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court. the committee is asking the supreme court to make a quick decision on an appeal, to the supreme court filed by don trump today. seeking to overturn a unanimous opinion of the federal court of appeals that denied donald trump's attempt to prevent the national archives from handing over documents from the trump white house to the house select committee investigating the january 6th attack on the capitol. the first decision, the supreme court has to make, and possibly the only decision, is whether to hear the case at all. most appeals filed with the united states supreme court are rejected without a word of explanation from the court. the supreme court only years appeals cases in which at least four justices decides it if the case is worthy of hearing in the supreme court. the committee is asking the supreme court to reject the trump request for a hearing, and is asking the supreme court
to act as quickly as possible -- in a filing with the supreme court today, the committee asked the supreme court to make a decision, rejecting the trump petitioned for an appeal at the supreme court's closed door conference meeting, on january 14th. the committee told the supreme court, quote, the select committee is investigating a deadly assault on the united states capitol, the speaker of the house, the vice president, and both chambers of congress, and a dangerous interruption of congress's constitutional duty and the peaceful transfer of power. delay would inflict a serious injury on the select committee and public by interfering with this mandate. today, the new york times published an essay co-opted by harvard law professor lawrence, tribe, with the title, will donald trump get away with
inciting an insurrection? professor tribe in his coauthors right, quote, in his nine months in office, attorney general merrick garland has done a great deal to restore integrity and evenhanded enforcement of the law to an agency that was badly misused for political reasons under his predecessor. but his place in history will be assessed against the challenges that confronted him. and the overriding test that he and the rest of the government face is the threat to our democracy from people bent on destroying it. mr. garland's success depends on ensuring that the rule of law indoors. that means dissuading future coup plotters by holding the leaders of the insurrection fully accountable for their attempt to overthrow the government. but he cannot do so without a robust criminal investigation of those at the top, from the people who planned, assisted or funded the attempt to overturn
the electoral college vote to those who organized or encourage the mob attack on the capitol. to decline the outset to investigate would be an appeasement, pure and, simple and appeasing bullies in wrongdoers only encourages more of the same. leading off our discussion tonight, -- msnbc contributor. neil, one is the supreme court case, we turn to you. this is a trump legal filing that, was filed today. i didn't quote any of it, because it's like all trump legal filing, such a peculiar. document with the committee filed with the court, made enough sense to me to present to the audience. i leave it to you, neil, to tell us what we need to know about the trump filing and with the supreme court might choose to do. >> yes, lawrence, i think you're. right congress is filing today was an ordinary plan english.
and trump's was in contrast, not. it's a really lousy fouling. i don't think supreme court is going to hear the case. i think, as you are saying, the supreme court gets 1000 detain thousand cases a year, and here is about 65. the supreme court is really the big leagues, you can't afford a false move when you're making a file into the supreme court. the document that trump filed today is written by lawyers who people are not ready for this kind of filing. it's riddled with loose language, and absurd claims. it's kind of surprising that trump couldn't get a supreme court lawyer to file this document for. him he is a former president. but, it's not that surprising when you look at his actual claims. with this filing is all about, for, viewers basically congress is trying to get information about what trump was doing on
january 6th, the whole set of documents. including the testimony about that. trump is inciting executive privilege, saying he has his own of secrecy and, he doesn't have to tell the truth, under oath to congress. he faces two big problems in that claim. one, two different federal courts have resoundingly rejected his claims on multiple grounds, including a very important decision by the d.c. circuit. the second problem is the current president, president biden has rejected his executive privilege claims. the supreme court said when you are deciding this presidential secrecy thing, it's really the incumbent president that has to lion share of the decision-making power, not the former president. >> and so, when you look at the trump filing, do they add anything to their case, to their argument that hasn't already been rejected by the
district court who heard it for, and then the appeals. court >> no. not a single new thing. now, there is some new rhetoric in here. there's rhetoric in which they say trump is more than an ordinary citizen. the document pretends, essentially, that he is still the president. maybe these folks who filed this, believe. but he's not the president. the thing about living in a democracy, once you're out of office, you earn ordinary person. yes, you are the president at one point and you did have a special zone of privacy around you, for all sorts of good reason, but afterwards, you are not. another thing that's striking, lawrence, as a supreme court lawyer, if i were representing trump, the first thing i would do is say, people perceive me, or my client, as all about. delay whether these lawyers do, they wait until the last minute to father document. the very last day that the court gave them to file, instead of filing a little bit
