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telling federal democrats that he wants a last minute push for troeting rights. they oppose changing the buster rule requires six votes to get anything past. can they find a work around like they did to approve the debt ceiling. christmas is just a week from saturday. on the coronavirus, cases and the number of deaths from the delta variant and grim predictions of an accelerated spread are making millions rethink their holiday plans. let's begin here in washington with nbc chief white house correspond der and garrett haake. also brandon buck, a former add
visor to speakers of the house. a big pif shot, but trying to pivot to voting rights, but what is the work around? >> in theory they both do, but they both want rule changes. they changed it when they went to a 50 vote threshold. so he has a long history of o possing the rule changes. kristin sinema opposes the rule changes because she doesn't want to have the republicans change it back in a few years.
build back better is a very challenging legislative package, and it is easy to see it there and joe manchin could wake up. >> i want to play something that senator john tester said, he is part of the group trying to come up with some way around this but still the same obstacle. >> i think there is things that we can do to adjust the filibuster to protect minority rights and not have the filibuster as snag is weaponized. i think it is important to have the conversation and bring people on board. it's not just senator sinema or senator manchin, it is about doing what is right for the country. >> senator sinema has been very difficult to read. >> that's fair. >> putting out another statement today again saying how she feels
about the filibuster. >> would a talking filibuster weaken it? there is different schools of thought about the best way to get it done, but the bottom line is that it is not just democrats having these conversations. both senators have relationships on the republican side, too. and they are in their ear, too, saying are you sure you want to do this? what if we're back in charge. it is a real tug of war on these issues. >> and they are just more likely because of all of the moves to move towards the voting. changing the secretaries of state and the officials that would be choosing, you know, who decides the elections, the state elections, we saw what could happen in georgia, and also the
presidential electors. what are they saying about all oaf this? >> and you're right about georgia. that is something they have front in center with some of the toughest laws passed. the white house is publicly striking a very different tone in public than in private. president biden was saying there is nothing more important than getting voting rights sepulveda pass passed. how do you get joe manchin to change his mind on this issue, and how does it get build back better passed. in the new year it will start to shift from policy to politics with the politics looming large. so i think while the pivot is a key campaign promise, something he wants to see passed, could it
actually happen. >> now you had the naacp there and other leaders on the virtual call. because they believe, and we heard this passionate appeal from senator warnock. if you could change the debt ceiling, he said to rachael maddow that it was a real moral dilemma, yet they can't do it to save the democracy and save the minority voting. >> that's right and what you see here at the white house here is, as you said, a public facing sport of underscoring of just how important voting rights is. but then you have officials facing private pressure from the organizations.
others saying okay if you think it is the most urgent thing domestically, you should be pacts like it, they say it is not just voting rights overall, there was states accused of targeting african-american voters. so you also hear a tone from african-americans in this country saying this is a party that needs to have our back, it needs to take us seriously, and the problem, of course, comes back to what garrett was talking about. it comes down to the idea that joe manchin and senator sinema has not been for changing this fill buls ter. i pressed him and said why not
change to at least cut out civil rights issues and he pushed back a lot on that issue. now we see a slow shift hinting that yes, voting rights can be something cut out and that it is a loop in the filibuster and it is echoing what jim clyburn has been saying for a long time saying we need to be able to figure out how to deal with the voting rights. we're going to go to the poles asking people to vote for them, but also facing a base that is looking at them saying what more could you have done to protect our voting rights. >> if my memory serves, the president is going to south carolina for jim clyburn tomorrow. and many people saying him his nomination, and it is clearly something he is going to be
