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you're satisfied that santa has made it down your chimney, look again, here's hoping for a successful launch on christmas day. that is our broadcast for this wednesday night, with our thanks for being with us, on behalf of all my colleagues at the networks of nbc news, goodnight. e networks of nbc news goodnight. >> tonight on all in. the january six committee wants to know what jim jordan knows. >> i just don't know, i would have to go back -- i mean, i don't know when those conversations happened. >> tonight, the former request to speak to jim jordan, and while the inquiry goes beyond conversations with trump on january six. plus, new reporting on why the pentagon held back the national guard during the insurrection. then, good news whether you take the pandemic seriously or not. >> we're therapeutics of the monoclonal -- >> monoclonal antibodies.
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>> there is one that is still working out. >> the optimistic research about omicron, and why the fda approval of a terry punic pill could be a game-changer, and more unequivocally good news about presents under the tree. >> as a new york times that today, press missed gifts are arriving on time this year, good news, we've saved christmas. >> when all in starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. back in july when the speaker of the house of representative was assembling the select committee that would evaluate the attack on our democracy, you might remember house republicans led by kevin mccarthy made a big deal about the makeup of the committee. >> speaker pelosi has taking the unprecedented step of denying the minority parties picks for the select committee on january 6th. this represents something that
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has not happen in the house before for a select committee by the historians, it's an egregious abuse of power. pelosi has broken this institution. >> now, mccarthy strategy was pretty obvious at the time he was trying to stop the committee with trump allies who would do anything in their power to disrupt the investigation, they all program to be illegitimate and the loudest of them, the person who would run points on that would be jim jordan. speaker pelosi rejected jordan's appointment to the committee precipitating that speech by kevin mccarthy. the reason she did is because there were concerns that jordan, and other republicans should not be part of the committee investigating the incident in which they could potentially be witnesses, or worse, well, what do you know, today the bipartisan select committee investigating january six sent a letter to congressman jim jordan of ohio requesting he voluntarily meet with investigators to discuss his role in the events of january six. notably, like the letter that
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was sent to scott perry, and other house republican, this is not a subpoena, it's basically hey, you're a member of the house, were doing house business here, come talk to us. but, the committees nonetheless requesting testimony from jordan, who has previous reporting that indicated was integral to the congressional strategy for trump's attempted coup. in the letter to congressman jordan the committee says could we understand, you had at least one and possibly multiple communications with president trump on january six. we would like to discuss each such communication with you in detail. congressman jordan admits that he spoke to donald trump on the day of the insurrection, he gets score me when you tried to pin him down on exactly when. >> did you speak with president trump on january six? >> yes, i spoke with the president last week, i speak with the president all the time, i spoke with him on january six. i talk with him all the time. >> on january six, did you speak with him before, during or after the capitol was attacked?
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>> i would have to, i spoke with him that day after -- i think after, i don't know if i spoke with him in the morning or not -- i just don't know. i would have to go back -- i mean, i don't know -- i don't know when those conversations happen. >> when did you speak to former president honors six? before, during or after the attack on the capitol? >> of course i talked to the president, i've been clear about that. i told him all the time. >> this is not about me, mister chairman. >> i think we should tell jim jordan to the i talk to him all the timeline is not doing the work that he thinks it is doing. kevin mccarthy tried to make that guy part of the investigation into what happened on january six in the lead up to it. but in its letter to the congressman, the committee points out that jim jordan's involvement extends way beyond whatever conversations he had with trump on the six, before or after, during. he was a crucial player in planning the coup attack that