earlier, saying look we're on the ball, we want this, we think these are strong legal claims, this isn't about delay. that's why we're filing. quickly nope, not these folks. not on trump. that delay tells you all you need to know about what this document, that there filed today is about. it's just about trying to stall this thing as long as they can. >> so, neil, in a normal case, one that doesn't involve the president of the united states -- instead of normal, let's say one that doesn't involve the former president, i think we can easily predict a faulty filing like this coming after very solidly reasoned written opinions in the lower courts, would be summarily rejected by the supreme court. and, the only thing that would come out is simply one sentence that would emerge from the court saying, that it is denied. meaning the application that would be heard of the supreme
court is denied. can the supreme court do that in a case that is this prominent with the former president, or will they be concerned that the 75 million or so trump voters would feel as though donald trump was somehow slighted by the supreme court, not given his rights? >> yes, they can do. it i suspect they. we'll of course, this face the same decision back in december, and january -- to the united states supreme court. it was that one sentences denial that you are referring to. one of the greatest legal scholars, alexander because, wrote a book back in the 1960s saying, the supreme maintains legitimacy by often denying cases and saying we are not going to hear them, but otherwise it puts them in a political bigot. -- this is not a strong claim by
donald trump in any way shape or form. there an overwhelming need for this evidence, because it goes to what the president was doing on january 6th. there is very little need for secrecy here, as opposed to legitimate claims of executive privilege. i really don't think this thing should go anywhere, i suspect it will not. >> and what the trump petition is asking the supreme court to do is write a new law out of thin air, that takes a power away from the president of the united states, joe biden. giving it to a man living in florida. >> in a way, you could say. that it is the case that the supreme court said in an earlier case involving nixon, that largely the zone of secrecy is decided by the incumbent president, not by some former president. for all sorts of good. reasons the whole claim that
don trump is making, or supposedly making in his filing, is he is trying to protect the office of the presidency. that's why he's doing. it it's not about self interest, or because trump is telling the truth, but that's because -- or what he is claiming. with something of a straight face before the supreme court. i think the real problem with that is when it comes to protecting the institution of the presidency, the supreme court is said, we look towards the president says the, current one, not the former. one >> bill, thank you very much for starting us off. >> thank >> you joining us now, a contributing writer at the new york magazine, and a contributing writer at the political magazine. he's also a former federal prosecutor. thank you for joining. us you have written a piece for new york magazine that is -- that preceded the the piece that we see today, saying it is very important for attorney
general merrick garland to do a serious criminal investigation of donald trump himself, along with the others that he was engaged with, apparently trying to overturn the election. what is the case you would make to the attorney general? >> look, i think this attorney general has -- he's talked a lot about the rule of law as being central to the legal system, central to americans confidence in our legal system and our democracy, and he's invoked that phrase and that principle over, and over and over again, from his speech where he was accepting is -- in terms of his legacy, and the legitimacy of this country, this is the most important case. how he handles trump's misconduct and many shenanigans, leading up to january six in the wake of the election is
going to define merrick garland's legacy, whether he likes or not. unfortunately right now, we have no indication of a criminal investigation regarding trump on january 6th, or some of the weeks leading up to january 6th. if that is correct, and if that holds, i think it's going to be a very bad precedent for our country. it's going to be a poor reflection on garlands legacy, whatever else he does. >> if you're still working in the justice department, and the attorney general says to you, in a discussion, what we will do is wait for the january 6th committee, the house select committee to complete their investigation. we will read their report and decide what to do then. what would you say to attorney general? >> that would be a great idea, except we have midterm elections coming up, in which the democrats are going to probably lose the house and,
they also lose the senate, at which point any investigation is going to get substantially complicated and interfere with. congress in addition, trump may run for reelection in 2024. he can announce his reelection at any point, any day at this point. that would also vastly complicate any ongoing criminal investigation, and i find it very hard to believe, not entirely inconceivable, but very hard to envision his attorney general in this administration conducting any sort of criminal investigation -- if he is actively running for 2024. >> now, i can imagine merrick garland responding to that in this private command level -- by saying, everything you just said is a political consideration, which includes possible outcomes of elections.
