably won in 2020. they're going to ultimately decide what happens in 2024. those states are wisconsin which we just mentioned, states like arizona, we are seeing it in place like pennsylvania as well. which is why it's so important regardless of political party, we have people of integrity who are focusing on running elections with integrity in those states and they're willing to push back against people in their own party and willing to do what it takes to uphold the integrity of the election. the other thing about recounts, these republicans are like let's do another recount. usually when you do a recount, the person who won gets it the first time. you usually gain votes which is why it's funny to see how much they try to repeat this process and how much republican funders
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and not just moderate republicans that are funding some of these recounts. they're going for get more votes for joe biden ultimately. >> this guy mocked the cyber ninjas or whatever, cyber dorks or something like that. they bring in people specifically to rig the process and they threw their arms asset in it. it's fair. >> still ahead for "morning joe," are democrats paying attention to this? congressman hakeem jeffries will join the table. mark meadows investigating the attack on the capitol says it will charge him for contempt of congress for ending his cooperation. also, the new tools revealed by instagram ahead of yesterday's
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senate hearing did little to stem criticism with one lawmaker calling the platform the new tobacco. here we go. what the company says it will do to address the harmful impact on young people. alarming data on the u.s. crime crisis with homicide race in at least a dozen major cities hitting all time highs. you are watching "morning joe," we'll be right back. "morning j we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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welcome back to "morning
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joe," a live look at new york city. the sun has yet to come up. i hope it's a beautiful day for everybody. >> so you are taller now than katty. >> i am good with my masculinity, i don't mind sitting a little lower. >> something for me to be taller than michael. it was confusing. >> we got it. >> i am liking it. >> all these republicans are running around and worried about more masculinity. if you are a real man, you don't even know it exists. >> michael. could you show me that picture when you were 15 or 20 that you were talking about? >> with the afro? >> oh, we burned it.
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i had an afro like -- th '70s was beautiful for hair and cool for clothing. >> i had a part on the side. >> you must share. >> we need the picture. >> willie and i will share our pictures. >> no. >> we'll do a pic-off. >> willie, do you have something you would like to share? >> nothing, it was a different times in term of my look and hair. they were lost in an insurance fire that i collected. >> i had some horrid, i can't believe what my parents let me wear. it was like the leisure suits first. >> come on. my mom dressed me in red tough
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skins that she got in the secondhand store. >> i had red shoes. >> very stylisstylish. >> so let's talk quickly about your dear friend and a guy i was lucky enough to know and love. fred hyatt, we talked about him the past couple of days. we knew him so long and worked with him. the thing that keeps breaking through, he's a great editor and great leader and even a better person. >> he was a terrific person. we all loved him. i knew him for decades. a friend and a colleague who started basically together on metro staff of the post. early 1980s and you know book
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clubs and intertwine and there were times he worked for me and i worked for him. he's just a lovely person. >> one thing, he took over editorial when it was basically 12 people in a cloister away from the newsroom and he was hush and quiet. he threw it into the department of maybe 90 people, multi media and platform and global around the clock operations and keeping of course with the way the media's business has changed. he did that and he did it marginally by hiring a lot of just possibly bright young people. he was a great talent and so of course my heart goes out to his wife and his kids all of us who
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knew him for a long time. also, to all those young staffers who idolized him and looked up to him. he saw their talents before they even did. just a great talent and brought on some fabulous people who are understandy devastated this week because we have lost him. >> talk about leadership. they talked about his last e-mail to fred, he was complaining and doing this and he's doing that and wanting some sort of affirmation and fred was direct but at the end i just
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loved that no, you are loved and respect. that's leadership. >> he gives everybody that sense it was empowering to everyone. not just secure in a work situation but empowered to do better. they want to do better for them. >> thank you eugene for that. i am going to get to other headlines, the u.s. search and general issued a rare public health advisory of the worse mental health crisis of young people. the nation top physician says young people are facing health effects and mental health by the pandemic. the 53-page report noted that the pandemic intensifies mental health issues that were widespread by the spring of 2020 and that there were significant increases in self reports of depression and anxiety and
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emergency room visits for menial health challenges. the surgeon general's advisory calling attention around adolescence mental health and social media companies to do more. do you see a whole bunch of different things coming together with social media being at the forefront here, phones and texting and internet and onslaught onto our very young children that stays with them until their young adult years and the pandemic. perfect storm. >> willie, i remember before the pandemic us talking about the epidemic of teenage depression and society and all things that's being driven if you talk to people that are at schools or run schools by social media, instagram, and the pandemic just
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made a bad situation worse. this is a situation that we have to come to terms with. these billionaires in silicon valley that are making billions and billions of dollars off of our children but don't let their children on devices in their homes that they sell to children. this is a new tobacco. we have been saying it for some time. it's not a quick fix. but, you talk to mental health counsels. this is causing mental health problems as much as tobacco causing cancer. >> it's a tough genie to put back in the battle. we had senator blumenthal. we'll play it a bit the ceo of instagram questioning among these very issues. how do you unwind this culture that we created?