hearing from. >> yeah, he said you need to figure out a loophole, a cash out p for civil rights and voting rights, but jim is the voice for so many in the democratic base saying this is a party that needs to understand that voting rights is the top issue. we have seen so many they have been really changing to see this. and they are wiping away, chipping away at the democratic norms in this country. so of course tomorrow the president will hear an earful, and i have heard an earful from activists saying they want to get more done. >> and i want to play what mitch mcconnell had to say today about the democrats. >> it is not about "voting rights" it is a naked power grab. i understand my colleagues are
frustrated they may not get to spend $4.9 trillion on their way out the door for christmas, but lashing out at the democracy, the supreme court, and the senate itself is not going to solve anything. >> so is there some part of the strategy that says we may not get the voting rights, but maybe wet get other issues? >> a lot of it is of their own making. you can't go out and say what is happening in georgia and text is the return of jim crow, a threat to democracy, and then just move on. voters are critical. he is rubbing, but look, i'm a democrat elected in georgia
because african-american voters came out for me, and if we're going to say we can't help you at this point, that's what is going to happen. they can't get their agenda done, the independents that were persuaded to support joe biden have nothing to show for it, and his base has been told we'll do all of these things for you and we'll have it delivered. and this is the problem that they're facing. >> and kristin, isn't that another problem with build back better now for january and february? the calendar is working against them. how are they facing that senator schumer is promising them christmas, but it will look like a defeat. >> if you think about the past
two presidents, they went into the christmas holiday, the winter holiday season with big wins under their belt, for former president obama, he saw the senate pass obama care, and for former president trump tax reform in that first year before the holiday began. and so he is starting this new year on the defensive in that regard, andrea. so based on my conversations in the west wing, they are feeling frustrated with this process. they're saying january and february, and garrett is shaking is head because law marks are not giving that same time line, and it is tougher each passing day because of the midterms. >> and if they keep waiting and waiting to get it done before they schedule the state of the union, are because, by the time -- well, you know the calendar.
>> right, and we don't know what date their eyes yet, but it could be another factor and the date that it is delivered. >> i think that both of you on your beats will be pretty busy. and we have breaking news, this time from haiti. a sigh of relief from some families just before the holidays. they confirm that the gang responsible for kidnapping the christian michigan nations have helped some of the people taken. christian aide ministries released a statement in the past hour writing in part "join us in praising god that all 17 of our loved ones are now safe. we hope to provide information
as available." no word on whether or not the hostage release had anything to do with payments. and storm warnings coming up, more severe storms are moving into his state, first a world at risk which countries stop a new risk and what can be done to pep, this is andrea mitchell reports on msnbc. a mitchell reports on msnbc.
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the news from afghanistan is growing more dire by the day. today the associated press is showing that the hospital system is on the brink of collapse. meanwhile more than half of the afghan population of 22 million people are close to starvation according to a recent un report. all of this along with decades of war putting afghanistan on
top of the new list of countries most at risk in the coming year. joining us now is the ceo of that committee and he is also the british foreign secretary. so let's talk about afghanistan and the tragedy there. completely predictable, i should say. what should the global community be doing to help, and you have the resistance from the u.s. side to do anything through the taliban. that would suggest recognition of them as the lijt government. >> you're absolutely right, this is a predictable crisis. we warned on your show in august and september that military withdrawal would be followed and there could be a humanitarian catastrophe. if you freeze the assets, if you
don't pay the salaries of teachers and nurses, and nine million people are on the brink of famine. always this is predictable, it's not a necessary one. and the argument that somehow the u.s. is going to empower the taliban or make them more popular by stopping mal nutrition seems to be rather level headed. it is not just a carve out, but they have it in their power so allow the institutions to have it in their power to allow the medicine to be used.
