tv Katy Tur Reports MSNBC January 3, 2022 11:00am-12:00pm PST
good to be with you. i'm katy tur. we have breaking news from the fda. kids ages 12 to 15 can now get a pfizer booster shot and so can immunocompromised kids between 5 and 11. for everyone else who has the pfizer vaccine, you are now eligible for a booster five months after your second shot, not just six. the kids news is especially good
news for parents sending their children back to school today, that is, if the school is open. a number of district are returning to virtual learning not just because of exposure risk but because there aren't enough staffers to open. too many cases keeping too many people in isolation. here in new york city, though, public schools are open. mayor eric adams defying a call from the teachers union to go virtual. >> i am keeping my schools open and we're going to make sure that they're going to be in a safe place. that includes doubling the amount of testing that we're looking at. the science is showing us that because a child is exposed in a classroom, that entire classroom is not exposed. we did an amazing job over the weekend that many people don't know about. i put in place my team on wednesday. we were able to get over a million and a half test kits and deployed it to every school in the city. we did it in just a few days. >> okay. now here come the case numbers.
brace yourself, because they are high. over the last two weeks, cases are up over 200%. but take caution in that because hospitalizations are only up 35% and deaths, deaths are actually down. the daily average is just over 1,300. more signs that omicron is less virulent, especially among those who are vaccinated. this map from the cdc tracts community transmission across the country. officials warn the holiday weekend is causing a case count delay. so what happens when you do test positive? because some of our most trusted doctors on this show say it will happen. well, pay attention to the news, because the cdc might be about to change its isolation requirements again. >> i believe that the cdc soon will be coming out with more
clarification of that, since it obviously has generated a number of questions about at that five-day period, should you or should you not be testing people. >> so you're saying yes, they should? >> i'm not saying yes, they should. i'm saying it's something that should absolutely be considered. and i believe the cdc is going to clarify that. >> joining me now is nbc news correspondent ellison barber in new york city. nbc's ralph sanchez is in tel aviv, israel. and a professor of infectious diseases at florida university. ellison, let's talk about schools. i imagine you're getting a mixed bag of parents who are happy to be there but also some who are worried about the spread. >> there are a lot of parents we spoke to at drop-off this morning who said they feel not entirely comfortable sending their children back to school but they feel like the city has done enough to keep children as safe as possible amid new york
city's current surge. and they feel that the benefits of their children being in school, learning in-person, greatly outweighs any potential risk. on the flip side, other parents say they don't feel safe sending their children to school and wish they had another option. one woman told us, given the vaccination rate of children in new york city, it's about 42% of children in the city who are eligible to be fully vaccinated at this time. that makes her incredibly uncomfortable to send her children back to school. she works and says she has no other option but to send them back. as you said, katy, it is a mix of very different opinions. listen. >> i wish they would have gone remote, honestly, with everything going on, just the weather getting colder, i feel like a lot more kids are going to be getting sick. >> kids need to be getting together, they need interaction for learning. and yeah, i feel like, you know,
of course i'm worried about her safety a little bit but i think her mental state is much more important. >> i feel like because of the surge, they should go back to the remote learning option. you know, just tentatively speaking, until the spikes are down. >> so new york city's schools have a plan moving forward that is centered around increasing testing. previously in new york city schools, if a student tested positive for covid-19, then any unvaccinated close contact of that student had to quarantine for ten days. in theory that meant you could have entire classrooms that had to quarantine though not everyone tested positive. moving forward, they say, if a student tests positive for covid-19, the teacher will then distribute rapid at-home test kits to the entire classroom, and students who do not exhibit any symptoms and test negative