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led to didn't section in the first place quote, we also must learn about the activities that led to the attack on january six. public reporting suggest that you may have information about meetings with white house officials and the den president about strategies for overturning the results of the 2020 election. to be honest, the committee is underselling jordan's involvement here. new york times reports two days after the ap called the election for joe biden, jordan huddled with top trump staff at campaign headquarters in quote, the group settled on a strategy that would become a blueprint for mr. trump supporters in congress, hammer home the idea that the election was tainted and that it -- bolster the claims of allegations and fraud. that is exactly what they did. none of it worked of course in sowing doubt in the minds of the people. weeks later in december he doubled down, told trump not to concede, telling reporters quote we should still try to figure out exactly what took place here. and as i said that includes i
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think debates on the house floor, potentially on january six. jordan meant what he said, on january 5th we now know that he forwarded a text message to white house chief of staff mark meadows encouraging mike pence to just overturn the election single-handedly, throughout the will of the voters and essentially paved the way to install trump as the winner. on the day itself, january six, meadows was one of jordan -- jordan was one of the 147 members of congress who voted not to cede the electorate, that's not all, committee also wanted to know if jordan were to dangle pardons for fellow coup plotters. quote, we would also like to ask about any discussions involving the possibility of pardons for individuals involved in any aspect of january six, or the planning of january 6th. joining me now member of the gender six committee congressman pete aguilar of california. congressman, why do you want to talk to jim jordan? >> well at the letter from chairman thompson indicated, we
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feel like the information that he has in his possession can shed some light on exactly what happened and what transpired on january 5th, engineer six. that is the basis of it. and for someone who publicly said that he has nothing to hide it seems fairly clear to any american watching that someone who is truly dedicated to democracy and our institutions and congress should be willing to come forward and have a conversation with his colleagues about what he knows. >> yes, scott perry has already said that he won't cooperate with this, jordan was asked about this today on fox and i want to play what he had to say and get your response. >> what will your reaction be, will it be the same as mark meadows, take a walk or will you sit down and speak with them? >> we just got the letter today we will review the letter but i have to be honest with, you i have real concerns about any committee that will take a
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document and altered and presented to the american people completely mislead the american people, like they did last week. >> i think that is a reference into the text that he sent to mark meadows because it didn't have the full citation and it wasn't noted that it was a forwarded text, he seems to be upset about that. what do you make of his reaction? >> quite a stretch for missing a period at the end of the sentence. it's unfortunate. look, that's what we have seen from some of these individuals who are close to the former president. they will look at every way to delay and avoid and of aid the committee's work. and that is exactly why someone like mr. jordan isn't fit to serve in this body, with us in this investigation. and so, it's important -- look, we will try to get our
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work, we will appeal to him as a colleague to come before us. truly, if he has nothing to hide and from that interview that you played before, he clearly, he knows more than he was talking about, he didn't say that, because he knows that there are ways to go back and check how many conversations were had. we will ask for his, we will appeal to him as a colleague but we will wait his formal response to us. >> part of what we are seeing here unfold between scott perry, i think yesterday and jim jordan's today. it's just a matter of public record, independent of what fact finding your committee has done, it's a matter of public record that a number of congress members actively coordinated with the white house on a strategy to prevent the rightful seeding of the person that won the election, joe biden, and to keep the person who lost the election as president over the will of the
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american people. that is just a fact that we all know, it's a matter of public record. there's no way to do an investigation of january six, it's not gonna brush up against some of your colleagues. >> well, we've been very clear that we will follow every lead, wherever it goes, as early as august, the chairman sent letters for preservation lenders to telecom companies that included people close to the president, members of congress that we publicly notice that and know that, because we wanted for to know that we would not be deterred by this. and i think so far has surprised us, we will continue to work through the game plan but clearly the premise still holds that some of these individuals were coordinating with the white house on a pressure campaign to overturn the election, and so we are appealing to our colleagues year to shed some light on that.