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young teenagers being glued to their phones and having images kicking up to them 24 hours a day questioning who they are and they don't feel who they are. it's hard to grapple as a society and where kids live and their social life, how do you extract them from that in a way that don't take them out of their friend group. what can the government do? what the three of us all asked yesterday with senator blumenthal. what do you do with instagram and its impact. you can tweak the algorithm a little bit but you are not going to change this culture and society that we created where there is no going back. we are all on our phones all the time and as the internal documents and our speculation of facebook shows it has a devastating impact on a lot of young people particularly young
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girls. >> is there no going back on it? is that where we are? i respect what willie just said but if it's reeking so much havoc in our society and our democracy, we have not talked about because the story we focused on was the impact on kids, why are we putting up with this? why does this continue? >> it's a good question. what politically and legislatively can be done? >> it's a really good question. what can be done katty kay with tobacco? if they were pushing a product that they knew was hurting people and they have to be liable. i have a conservative, i am a free market conservative and i believe you let the market operate. one of the ways that the market is supposed to operate is that people build products and hurt
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people and liable for those products and of course you are in silicon valley. >> if you board a car and the seat belt was defective, you will be able to sue car makers. we rely on companies to keep us safer. i listen to hours of testimonies yesterday afternoon up in the senate, i did think we may be at a new moment. i never heard amy klobachar on the same page as ted cruz. every single senator who questioned the instagram's ceo yesterday was really tough on them. they demanded the data and they wanted to know themselves, give us the transparency, give us the data, what you proposed as a new safety regulations that instagram dropped in the middle of the night, they were scathing and they went nothing far
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enough, i felt they were all unite and all tough. if you are not going to do it and fed up with words, we are going to do it. >> michael, when you make them liable, suddenly, it's not our responsibility to figure out what to do. if somebody dies or somebody is damaged by their product, their lawyers have to figure out what to do with it. >> right. >> we are not going to be able to change their algorithm, if they are paying billions of dollars out in legal costs, legal settlements and fees, they're going to go, let me tell you why your algorithm is killing girls. why it's leading young girls to cut themselves. let me tell you because if you keep doing this, you are going to bankrupt the company. we don't know how to fix this because we don't understand the
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algorithms. they do. the second they liable and by the way republicans just spare me, it's called the free market, all right? you build an effective plane and it goes into the ground, you get sue. that's the free market. we need to make silicon valley answer for their misdeeds and make them liable like every other business. if they kill young girls, they pay billions of dollars in class action lawsuits and they and not us will figure out how to fix it. >> they will. here is a little bit of the rub when you throw the tobacco comparison. one piece of that was the fact that there was an immediate health risk that was acknowledged from surgeon general on. everybody was in the game. you don't have that narrative
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established or being established right now. >> this is where i am going. you are ramping that part of the country up. the second piece is in that old environment with the u.s. and all of that, not everyone smoked, katty smoked and i didn't. this goes to your point of the class action, when the broader community says what's happening to my children and kids, you won't let this happen to your own. >> that's right. that's what you are seeing senators responding back from home is more particularly the moms, they're on this sphere with their kids are saying y'all better do something about this. that's the part i am waiting for, when does the class action
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comes? how is that class formed? what is it formed around? what is the evidence is going to be brought? >> you got to be able to sue them first. section 230 has to be -- >> that where i am going. >> why you can't sue facebook and sue instagram because they are set apart from the rest of the business. >> so congress has to take the first step to open up what you just described. >> right. >> in terms of getting that pressure on. the pressure comes in from the hill as we have seen in these hearings and yesterday was a little bit of an out liar compares to what we have seen before in terms of everybody focusing in because the facebook conversation was a joke, right? >> but now if they do the section 230, they get that piece fixed, the rest of it comes into
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play. now the moms and dads out there have a mean to bring the action. >> and market force requires them to fix it. there is a reason why commercial airplanes in america stopped crashing every few weeks because you look at crashes, airplane crashes causing airliners to go out of business. get safer. >> industry does not protect against lawsuits as we see here. >> as airliners have the protection that silicon valley has, airliners would regularly be crashing still. >> why is that so hard to fix? >> i know. >> i get it. >> why are they not protected? >> all right, great conversation and coming up, another fascinating conversation, new data showing americans are still quitting their jobs at a near
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record pace. what that means for companies and the overall economy? what exactly is happening? also, president biden sells his signature infrastructure law in a state that he lost in 2020. that has he faces new push back on his vaccine mandate for private companies including for some democrats. "morning joe" is back in just a moem. moment. moment hey google. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [coins clinking in jar] ♪ you can get it if you really want it, by jimmy cliff ♪
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52 past the hour, americans are still quitting their jobs at a near record pace. 4.2 million people left of employment opportunities in october. that's down from the september record of 4.4 million. it still represents a major
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increase from the prepandemic number. february 2020, before the first wave of the virus hits, the labor department reported 2% of the work force quit their jobs in october of this year. that figure is nearly 3%, among the industries with the highest turnover, retail, arts entertainment and food service. >> willie, you know, -- >> we still have a lot of job openings. >> i got two words for you. work visas. >> if people don't want these jobs, let's get work visas out to people that love to do it for a year or so. >> it's a fascinating study how many quits. a lot of people decided to retire during the pandemic and reaccess my life, i don't want
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this kind of job but they made the calculation that they can get by without taking the job that they were working before. how that works out whether they saved a bunch of money the last year and a half whether checks came to the government helping them save their money and reaccessing their lives. this is a fascinating case that'll be written about and study for a long time where there is a surplus of jobs and you have a bunch of people who are out of work. >> a bunch of people who are making a decision not to go back to work and i think it's reassessment than it's anything to do with government. the pandemic changed a lot of people's lives of their attitude of work and family and home. >> i think that's great. which is great. people want to reassess their lives then i want them to reaccess their life.
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i also want if americans walk into the restaurant, i don't want to have the restaurant closed because there are not enough workers. this is a challenge for biden. we'll give you a thousand dollars to work at burger king. people look at that and -- look at what democrats are doing. >> the retail industry and restaurant industry, you are exposed to people coming in and many are not vaccinated and you have a sector of employees who don't want to be mandated to get vaccinated which is also a problem. i got a good friend in arkansas in a bar paying people $200 just to come for an interview. that's crazy. >> 4.2 million people left for
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other employment opportunities. are they working at home? leaving and hanging out and watching tv? they're doing something else. >> what i am saying is we got to fill those jobs. and if that means we have to put a lot of work visas out to get people to come to the country and work. that's okay. they'll be excited to work and americans can go into restaurants and -- >> this is why our work force demographically looks better of the european countries and other countries where they don't have a history of immigration because we keep on bringing young working age people supporting the economy and supporting all of us in our old age. it's a win-win. >> eugene and adrienne, thank you both for being on. great conversation, still ahead several developments in the investigation of the january 6th attack on the capitol on looming
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welcome back to "morning joe," it's thursday december 9th. and an adviser to the d triple c. and host of way too early, jonathan lemire joins us as well. we'll start with former trump's white house chief of staff, mark meadows who's now suing house speaker pelosi and the committee investigating the january 6th attack on the capitol came hours after the committee says it will move forward with plans to hold meadows in contempt for ending his cooperation in the investigation. he was going to cooperate, he decided not to. he was a no-show yesterday argued in the lawsuit that the
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subpoenas are quote "overly broad and undually burdensome." mr. meadows stopping us from getting the information we are seeking. the select committee will meet next week to advance a report, recommending cite mr. meadows for contempt of congress and referred him to the department of justice for prosecution. >> it's interesting mark meadows had been cooperating and he gave a ton of materials to the media already. it's like he is virtually signaling to donald trump oh i am going to attack my book and sue nancy pelosi because he got put in the dog house on a couple of days and he went on fox shows and talked about how great donald trump was. it's all sad and pathetic.