on the first and fifth day, they will be allowed to continue going to class. >> the goal here is to keep kids in school. the mayor saying it is so important not just for learning but for socialization, for mental health, and for a lot of kids in the city, to get food, frankly. rafael sanchez, we're going to that's how they got the pfizer vaccine as quickly as they did. they are now getting another dose of the vaccine. who is getting it in israel and what is the data behind it? >> katy, starting today israelis over 6 are eligible for a fourth dose of the vaccine, including people with weakened
immune systems and medical staff. israeli researchers are finding some evidence that the protection from the third dose does wane over time. the longer it's been since your third dose, the more likely you are to get infected or get sick, israeli reference say. people here have been getting the booster for six months or so now. the other factor, the israel government has been watching this wave of omicron washing over the u.s., washing over eu as it arrives in israel to slow it down. i want you to take a listen to what prime minister naftali bennett had to say as he announced that fourth dose. >> israel will once again be pioneering the global vaccination effort. we must keep our eye on the ball, act swiftly and decisively if we want to continue engaging with and working as an open
country as much as possible throughout this pandemic. >> now, the response to the fourth dose has been pretty enthusiastic so far. 100,000 israelis today either actually getting the shot or registering to get the shot. this is really a race against time at this point. omicron cases are starting to rise very rapidly in this country. and the government is trying to get as many of those fourth doses into arms as they can before the peak of the wave comes. >> let me ask you this, because you say they're throwing everything at it over there in israel. but from my understanding, life is pretty normal out there, people are still in school, still going to work, mask wearing. is that still being enforced inside or is that lax at this point? i ask this because i wonder if they're able to head off the fourth wave of omicron with these booster shots, if that's a way out of it for the rest of us. >> that's the question everybody is asking, right? there's a real determination from the government, you hear this from ministers day after
day after day, they want to try to keep the country open, they want to try to keep schools as open as possible. we were just hearing from ellison about the situation in new york. relatively few israeli children are in remote learning right now. and the hope is that the booster shots will provide this wall that will protect the country from the wave of omicron. we're going to see what happens. israel put in place very strict travel restrictions when omicron first emerged in november. that actually does seem to have succeeded in slowing down the arrival of the wave. israel seems to be a couple of weeks behind the u.s. and western europe. the wave is definitely here, cases are doubling every couple of days. and i think everybody is going to watch to see what happens when a country that has as high a rate of third doses as well as the small but growing number of fourth doses encounters omicron.
>> dr. marti, we've spoken a lot about omicron and the virulence. we're seeing the hospitalization rate isn't as high as the case suggests that it is milder. but more significantly is, a lot of the cases are reinfections or people who have vaccine and some who have boosters. those make up a very small percentage of the people we're seeing in hospital. if you look at what's going on right now, even if the% that's going in isn't that high, there's still, you know, the numbers of people in our hospitals. we're overwhelmed again. we're already asking for help. it's not a pretty situation in our hospitals. >> i guess when you're talking about the virulence, even ifhos number of cases is going to mean enough of a rise in hospitalizations to, as you said, overwhelm hospitals.
>> yes, and that's what we're seeing already, it's already a problem. let's not forget we're also seeing a higher caseload in children than we were, in part because so many children are the ones that are unvaccinated. it really is incredibly important that we get as many people vaccinated and boosted as possible. and, you know, they're not wrong in israel to consider another shot. >> let's talk about students, you were just talking about kids getting this more because kids aren't getting vaccinated. i want to play one sound bite from the florida surgeon general announcing a new testing priority, or lack of priority, for your state. let's listen. >> if your grandmother gets a test, that's a much more valuable test than the 8-year-old, you know, third graders that los angeles county is sending in to get weekly testing, right? we're going to be working to unwind the sort of testing
