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for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports". follow us online at facebook and twitter. garrett haake is in for chuck todd with "mtp daily" right now. if it's monday, democrats at the white house and on capitol hill try to pick up the pieces after joe manchin sends president biden's social agenda crashing to the ground leaving party leaders furious. and as another major crisis feys president biden, omicron. the variant is spreading like wildfire with one top administration health official warning we could see up to 1 million new cases every day here in the u.s. and later, we'll head to the courtroom in minneapolis as the jury prepares to decide the fate of expolice officer kim potter who is charged with shooting and killing daunte wright.
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potter said she thought she was grabbing for her taser. welcome to "meet the press daily". i'm garrett haake. it's a little bit of a nightmare before christmas scenario for the president and his party right now. their social agenda has collapsed taking the climate agenda with it and covid is spreading like wildfire. how they plan to dig themselves out of this worsening political hole headed into a midterm year is the most urgent question facing democratic leadership in this moment. it comes as democrats everywhere are furious with senator joe manchin for pulling his support of the president's social agenda. after months of drawn out negotiations, manchin declared in no uncertain terms during an interview on fox news that he cannot support the president's build back better agenda. >> if i can't go home and explain it to the people of west virginia, i can't vote for it. and i cannot vote to continue
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with this piece of legislation. i just can't. i've tried everything humanly possible. i can't get there. >> you're done? this is a no. >> this is a no. on this legislation. i have tried everything i know to do. >> and in case that left you with any doubt, manchin reiterated his opposition in a local west virginia radio interview this morning. if you want a sign of just how much the white house's relationship with manchin has deteriorated, biden officials tried to get manchin on the phone yesterday to talk him out of pulling the plug, but manchin declined the call according to a source familiar with the matter. then the white house responded with that blistering statement on manchin, basically accusing him of lying to the president's face during their negotiations. the majority leader schumer is meanwhile vowing to put this now doom to fail legislation on the floor anyway. in a letter to senate democrats this morning, he made his frustration with manchin clear. writing that the vote will
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happen, quote, very early in the new year. so that every member of this body has the opportunity to make their position known on the senate floor, not just on television. okay. and over in the house, progressives are openly rebuking speaker pelosi's leadership team for allowing manchin to exert so much power over this process in the first place. things are an absolute mess within the democratic party right now in terms of the president's agenda. all of this as the white house braces for a record wave of covid cases and hospitalizations. with one of the administration's top doctors warning we could see up to a million new cases every day. it's a lot to talk about. let's bring in mike memoli outside the white house. julie sirken is in charleston, west virginia, and sahil kapour is on capitol hill. there was a lot of anger in the white house. we saw it in the first statement yesterday. what's the mood today?
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how are they trying to pick up the pieces and move forward on something? >> reporter: yesterday was a day as was clear in the statement. it had the president's sign off according to our reporting. letting off of steam, let's say. and today the question is whether there's anything to salvage here. one of the most sort of difficult balancing acts this white house was trying to do throughout the year with that two-track agenda, the bipartisan infrastructure bill, the larger reconciliation measure that many people had their doubts about, whether it was going to be successful was a larger sort of microcosm, the effort biden has been trying to work all along, which is with narrow majorities in the house and senate, can he keep the democratic party together on very big legislation? now, the one thing that seems to be unifying the party at this point is sort of outrage and shock at senator joe manchin. but what we've heard from the president throughout this process is as he's put it, several times, joe will be there in the end. that they knew it was going to be difficult trying to get him on board, but as the president, again, put it, joe will be there
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in the end. the question now is was that always perhaps just a bit naive. when you hear the senator's comments this morning, was the pressure on him? was this simply the white house strategy all along just to hope that he would feel ultimately that he couldn't go against the president couldn't go against his party? was senator manchin telegraphing the signals all along about what he could and couldn't support. and the white house wasn't listening? you could look at the key decision about whether to do a lot of things on a shorter timeframe or to fewer things on a longer tame fraim. that seems to be clearly what senator manchin is signaling now. in the statement from jen, it came as close as you'll hear this white house get to questioning somebody's motives which is what joe biden throughout the time i've covered him as said has been his recipe for success is not to question somebody's motives. you can question their judgment but not motives. it ended that statement yesterday by saying we hope we can basically get the senator to change his mind again which is