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>> when he retweeted donald trump calling his book "fake news," and he went on facebook calling his book "fake news," i think we saw where this is headed. he turned over 6,000 pages in trying to overturn the election. in a letter to meadows' attorney released yesterday, benny thompson outlining some of those documents that meadows already turned over. according to the letter, the documents include this, "november 7th, 2020 e-mails discussing appointment of alternate slates of electors -- that was to be provided on the hill. and the january 5th, 2021 e-mail
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having the national guard on standby. november 6th, 2020 text exchange with a member of congress appointing alternate electors in certain states as part of a plan that the member acknowledged would be highly controversial and to what mr. meadows said, "i love quit." >> so joe, it's all there in the 6,000 pages of documents that they're going to put together this timeline and see who knew what and who's talking to the president and who was along for the ride to overturn this
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election. >> it does team like the committee is going to be able to piece things together here. meadows is upset because they're trying to get more phone records from verizon or whoever the provider was. casting this wide of a net, don't up think, with confidence we'll have a tiktok of what happens with the 5th and the 6th. >> meadows have shown up down in georgia as they were counting the votes. there are so many things this committee needs to talk to him about. >> what's happening here is a lot of people from trump team is running out the clock. the closer they can get the flash point of testifying to the midterms, the safer they feel like they're going to be. these are delaying tactics and maybe he does not want to interrupt his book tour.
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>> i don't know. >> "fake news." >> maybe you can talk to mika about this. mika is really concerned and i am glad you are here today about democrats lack of focus on this. you work on a committee where you guys would have a benghazi hearing everyday. you would call people up and they would televise and you discover the narrative and you got hillary clinton up there and she testified a long time. you got her to say something she regretted later or people that supported her regretted it, it was constant. there was a hammering and here the committee had i think one televised hearing. it sort of, it's like two sedates for c-span. people looking at it thinking man, they really got to punch it
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up. what's going on? why don't they - this is something they should be setting up everyday that americans should be watching everyday interests because you had a group of traitors trying to overturn american democracy. you can put a few televised hearing about that and more than benghazi. >> oh my god, this is a frustration that i have talked about a lot, too. these people have made a deliberate effort they can run up the clock. they can use the system as it's currently structured. the system was never design to have this type of insurrection from within. and so they believe they can push this up and plead the fifth. >> why would your committee have done if democrats tried to run out the clock? >> we would have a hearing every single day. i was thinking to myself as willie was reading some of these evidence, why not have a hearing
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and present this information, every single day. make people show up. raise your hand and take the fifth, if you want to take the fifth, do it on camera. >> who's not doing their jobs? >> democrats need to be that aggressive. it's really simple. >> it's as dna thing. >> it is. >> okay, i am going to run this and i am going to burn everything from atlanta to the sea. 300 miles wide. if anything left growing, i am going to sought the earth so it won't grow again. i swear to god, democrats, that's how republicans think. that's how they focus. if you are going to fight a war, you fight a total war. >> who's not doing their job? >> think of the people who are on the republican committee, jim
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jordan and mark meadows and mike pompeo, that's the types of characters that republicans have, throwing bombs and issuing subpoenas and having hearing and making it a show. it was a deliberate television show that was choreographed. at the same time this was going on, the tea party was going after bannon, there were a lot of frictions and a calculated fiction that you take eye balls away from that, we'll put on a show for the media and the base and it worked. i think to myself, what if there were oversight hearings so at least some of the conversations can be about that. how have they have not hearing with mike pence? how did you feel when they said "hang mike pence." >> there is so much materials
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that's overwhelming. >> when you have those hearings, you show the video. the most powerful thing is not the words but seeing that video. it's hard for americans to look at that video. >> what's keeping the select committee from doing simple things. >> the thing is, karen, republicans want to do more than anything for americans to forget that actually donald trump helped lead the republican president helped lead an insurrection against the united states government. >> there are some mitigating factors here which congress has an aggressive agenda and they are trying to deal with uncertain economy that they have trying to deal with a pandemic. there is a lot of other things that are going on and so again this is, i do believe the biggest question facing us at
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this moment is the threat to our democracy but there are a lot of very, very urgent concerns right in front of the american people that the democrats are also going to have to deliver on. >> they're not even managing those. >> we are talking about that the last hour with adrienne. they're not being able to demonstrate the ability to deal as kurt says republicans did back in the day with benghazi. you have these squirmishes over here and the economy, okay, we are going to let those things play out but we'll focus the attention here. you are right, you got all these other issues but how are you focusing on the nation's attention right now. what are you waiting for and what point do you think you can then open up these hearings and have it come out everyday and then the american people are going to tune in, april?
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in beginning of the campaign season? when do you start that? you got to set these narratives up. you don't get out there, okay, everybody, we are doing this. it does not work like that. you got to lead people to that particular space. >> the thing is you have jonathan lemire different committee, chair people who can do hearings on inflation and others can do hearings on the supply chain and others can do -- i guarantee you when government reform oversight is doing a hearing and mike pence is coming up and having to watch a 45-minute video of republicans chatting hang mike pence and he's having to answer questions, when did i first hear it happen? what is your comment about donald trump revving up those crowds who wanted to kill you and your family? >> and holding them back and calling them now. >> with a tweet after he knew you were in danger.
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i am sorry, i think that would make compelling television and more importantly than that is something the american people need to come face-to-face with. it's a truth right now that they're not being, they're just not being confronted with day in and day out in the congressional hearing where they can get to the truth. they can see the truth with their own eyes. >> i feel all of us on the show used this a lot, every time we see new footage of the in insurrection it gets worst that we could not believe it happened. democrats have not tried to grab the headlines and not diligently doing here work, they are. there is been frustrations among fellow makers are frustrated about this.
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let's make sure we put the blame at their feet. as the select committee got roll ing, it did so slowly. they're trying to get depositions and alexander is not a boldface now like steve bannon or meadows. he's one of the members that stopped the ruling. he's going to be decomposed later today. there is some hopes there. but the pace of this continues on some fronts to be sluggish, steve bannon, the next milestone of his case is in july. which is of course later than a lot of democrats want to get this wrapped up. >> one televised hearing, i am sorry. >> one televised hearing. and what are we? 11 months into january the 6th. >> could i say something that i think is at least just as important.