psychology that our federal leadership has managed to unfortunately get most of the country in over the last two years. >> so he's saying the testing of your grandmother is just frankly a little more important right now than the testing of your 8-year-old. there are people out there that are scratching their heads, some are getting angry at it. is there some sense to it? >> no, there isn't any sense to it, because it's the 8-year-old that gives the hug to the grandmother that causes the problem that the grandmother ends up in the hospital with. that's the bottom line. and there's the secondary issue that the more it spreads, the more mutations you have and the more chance there is that the next variant will not only be able to overcome our monoclonal antibodies, as this one already is. so you don't want this to just spread wildly among children. not to mention the fact that unfortunately, a very significant number of children
have gotten ill enough to require hospital care. so -- >> what does a very significant number of children mean? what is that number? >> it's hard to get an exact handle on the numbers, the best data out of the american paed i can't pediatric association has noted that there are children still suffering from long covid symptoms. a smaller number that have had the kawasaki-like mis-c, which is also a big problem in kids, among those who get it, fortunately a small percentage. and then our hospitals, our children's hospitals have -- they certainly were during the delta phase overwhelmed with children's cases and now we're seek an upward tick. what we're seeing and what we're doing a lot is a lot of the
cases we used to hospitalize we're managing as outpatient because we have better techniques to do that. >> i want to be really clear, when we're talking about kids, because parents are obviously terrified for their children, when we talk about the kids who have died from covid or have had negative outcomes from covid, and i understand every parent is concerned, but are we talking about otherwise healthy kids or are we talking about kids with preexisting conditions? >> so most of the children that have ended up in the hospital were previously totally healthy kids. however, those children who wind up in the icu and stay there for a long time are children with underlying conditions. so you have both. >> dr. marty, thank you so much. ellison barber, thank you as well. raf sanchez, thank you for starting us off today. coming up, incredible images out of colorado where a destructive blaze is being followed by a massive amount of
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there is a decent chance your travel will be upended. today alone flight aware said 17,000 flights since christmas eve have been canceled, leaving travelers as frustrated as you would expect. >> we're thinking it's an hour delay. we're going to check the monitors and make sure it's only an hour. >> you think it could be more? >> possibly. we might be staying in dallas a little longer. >> i've never seen a line like this ever in, gosh, ten years. we're going to make it. i'll just rebook it for tomorrow. >> it's wild in here, seeing some things. i'm ready to go. >> the problem is not just staffing from omicron sickouts. severe weather is also causing problems. and flight watchers expect it to only get worse. joining me now is nbc news correspondent morgan chesky from dallas love field airport. morgan, it is not a day to be
trying to get on a plane. >> reporter: yeah, katy, you're exactly right. it's kind of deceptive, blue skies, sunshine here in dallas, perfect flying weather. but the trickledown impact from winter weather and the omicron variant has been making for a rough go for travelers here. southwest, which regularly flies out of dallas love, has had 600 cancellation. across the country, that's a drop in the bucket. that's what many travelers are facing here. because of that, a one-two punch between omicron and the weather, travel experts say the rules have kind of changed. go ahead and take that travel insurance if you can. if you haven't already arrived at your airport yet. because it could come in handy with so many cancellations and delays happening. they also had this to say from triple-a. take a listen. >> if your flight is canceled, it is federal law, the airline has to offer you a full refund, if you ask for it.
but also, we also know if your flight is canceled, the airlines are obligated to get you home. they're not going to just leave you stranded. we're always telling people, hope for the best but definitely plan for the worst. >> reporter: and in addition to those numbers of cancellations and delays, i'll leave you with one more. 1,700. that's the number of tsa agents currently out right now due to covid. >> good to see your old friend andy gross on the television, he used to be on "nightly news." thank you so much. on top of all the cancellation problems, the airline industry is preparing for the introduction of 5g. airline officials are worried that it could negatively impact flight communications. nbc's kerry sanders has more.