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its own sort of loaded line as it were. but that is really what the white house is focussed on today is figuring out whether and trying to decode what the senator is saying in public to see if there's some path moving forward. >> speaking of what the senator the talking about in public today, i want to play what he said suggesting it was basically biden's staff's fault this fall apart. >> i goth to the wit's end, and they know the real reason what happened. they don't tell you and i'm not going to because -- >> wait, wait, wait. you say -- wait, wait. you said they know the real reason. >> the bottom line is there is basically it's staff driven. i understand the president. it's the staff. they put things that were incluzable. they know what it is, and that's it. >> i think there's more to unpack there than we could do in this whole show, mike, but you and i are reporting this out
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last week. we knew the negotiations weren't going especially well. how does the white house feel they left it? what do you think is going on here? >> there are two ways to read what the senator -- i keep almost saying president. that's what a lot of democrats are wondering here. one is to say perhaps senator manchin wanted more one on one face time with the president, that he is in the seat that was once held by senator robert c. byrd, a protector of the prerogatives of the senate, and president biden knows that full well as somebody who served with senator byrd. was this about maybe the president not being as engaged throughout this process as much as staff? but the one way that the white house is choosing to read his comments today is that by singling out the staff and not the president himself, it's signaling there is still an opportunity to put this back together if the president and the senator can patch this up one on one. but i think one of the reasons why the white house was so surprised by this yesterday is the timing.
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there is no legislation to vote yes or no on just yet. we were still waiting for the parliamentarian. there were weeks still before we would'ven get to that point. so the question of why he chose this moment is one that they're still trying to answer more than anything at this point. >> well, to your point about biden saying manchin would be there in the end, it just may be that manchin decides when the end is. julie, you're in west virginia. joe manchin doing his local radio rounds this morning here. what more did we learn about what was behind his decision and what steps, if any, democrats might be able to take next? >> well, look, democrats certainly have gotten coal in their stockings for christmas, but i've got to tell you senator joe manchin, we know from covering him every day, he's not going to be swayed by what other democrats are trying to pressure him to do. he keeps talking about his constituents at home. even today on the radio show, he said he's from west virginia. he's not going to get bullied into supporting something just because they're send progress
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testers. he said they're sending activists, but as we've been standing here all morning, a bunch of people have come up saying i'm with joe, and the joe they're talk act is not president biden. it's senator manchin who they're backing here, and you know, in a county, in a city, in a state that over the last couple of decades has shifted more and more to the right, more and more red, and away from blue and away from democrats, senator joe manchin here has been a figure in the governor's office, and in washington, and people back him here. at the same time, i've also heard from people on the other side of this who are saying he's out of touch who are life-long west virginians. a lot of them talking about the child care tax credit, something they need. prescription drug pricing. west virginia has an older population. it's an aging community. a lot of people rely on lower drug costs and so on. they're looking at build back better as the only shot to get
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the things they desperately need. >> that's fascinating stuff. all politics are local. and every time a progressive house member goes after joe manchin, it probably helps him a little bit back home and makes this very difficult for congressional democratic leadership to figure out what they want to do. which is where we turn to sahil. build back better is dead at least for now. where do democrats go from here to try to get any of the agenda items that were in there. climate, paid family leave, child tax credit and enact it into law? >> they're going to try to salvage something out of this. the way forward based on senator manchin's comment is to basically shrink the bill to a few programs and have them funded over a ten-year period. the breaking point for manchin seems to be the build was loaded with gimmicks that a series of provisions that were set to expire over the next year or two or three, and that masks the real cost for him.