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they are not dealing anything to prevent something like this from happening again. it's going to sound like a small thing. >> the house passed a bill that in part of the defense authorization act that would have allowed the d.c. mayor to call out the national guard on her own. she's the only, every state territorial governor can do that, but she had to wait for donald trump getting into the white house to call them out. drop out. it's out of the bill. they have not fixed the procedures for counting electoral ballots so there is absolutely no question how they are to be conducted. these are no brainers. they have bipartisan support and congress can't everyone do that. >> yeah. >> this is frightening and everyone possibly the next story is slightly connected. at least dozen major u.s. cities broke annual records for
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homicides this year. austin, texas, is seeing its worst years and portland, oregon and chicago leads with 753 homicides according to the chicago's "sun times." philadelphia is also on this list recording 500 killings to date this year, the highest since 1990. philadelphia's district attorney says the city does not have a crisis of crimes. >> we don't have a crime of lawlessness, we don't have a crime of violence, that's a category that includes gun violence. should people come to the city of philadelphia be fearful of gun violence. no. they should not. >> that's insanity. >> i don't know what his plan
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was? >> it certainly not the people of philadelphia. absolutely took him apart in an op-ed which we'll read in a little bit. let's bring in reverend al sharpton. >> michael nutter, he's singing your song. he's talking about and he said this white-wokeness is insanity and this wokeness on crime is actually leading to the deaths of brown and black philadelphians. words mean something and words
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matter. thousands of those names by gun wounds this year. he ignored the pain and he does not have the guts to carry those duties. he should turn things other to someone who's not trying to sell philadelphia on the false choice of having public safety. alex, if you could find the part of the op-ed where he talked about the white wokeness. that's the center of his argument. rev, that's what you have been talking about for some time. white wokeness, you got people never been to some of the most dangerous afflicted neighborhoods in major cities and they think they can read a couple of books on crime and decides what's best for those neighborhoods that are on the front lines of this epidemic. >> well, that wokeness, they woke up on the wrong side of the bed because clearly when you are seeing the kinds of murders
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that's going on and gun violence and to act as though that's not a crisis, what is disturbing about that is that if you don't see it as a crisis, you will not do what's necessary of making it a priority to try to stop that. you often say on the show that you can have two things at the same time, that's right. you can have police reform and fight against murders, homicides and gun violence at the same time. one does not contradict to the other as former men have said. one complements each other. we are not fighting against bad police to make excuses for bad citizens. in some way the height of bigotry to say we'll believe those communities alone. that's how they are. that's not a crisis. we are people that should have our lives preserved whether it's
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as bad cop or citizens like any of the community and to treat us in any way shape or form less is in my opinion. >> it takes a certain audacity of ignorance and privilege. i have to wonder what kind of messed up world of white wokeness. >> many of them are black and brown. i would like to ask krasner, how many more black and brown and others will have to be gunned down? how many children and teens have to die in record number to capture your attention and be considered a crisis. how many more moms and spouses
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and friends to shed tears in the lost of a loved one for you to call this a crisis. we have been talking about this for well over a year. i brought up david shore who did data for barack obama who said and i am sorry this upsets a lot of people when we talk about it. we sure talked about it and it upsets a lot of people, too. >> white progressives are are far out of the mainstream of a lot of democratic voters especially black and brown voters and sure listed all the issues and then the last issue that he said they're way out of the mainstream of black voters and hispanic voters is on racial and justice. here you this guy who is just trying to turn a blind eye to black and brown philadelphia being gunned down, there is no
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crisis. >> it's stunning. you again can not delegate us to that we must normalize that we got to live among this gun violence. i have done many urologies for gun violence victims. it does not have the same resonance with the so-called progressive. which is why i say progressive for who? progress we have not reckon or in cities like philadelphia or portland. that's not progressive. it's regressive and it's a way of saying to us in a paternalistic way, you can't do better. yes, we can and we must have police engaging into the community and stop homicides as well as police reform. you can do both at the same time. us must do both at the same
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time. but to have prosecutors tolerate this level of murder and many ways excuses is stunning and unexcusable. >> this is a growing story, we have been seeing this time and time again. >> and another pig part of the story are woke d.a.'s that won elections over the years. let's talk about your city and baltimore and how calamitous the rise in crisis there. >> it really is. the community is trying to get all officials from governor to law enforcement and everybody to understand what's happening in our backyard. it could at least come and talk to us before you go out and make this announcement and declaring what something is without knowing. what are the root causes and how
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is it tied to poverty, economy, criminal justice system? >> the community of color knows first hand and very well to the rev's point how these pathology plays out and how they impact their young and elderly and businesses and officials don't listen to them. they don't talk to them. they see it from afar and get the headlines and the scoop and making declaration and act like we are here now. let's just solve your problem. we figured it out. >> how the hell you figured it out. you have not talked to me and you don't know what the problem is. as the reserve said and particularly in the black community there is this notion among a lot of white-woke folks that we don't want policing that
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we are anti-police, no. >> we need police. >> who are we going to call when something happens? we'll call the police. what we want you to understand is we want the police to work within our community. we don't see them as -- we know they're bad cop and we want to work with you to deal with that. you have this mindset that comes in that we'll take care of it for you, don't worry. >> remain poor. >> we are sitting there going what the hell are you talking about? >> this is again for those who want to trace this story, it's been on the paper for a couple of years. it's been in the headlines for a couple of years. in new york city, i remember eating at 2020, the end of 2020, city council people saying defund the police? no. our people want more police on the streets, we want more police in our kids' school.
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we want our kids to be able to walk from their home and school without being shot or approached by drug dealers. >> this is been going on and on. this idea we talked about with homelessness. the inside of how most aggressive thing to do is somebody who's homeless and sleeping in 15 degrees weather. that's as insane as to say the most woke thing we can do is just you know leave the most disadvantage black and brown communities to themselves because we feel good about standing next to other white politicians and allowing people committing gun crimes in new york city to be back on the streets on the same day. >> there is no question when we talk about dealing with police funding. we are talking about making programs more effective,
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community policemen, not talk about eliminating what we need to have to stop the criminal behavior and now communities in the stock to stop gun violence and for people to dismiss the fact that we want our children as safe as anyone in any other community that we want our seniors to not be afraid to where they have to try to lock themselves in the apartment ith four or fiver locks on the door. act like we are less than human and we can not behave like other human beings and other communities. it would not be tolerated in other communities. it should not be tolerated in ours and certainly should not be dismissed. prosecutors say it's not a crisis because they're not in those areas that is
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disproportionately of gun violence. it needs to stop and plits need to be held accountable and those that applied them with guns. >> reverend al sharpton. thank you very mump for being on this morning and karen and kurt, thank you both as well. pretty diverse and frustrating conversation. multi layered problems. >> still ahead, more on the attack of the capitol including a report that some of the rioter may try to use police brutality as a defense. >> we got the video. . president biden clarifies what he is and not willing to do as the build up on the border with ukraine. >> two democrats joining republicans of posing the vaccine mandate. you are watching "morning joe,"
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31 past the hour, the senate passed a narrow rebutte of president biden's vaccines or testing mandates for employers. two democrats joining all 50 republicans in voting against the mandate businesses with more than 100 employees to require they'll be vaccinated of tested regularly for covid. the move is largely symbolic as it's unlikely to find support