>> reporter: the 5g signals could cause interruptions to airplanes' altimeters which are crucial for pilots during landing. at&t and verizon, which spent billions of dollars for these frequency, and the faa have yet to figure out how this will all begin. with just two days until at&t and verizon go live with their 5g coverage, the faa is getting very little cooperation from the major phone carriers. and overnight, the world's largest pilots union backed a top airline trade group calling to delay the rollout of 5g near certain airports. it comes after at&t and verizon declined a request from federal transportation officials to postpone the launch of their 5g signals for up to two weeks. the faa has warned this next generation of cell service could
interfere with some vital monitors pilots rely on to safely land planes in bad weather. this morning, the phone companies say they won't fully put their plans on hold. but for the next six months, they would agree to fade or decrease 5g signals around some airports. it's the same approach phone companies have used overseas in countries like france. at&t and verizon believe it will give the faa and plane manufacturers time to determine if interference is simply theoretical or indeed real. >> they're testing the airplanes about as rapidly as they can. all we need to do is give them time to find out which devices are susceptible. >> reporter: the faa has already said it may order pilots to land planes manually starting this week when arriving at airports near 5g stations, writing letters to the phone company on new year's eve, failure to reach
an agreement will force the u.s. aviation sector to take steps to protect the safety of the traveling public. >> you're talking about hundreds of cancellations and thousands of people whose travel plans are disrupted. >> reporter: more travel disruptions, the last thing those who have been facing major flight cancellations and delays say is needed. now, there is hope both sides will answer the call for compromise. at&t and verizon spent $70 billion for these frequency and say they feel pressure to turn on these signals, because t-mobile, which is on a different frequency, has already started deploying its 5g service. meantime, as the faa is trying to figure out what to do, the airlines say if there is a slowdown at airports, that flights have to be spaced out upon landing because of the more manual approaches, well, that will cost the airline industry billions of dollars. >> kerry sanders, kerry, thank you. ahead, we'll go live to
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on thursday, both president biden and former president trump will commemorate one year since the deadly insurrection at the capitol. one account will be rooted in truth. the other in a big lie. despite what we all witnessed with our eyes that day, there is new polling suggesting the lie of january 6th, the one being promoted by former president trump and much of the gop, is gaining support. and not surprisingly, it's falling along party lines. polling from cbs shows republicans and democrats aren't even close to a consensus on what happened that day, while abc news polling shows a majority of republicans still falsely believe president biden did not win the 2020 election. "washington post"/universe of maryland numbers are alarming. the percentage of total
americans who say violent action against the government is sometimes justified currently stands at 34%. among republicans and independents, that number is north of 40%. that is millions of people. joining me is nbc's leigh ann caldwell on capitol hill, msnbc political analyst phil rucker, and msnbc contributor betsy woodruff-swann. these numbers are scary, leigh ann. >> and the january 6th committee is trying to turn that narrative around and put the truth out. on the sunday shows yesterday, the chairman and vice chair of the committee really tried to put into focus where they're at in their investigation. and they said that they are learning a lot about what happened that day, including what the former president donald trump did that day and who spoke
to him. let's listen to what liz cheney said yesterday and what she has learned so far. >> the committee has firsthand testimony now that he was sitting in the dining room next to the oval office, watching the attack on television. members of his staff were pleading with him to go on television, to tell people to stop. we have firsthand testimony that his daughter ivanka went in at least twice to ask him to please stop this violence. >> cheney and bennie thompson, the chair of that committee, did not rule out a criminal referral to the department of justice on the former president. but they also did say that dereliction of duty is something that was absolutely apparent that day. they're not even done with their investigation, they still have a ways to go, and they think things are coming into focus on what went down that day. >> so we're all looking not just to the past, not just to a year ago, phil, we're looking to the
future, we're looking at to 2022 and also 2024 where there are serious concerns among a lot of political experts, national security experts, journalists, that the next election won't be fair and the person who loses the election might be the one who becomes the president-elect. given the numbers we're seeing out of these polls who believe joe biden is not the president, and that violence against the government is sometimes justified, that's millions of people, what is the white house doing about this? i texted a senior official the other day and they didn't even get back to me. can they do anything? >> they're limited, katy, in what they can do. president biden campaigned on restoring and protecting democracy, he said that would be a hallmark of his presidency. clearly the administration would like voting rights to pass in the congress in the coming weeks.