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this is what democrats spent yesterday talking about. what could the programs be? one of the big casualties of this bill is likely to be the child tax credit. the 250 to $300 payments. those are very expensive to do over a ten-year period. that's why this bill has passed by the house for one year. if that goes, think what it means for the democratic party. they have been brag act the fact that they lowered child poverty by about a half over the last year. about 50%. it's likely to go back up if this child tax credit is not extended. that's going to be hard to do. there are things like aca subsidies, climate change funding. work force and development grants identified by the chair of the moderate new democrat coalition which got an approving nod on twitter from white house chief of staff ron klain. there is a way to potentially salvage this, but they're going to have to make painful sacrifices, and if democrats don't get anything out of this, it's hard to imagine how they go to the 2022 elections and have a
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compelling case to voters. the infrastructure they passed, the bipartisan transportation bill, that's significant, but i've never met a democratic strategist who believes they can win an election based on roads and bridges. >> sahil, it's interesting. it feels like a little thing, but how relationships work, especially in the senate can be so important. we have watched from the gallery as joe manchin spends most of his time on the floor buddied up with john thune and a group of republicans on that side of the chamber. how he gets along with folks tends to matter in terms of how he acts. i wonder if you think the relationships between manchin and the rest of his party can be saved. they are so important, and we saw the gloves come off in the democratic caucus in the last 24 hours. >> there is no doubt that there's been a huge communications failure, a breakdown between the white house and democratic leadership on one hand and senator joe manchin on the other hand. we both know having spent most the last year covering joe
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manchin, we can be fluid in the way he talks. he's not always explicit or clear about what he wants. there are categories of things he said which can be preferences and him musing out loud. and then there's a cat dpoir of things that are a red line. it's not always easy to see one from the other. clearly the white house was unclear. broadly, this is the irony of the situation. democrats have 99.3% of their memberships in congress on board. there's one opponent in the house and one in the senate. one member of the caucus in the senate can send the entire party into disarray. that appears to be what happened. that gets to the hand that democrats are playing the difficult hand that democrats are laying with the wafer thin majorities and a very high expectation by voters based on the promises that joe biden came in campaigning on that he was going to be able to deliver. it's going to be difficult to deliver these programs, but again, it looks like they're going to try. chuck schumer promised there
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will be votes one way or another. it looks like they're going to try to value sa vaj something. if not, it looks like they're going to make manchin vote this down on the floor for everybody to say. >> a difficult way to end the year on the hill. coming up, the end of the year democratic disaster is not helping vulnerable democrats up for reelection, and even more are headed for the door today. we'll talk manchin, midterms and messaging with the democratic congresswoman in a trump district who is opting out of running again. and later, an update from outside the courtroom in minneapolis as the fate of excop kim potter will soon rest in the hands of the jury. you're watching "meet the press daily". ily" visibly diminish wrinkled skin in... crepe corrector lotion... only from gold bond. ♪♪ ♪♪
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welcome back. as democrats here in washington try to pick up the pieces of what's left of biden's social agenda, two more house democrats are headed for the exits. just a little more than an hour ago, stephanie murphy announced
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she would not seek reelection. and another is expected to retire. siraz represents a safe seat, but murphy represents a key area in florida. that's the 21st and 22nd house democrat to hang it up ahead of the midterms. with biden's agenda dead on capitol hill and covid resurgence, democrats are looking at a very, very steep climb to hold onto control of congress. joining me is the former head of the democratic congressional campaign committee. congresswoman, i have to start with the news of the day with joe manchin. nobody was asking him to vote on sunday. the senate version of the bill isn't even done. what do you make of his decision to come out as proactively as he did and effectively kill the house version of build back better? >> i'm going to look at it as it's a bump in the road. maybe i'm overly optimistic, but
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look, joe manchin is a guy who is a u.s. senator from a state that went for donald trump by 40 points. we've all talked about that many times. and to your reporters earlier point, even if we have 99.3% of our members who are in favor of legislation, it's not enough. and so what -- the way i look at this is we've got to keep talking. legislating is messy. the old phrase it's like watching sausage get made, and that's kind of messy business, but look, i think we'll get this done. it might not be in the existing form. in fact, i don't think it will be in the existing form. but you know, if we as democrats, continue to oppose chaos that is happening with many of our friends on the other side of the aisle. if we get stuff built, and we focus on more good paying jobs, we're going to be okay. and that is what we have to be