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for a vote in the house. president biden promised to veto the measure should it make to his desk. gretchen whit mer calling it a problem of president biden's vaccine mandate. whitmer met with business owners and sympathizing their fears of labor shortages from the vaccine requirements. i know if that mandat happens, we are going to lose employees. it's going to be a problem for all of us. the question i have for you is, is it a problem without mandate? people getting covid or dying and often not showing up at work. that's one of the arguments we hearing for the statistics we are seeing because people want
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to feel healthy and safe when they go to work. joining us now is democratic woman shontel brown in ohio. her victory delta blow to the liberal wing of caucus including senator bernie sanders who campaigned for her primary. he joins us. >> congresswoman, it's good to have you. >> i am sorry you had to hear my wife yelling at me. >> happy wife, happy life. >> that's what they say. >> so just taking too long to get back in the room. we were here and i am glad to be here. >> it's such a privilege and an honor. >> i think i ran into you on one of your first days in congress. >> yes. >> how is it going? and the adjustment? >> it has been a world win. i was trying to find my way to
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the floor. >> did you? >> he did. >> very helpful. >> it has been an exciting time. many colleagues have been so receptive and i feel so supportive. i had a chance to meet with the president the second day and able to pass amazing legislation. we talk about the things that i campaigned on and being able to deliver for the folks in high ohio, i am doing things that i said in the campaign trail and two weeks later, we passed build back better bill. i am could not be more excited. i am looking forward to rolling up my sleeves to do the work. >> people concerned of rising
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gas prices and grocery stores, what about in your district? >> kitchen table issues continues to be the issue. when we are talking about build back better bill and the infrastructure and investment, those are the things that's so important. jobs were a problem prepandemic, we get this investment into reversing course and making sure we are removing them and improving the conditions. those types of investments are key, that'll create jobs opportunity and helping people put back to work and putting money back in their pockets. >> katty. >> i was interested to see that you introduced legislation on class sizes for students because
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i think what parents really care about is the teaching in their schools and the class sizes and what's happening in the classroom? how are you separating yourself from the extreme, hot head atmosphere of politics both in the democratic party progressive left and the right wing and the republican party. how do you keep it outfit the picture and staying focus on what your constituents select ld you to deliver. >> thank you for the question. i have some experience coming in this type of environment. i had the honor and privilege of serving both wings of the party. it's a common phrase. i focus on the shared values of which you would describe as labels have. that's been the formula to the success, looking at things like equity and trying to find compromise. i had a tremendous success in
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doing that. >> and i plan to continue to do that. i think the label tends to divide us but when we talk about the issues, fundamentally we all agree that we want to protect and provide for our families. when we start looking at those things, i think we have a lot more comments than that. >> let's get more political. >> you said a definitive tone about your campaign and who you are. you didn't deter from that from the campaign. i watched it from afar because nina turner, i have known her for a while and we had our squirmishes over the years and i have always enjoyed that. you came in with a determined approach politically, it broke away from the ongoing narrative inside the democratic party with rise of progressives poll if i
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can -- politics. how are have you been able to manage back at home. >> maybe some of those same tensions are going to be there because the more progressive wings of democrats and some one like yourself whose car got as you noted, a more moderate kind of democratic leadership. >> i appreciate that, too. i never embraced in any of the labels. >> i focus on delivering results prior to arriving on what i would describe as a national citizen coming here in d.c. we say all politics are local, i am as local as it gets. >> i started out three years as a councilwoman and three years after that, i became democratic party chair and also serves six
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years as a cuyahoga county member. what i was able to do was focus on the needs o the community, the needs of the constituents and to be able to deliver results for them. >> what i came here to do is help the president deliver his agenda and work with people who are willing to do that. if that means me working across the isle, that is what i am going to do. >> congresswoman shontel brown, thank you so much. child traffic does exist. one of our next guests explore how a conspiracy theories is so deluded taken hold in america. "morning joe" is back in a moment. ca only pay for "morning joe" is back in a moment
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our building better tools, they work here in the community they live in here firsthand and showcase how our bipartisan infrastructure law which changed their lives for the better came about because we work together. >> president biden promoting the infrastructure law in kansas city, missouri, and yesterday jonathan lemire, that was yesterday. he had a lot on his schedule today. what's next? >> it's also like today is a microcasm of his strategy. he starts off by saying this is a some what democracy. he's going to make the central case. they need to prover democracy can still work for their citizens and can be an alternative to the alternative
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hypocrisy. the president is also addressing that. he's got a phone call with the ukrainian leader, zenlenky. >> the president heads to capitol hill to pay tribute to bob dole. dole tries to get his agenda to congress. last but not least, it shadows everything this president does. covid-19, he's meeting with is pandemic coordinator as well over the omicron. >> what's the latest on build back better bill? joe manchin says it's not going to pass this year. >> there is a sense in the washington that the only person
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in town who thinks it's going to get done by christmas is chuck schumer who's still saying that's a goal. he'll keep a set here late last week if needed to get it done. >> pelosi said, look, let's not talk about the timeline importance just because they get it done at all. they are realistic and this will likely move early into next year. they know not just manchin or hold outs here who wants to spend a little more time with this. it's still priority. they don't want to let it slip too far. looks like the debt ceiling bill is going to happen. military happening, revisited after the holiday and recess and get it done. >> i imagined yesterday do support the bill and what it's going to take? it's still not written and we have not figured out the scoring exactly. there are still some things left
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to be done before they can make those final decisions. >> it would be accelerated process to get it done around the corner. the good news is when manchin was asked whether he'll support the package, he didn't say yes or no. the manchin's tea leaves we'll continue to read calling it for the 24/7 manchin camp. >> michael, you just heard what michael say, this is another example of how bad democrats have been in setting expectations. all year, this is one of the worst most botched campaign, you look at some of the things they
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passed, historic and infrastructure bill. far reaching covid bill. they gotten some -- >> it does not feel like it because all they have been doing is fighting in the halls with the press and making promises they can't deliver. people are screaming at manchin, support the bill, they are not finish with the language of the bill. he's been saying it all along. it's really complicated business speaking as if he was a legislature to understand it. >> i remember you are telling me a month or two ago. we are not talking about changing the tax codes or environmental codes that are extraordinary complex and complicated. this is going to take a couple of months to sort through and score and get the parliament. to he was telling me that in
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september and into early december. everything is yelling joe manchin, he has tofr police protection because people are so crazy going after him when he's been saying crazy going after him. he's not a tweeter, he's a legislator and has told them where he stood. so people are shocked? this is not on manchin. this is on the democrats that have set unrealistic from the start. >> they seemingly don't appreciate that point because of the various complexities. he has tried to be clear but everyone is setting their own timetable. so schumer is saying this and the basis is, no, that's not
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soon enough. here's the question i have for jonathan in terms of what he's hearing about this in washington on the hill. you can get democrats to stand up and say no to the president's mandate on business, right, but here is the narrative i'm hearing, you can't get them to say yes on reforms. when they see these actions being taken legitimate legislative reasons, the general public and within the base, how is that playing out for them? >> michael, you're right in this is an act of defiance.