obviously that's been a property for some type that has slipped behind infrastructure, behind build back better, has lost momentum on capitol hill. i think there will be an effort in the coming days to use the anniversary of january 6th to revive that. passing the voting rights bill is simply not enough to protect, to fortify democracy given what we're hearing in public opinion surveys and what frankly we're seeing with our own eyes around the country, the fact that tens of millions of americans continue to believe the election was rigged when there is no evidence to support that claim. and you just look to the anniversary coming up on thursday, where biden is going to be delivering a speech from the capitol marking what happened there that day and the attacks. but you're also going to have a press conference from former president trump down at mar-a-lago, his private club in florida. and i think we can anticipate that trump is going to continue to propagate falsehoods and lies
and you can expect tens of millions of followers to believe every word he says. >> betsy, part of the polling, it says two-thirds of americans surveyed by cbs see the events of january 6th as a harbinger of increasing political violence, that it's not an isolated incident. there are a lot of people who think that 2024 is going to be violent. when you're talking to your sources about this, i mean, beyond just the white house, where do we stand? >> it's hard to see january 6th as anything other than a harbinger of significant threats. but it's also important to remember something people night not have thought about or might not be front of mind for many folks who saw what unfolded that day. it's important to remember that this country has a long and troubling history of political violence. and in recent years, national security experts have concluded, frankly, just from tallying up the number of casualties, that
the threat from domestic terrorism is a greater threat to the homeland than the threat that international terrorism poses. this is something that still persists, is a deep concern at the highest levels at the department of homeland security and at the fbi. they're really worried and focused on the extent to which this type of politically motivated violence still poses a threat. another key piece of this equation about security and violence is the fact that the u.s. capitol police have seen really frightening levels of attrition in the year after january 6th. the head of the capitol police department says that they are about 200 officers short of what they need. they're considering right now bringing in private security contractors to help to secure the capitol campus, because they haven't been able to retain the officers they need to keep the capitol building secure. that's something that's so disturbing, because capitol police already failed on january 6th to fully secure that
building in part because of what my sources in that department say was a significant failure of the leadership of that police department. the department has shrunk even more since january 6th. that suggests there are major concerns within the department about the competence of its management and that's something that exists as a security vulnerability even now, a year after that awful attack. >> when you talk to national security sources, betsy, beyond just the capitol itself, is there anything being gamed out for 2024, if "x" happens, we're going to do "y," if there is another violent insurrection with millions of people or thousands of people, if there are more armed people who try to forcefully take over state houses, et cetera, is there a contingency plan being floated for 2024? >> that's a great question. i don't have knowledge of a specific contingency plan. but what i can tell you is one
of the key focuses for people in the national security space, which is not particularly sexy but became incredibly important in the wake of january 6th, is information sharing between state and local law enforcement officials and the feds. as we saw on january 6th, federal lawnforcemead a massive blind spot about the immense danger these far right protesters would pose when they reached the capitol building. but many law enforcement officials at the state and local levels were much more clear-eyed and much more precient about the threat. one of the reasons the u.s. capitol building wasn't as secured as it should have been on january 6th was that the feds didn't take those warnings from their state and local partners as seriously as they should have. this is often an issue in federal law enforcement, they get a certain superiority complex and there's a big blind spot. there's a big focus on trying to
help the feds communicate better so as these threats metastasize and materialize, they'll know what their state and local partners know. >> i hate having to talk about this with you guys because it is scary, but it's something we all need to face head-on that's coming at us. thank you very much. we're also watching the white house where president biden is meeting with farmers, ranchers, and meat processors on the food supply chain. we'll bring you any news as we get it. first up, a wake-up call for expectant mothers. this "the new york times" investigation really got me over the weekend, new reporting and new concerns about the technology doctors use to detect genetic abnormalities. ♪are you ready♪ ♪are you ready♪
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the search was further complicated this weekend by a snowstorm that blanketed the area. meantime, officials are investigating what sparked the fire that destroyed nearly 1,000 homes and businesses. nbc news' gadi schwartz is live in louisville, colorado just southeast of boulder. gadi, those images are shocking. >> reporter: yeah, they're shocking. the images of the fire ripping through here are shocking. then there's the surreal images of these houses blanketed in snow. this neighborhood has about 120 houses and the only homes standing are two or three out of a hundred homes that have been completely destroyed. there's christmas ights that are melted. you can see refrigerators and debris that's fallen into
basements. they've collapsed in on themselves. and all of this in snow has made it extremely difficult for crews to get in here and investigate the origin of the fire, which was four miles away, because the origin and the direction of the fire, much of it is covered underneath this snow. we know that two people are still missing. earlier, it was five people that were missing in all of that chaos. fortunately three people were found safe, they were basically evacuated, got separated from their family, and after things calmed down a little bit they were able to be reunited. but two people are still missing. we understand cadaver dogs have been brought in but so far there is nothing standing at those homes and they have not been able to locate or recover any bodies out here. meanwhile, the sheriff is expected to be providing an update in about an hour or so. we're hoping to learn a little bit more about the origin of this fire. it happened four miles away
which gives you the scope of how big of a fire that is, four miles that way, swept all the way through here, almost like a hurricane force firestorm and ripped down some neighborhoods this way too. this is 100 homes, that's about a tenth of the total homes lost here in colorado last week, katy. >> gadi schwartz, thank you very much. and more than a third of pregnant women in america will undergo a prenatal genetic screening test during their first try mercy. ttrimester. for the last decade, test makers have claimed they can detect any and all risks with near perfect accuracy. however a new investigation by "the new york times" reports a majority of those tests beyond down syndrome are usually wrong.