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>> in the absence of cooperation, can you envision a situation in which jordan and or scott perry could be subpoenaed? >> we're not there yet but we do have other tools, we haven't been shy about using those tools in other cases, so we will await the response from our colleague here and the chair will huddle with the committee and we will chart a path forward. it is important to note that over 300 people have been interviewed, some that we noticed publicly, over 40 that we noticed publicly, many conversations are happening quietly and we would prefer that, to gather information, to review and to chase these investigative leads, we will continue to do that work out of the public realm. we will have success doing that, but we won't be deterred for
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investigating the january 6th attack on the capitol, our mission and our focus is to get to the truth, and chairman thompson has been charting a path to get us there. >> all right congressman pete aguilar, thank you very much. >> thank you, chris. >> for more on jim jordan i'm joined by olivia beavers congressional reporter at politico, if nothing else, i love, yet this highlights what a mass it would've been if jordan was sitting on the committee. >> yes, and you talked about earlier, we are approaching a point that we knew was inevitable, which is if the junior six committee want to do what it has always talked about doing, which is going through that day, who donald trump was talking to that, including members of the house, these members of the committee would be trying to get their own colleagues to testify before them. they were just trying to -- does the committee choose to subpoena them, we are entering into a murky and unprecedented position of do they want to
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take that step or do they try to censor order for them to the ethics committee? and one thing to keep in mind is that congressman jim jordan will potentially be, and is poised to be the next chairman of the house judiciary committee, so he will also use those tools for reasons that are completely unrelated to jenner six for whatever is in the interest of the house republicans that they want to use politically or whatever, and try to subpoena democrats. so, that is something that i'm sure is in the back of their minds as they are waiting if they do take that steps to subpoena jim jordan. and he is key to figuring out what happened on january six. >> yeah, when you talk about unprecedented, there's so much that is unprecedented, the actual event that happened on january six, this resistance to a peaceful transfer of power, which we have never seen anything quite like it. but watergate, obviously nixon
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he had his allies in congress but it's not like they were plotting with him, they kept that in the white house. again, like i just said to congressman aguilar, there is a matter of public records, there were collaborators in the scheme, both publicly and behind the scenes in the house republican caucus. after the attack, the caucus comes in and vote on the elector, there is no way to do this investigation that will not put them squarely in the middle. well you know, it's gonna be interesting and one thing we highlighted earlier actually that was on your show a couple of months ago, as we know jim jordan didn't have this one phone call. he admitted to me that he had multiple phone calls. and one source told me that he was urging trump to tell his followers to stand down, which seemed to fall in line with him the text messages and other documents that liz cheney were riding. off we do know that he was involved, and the in various
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steps of the way, even though he won't say when that phone call happened. it's going to be interesting to kind of keep pulling at these threads, and yes it is unprecedented. the area that we are in. it's going to be interesting to see how we move forward. >> just to plan another exchange firm that rules committee back and forth between the chairman governor and jordan on that question, where jordan confirms at the very least after the attack. take a listen -- >> if you talk to the president before during or after the attack on the capitol? or was it all three. the reason why i ask is because you've had a four days since you said you could remember, and you've recanted. just could clarify for the record was a just, before, during or after? the attack? >> i talk to the president after the attack. >> so not during? an >> yes. >> it's not --
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true if that's what it says. i'm the embarrassment that he's seeking to enjoy -- please call off the mob that is threatening all of. us as many people were doing at the time. >> within a make sense to me about that point would be what would you be calling the president axing to tell his mob to stand down, if the attack was already over. >> right -- . >> the square is the point that he's making it multiple phone calls, he's also not saying the phone call didn't happened when rioters were trying to reach the capitol to stop the capitol from being swarmed. >> artillery beavers, thank you so much for your time. >> chris. >> up next at freezing explanation -- why the pentagon took so long to send in the national guard. when military fish is actually trying to stop a full blown coup, by keeping troops away from the insurrection. that's next.
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that's how long it took on january 6th from the moment rioters breached the capitol, to the moment the national guard finally arrived. in that three hours, and 29 minutes, lawmakers and congressional staff barricaded themselves in the chamber of fours and offices as rioters ran through the capitol. police fought to prevent more insurrectionist from reaching the building. exactly why the national guard wasn't deployed earlier, despite rick increasingly