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it is the top of the hour. 8:00 on the east coast. welcome back to "morning joe" as we look live at the white house on this beautiful day here in washington. it's thursday, december 9th. along with joe, willie and me, we have katty kay and michael steele still with us and joining the conversation white house correspondent for pbs newshour namish al sindor. she will be covering the biden administration and we are so excited about that. congratulations. with us congressman hakeem jeffries, chair of the house democratic craw cuss. great to have you on with us this morning because we have some interesting polling to look at.
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recent polling shows there are concerns with inflation. 14% list inflation as the biggest worry for their family, slightly less than the number of people who list covid-19 and paying everyday bills as their top concerns. in a separate poll from "the wall street journal," 10% of americans also say inflation is the most important issue for the government to address behind immigration and the economy. the top area of concern after the two issues were tied in a previous poll. >> you put together the economy which for americans that's just kitchen table issues and inflation and they're the runaway number one concern of every american. what can your party do to address those concerns? >> good morning. it's great to be with all of
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you. our focus will continue to be on jobs, the economy and inflation. and we've worked to create millions of good paying jobs. we've made progress with respect to the agreement led by president biden. fixing bridges, roads, mass transit systems, getting universal access to broad band and high speed internet. those are good paying american jobs that cannot be exported. that's important. you can use the tax code to help the wealthy, the well off or well connected. that's what republicans did when they passed the gop tax, or you can use the tax code to help working families and every day americans. that's what we've done. >> you look at the polling and it seems americans right now have a good deal more faith in
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republicans than democrats on economic issues. the margin is fairly wide. why is that? >> when we get the build back better act we'll do more in terms of extending the child tax credit and lowering costs in a wide variety of areas. particularly as it relates to insulin which will be extraordinary. 6,000 in cost, will lower that no more than to $2,000. lower health care costs and create good paying clean energy jobs. we have to do it but we have to talk about it and we have to talk about it relentlessly. jobs, the economy, and we're dealing with inflation. >> clearly the message isn't getting through at the moment. there's a new poll saying that only 42% think build back better
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will help people like them and that it will lower inflation. it is not that it's good for their own issues. >> when you look at the provisions, universal pre-k for 3 and 4-year-olds, widely popular. the extension of the child tax credit popular amongst the american people. and creating good paying clean energy jobs. very popular amongst the american people. we are going to lean in to the messaging because the work is being done and i think the product will show results, and that will be very important for
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the american people in advance of november of 2022. >> congressman, i have a two-part question. it does seem like the president's agenda is pretty popular but his own personal approval ratings are not following that trend. how do you -- what do you make that have? how do you connect those two things? and covid, of course, is impacting the economy. how much do you think -- how much impact do you think democrats can have on the economy if we don't get this pandemic under control? >> getting the pandemic under control has been the president's top priority and he's led in this regard. we've created, i think, a tremendous public health infrastructure that exists, vaccination rates continue to go up. that's significant. we're prepared 20 deal with this variant in ways different than what was in place. the commandser in chief was
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suggesting people inject themselves with lie son. >> a little bit of a contrast. >> and he's leading with science and the results are showing. >> and the current president's messaging is different. why do you think it's not supporting his agenda? >> i think we had three things hit, the delta variant, beyond the president's control. there was afghanistan where there were some bumps in the road and then inflation. that's a rough one, two, three gut punch. through it all as the american people are focusing on what the president is doing in terms of his leadership and his agenda, jobs, the economy, lowering costs for every day americans, those poll numbers have stabilized and i believe they will begin to improve
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significantly over the next couple of months. >> willie, as we look back over the past year, we look at joe biden's polling numbers, the congressman brings up a lot of great points. afghanistan was obviously a hit. i know a lot of republicans are looking at joe biden having the news conference where he said job well done. you can take off the mask. the george w. bush mission, delta came, nobody could have foreseen that. certainly inside the white house. afghanistan, delta coming back, restrictions coming back in place. inflation, supply chain problems, there have been a lot of obstacles that have been in front of this president and the democrats. >> yes, and many would say afghanistan was self-inflicted.
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there was a sense we've gotten through covid and talk of masks and mandates and that's affected them. the work the select committee is doing. some of the people are calling before them a story of people accused of assaulting police officers in the january 6 attack. that police officers used excessive force fending off the mob and their clients were defending themselves. this approach has gathered steam as defense lawyers have made their way through thousands of hours, some of which they say show acts of brutality by officers. they may be released at upcoming hearings and will reveal scenes of violators.
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so far six defendants plan to according police officer thomas webster accused of beating an officer with a flagpole and with his fists. argued as self-defense. i'll let you have a crack at that. more bradley how this work is going forward. the committee has what it needs there but do you think they're going to give more teeth to some of these subpoenas on call con cement of congress? >> we want to make sure the rule of law is more applicable. led by chairman thompson and liz
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cheney working together. this is how a serious investigation should be undertaken and that's particularly important now. you have members trying to find every possible excuse for what was a violent attack on the capitol, the congress and the citadel of our democracy. >> on the peaceful transfer of power. >> i wanted to go over some of these things. joe manchin was carrying around a card because people were saying nothing is happening. talking about what's happened over the past year. $900 billion bipartisan covid-19 relief act, bipartisan energy act, covid-19 hate crimes act,
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january 6 emergency supplemental, juneteenth, the repeal of trump methane emissions rules, repeal of trump true lender rules, government funding and delivering, investment and jobs act. all of those passed in a bipartisan way. there have been a good number of bipartisan bills. >> democrats have continued. he wants to bring congress together. the president said i'm going to be the president for everybody. and he's led in that regard. i do believe that as the facts
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on the ground change as the jobs come on line during the first ten or so months and the build back better act and lowering costs, high costs of lifesaving preskrix drugs, home care, child care, universal pre-k, investment in the creation of affordable housing will have a real impact. >> why are democrats doing so poorly? everybody in washington, d.c., thinks kevin mccarthy will be the next speaker of the house. >> he may have that fantasy. >> a lot of people are living in that fantasy. >> we'll focus on governing. they will make sure that we're
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in a strong position. >> do you feel like you can do that? >> i believe we will. >> how do you do that? >> we have to message and campaign aggressively like the livelihood of the american people depends on it because it does. and you can't hand the keys over to folks like gates and they will be running the house of representatives and they will not have the best interests of everyday americans at heart. >> where i see democrats to be, blunt, clueless, is on the messaging. legitimate accomplishments this past year. what you have cited, a
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significant number as katty mentioned, yamiche in her question, politics is how you make people feel and what you let them know about what you're doing. and what the american people are feeling and what they know about what you're doing are miles apart so how do you in the face of jim jordan, in the face of a potential speaker jim jordan and a chairman of the ways and means committee boebert or marjorie taylor greene, not just what you've done for the country but what you're trying to prevent from happening. >> i think we have to do both and that's the approach that we
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will take. one, we have to lean in to the accomplishments and the fact that we are focused on doing three things -- crushing the virus, delivering millions of good opinion paying jobs to everyday americans, and lowering costs. that's our focus. jobs, covid and the economy and dealing with inflation we'll have a great story to tell but walt disney once made the reference all of my best movies have my best villains. this is not madeup stuff. in the same way you had peter pan, great movie, you had captain hook. i think we have to tell the story of the protagonists,
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president joe biden and the democrats, and we have some pretty rough folks i don't believe have the heart. >> in my home state of florida, i wonder what you hear from your constituents. they say we don't know what's going on, we don't know what's being passed and they would not be able to recite senator manchin's card. are you worried that in telling the story of villains that your own accomplishments get wrapped up in that. you have all these bipartisan accomplishments. >> we do have to be clear. we're not talking about the republican party of joe scarborough, of bob dole, of john mccain, even of mitt romney
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and ronald reagan. that's not what we're dealing with. we're dealing with a very different, dangerous situation. so that story has to be told. however, i think we are focused on delivering, creating jobs, which has occurred on lowering costs now we're going to have to message with simplicity and lock in on these things we're working on. that's important, but we're going to have to lead with simplicity. >> do you think you will scare people to the polls? there were people in rural virginia scared to the polls,
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taking over our schools. there were people scared of donald trump and that's why they voted in large part for president biden. >> i think we have to lead with inspiration and accomplishment. that will be important. you look at transformational presidents over time. joe biden is an empathetic person. he's made for this moment. we keep hearing the same rumor. >> what? >> we just keep hearing that nancy may after build back better passes may decide to retire and you're going to be the next speaker of the house. have you heard that rumor, too? >> i have not. >> come on. we've all heard it. >> are you not in d.c.?