and let's be absolutely clear about this, the u.s. will get the blame if the u.s. does start. so it is imperative that it is saved. as you rightly said, it tops our report that we published questioned and 240 million people are in need and that is a political emergency. >> will there be pressure in the uk, those that are so deeply involved, to do more? >> not enough. there is a terrible truth. you are happy to use the word afghanistan, i think it is important that we talk about afghanistan, but too many countries don't want to hear the word again. the country is groeken, and it
needs it to be involved again. this is a humanitarian crisis that has been man made. the u.s. allowed some carve outs, but it needs to do the same for the u.n. sanctions this is money going to pay salaries of human turn aide workers. this is not about money for the taliban, it's about money to save people threatened by not just misery, but literally starvation. >> it is indefensible. and i also want to talk about ethiopia, something barely
covered, and yemen. >> yeah, it generates data that there are 20 countries that contain 90% of the world's humanitarian trouble. and there is a system failure, that means the state is failing, diplomacy is failing, the legal regime is failing, so they are being failed, and the humanitarian aide can't keep up. in the end, the humanitarians, we, we can diet, but we have to staunch the killing. >> thank you so much for your passion and for carrying this birdie that all of you carry in the humanitarian sector. >> thank you very much, it's great to have your interest and
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in just a few hours the president and vice president will be meeting with the covid response team. while the delta variant continues to be responsible for most of the surge in cases and deaths, today the cdc is predicting that by the end of christmas week, the variants will be fuelling a major surge and will be at war with each other for dominance. joining us now, dr. saline. thank you for joining us. these are great predictions. i don't need to tell you that new york is a hot spot now. we have seen that nyu, new york university, is now going to virtual classes, and requiring boosters after the christmas
breaks, i think cornell went strir chul yesterday, and so redefining what fully vaccinated means. >> we know it is highly infectious. it is able to spread more easily from person to person and more people will become infected and the other thing that we know is that it is immune abating. you really need to be fully fax nated and fully boosted. we're still seeing breakthrough infections for people that are triple vaccinated. i think the clear mess an here is that the vaccines are still preventing decide and death. so that is critical, even if you
have mild cough and cold symptoms, the vaccines are still working and this is still a win. >> especially with the breakthrough cases, let's talk about bill deblasio, an advisor, saying he has never seen an increase in cases, transmisability of the omicron is one of the big factors there. and we have been sharing notes on this. we're concerned about the rate at which the virus is spreading, how quickly it is shooting up, and it seems there are certain things about this variant that are different. we're seeing higher levels of virus in the upper airway, lower levels in the lung, and that may explain why perhaps the variant could be a milder infection.
it won't cause as severe of a disease, but it could be highly on day outbecause there is a lot of virus that you could be spreading around? >> does that mean people may not need ventilators as much? we still don't have definitive data on the variant. so that doesn't say how severe of a disease it could cause. so far the signs point to it being milder, to causing fewer of the severe cases requiring vent nation, but we're still waiting for more definitive data on that. >> the new york governor has just been speaking on this, let's play a little more. >> did anyone hear what i said today about the situation we're in? this is a health care crisis, and people are going to die.
that's not hyperbole. i would not have to have a mask mandate if people got vaccinated. >> this is similar to a warning that dr. fauci has been given with this piece of advice that you heard before. it bears repeating. >> like the number one thing right now if you're watching this and saying what should i do, if you're not boosted, get boosted. is that your advice? >> absolutely, chris. there is no doubt about that. the data are overwhelmingly strong. >> another thing that we're seeing is the focus on j&j on the blood clot issue. a panel was meeting over that and that risk. is this a routine re-examination
of the risk, or is this something that has more concern lately. >> this is a re-examination of the risk which is appropriate. i think one keymessage is you absolutely should get boosted if you got the j&j single dose. we're seeing the j&j vaccine is not holding up as well. if you're two months out from your johnson and johnson shot, you really want a full protection against the variant. >> thank you very much. an angry outburst. the final tax credit payments are out. and future checks are now raising questions on the hill. i'll talk to congresswoman debby dangle about it. dangle about it.