and the attorney general should not take such political considerations into account, when deciding how to proceed with a criminal investigation. >> well, i think unfortunately, politics is unavoidable. we are talking about the former president. someone who may also be a candidate for 2024. the relationship between an investigation, on a political landscape, is going to exist whether or not merrick garland likes it or not. the question, is whether he is going to do the right thing or whether he is going to abstain. whatever he does, he's going to have an effect on the 2024 election. if he does nothing, he's going to have an effect and if he does something, conducting the investigation i -- would say even if trump does not run for 2024, for the presidency, this is going to have a lasting effect -- on the structural stability of our democracy. somebody else can do some of the very same things that trump
did, maybe not the violence, but things like the call, trying to intimidate people into changing the outcome of the election, and we have a long, long history in this country for a political impunity. even if it's not about, trump we are going to pay the cost for -- on this issue. whether it's in the next couple, years or ten years from now. >> thank you very much for joining our discussion tonight. thank you >> thanks for having me. >> coming up, towards the night before christmas eve, and americans packages have mostly been received on time. except for one that i'm still waiting for. the supply chain disaster that the news media was telling you about a month ago, telling you is going to leave a lot of empty space on your christmas trees, did not happen. demand for goods is higher than it has ever been, but the supply chain has held up.
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gifts are being delivered. shelves are not empty. >> that was president biden, yesterday, on the day the new york times published this report, the warning started stream in early this fall. shop early or you may not get your gifts on time. global supply chain problems that have led to long delays in manufacturing and shipping could ripple outward, slowly packaging deliveries to millions of americans in the weeks and days before christmas, experts warned. the prospect even became a talking point in conservative attacks on president biden's policies. despite early fears, however, holiday shoppers have received
their gifts mostly on time. here's more from president biden. >> i see marty wallace, marty you've done a hell of a job pal. -- so that companies can set up registered partnerships for truck drivers in two days, instead of two months, which it was before he took over. these will help new drivers to get trained better and faster, and help companies retain drivers, it has a lot of turnover. >> joining us now, is president biden's labor secretary, marty walsh. thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thanks for having me. it's great to be on the night before christmas eve. >> so, about a month ago, and beyond, that there was a tremendous amount of fear base reports on christmas gifts not arriving on time, shelves being empty in stores, because of the
supply chain. you responded to those fears in the administration, but what did you find to be the reality of the supply chain, and what you need to do to make sure that the christmas deliveries were working well? >> well, certainly, we have work to do with the supply chain, there's no question about it. myself and other folks have -- both on the east coast in the west coast. but, the president was very clear, at the end of the summer in early fall, that he wanted to make sure that we were not -- during the holiday season, where we open the poorest 24/7, allowing the opportunity to do. that working on trucking issues, we've gotten more fine tune on those over the last couple weeks. we made it a little white house last week with, some trucking industry experts, and on the trucking industry companies. we set up a program in 90 days,
a 90-day challenge basically, to start apprenticeships to get more people into trucking. the problem -- we're living in a pandemic so we still have work to do, but the president was clear that the holiday season -- he would talk to the big stories, he would talk to the local stores, and he said we wanted to make sure the shelves restock, so that there were not problems during christmas time. if you look at that, they're doing great sales in stores, also if you look at ups, fedex in, the postal service, i believe all three of them, their numbers of service is higher than this time last year. everybody's been laser focused on making sure this holiday season is a success. >> as the administration looked into it, what did you find where the covid drive-in problems with the supply chain, as opposed to pre-existing problems with the supply chain, that needed to be modernized? >> i would say the pre-existing
stuff is really trucking. we're losing about 80,000 truckers a year, in this country. people have looked at it as a job that is not long term, when the factor is you can raise a family. some of the covid concerns are warehouses around the world that have shut down due to covid-19. we're behind on semiconductors, batteries, and other supplies, i think we can't lose sight of the fact that we're still living in a pandemic for. i think a lot of those factories are open now, we still have ships off the coast out in california, los angeles analog beach, we will get those ships in. we're working on clearing up the problem with truckers, making sure we address the problem. not just by the supply, chain but also issues with bus drivers and other types of dryers. will be working on that. the president and his task force is very focused on staying on top of these issues. we're working on them weekly,
not just meetings, but with action. that makes a difference. the task force hopefully produces some success with what the president is done here, in a very short time. it's not only a short success, but we are going to fix the problem long term. the top of the problem right now is trucking in our country. >> what is some of the -- 's retaining drivers we have enough trained drivers in the united states, but they don't want the job. one of the things that's been very clear for, looking at the retention numbers, is unionized truck drivers have a much higher job satisfaction level, and a much higher rate of retention in the job than the non unionized independence. >> you know, when you talk about unionized talk drivers, oftentimes you talk about a living wage, you're talking about the ability to turn a pension, you talking about, in some cases, health care.