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>> who has not heard that? we've all heard that. >> my focus is on the people's business. listen, it's an honor to be able to chair the caucus one speaker at a time and we have a legendary one. >> she's amazing. >> when you think about what we are getting done led by speaker pelosi and joe biden with very different margins than around the new deal. >> she is incredible. >> my god, she and sam rayburn will go down as one of the most effective. who will follow her and a lot of people say it will be you. >> oh, my god -- >> look, mika. >> you can tell me later. >> let's just stay right there.
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>> barack obama and joe biden owe her flowers every single day. >> started politics at the age of 47 with five kids, right there. >> i'll finish with something that won't make mika uncomfortable. carrie meek, a legend. you were with a group of people who helped say good-bye to her. >> it was amazing to be down in south florida. she's part of a tremendous legacy. i think her grandparents were slaves and to go on and serve as a member of the united states congress to get big things done in health care and standing up for the people of south florida and being a tremendous inspiration is an honor for me to stand on the shoulders of a giant like that and it was wonderful to see the love and
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appreciation of those who had served with her. >> i served with her and loved her. what a joined. >> hakeem jeffries, thank you for coming on the show this morning. and yamiche, thank you for your reporting. coming up on "morning joe," senator brush aside promises to self-police, will congress step in to make the platform safer? the serious alarms over another way social media is putting children in danger. we'll explain that ahead. and as we go to break live pictures from washington. flags are at half-staff for the late senator bob dole who will lie in state at the capitol today. professional leaders will honor the former republican presidential candidate and world war ii veteran who served in
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challenging year i am very excited to close it out by competing in the pnc championship with my son charlie. i'm playing as a dad and couldn't be more excited and proud. woods and 12-year-old charlie will return to the course together next week, a repeat of their appearance in the family tournament last year. some are calling the team woods rematch miraculous, in late february woods was involved in a single car crash that threatened to end his golf career. >> i'm very grateful someone upstairs was taking care of me. >> reporter: woods has cited his children as motivation in his long road to recovery. >> it's been tough at times, yes. some dark moments but, then again, as i was making progress through it, too, i could see some lights and i can
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>> we are asking you have some empathy and take some responsibility. >> our kids aren't cash cows. >> reporter: republicans and democrats demanding to know more about how the company plans to protect its youngest users after internal research shared by a whistle-blower showed instagram execs knew the platform could be harmful to some teen users especially girls. >> you're the new tobacco whether you like it or not. >> reporter: instagram ceo adam mosseri on defense. >> we all want teens to be safe online. >> reporter: pointing to new safety tools like a take a break feature to stop endless scrolling, nudges to keep teens from dwelling on one topic for too long and soon parental controls to let adults set time limits for teens. >> there's no area more important than youth safety. >> reporter: some dismissing the moves as too little too late insisting congress needs to pass tough new regulations with new pressure after the leak
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in maxwell's own sex trafficking trial. her defense team argues the companionship ended and she became an employee running epstein's estates around the world. testimony from witnesses how knew maxwell in the early 2000s seemed to challenge that description. the former manager called maxwell the lady of the house and another employee referred to that property as epstein and maxwell's home. on the stand tuesday an accuser, carolyn, said epstein abused her for years during massage sessions that began when she was just 14 years old. she went to the palm beach estate two to three times a week, epstein paying her as much as $600 for each visit. carolyn said maxwell would sometimes set up the appointments herself. the defense pointed out that carolyn never mentioned maxwell when she gave a statement to the fbi in 2007. while she sued epstein and another associate, she never
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sued maxwell. >> our thanks to stephanie gosk for that report. all this week we have been featuring "the atlantic's" special issue devoted to american democracy in crisis, from the events surrounding the january 6th insurrection to the extraordinary republican efforts to prove that voter fraud is real. the magazine devotes itself to the real threats that america faces, but perhaps no issue is more important than the conspiratorial thinking that has led many otherwise well-meaning americans to raise awareness about child sex trafficking epidemic that simply does not exist. joining us now staff writer at "the atlantic" kaitlyn tiffany. her latest piece in "the atlantic" entitled "the children are in danger." also joining us for this discussion senior reporter at nbc news, brandie, it's good to
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have you both. kaitlyn, tell us, first of all, about the conspiracy that's being pushed here. >> this is sort of looking at the long tale of some really vivid conspiracy theories people probably heard a lot about last summer pertaining to child sex trafficking that was not happening via the furniture retail website. but it's become a popular piece of folklore now that there's several hundred thousand children going missing in the united states every year, not circulated as fact mostly on social media. and so then last summer it kind of set out to see how that looked in real life at a bunch of fund-raisers happening all over the country, a chili cookoff, a family carnival, where people were fervently promoting and believing in this idea there's an idea of child sex trafficking and children vanishing in the united states
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and that the government or the media is either complicit in some way or just willfully overlooking it or paying more attention to other things like the pandemic, or i also heard a lot about the media paying attention to the black lives matter movement instead of the missing children. there was tension there as well. >> so you write in part, kaitlyn, in this piece, as in previous moral panics, messages about the threat of child sex trafficking are spread by means of friendly chitchat, flyers in the windows of diners, and coverage on local tv news. but the present panic is different in one important respect. it is sustained by the social web, on facebook and instagram, friends and neighbors share unsettling statistics and dire images in formats designed for online communities that reward
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displays of concern. because today's messaging about child sex trafficking is so decentralized and fluid, it is impervious to gatekeepers who would knock down its most outlandish claims. the phenomenon suggests the possibility of a new law of social media physics, a panic in motion can stay in motion all over the country. well-meaning americans are convinced that human trafficking and specifically child sex trafficking is happening right in their backyard or at any rate no farther away than the nearest mall parking lot. of course child sex trafficking does ham and it is horrible. the crime is a serious concern of human rights organizations and governments all over the world. statistically, however, it is hard to get a handle on -- the data often misleading when they exist at all. whatever the incidence, sex
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trafficking does not involve tom hanks or hundreds of thousands of children. what is the point of this effort to drive this narrative? >> well, it's a great recruiting tool. relies on fund-raising, who is not going to jive with the message of protecting children? everybody wants to protect children. it's the one thing as we saw in congress yesterday, it's the one thing democrats and republicans and young and old and doesn't matter where you come from we all want to protect the children. you have to be careful who is being harmed by this. it well documents we had rallies for save the children rallies all over the country, hundreds of them in small towns from el paso to pal hassey, florida.