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parents around the country have been seeing extra money in their bank account since july. the last of the payments went out in january. it expires unless the president's build back better bill passes the senate or potentially a stand alone bill which the speaker is not in favor of. however they want it paid over ten years and that would bring the cost to 1.4 trillion dollars. yesterday my colleague asked a single mom what the monthly checks mean to her. >> i'm like so many of the 40 million other people in america that struggle paycheck to paycheck to get our needs met, and for the first time ever i was able to pay all of my
utilities and my rent and made sure that kids have glasses and clothes for school. >> joining us now is debby dingle whose district is very largely dependent on these kinds of payments as is the rest of michigan. congresswoman, talk to me about the senate democrats that want a short firm fix. why is it so important that it not expire. >> it is i met with a group of parents awhile ago and one woman said i was able to buy a bed for my child. and people don't realize that there are really families that can't afford to put food on the table. they're trying to get jobs but
they can't find child care, but this money made the difference if is much broader for me and i had multiple conversations with joe manchin. he is somebody that has been a friend for years. it is the second time in a week that we're having very high winds. the kind you see in the midwest. the tornadoes of last weekend. we have 60 mile winds again in is coming from global climate changes. electric vehicles is part of the build back better plan, and i just met with a group of seniors before doing this and they want to be able to stay in their own homes when they get older. and maybe they need a little care. we have so many things that make a difference in people's lives, and we have to get it worked out
because there are too many peoples lives that are kbakded in this bill. >> right now, senator schumer is at lunch saying it's not going to get done before christmas. and we were just talking at the top of the show with kristin and garrett, and as the months go by, getting closer to the midterms, is it ever going to get done? >> so this can kind of cut both ways. at people are understanding, we're -- i'm certainly talking and other democrats are telling people what is in that bill. we have done, and we're turning for the fourth time with covid, and people are desperate when they don't know what is in the bill. i think president biden has been over 100 hours since he was last in michigan and spent time with senator manchin.
but at some point he has to sit down with all of us. . >> what about voting rights? we have senators saying that nothing could be more profound than supporting the democracy which they believe is being challenged. >> i heard a lot of discussion about the rights, and i just got home this morning, i left washington at 6:00 a.m., and the discussion has been more focused on voting rights in the last few days than i have heard in a long time and it is very serious. we're approaching an anniversary of january 6th.
we have to ensure people and make sure they know the credibility of their vote in november is strong and solid. we have people undermining people's confidence. we need to make sure that people are not able to under mine the very most fundamental thing in our constitution which is a person's right to vote. and it is just snag is very important and you heard president biden in recent days talk about being open to looking at changing the filibuster. >> he has talked about it in recent days, but did he talk about it early enough and often enough over all of these months? i think the house has done their job, they keep doing their job, and they have to quit sitting
and figuring out where they're doing things. i know they thought of it as an institution, but they didn't think of it as a question where people would go, that bills would go to die, and too many things that the american people need, want, and they're counting on. and you just talked about two of them, build back better and voting rights. >> and i don't think you're too shocked at the e-mails when you were under attack that the president had to say something, as well as other e-mails about the plot, really, if you can call it a plot to overturn the
election. >> it is all about defending our democracy, but i want to say something, on january 6th, people were scared. i don't think that anyone thought that it could happen in these states. u i think the lack of civility, people attacking each other, not listening, this violence that we see on both sides at times, it has to stop, it really has to stop, it is starting to under mine the very fundamental mill pillars of our democracy. what you just showed happened in
the united states capital less than a year ago and we can disagree, but we have to do it in a way that respects each other and the integrity of every individual and the rights of every individual, and to do it in a way that doesn't disrespect anyone. >> thank you, let's wish for a happier new year. >> thank you, has to be better than 2021. >> indeed. president biden this afternoon will be awarding the medal of honor for three soldiers for their bravely including first class haas. also christopher celiz who put himself in the line of enemy fire in afghanistan.