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desperately request from the police is not the biggest. from not as the new potential explanation, identified by the security. senior military officials constrain the mobilization and deployment of the national guard to avoid injecting federal troops that could've been remission by the president to advance his attempt ought to hold on to power. one of the coauthors behind in a shorter pieces ron goodman, founding co-editor and chief of jessica 30, professor university school law and he joins me now. >> ryan i found this piece really illuminated, let's start with just the problem to solve for here. it just was very clear both during the days you are watching and in the aftermath, that something has gone catastrophic me wrong, won the seat of the u.s. government can come under attack, foreign tax for three hours and they're no reinforcements. there is no essential backup, from the national guard, to protect it. the question is why did that? happen what is the official
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explanation for? it >> so the explicitly explanation is the department of defense is actually operating and great dispatch -- it takes bureaucratic procedures for the order for them to determine what will be the key concept of operation before they were robbed the rise of the poll meant to authorize and mobilize before things. they were acting with alacrity, is the official line. and things take time, is the way they've been trying to describe would happen. >> and yet you've got folks, the whistleblower from the general counsel for the d.c. national guard saying it's ridiculous that the notion the initial story is true than concern about optics, you are basically pausing the theory which i find companion thing which is what? >> so everything -- evidence points to our account that the senior leaders in the defense department, were very concerned and they see in the d.c. national guard into the
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capital. then at the stroke of a tweet, the president can say i remission them and now they're at my disposal. and he can invoke the insurrection act. they in fact admitted that, when interviewed by the d.o.d.'s expected general. that was an operative concern they had going into the january 6th. >> this is something chris miller said to the inspector general d.o.d.. i knew of the morning in the sixth require that if we put the u.s. military person on the capitol, i would've created a greater constitutional crisis probably since the civil war. which is incredible chilling thing to say, because the question for why? and it seems that that's the concern, right? >> that's right. it's not about optics, which is public perception. he saying something much more dramatic. in his congressional testimony, he actually says, i was cognizant of the fear that the president wouldn't folk insurrection act for political
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purposes. and based on that fear and concern, it factored into why constrain the national guard. he's admitted that quite a bit of it, and when you piece well together, it seems to line up with the facts that really did happen that day. which as you say is no good explanation. we need an explanation, for why it took the guard over three hours to get. their >> rights of the ideas that the highest levels of leadership, and the department of defense, are concerned that if the national guard is brought in to backup the capitol police and npd who were there being set upon by the mob. the president, it's ultimately the commander in can say, you the new mission as you must clear the capital of everyone. we are not doing the electoral stuff today, everyone go home. and then you have something that we've never encountered before. >> that's right, it's a
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constitutional -- and that's exactly what it could be. it's interlocking everything down. we have to lock everything down until we can figure out what's going on here. that was the goal, and we want to delay the certification at a minimum. so we can try to effectuate that very way. and in fact >> -- -- >> all different players in this are understandable his fellow members of congress -- and that's how coup happened. we know mike pence actually refused to leave the building. and i think all of those different folks, d.o.d., my fans, all those people. understand the president of the united states wants to stop the transfer of power. and if you can get everyone out of the building that maybe can do it. >> that's right. and that's why even had on the phone, which we call with the secretary of defense. we need this cleared we, are getting back to work so that everyone can continue to perform their duties and
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transfer the power on to the next person. >> ryan goodman who did some great work, you can check it out over educating thank you very much. >> yeah. >> i had something you don't get the talk about enough, but it's actually some good news on the covid pandemic front. promising that on omicron, and what it means for your holiday plans, next.
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right >> now many of you are in the midst of some holiday preparation, whether that is traveling or hosting a gathering or figuring out what you will do, good time to take stock of where we are. six or eight weeks ago things were looking not so bright for this holiday season, covid cases were rising again, the delta wave that had been in the south in the summer coming to the north in the fall, across the country, we were also looking at the supply chain crisis. gas prices were spiking, other reasons for concerns is many americans were hoping to get
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their lives back to some semblance of normalcy, especially going into winter, that was particularly brutal last year. and then came the omicron variant, driving an astonishing rise in cases, not like anything else that we have seen since the very beginning of the pandemic, and maybe even more than that. take a look at this graph of daily cases in washington d.c.. it's almost comical, like it goes straight up at practically a right angle. a lot of people have been feeling like oh my gosh, again? so, tonight i have a rare opportunity to deliver a bevy of good news that has come in over the last 24 hours. first of all, as you probably noticed, the supply chain crisis has unwound. what was genuine concern mixed with lots of heavy breathing about the store shelves being empty on christmas, and joe biden's america never came to pass, new york times headline today what christmas gifts are arriving on time this year.