"the times"' analysis found 85% of tests are incorrect, meeting the vast majority of those diagnoses are wrong. dr. mary norton, an obstetrician and geneticist from the university of california at san francisco, joins us. i went through this genetic testing when i was pregnant with my first son, and after that i was told i should probably -- i had nothing wrong but that i should probably get an amniocentesis which is poking a woman in the amniotic sac which can be dangerous and can lead to miscarriage, it's also painful. and again, i didn't need that. so hearing that these tests are not even correct most of the time is very frustrating for me, and i didn't even have any issues. i can't imagine being told my
kid had some sort of problem and finding out later all that worry was wrong, or aborting the fetus because it was too scary. >> yeah, well, thank you for having me to talk about this, i think it is a really important subject, so i'm glad it's being brought up. a couple of things are important in what you said, in the article. one is that it is important to remember that these are screening tests, right? so any time you do a screening test, we identify many people as flags for followup, many of whom turn out actually to be perfectly fine. so that is just the nature of the beast. i think the challenge is, with these prenatal tests that have added very, very rare abnormalities, even a small inaccuracy becomes magnified when a condition is rare. i think these tests are actually extremely accurate for things like down syndrome and some of the other chromosome problems that are more common, that are
really what the tests were designed to identify. it's when things get added that are these very rare microdeletion syndromes, which is what this article was about, that one gets into a case where many of the positives or most of the positives turn out to be false positives. >> when you are a mother and you go in to your doctor and the doctor says get the mat 25 which tests for the majority of the stuff, including down syndrome, but then the further genetic testing, what do you say to your doctor if they're suggesting this based on nothing more than, i don't know, your age or just because you want this information? >> the important thing about these other conditions, they're not associated with maternal age. they're just something that can be offered to any patient, as opposed to down syndrome that we all know is more likely in women who are older mothers. the microdeletions can happen to
anyone, but they are extremely rare. so i think it is important, i think one of the issues really is that patients don't completely understand it, and i think many providers don't understand some of these conditions and how rare they are and how that affects the accuracy of the test and the performance of the test. so i think a patient that's looking or asking questions should ask how likely is it that this will find a problem, what's the chance my baby actually has this problem, and what's the chance, if i have a positive result, what does that mean, what's the chance of a true positive versus a false positive and what is the followup after that? i would like to add that amniocentesis, as you said, is scary for women but it's actually a very safe procedure. >> i guess if you're being told -- i don't know, my question is, if these tests are
as inaccurate as the "times" reporting is suggesting, i wonder why any doctor would have the woman undergo it if it's 81% wrong, 84% wrong, 80% wrong, 86 these extremely rare disorders. >> well, the majority of women are not having tests for those extremely rare disorders. the majority of providers are recommending testing for down syndrome and the common chromosome abnormalities. for those conditions, these tests are extremely accurate. i think these other conditions -- it's not so much the test isn't accurate. the conditions are so rare that even a very small rate of false positives can be amplified. >> after being presented with some of the reporting, half a dozen of the largest prenatal companies declined interview requests. they issued statements that said
parents should review results with a doctor and caution the tests are meant not only to diagnose but rather to identify high risk patients in need of additional testing. thank you so much for joining us. i appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> it's a touchy and scary subject, especially for moms. thank you for joining us. coming up next, the details of the settlement between jeffrey epstein and a woman accusing prince andrew of sexual assault were just released. what does it mean for the case against the duke of york? t the k really truly absorb the natural goodness. new chapter. wellness, well done.