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complicated because of more weather. we have been dealing with high winds and rain. and every time daybreak comes here the residents of the community have to see all of this again, and this effort hear behind me is not just going on for days or weeks, it will be months and the process of healing from this will take years. this used to be a beauty par parlor. you can see some of the things here still in tact. the hair washing stations here, a nail station, hair spray, and just over on the side right here, a little nativity scene, a
reminder that this is the holiday season. the salon should have been full of people getting ready for holiday she dreamt of opening her own salon for years and her husband built this with his own two hands a year ago. listen. >> i always dreamed of having my own salon. but for my husband to build it for me was -- you know, it is completely different when your husband takes the time to do something like that for you. >> and now that it is gone it's sickening. >> reporter: at the end of the day, andrea, they are just so grateful their family is okay. their two children are okay. and they are gonna figure out how they can rebuild. they started a gofundme page to raise funds for getting this place back and rebuilding their employees. everywhere you see devastation
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the defense is started making its case in the trial of kim potter, the former minneapolis police officer on trial for killing to year old dante wright after using her service weapon instead of her taser. she said that was a mistake. we could see the former minneapolis police officer take the stand soon in her own defense. she faces two counts of manslaughter after fatally shooted the 20 year old last april. joining me is shaq brewster in minneapolis. shaq, take us through whatever hearing for today and the expectations for when kim potter might be testifying sfl well andrea, we're still in the defense's first witness. it is their own use of force expert who is coming up and disputing what we heard just yesterday.
at issue, we know kim potter says she accidentally used her firearm instead of her taser, and prosecution trying to argue even using her taser would have have been inappropriate. i want to take you inside the courtroom and hear what the prosecution experts said yesterday compared to what the defense expert is saying today. >> the use of a taser under the circumstances was unreasonable and inconsistent with generally accepted practices. >> was potter's perceived use of a taser efficient with training and practice? >> yes, sir. >> and why? >> the basic model policy definition of when the device would be used is completely relevant here. grounds to arrest or detain and a reasonable belief that physical force and resistance would follow. that was happening right before your eyes. >> >> reporter: so you get a sense how the jury is hearing different things and it will be
their job to see which witness tay feel is more credible. you mention kim potter will take the stand am some point. it is not clear the timing which that will happen. but the judge did ask her earlier this morning if she stands by her decision to take the stand. kim potter said she did. kim potter and the defense presentation could come at any moment, andrea. >> thank you, shaq brewster. and paul henderson, is that the right move? what a good defense lawyer would do? police officers generally are very credible to juries. >> they are credible to juries, and there is really no choice in a case like this. they have got sell this story and make their narrative for the defense, which is essentially arguing that this was either a reasonable mistake or that the use of force, lethal force, was jufrd. and what prosecution will be
arguing counter is even if there is a mistake it was reckless or negligent which would lead to criminal culpability. and you will hear about the use of lethal force. the issue from prosecution is to point out and unpack to the jury how this defendant's actions escalated the encounter. and if she created the risk, she's not allowed to use lethal force. and now, as she has about to get on the stand, and she must get on the stand, she's going to have to try and sell an emotional plea i believe in response to prosecution's emotion. and this is something different that we didn't see in a lot of the other cases similar to this. we didn't see a case like this that was emotional from george floyd. but we saw prosecution specifically and explicitly end their opening with an empty jacket from the victim. so defendant is about to get on the stand and she must, and get your tissues ready and expect
the tears. she's going to make an emotional plea. and this is a professional witness. she has spent 26 years testifying in courts. in addition to her training, she's been in court, she'll be ready for those questions that are going to come. i expect her to be emotional, to try and sell her narrative of how this was just a tragic mistake, and it will be prosecution's duty to address that and what they won't get to, probably, is the subjective and trance gent decisions that are made in policing dealing with race, which i think is looming as the elephant in the room in the conversation that we're having here and with policing. because keep in mind officers aren't supposed to shoot and kill you even if you have committed a crime. so all of that is coming and all of that is going to be a lynch pin for her testimony. i'm pretty -- pretty certain that the testimony though is going to be what i believe is going to be a lot of tears to
try and persuade the jury according to defense council's reasoning. >> thank you very much. we will wait to see, of course live coverage of that and that does it for the edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow us online on facebook and twitter. chuck todd starts right now. if this is thursday democrats were hoping to shift focus to voting rights lengths, as president biden's build back better agenda is put on the back burner. and all while his covid response is once again front and center. and as democrats debate midterm strategy, i'll speak with the chair of the democratic governors association who is urging the party to focus more on the issues and less on trump. and later this hour, three u.s. soldiers will receive the