we had a meeting at the white house, last week, with truck drivers. for some unionizing, non unionized companies the association for independent driver says that over the last several years, the salaries have gone the wrong direction. for we need to do a better job of making sure that people are getting paid in these jobs you know, 20 years ago trump driving was a job, or even ten years ago, still today in some cases, it's a job where you could put food on the table, roof over your head, raise a family with a good living it was hard work. but lots of people in that industry -- i don't think people have lost interest in the industry, i think the industry needs to looked to compensating the drivers better. creating opportunities as. career truck drivers are not going away, many times on the ship hits the shore, the product on that ship needs to go somewhere. the only way that's going to happen, in some cases you will,
but eventually you're gonna need a truck for the last mile. >> labor secretary, marty walsh, thank you very much for joining us. we really appreciate. it have a merry christmas. >> for thank you, and same to you, and to everybody watching, i hope everybody has a safe holiday, take care yourself. >> thank you secretary. >> coming up's president biden says it's time to change senate rules to pass voting rights legislation. that's next. fair t. fair
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getting voting rights legislation passed and not getting past is the filibuster. i support making an exception on voting rights for the filibuster. >> senate majority leader chuck schumer announced on tuesday during a conference call with senate democrats that if republicans block a vote on voting rights legislation then he would ask for a vote on
changing the rules of the senate, which would require only a simple majority to pass. senator schumer says he will bring a voting rights bill to the senate floor in early january. joining us now, jonathan alter, msnbc political analyst who just wrote an essay on joe manchin. and eugene robinson, pulitzer prize-winning opinion columnist for the washington post and an msnbc analyst. eugene, we have arrived at the voting rights moment in the united states senate. possibly, obviously, in early january, according to chuck schumer. and here is the president of the united states publicly lining up with, yes, change the senate rule in whatever way you have to to get voting rights passed. this has been a long road for joe biden. and initially very reluctant to talk about changing senate rules. now he is ready. he is out there, using all of
his years of experience in the senate to urge on the democrats in the senate to just do it. >> yeah. lawrence, first of all, merry christmas and happy holidays, and wish everyone a safe holiday season. this is a big deal, actually. because joe biden is, as you know, a creature of the senate. having literally almost spent the bulk of his adult life in the senate. he is a great respect or of senate tradition and senate customs and norms. and for him to say, yes, this is important enough to change the filibuster rule, this is a big deal. and he struck at the same sort of tone in south carolina last week when he went to speak at
south carolina state university graduation, he was very strong on voting rights. and all but said that, look, this is more important, more fundamental. build back better, after all, is a matter of arithmetic. this is more a matter that is fundamental to our democracy. and i hope the other senators are serious about it as well, he is. >> -- we've watched this debate on the senate will evolve over what is now many years. i can remember when it faster first started to come up during the george w. bush presidency and i immediately said no, no, you have to preserve the vote threshold. having worked in the senate, i knew how it worked when you were in the minority. and every senator i know was opposed to the idea the first
time the idea was proposed to them. but overtime, it seemed to me that it took the average senate mind a number of years to change on this. each individual took two or three or sometimes five years. joe biden was among the slowest in terms of changing his thinking about it. >> that's right. >> but it's not stylistically unusual from the rest of us. we were all very, very slow to come around to opposition to the 60 vote threshold. but i now am just completely opposed to it in any form in the senate. >> [laughs] >> this is where my thinking began. and i think you've witnessed this change of mind that has now gotten up to just about every ten craft in the senate. >> right. and i think it was really important when you saw senators like mark warner who had been there a while. when they started to come around in weeks and weeks, you could see real movement.