♪ ♪ only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪ we are following breaking news in the elizabeth holmes trial. the jury is deadlocked on several counts. scott, there are a number of counts, a deadlock on just a few of them. what does this mean? >> reporter: well, they're not done yet. as is typical in the case, the judge sent them back to deliberate more. there are a total of 11 counts in this indictment. the jury came back after 46 hours of deliberations over the space of a little more than seven days, and they said they
are unable to reach a unanimous verdict on three of the counts. we don't know which those are. we can tell you the way that the indictment plays out, there are three counts of wire fraud against patients. we don't know if those are the counts they are deadlocked on. the judge did what is typically done in a situation like this, reading them what is known as the allen charge, meant to break a deadlock. telling them, you have a duty to discuss the case with one another and to deliberate in an effort to reach a unanimous verdict if you can do so without violating your individual judgement. at the request of the defense, he also read them -- reread one of the jury instructions they got before they began deliberations on the 17th of december, saying it is the duty of the government to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt if they are to find holmes
guilty. this jury, eight men and four women, will be sent back to deliberate, to basically try harder. we will see if that leads to a verdict or a partial verdict today. elizabeth holmes could face up to 20 years in prison if convicted. >> we will be watching. thank you very much. a key hearing tomorrow concerning the civil lawsuit against prince andrew brought by a woman who says he sexually assaulted her as a teenager. a federal court just unsealed documents connected to that. he denied all accusations. a focus is on the case after maxwell was found guilty of sex trafficking, convicted for her role in recruiting and grooming teenage girls for jeffrey epstein. >> reporter: this is a crucial week for prince andrew and his lawyers as they fight once again to try to get this civil lawsuit dismissed. try to avoid what could be a very ugly, public trial over
allegations that a woman was forced to have sex with the prince. prince andrew back in the headlines. pressure after the conviction of maxwell last week who is facing up to 65 years in prison for traffiing girls for epstein. it comes as lawyers for the queen's second son fight to get a civil suit thrown out. this woman alleges she was forced to have sex with the prince three times in 2001 when she was 17. after being introduced to him at maxwell's london home and dancing with him at a nightclub. she believes the maxwell verdict could lead to other revelations. >> as others who were involved, that make the sex trafficking operation possible, maxwell is just the beginning. >> reporter: prince andrew denied all of the allegations, telling the bbc in 2019 -- >> i have no recollection of
ever meeting this lady. >> reporter: the prince has said he was at a pizza restaurant with his daughter that night. in court documents, her lawyers have asked for proof, including witnesses or the prince's official schedule. for proof of the prince's assertion he is unable to sweat in response to a claim he was sweating profusely the night she met him. prince andrew's lawyers pushing back, tried twice last week to have the suit dismissed and lost. they will try again in a hearing tomorrow. arguing in part that a 2009 settlement between epstein and the woman unsealed today protects the royal from legal action. the big question now, will maxwell have anything to say about prince andrew? >> clearly, if she's pursuing an appeal against the verdict, then she will keep her mouth shut. when it comes to sentencing, we
know she's going to spend the rest of her life in jail. >> reporter: prince andrew stepped back from royal duties in 2019. he hasn't been removed permanently. he holds nine military titles. if this trial does go forward, it's possible that it could ratchet up the pressure on the queen and buckingham palace to remove him and strip him of his titles. >> thank you very much. that's it for me today. hallie jackson picks up our coverage next. up our coverage next. . these moments may not seem remarkable. but at pfizer, protecting the regular routine, and everyday drives us to reach for exceptional. working to impact hundreds of millions of lives... young and old. it's what we call, the pursuit of normal. ♪ ♪
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