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a supply chain could wreak havoc on the industry, was proven to be wrong. the supply issues were real, they were not an imagined problem at all, they made a plan to address it, i wasn't convinced it would work, but it appears that it has. good luck and effort together, good results, that is great news. there is also encouraging news about the omicron variant and what it means for all of us. there's a lot we don't know about this, the one that was just identified in south africa few weeks ago, about a month ago, a new study from south africa's national institute of communicable diseases found that people diagnosed with omicron were 80% less likely to be hospitalized in those with another variant. researchers in the united kingdom have found similar trends. they have data out of scotland showing that people with the omicron variant for 60% less likely to be hospitalized in those with delta. i want to be clear here, we don't actually know, for sure, what's the causal mechanism is
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here, what is dye the case. it is possible that omicron is looking less severe because of the combination of vaccines and natural immunity and natural -- in the population at this point. but we do have a real world data, the real world data thus far is relatively promising about the severity of the illness. we are also starting a data about omicron right here in new york, where we have one of the worst outbreaks in the entire world, of course. in the spring of 2020. new yorkers have a lot of traumatic memories from that, safe to say that everyone was touched by it. the situation in our hospitals was dire, many people lost loved ones. as omicron began to hit the city a lot of people feared that there would be a repeat. new york is probably about 2 to 3 weeks into this massive wave of cases sprung on by omicron, you can see the practically vertical line there in the right. in a city where 80% of
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population have received the vaccine, hospitalizations are not spiking as one might have anticipated. mitch cash -- mitch cats shared more data between now and last year. >> the 11 hospitals have 54 patients in their icu due to covid, that's compared to the peak in march 2020 where we had 970. and the 54 is compared to the lowest we got which was around 20. a few weeks ago, so very very slight increase in the sickest of patients. >> so 54 icu patients, versus 970 on march 2020. that's an apples to apples comparison. that's nearly 20 times less,
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now again, we're a few weeks into this, we don't know where it will go, but that is what we are talking about. we are in a different place, thank god that we are. you may have heard about the big kiss and possibly best news of the day which is the food drug administration just approve the first at home pill treatment for covid for people ages and up at high risk for severe disease, it's an anti viral drug made by pfizer it is called paxlovid, it appears to be very effective, a study showed that it reduced the risk of hospitalization in death, if taken within three days of the symptoms. pfizer stopped that steady moving to get it approved and on to the public as fast as possible, wall street journal notes of that happens if a drug is found to be so effective it will be unethical to continue to study with patients receiving the placebo. it's a five-day regiment, two
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pills per day taken with a generic anti viral. pfizer says they will have 180,000 courses ready by the end of the year, that will likely not be enough to meet demand in the immediate future. it will ramp up into the next year. u.s. government has a contract to buy 10 million doses, which could be a real game-changer. along with the vaccination, and rapid testing at scale, to create the future of the new normal. on top of, that some more great news out of the blue, get this, u.s. army scientists at walter reed have developed a vaccine that works in covid-19 and all of the sars coronavirus variants. this is a strain of viruses that have caused problems for 20 years. outbreaks from sars, mayors and covid-19. it has just completed phase one with positive results. it's enormously encouraging. go army of researchers. the experience the pandemic has brought has been so insane,
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incredibly traumatic for a lot of people in a lot of ways. it is the largest mass casualty of our lives, it is knocking two years off of american life expectancy. it's been the largest disruption to american daily life since world war ii. of course, for all of those reasons, they are justified on still being concerned on what is going on. the future looks better than the past. r than the past on america's most reliable network. better? (guy) better. (kate) that's not all. the new iphone, and up to 7 entertainment subscriptions for your family. like apple music, apple arcade, and more. better? (family) betttterrrrrr. (kate) not done. the new iphone, the entertainment, and up to $1,000 when you switch. (carolers) [singing] betttttter. (kate) this year, holiday better, with verizon. because everyone deserves better.
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house majority james clyde burn has tested positive for covid, he is asymptomatic, he's 81 years old. doctor craig spencer's director of global health and emergency -- he recently wrote about his concerns that omicron will overwhelm americas emergency rooms. and doctor eric topol is a professor of molecular medicine, where he publishes and used a letter grounded truths. doctor topol, let me start with you you have been, i follow you for granular updates on the emerging omicron literature. and again, a lot of this is very early, it hasn't been peer reviewed, and we have both lap steadies which are looking at how the molecule works and the virus works and then we have just like what is happening out in the world. it does seem an emerging theme is, less severe illness even if we don't understand the
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mechanism that is producing it. >> chris, it's good to be with you and also with craig, i think this is a very important point you are making, the severity of the illness is hard to gauge, but there is now data from three countries, scotland, inland, denmark it all looks favorable, as well as in south africa. we have lower severity which is partly from our immunity wall, but there are some hints of an intrinsic activity of the virus, it can infect long cells as well. there is a lot less loss of smell and taste, these are good things. so it may be a combination, it's largely disunity wall which hopefully we will have enough of, some of the countries we're comparing it with, are at a much better immunity well with vaccine than we are. >> although in south africa, for example, which has a lower