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relentlessly focussed on. >> manchin keeps saying -- >> he keeps saying that if he can't explain to the people of west virginia how this vote works, he can't vote for it. is that a copout from you? you're from a rural district. i think you could probably explain why you voted for build back better. >> yeah. of course i can explain that. and joe manchin voted for the infrastructure package. it was easy to talk about when you're talking about building roads and bridges and bringing high speed internet to rural areas. the build back better act is complicated. there's a lot in there. pre-k to child care to energy jobs. there's a lot in there. and it's complicated. but look, the way i approach the job that i have in a district that is 85% of the towns here are 5,000 people or fewer, is i go out there, and i try to use my one mouth and my two ears
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proportionately. that means i listen to folks, and then we have a dialogue. i don't think it's a whole lot different with joe manchin in this case. we have to continue to sit down and talk to joe manchin, see what he can be in favor of. see what components can he get his arms around? what can he not? at the end of the day, we need 100% of democrats in the u.s. senate to be able to pass this. and that is the political reality of where we are right now. >> so in the face of that political reality, we've seen a lot of anger at manchin yesterday, including some from the white house. part of their statement i want to read to you. it says maybe senator manchin can explain to the millions of children who have been lifted out of poverty in part due to the child tax credit why he wants to end a program that's helping achieve this milestone we cannot. that's not from a fire-breathing house progressive caucus leftist. that's from the white house. i mean, how much more difficult will it make it to get everybody back at the table when there is
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so much anger right now in the caucus at this one member? >> the way you led into the segment, you talked about messaging. that's what i've done for a living my whole life, including in congress. i was a journalist for 17 years. i worked in -- health system for a number of years. and i've been in congress for ten years part of that time leading the policy and communications division within the house democrats. and so i think part of this is how do we talk about this moving forward? i don't choose to talk about it by calling out any member of congress whether it's in the house or senate by name. but to talk about things like let's look at free prekindergarten as one of the biggest -- >> congresswoman, as a journalisten, you'll appreciate me saying that's not an answer to the question. can you put the genie back in the bottle and get the senator
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back to the table? >> we have to. if we want to be successful with the build back better act, that's what we have to do. i think as senator durbin, the senior senator from my state said, you know, maybe if we go home for the holidays and have a little eggnog and have family around the christmas tree, maybe we'll come back and feel a little bit better about everybody. and we'll be able to move this forward. i don't think it's an option not to pass some form of the build back better act. and so i think joe manchin is a guy who wants to make sure that it's -- this bill is going to do right by the people he represents in west virginia. and i think we can get there. >> susan, the chair of the new dems has put forward the idea and was making this case earlier on in this debate, that this bill needs to do less for longer. that seems to line up with what joe manchin has said he wanted. no gimmicks. if it's a ten-year bill it should do stuff for ten years and pay for it for ten years.
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is that the kind of thing that might be a palatable way forward for the diverse group in the house? >> i'm open to that, but i happen to be in the new dem coalition. i consider myself a moderate, reasonable democrat. certainly, that is something that i could go along with. i think having universal pre-kindergarten is essential, and i think joe manchin has expressed interest in that. where it comes to the climate rescue proposals, we're going to have to compromise there. i think if we focus on the jobs and innovation and american competitiveness and talking about it in terms of clean fields and streams and rivers and skies, that's a way we can talk about it, and i hope it's a way that maybe joe manchin can get his arms around it. and i think also when we look at health care through a lens of better health care coverage, it being a baseline for medical care. i think those are some of the things that are the big ideas
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that we can continue to try to move along, but there will be no doubt, there will be some components of build back better that will have to fall by the wayside if we're to get this done. >> and last question. we talked about the retirements. 22 of them now including yourself. with folks like you and stephanie murphy now in florida retiring, can democrats keep control of the house in these midterms? how much more challenging will it be? >> well, i think if we start turning the corner on rather than beating each other up and focusing on what one member is going to do or not do or a handful of progressives or a handful of moderates, all of that, i guess, segmenting within our party, and focus on the big middle, you know, we've got a big middle in this country, and in my opinion, that's what we've got to focus on if we want to get the legislation cleated and if we want to make sure we're successful in the 2022 election.
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retirements are a part of the natural cycle. i think that's worth noting. but we've got to get a lot of things right between now and next november. it's within our control to be able to do that, meaning within democrats' control to be able to do that. but we've got to stay relentlessly focussed on people. the people who are working darn hard and just want to make sure that we're doing right by them, and that's got to be almost like our -- put blinders on everything else and just focus on what we're trying to do, working for working people. >> right. an optimistic congresswoman. thank you for coming and happy holidays. >> thank you. same to you. coming up, covid outbreaks in major cities. a shortage of at-home tests, travel concerns and more countries shutting their borders. we'll have the latest on the covid surge and the crisis response next. you're watching "meet the press daily".