the question is why? i think the answer is that democracy is in crisis. and saving our democracy is now a bedrock issue in the democratic party. and all bets are off. all bets are off on the old way of doing things. and it's sort of like all hands on deck to protect our democracy. this voting rights bill which, by the way, it was not just cosponsored by joe manchin but written by joe manchin. it is his bill. it is actually a very good start on protecting our democracy. it doesn't do enough. they are going to have to do some other things. but it really gets the ball rolling. so now the president has teed it up in such a way that he is against changing the rules for voting rights, they are not going to get rid of the rules altogether. but changing the rules for voting rights, maybe if they won't accept a carve out, if
they call it, maybe if they go to a talking filibuster on this issue. whatever the reform measure is, if you are not for it now, inside the democratic party, you are on the wrong side of history, as most other democrats see it. >> yeah. and eugene, the president getting on board, it is an important development in so many ways, including the sequencing that the white house and the president have been working with. people who have been pushing voting rights exclusively for the last year have been very upset that the white house was not doing more, that the president was not doing more. he actually got to a point of frustration in response to a question about that, it seems like a month and a half ago, where he actually said out loud, i have to get build back better done first because if i say, you know, voting rights now, i will lose two votes on build
back better. he was referring to, without naming them, senator sinema and senator manchin. he was afraid of what he has said this week, what it would mean to senator manchin and senator sinema, when he was trying to get their votes on build back better. it seems now that build back better has slipped off to the side of the road and voting rights is passing it down the middle lane of the united states senate as far as president biden and chuck schumer are concerned. >> i think that is absolutely true. first of all, build back better, you know, ran into a brick wall called joe manchin. i'm sure they would have loved to be done with build back better. but they are not. they are not anywhere near done. and it may have to be broken up into pieces. this is just the reality. it is the reality that if they don't have mansion up for it it is not going to pass.
you are not going to get a republican for that. so that is one reason. the other reason, i think, is that the president and many senators have thought about the issue. have talk about the issue of voting rights and watched what has been happening in the republican-controlled state legislatures. -cand these laws. about not just who gets to vote, voting access. but how the vote is counted, who counts the vote. whether state legislatures get to deploy some sort of, perhaps, nefarious role in counting or miss counting the votes. i mean, this is third world stuff. this is stuff that we would -- well, we send election observers to watch it in belarus or something. and do a scathing report. and so i think people are just taking it seriously. and i think it is in the middle
lane. >> and jonathan, back when the senate was in more functional body terms, the republicans would notice this tension building on the democratic side and they would have adjusted in some way to help relieve that tension's because they would fear that the democrats would change the rule. but these republicans have done everything, every single day to increase the incentive among democrats to change the rule. >> right. because democrats realize that the republicans are so ruthless, so contemptuous of democracy that they would abolish the filibuster in a heartbeat. you know, when they get power, if it is in their interest. and by the way, if they get control of the senate they will not permit anymore judgeships from going through. they will change the rules to
make it harder to do that. they will do anything. so the strengths on them, that means fewer restraints -- not no restraints, because democrats are more ethical about this -- but fewer restraints than democrats. but to eugene's point, you mentioned build back better, it's maybe a march or an april issue. and there are some real indications that they cannot put humpty-dumpty together again. and that means room for a long talking filibuster with a mr. smith goes to washington kind of event that would bring a lot of attention to voting rights if they do not do a carve out with the rule changes instead. >> jonathan alter and eugene robinson, thank you both for joining us tonight and happy holidays to both of you. >> same to you. >> thanks. >> thank, you thank you. coming up, one thing you might have noticed about most of the articles written about vice president kamala harris these days is that they rely on unnamed whispers instead of observable facts.