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vaccination rate than the u.s., there is also a lot of zero prevalence, they're a lot of people have had covid, they were coming off of a huge delta wave in that country, so those combined form a patchwork of immunity wall, right? >> exactly. yes, for sure. >> doctor spencer, let me ask you we have spoken to you throughout this pandemic you worked all over the world in very intense situations of viral outbreak he, you were a doctor during the ebola crisis, you were in new york during the first wave, what is your perspective on this data, first for new york but then let's zoom out for the hospital system around the country. sure, it's great to back, and it's good to see you. here we have immunity wall here in new york city. we got hit over the head of march, april 2020. we've had infection throughout. we have a city that is highly
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vaccinated. and right now there are a lot of people freaking out. there are a lot of friends, colleagues, providers are testing positive. but you are right, i appreciate the positive spin that you gave in the last segment. we are not in march 2020. i am not going to work every day, in fear of i mean you get infected or lose my family. we have treatments, we have vaccines we, have knowledge on how to do so very. now i have other concerns and other places around the country, -- because they haven't seen the virus as much or they're not as highly vaccinated. in many of those places, staff are already overworked, they are tired, they're exhausted. and there's just not enough of them. and that's why i'm worried, in addition to more health care workers getting sick, but in the coming weeks and months, despite all the positive news and just laid out, we're gonna see a crisis of many of our health care institutions and their ability to cope even, if the weight of smaller. >> yeah, that point is a key one. first of all there's a lot of delta in the country. and there's a lot of hospitals
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-- hospitalizations from the delta wave that never sort of subsided. and now it sort of moving northeast, we've also got the staffing issues. here in new york city, got a lot of staff in new york city hospitals that are tight that are testing positive. -- basically you can't search a circuit that's been burned out. and there's simply no few zeke that can fix the fact that we're fried. there's just a certain level of constraint that's going to make this difficult either way. even if that real world data is encouraging in terms of severe illness. >> right, in march 2020, like i wrote we were worried about ventilators. right now i'm worried about nurses. it's a lot harder to make a nurse than to make a ventilator. -- and a hospital bed is just a bed without a good nurse by insight. >> let's talk about price of
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doctor topol. this does looking encouraging, it does seem like there's two keys here. a testing regime that allows people to know they have covid early so that if you take it when the onset of symptoms, and a supply and mechanisms and distributions that could be weakening. >> right. well, it's more than encouraging, chris, because in fact it's the biggest advance we've had since vaccine. in the two years of the pandemic. why is it so important? because of the things you've had, vaccines and antibodies, they rely on our immune system. and this bypasses that. omicron is of course the challenge to our immune system in our vaccines, but we don't have to worry about that with this packs of it. in addition, it has a mark reduction in the viral load that we carry in our -- by more than tenfold. very quickly after taking the
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first two pills. which may come in handy with what you were just talking about, and dr. spencer about health care workers. if they get sick, or if they get infected -- >> i haven't thought of that aspect. >> one other thing. if you can drop off hospitalizations by a 9% -- and dance. that's up to five days from the onset of symptoms, this is really big stuff. so i am excited about it. i haven't been excited about anything a vaccine pretty much the last couple of years. >> yeah and doctor spencer obviously, the question here, which is a question which we face vaccines, as supply has grown but is still constrained, but who gets? this and how? and that sort of an internal question the united states, what to do with these doses? which is a specific and pressing by ethical question. where do they go? and then a broader question, which is a global economy question, which is still
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intense on vaccines as well as their pewter. so will the global south and billions of people who are not in the first world have access? >> like everything like we have had in this pandemic my, concern is putting equity and equity. first domestically it's gonna be the people with connections that aren't we finding a way to get these limited doses that will be rolled out in the next couple of weeks. it's going to be a challenge because not everyone has four hours to stand in line here in new york city. you see where people are testing positive. it's the wealthier parts of the city, not because of more covid, but because they have more time. it's gonna be a problem here, and for the rest of the country. if you problem internationally because we know that even the pfizer said the license is given fisa -- license to other people to have the rescue to make this. there are some restrictions in there that don't allow countries like brazil, china, turkey, russia or others to do so. there's gonna be fewer doses going internationally. in addition to fewer vaccines. and a lot fewer tests that
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people want to be able to use medications if they can't get that positive test in the first. place >> yes that point about connections is one of the more morley debased moments of the pandemic is watching trump in his inner circle -- and say everyone's gonna have access to this antibody that caused the government to thousand dollars a treatment. and here we are a year later, and it's still not happening. dr. spencer and dr. topol, thank you so much. >> thank you chris. >> still ahead the fight to save one of the most popular biden policies, the child tax credit, -- one of the arctic's the plan going next. g next crest, the official toothpaste of santa. follow us @crest to celebrate the 12 days of crest smiles.