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as well as congressman jason crow confirmed they've tested positive as well. all three of them are fully vaccinated and boosted and they're experiencing mild symptoms so far, they say. this is new york city this morning where folks waited in line for hours in sub freezing temperatures just to get tested. new york state has set a record for the positive cases three consecutive days with more than 22,000 reported yesterday alone. in other parts of the world, israel just barred the citizens from traveling to the u.s. or canada. the netherlands just reimposed a lock down with all nonessential businesses ordered to remain closed through mid january. and the uk government is holding an emergency meeting to discuss whether it needs to impose tighter restrictions. for more, i'm joined by kathy park. kathy, we look at the long lines for testing. it feels very much like a throw-back to the early days of the pandemic. what is going on there? what has been the challenge for testing in new york city?
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>> hey there, gary. yeah. so it kind of depends on who you ask and which testing facility you're at. so some people are waiting anywhere from 30 minutes up to several hours just to get tested. you might notice here behind me there is no line. that's because they have maxed out the available slots for the day. they only had 150 available at 6:00 this morning. there was a huge line of folks waiting to get tested, and they filled up very quickly. those 150 slots. and there are so many choke points in the city for several reasons. but the mayor acknowledged earlier today they're struggling to get some of these tests. and they also didn't realize how quickly omicron would come on. listen to this. >> we saw a very decreased demand at some of the sites. we moved to a focus on mobile sites where we're getting really good results, and obviously omicron then changed the whole picture, and we started to ramp up everything up again, and we're quickly ramping up.
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so we were responding to the experiences we were having, and we did not, and i've been clear about this, what i said yesterday, we did not expect omicron to move quite this quickly. >> and garrett, to address some of these challenges, this week we heard from the mayor there that they are expanding testing locations. they're also making more at-home tests available to folks in the community, and then we also learned they're going to be doing more quality control to ensure that things are moving more smoothly as we head into the winter months. garrett? >> thank you, kathy. telly, over there in london. you've got the health minister saying they won't rule out another possible lockdown or tighter restrictions in the coming days. what's the likelihood of uk imposing the more strict measures as we get close to christmas? >> well, the prime minister, boris johnson in the past hour
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said they're not ruling anything out. that they are reviewing the data hour by hour. that the country is in an extremely difficult position with the increase in cases, dramatic increase in cases. the cases are surging and hospitalizations in london are rising sharply. all of that from the prime minister, but not yet willing to impose any new restrictions on people in this country in the days leading up to christmas. just to give you an idea of how quickly cases are rising here, over the past couple of months we've been seeing steady levels of new daily covid cases at between 20 and 40,000 every day. today that was up at 91,000. close to 92,000. that jump has happened just in the past week or so. that's what has scientists so concerned here. it's why they want to see more restrictions imposed. they're concerned about hospitals becoming overwhelmed. already countries in europe,
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including france and germany, have -- the only two that have closed their boarders to uk tourists. they've imposed restrictions on their own populations. the netherlands locking down. again, the prime minister saying they expect omicron to be the dominant variant in a short period of time by the new year. and it's the only way that they can protect hospitals. garrett? >> a fast-moving story on both sides of the atlantic. kelly, thank you as well. and up next, how bad can we expect this latest covid surge to actually get, and how long will it last? i'll talk to dr. michael oser home who never minces words about what's really ahead. you're watching "meet the press daily". s daily" [ clicks tongue ] i don't know. i think they look good, man. mm, smooth. uh, they are a little tight. like, too tight?