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it was a qanon rally, all qanon rallies organized on facebook and well meaning people that were going to bake sales and putting their children out there with shirts are signs saying i'm not for sale, and it's an easy way to recruit people into an organization that quickly makes them think there are child predators everywhere they look. it's dangerous. >> it is a recruiting tool. brandy, we were talking on december 7th, a couple days ago, about conspiracy theories that have always been with us. fdr knew the japanese were going to attack pearl harbor but he sat back and did nothing because he wanted us in a war. lyndon johnson killed jfk. bill clinton, the clinton chronicles, bill clinton killed all these people, according -- all these conspiracy theories, but they haven't taken hold. they really didn't take hold in
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this way because of social media. what's the counter measure to this when social media allows these lies to spread at such a rapid, alarming pace? >> i mean, you're right. conspiracy theories are as american as apple pie. we have social media that rewards the most salacious and often false content, and bad guys know this and utilize that. they misuse the platforms to further their goals in terms twhaf can he done. people can log off. i think that's what we're seeing at this point no matter what tiny measures facebook or meta or instagram or twitter wants to take, at the end of the day, the bad guys will always find out how to circumnavigate that content moderation because they're smarter and they care more than the platforms care more about keeping it off. again, this isn't happy news but my advice is to log off. >> kaitlyn, is there any researching from what "the
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atlantic" did that shows how people individually got out of these conspiracy theories? did you follow anybody who got into a conspiracy theory that there was this huge sex trafficking problem in the u.s. and republic liesed there wasn't? if so, twhachs the was the jour? >> unfortunately i didn't meet anybody on that specific journey. there were certainly people that i followed or interviewed high had made conspiracy theories a big part of their, like, instagram brand or facebook brand, and started to get penalized when facebook did essentially act to remove some of those things from their platform. that disincentivized it to a degree, no longer helpful growing an audience and couldn't be monetized in the same way anymore. unfortunately, like, that's more compelling than just deciding that everything you believe is potentially completely wrong and that your world view is totally out of focus.
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>> of course, this all started -- >> didn't make money anymore. >> yeah. this whole, we first learned about all of this, of course, brandy, when, when pizza game. supposedly hillary clinton and other people running a child sex ring and somebody actually showed up with a gun ready to kill people. >> exactly. when he did shoot in the establishment terrifying patrons and employees, he came out put his gun down, laid on the floor and he told police at the time, i had wrong intelligence. unfortunately we can't have a come to jesus moment like that for the thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions of people who still subscribe to that and i think you bring up pizzagate is really important, because the fact is, that qanon logged on to lies of pizzagate to grow its base. the people that really got into
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qanon early on weren't so much the donald trump is so great crowd. they were the, donald trump is saving america from a pedophile ring and recycled all of those pizzagate rumors again and it's probably going to happen again. >> again, showing one more way donald trump is so irresponsible and reckless when asked by a reporter whether he was saving the country from a child sex trafficking ring pushed by qanon, he says what's so bad about that? along those lines. >> thank you very much. we'll be reading your piece in "the atlantic" and thank you very much for your reporting and context as well. and we want to show you now live pictures from the capitol. this is where bob dole will be lying in state. of course, the republican, former congressman and presidential nominee died at the
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age of 98, and this will be the, the place, the location where people can give their final good-byes, pay respects to the late senator. >> including joe biden, who obviously not only is coming as president of the united states but also a long-standing member of the united states senate who served with senator dole. we'll be right back. at vanguard, you're more than just an investor, you're an owner with access to financial advice, tools and a personalized plan that helps you build a future
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"morning joe," welcome back. times square. getting a little dizier. >> a little colder. >> colder, busier as we move towards new year's, and some cities already canceling new
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year's celebrations across, across the globe. >> we're spending time in new york and d.c. more often and now just in time for the very cold weather. it's freezing out. >> it is. >> thank you. >> so, michael what have you learned today? >> what have i learned today, joe? let me see. let me see -- well, after listening to two members of the united states congress in the democratic party i reiterate my question, why can't you walk and chew gum at the same time? why can't you do your, your governing policy thing, and then, also, message about how well that's going and how successful that's going? so what i've learned is, they're still working it out. >> still working it out. >> katty? what have you learned today? >> very lucky today to have a sneak peek at that photograph. >> what i was going to say! very handsome!
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>> then and now. >> thank you. >> that is what we learned. yeah. >> learned the photo, yes. >> we learned -- >> talk about the photo. >> if you don't know what we're talking about rewind to 6:00. >> and robinson said less dr. jay and more frederick douglass. >> thanks, joe. thanks, joe, recounting conversations. >> well, it is a great look t. does you a credit. very handsome. >> i -- i -- i've learned that democrats have their dna, it's far different than republicans. >> just -- well -- >> instead of rahm emanuel going to japan they should keep rahm here and say, sick 'em! sick 'em. few democrats seem to have that -- i think, again, they'll adjust. they'll learn, but time is returning out. >> okay. that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now.
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hi, everybody. i'm aaron gilchrist in forrester stephanie ruhle today. it's 9:00 eastern and hered what's happening. later this hour former senator presidential nominee and world war ii hero bob dole lying in state at the u.s. capitol. we will take you there live. and a new fight over january 6th. trump's former chief of staff mark meadows now suing the committee for trying to carry out its investigation. that is where we start this morning. i want to bring in nbc's senior capitol hill correspondent garrett haake. eugene daniels politicos white house correspondent and co-author of the politic coe politico playbook and mark