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washington -- includes a build back better bill -- the social safety net plan. it also means this is important -- the tax credit that was passed
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in the american rescue plan earlier this year and the administration. it was time as a final tool, to help middle class working class families, and also to fight child poverty. it's currently set to expire at the end of this year. january the end -- could fall back into poverty. senator michael bennet of colorado is one of the architects of the child tax credit, and he joins me now. senator this is been one of your central focuses as a u.s. senator. i was gonna say your lives, work but that may be overstating things. >> i will say chris i -- on this idea. >> i've forgotten about that, you know what i'm kidding. that's true. you did run on that, but in all seriousness i know sharon brown and others have worked with you to have this happen. it's been there. first of all, what's the take
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away, just substantively okay we ran the experiment, we try to for a year, what is your take away about of success, failures, what you think of it? >> it's been one of the most successful domestic policies in generations. we've cut child poverty almost in half. we've reduced hunger by a quarter. just think about that for second. we reduced hunger in this country, we were one of the highest child poverty rates in any industrial con trees in her 38 out of 41. -- what we said is, we don't have to accept that. it's a permitting feature of our democracy in our economy. it is working exactly as we expect it. people spend money to pay rent, to buy groceries. but really to buy a little bit extra childcare to stand to support the family. >> i'm gonna read you some reporting about your colleague joe manchin. i think it's pretty clear that he's not super on board with
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this. of course you voted for the american rescue plan part of this for this. year but now is reporting that he's told several democrats he's found -- they've wasted monthly child tax credit payments on drugs instead of providing -- >> that mindset is not loaded to the senator does a lot of people are just sending checks everyone. one of the getting to the money? >> i think the anecdotal evidence in colorado's people are spending as described. i'm in the first checks went out, i met mom after mom after mom across the state. they were saying they're able to buy back to school clothes for the kids without bankrupting families. these are the choices that people have been having to make. for 50 years it's been working really well for the top 1%, but it has been working well for ross. finally we have a tax cut for working people. we've to cut taxes -- to the tune of six trillion dollar dollars.
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-- this is a time when families should really need help. that's why we have to find a way to bridge the gap. we cannot allow pete january to come without continuing the enhanced child care and that's where we're gonna try to do. >> we all know there are no rich people who ever used america by. drugs >> the other thing about that chris, i've been in the senate for 12 years. i've been there in the chaos at the end of a session, when white people tax cuts are expiring. we never had any trouble extending those. here we find ourselves in this position, thanks to joe biden, or minister, banner carla harris, and many others. we actually have massive tax cuts for working people. what if you want to raise taxes in the middle of pandemic? and double child poverty, it makes it cool cleanly irrational. >> so you've got -- unless you the lay of the land
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is different than a perceived it, you've got one guy trying to convince and he doesn't seem to be on board! well is not on board, and that guy as my colleague joe manchin. we have a difference of opinion on this. no one in the senate has monopoly all with them. and i think it's very clear that in other countries that have the child tax credits. they force participation rates and it's actually higher, because it's easier for you the stain work. -- if the car breaks down, they can get a fixed. and all i want to plead with joe manchin is let's give it a chance to actually work. we've only seen it for six months, and the early reports are extremely positive. let let it go, and see whether he's rider whether i'm. wrong and let's try to come to an agreement on other things that i may not agree with, but i'm willing to vote for in order to pass something for the benefit of the american people. which is of course why are we all sent awash to begin with.
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>> that's going to be at the top of the priority list in the new year. i think something can be worked out, but will be right back talk about how that is. all remain hopeful that something is not gonna be destroyed for something so good. thank you very much senator. >> "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. good evening, rachel. >> good evening chris. thank you, my friend. appreciate you being here. thanks at home for joining us. appreciate you being here. it is a very excite lead-up to the christmas holidays at the end of this week. so much so that i feel like the news is kind of all rushing into the off-ramp, trying to get all done before the christmas holidays are upon us. one of the stories we've been watching tonight starts in the great state of georgia amid the tidal wave of election laws and voting rights restrictions enacted over the course of this year in republican-controlled states, all these laws coast to coast, aimed at making it harder to