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welcome back. while the u.s. is facing more than 100,000 covid cases on average a day. francis collins is warning things could get much worse
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before they get better. >> we do not know what this virus is capable of doing, and even if it has a somewhat lower risk of severity, we could be having a million cases a day if we're not really attentive to all those mitigation strategies. >> i'm joined now by the director of the center for infectious disease research and policy at the university of minnesota. so doctor, just in general, do you agree with doctor collins' assessment that we could see a million new cases a day, and what do a million new cases a day mean at this case in the pandemic? it's the same as in april of 2020? >> i think it's possible, but i think we need to take a step back. right now the public is just hearing about these numbers. at that point they're assuming what's happened over the past few months will continue to happen. right now we're in the midst of the delta surge. this is a different variant. it's causing severe illness and
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it's surely what is responsible right now for most of the hospitalized cases and deaths we're seeing in this country. if omicron comes on as i think most of us believe it will be, probably over the next three or four weeks, you'll see delta new cases really drop dramatically, if not completely eliminated and then omicron takes over. the question is what's the equation there between the number of cases which could be substantial, and how many of those will be serious illnesses. we don't know that answer yet. but we know it's possible, even with less severe illness, that because of the number of cases, that with the total number of cases hospitalized could be similar to or even higher than we're seeing now. >> and if you're still looking at the kind of two-week window between when infections start to rise and when hospitalizations and potentially deaths start to rise, it gets confusing. if doctor collins was -- had the perhaps more pessimistic view,
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there was a doctor on the "today show" who gave a more optimistic view of the situation right now. i want to play his comments for you as well. >> we are not in march 2020. we just aren't. we have fabulous vaccines. so yes, people are having breakthrough infections but they're mild and people are doing great. we have lots of tests. test lines are getting longer, but there's plenty of tests around. there's so much more that we have going for us at this point that there is no reason to panic. >> i feel like there are a number of things we could parse there, but i wonder if you share his overall sense of optimism. can i tell you in washington there's kind of an existential dread over the city. we put our mask mandate in place in d.c. lines for tests are long where they're available. it was -- is the situation more optimistic perhaps as the doctor suggests there? >> well, first of all, we don't
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really see panic out there. i want to be clear about that. >> i see dread more than i see panic. >> yeah. and i think you're right about that. i think we have to be careful not to be too optimistic. a number of people have been optimistic in the past and made statements that didn't bear out. i think right now it's not just having the tools but are they going to get used? for example, people who are vaccine willing, the people who have already had two doses, only 30 % of them have had the third dose which we all now realize is the full vaccination. and if you're going to reduce the breakthroughs from delta, and there are over 800 people in our state of minnesota who have died who were fully vax knitted with two doses but not the third. and so we want to get those third doses in people for delta. and right now with omicron, without the third dose, we don't know how many people will only have mild illness versus severe illness hospitalizations. we can talk about masks, but if
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people aren't using them, what good are they? i think the challenge we have is taking this optimistic, we have the tools message and putting it to the ground and saying, what really will happen, and that's where i'm concerned. i think that most people have given up on the pandemic, unfortunately. the pandemic is not given up on them. the virus is still there. >> is encouraging people to get their third shot the single most effective public health position we could take now that the president could put forward tomorrow? i mean, getting first and second shots, i feel like you're starting to beat your head against the wall, but the percentage of people who have gotten two shots already and are still needing a third seems to be the widest lane for room to use these tools. >> i think you're exactly right. and i think it's very important to emphasize time is of the essence. when this particular surge hits, which is going to be in three to eight weeks, i think before we see the real thrust of it, you don't have a lot of time for
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your body's immune system to respond. you need 10 to 14 days after your booster dose. don't expect to get a booster dose this morning and go to grandpa and grandma's house tonight and be protected. that's the message. it's urgent to get the booster shots but i think you're right. we have to basically keep pushing then. that's at least where we have some willingness to be better protected. >> is there anything else the president should say if he's putting this speech together for tomorrow. other tools still available to the white house or public health officials nationwide as we look ahead to the next three to eight weeks? >> i think we have to go into damage control in a way we haven't in the past. what i mean is for example, my worst fear right now in this viral blizzard that we're going to have is that 20 or 30 % of the health care workers in this country are going to get infected. and if they get infected and can't be on the job, we're going to take a very, very difficult health care delivery situation right now and make it much worse. kind of a perfect storm.
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what are we going to do? how are we going to handle that? are we going to let people back to work who have been previously vaccinated and mild illness? i think we have to consider that. right now we have to plan for the unimaginable so it doesn't happen? >> doctor, warning about the dangers of too much optimism and effectively crushing it out of us. thank you for coming on. coming up, new threats of a military response in russia amidst escalating tensions with ukraine and the west. ns with ukraine and the west ♪ 'cause it's the only thing i wanna do. ♪ turns out everyone does sound better in the shower. and it turns out the general is a quality insurance company that's been saving people money for nearly 60 years. ♪ 'cause it's the only thing i wanna do ♪ shaq: (singing in background) can't unhear that. for a great low rate, and nearly 60 years of quality coverage - make the right call and go with the general.