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more. >> that was vice president kamala harris announcing private sector investments in central america as part of a program she is leading aimed at reducing migration from that region to the united states. our next guest, daily beast foreign affairs analyst david rothkopf writes, while vice president harris has not received credit for much of what she has done in this area, she has been undaunted, working with a methodical intensity that has won admirers around the world and among her closest colleagues. vice president harris has played a central role in reestablishing a working dialogue with leaders in central america and mexico. and last month, at the paris peace forum, vice president harris made major steps in mending the u.s. france relationship after a submarine deal strained relations between the countries. for two hours, the vice
president met one-on-one with french president emmanuel macron, who reportedly went to great lengths to show other leaders his respect for her. vice president harris is also making the case for president biden's domestic agenda, attending dozens of events across the country. president biden's chief of staff, ron klain, who previously worked in the clinton and obama white house administrations, said that harris is off to the fastest and strong start of any vice president i have seen. joining us now, david rothkopf, foreign affairs analyst and writer for the daily beast. david, thank you for joining us. i want to begin with the point that vice president harris was talking about at the beginning of this segment. she is they're trying to deal with the problems that we face at the southern border. not at the southern border but
where the people come from who are trying to cross our southern border. and the washington news media believes that they have you in a gotcha question when they asked, when are you going to the southern border? why aren't you at the southern border? why don't you go to the southern border? that is not where the problem is. the problem is in the places where the people live that has been sent them to the southern border and that's where this vice president is concentrating, on the places where they live and what can be done to change the situation there. >> that's exactly right. i think the media may be used to four years of donald trump, where it was all about photo ops and he thought he could wave a magic wand or insert his personality into anything and overnight produce change. obviously, immigration is an extremely complicated problem. it was made more complicated by the fact that donald trump shut
down the programs that we had in central america to stop immigration and its source. in the course of less than a year, this administration, led by the vice president, has gone to mexico, gone to central america, we started those programs, created a whole list of new efforts, including this 1.2 billion dollars from nearly 80 companies to invest in central america. and try to create jobs there. they've created new programs to fight corruption, new programs to deal with human trafficking at the border. and that's the work of ten months. i think that what the vice president realizes and what the president realizes is that foreign policy is not done in front of the camera very often. it is blocking and tackling. and she has been a detail oriented workhorse. and i have to say, when i spoke to mexican officials, that really impressed them, the president of mexico himself said, he wished his staff would follow up in the same way that
she had been doing and the way that her staff had been doing. >> and one of the articles that i have read about the vice president, some have included anything like the scope of your reporting -- most of those articles are unnamed people who have apparently some perspective on this. and it is full of adjectives, about attitudes. but reaching out across borders as you did with your reporting, to find out about what her work, what it actually is in these countries, and how it is perceived, that is something that is only available in your piece. and you also have real quotes from real people in washington with their names on it and people who have worked in more than one democratic administration. like, for example, jake sullivan, national security adviser. he told you this. one feature of the biden harris relationship and the obama biden relationship, a similarity is that he insists
-- and when everyone else leave the room he will often asked that she stays and they talk. while their experiences are different, he values her willingness to ask tough questions. what else can you tell us that your reporting found about the biden harris relationship? the relationship between the two? >> i think it's very strong. i think it started out strong because she is friends with biden's son beau. i think that's one of the reasons she was selected. she ran one of the biggest justice departments in the united states, and she has been willing to take on the tough tasks. some have taken her to task for doing things that are tough or would take a long time. i think he appreciates the fact that she is doing that. she has gone to latin america, she has gone to southeast asia, she has gone to europe, she has dealt with the france issue when it was tough. she has been on the cutting
edge of new issues. jake sullivan told me this as well. dealing with cyber, dealing with ransomware, dealing with ai. she has made that a focus. her staff has told me that she is extremely detail oriented, that she reads immensely, she gets up to speed. and the people in the state department told me that this is someone who has told them -- great relations with foreign leaders around the world. >> david rothkopf, thank you for joining us tonight, david's must read piece about the vice president is in the daily beast. happy holidays to david, thank you for joining us. >> happy holidays to you.
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