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recklessly with her firearm when she drew her gun instead of her taser. the paul henderson is the executive director of san francisco's department of police accountability. also joining us with nbc correspondent shaquille brewster. shaq, how did both sides sum up their arguments in the trial? >> you heard two different depictions, which was not unexpected. this was a 27-year veteran of the police force. the prosecution said she was acting with negligence when she pulled her firearm instead of her taser. meanwhile the defense said this was about daunte wright and his actions. had he not attempted to flee, he would still be alive and he created the situation of chaos that led to a mistake occurring. one key part that you heard, one
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key distinction from the prosecution was this idea of consciousness, whether or not kim potter knew she had a firearm in her hand. the defense said she did not. the prosecution said that didn't matter here. listen. >> she did those things despite her awareness of all of those risks, all kinds of risks, including the risk of weapon confusion. that's reckless and it's culpably negligent. and these are manslaughter charges, members of the juror. they are not murder charges. they are not intentional crimes. they're not crimes of intentional homicide. no one is saying that the defendant meant to kill daunte wright. >> so you hear that argument there, trying to pull back from
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the jury, look, this is not about what you believed happened. the prosecution even at one point said, look, we think it was a mistake, it was likely a mistake that kim potter made, however they still believe and they're arguing and have argued that a mistake can still be criminal. so that is what the jury has to said to. they have now started their deliberations. we believe, based on court orders in the past, that they will be fully sequestered during these deliberations. and that's what's going to happen right now. again, those two counts, first degree manslaughter and second degree manslaughter. >> shaq, this case is so interesting in part because i don't think there's much of any disagreement on the facts of the case. pretty much everybody agrees on what happened. >> right. >> you see a lot in the body cameras. it's just sort of the questions of how and why. to that end, i'm curious, does the jury get to interact with the taser evidence? that's been a big part of this discussion, how would you reach for a taser and pull a gun?
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does the jury get to experience the tactile sensation? >> that's a good point, garrett. the jury has seen all different angles of this incident and yes, they'll have the unloaded firearm at their disposal, the deactivated taser in the jury room with them, they'll even have a laptop, one laptop in the jury room with all of the video evidence that has been played in this trial, and admitted in this trial, connected to a monitor. they'll be able to go through and look at the video piece by piece. >> paul, the burden is on the prosecution here. do you in your professional opinion think they did enough to make their case? >> well, i think they put on a really good case. and part of that case was educating the jury that there is a standard of care that is higher when you're armed with lethal force, and then by definition, also the standard of
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care for law enforcement. i think they did a really good job of trying to explain to this jury that nice people can break the law. they can make mistakes. and when those mistakes are reckless, which is first degree, or negligent, which is second degree, that they can be held accountable and they should be held accountable. there are some little nuances in here too that they've dropped to lead the jury to get to a guilty verdict, trying to counter some of the arguments that the defense team tried to lay. they essentially argued, the defense team, three separate tracks to get to a non-guilty for the jury. they said this was an emotional case for someone who was peaceful, they say the officer had a right to use deadly force, and they said, and this was both predictable and insulting, that daunte wright was the cause of his own death by taking it upon
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himself to flee, as insulting as ridiculous as that is. the prosecution wants them to understand how kim potter escalated the incident to create this crime. and so you cannot say that there was just a right to use deadly force, which she herself did not believe that she was using deadly force or was justified in the situation. and you have to look at what she did to escalate the situation. let's not forget that this whole incident started when an air freshener hung on the rearview window and that was why they originally stopped him in the first place, and then it escalated from there, instead of giving him a ticket or letting him move on for a traffic violation, it escalated and he was shot. this was a tragedy and a mistake, which the prosecution is arguing she made, but she did ignore the risks, she ignored some of her training, she didn't even check her weapons earlier.
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and all of these things led to this tragedy that should result in culpability for the officer. that's the argument. >> paul, i'm sorry, i hate to cut you off but i'm running up hard against the end of this segment. paul, shaq, i appreciate you breaking this down. i appreciate you all being with me for this hour. "meet the press daily" will be back tomorrow. msnbc coverage continues with katy tur right now. good to be with you, i'm katy tur. this hour we expect the first on-camera reaction from the white house to what's been called betrayal by joe manchin. the west virginia senator stunned his party when he dealt a death blow to the build back better legislation after weeks of talks with the president himself. democrats unloaded on manchin, including the white house, which accused the senator of an inexplicable and stunning reversal, their words, in a statement signed off


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