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thank you so much for letting us into your homes during these truly extraordinary times. we're grateful. "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. >> welcome to "the beat." i am ari melber. tonight we're tracking a new headache for rudy giuliani and a new special report on one of the most pressing issues facing america. it's something we've all been working on here on "the beat" to bring you. one of our most detailed reports tonight. so that is coming up. we begin right here, with the president making news tonight by pushing a solution that he has long held back on, for which he says is now crucial for our democracy itself. joe biden, the defender of so many senate traditions, saying the anti-majority obstruction against voting rights must end
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now. >> today i'm making it clear, to protect our democracy i support changing the senate rules, whichever way they need to be changed to prevent a minority of senators from blocking action on voting rights. when it comes to protecting majority rule in america, the majority should rule in the united states senate. >> that might look like just another address, but this white house says it was much more. the president putting this on moral terms as well, laying a wreath at martin luther king's grave. you see that there, dramatic moment today from this president. and linking all of this to the ongoing crackdown on voting rights, including those new laws in 19 different states just in the last year. biden also visiting the historic
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ebenezer baptist church where king was minister, arguing that ending the current gop filibuster against voting rights is not just about procedure or one more washington skirmish, but rather it connects with today's tests of our democracy itself. >> will we choose democracy over atocricit, light over shadows, justice over injustice. i know where i stand. i will not yield, i will defend the right to vote our democracy against all enemies, foreign and, yes, domestic. if you want to be on the side of dr. king or george wallace? do you want to be on the side of john lewis or bull conner? do you want to be on the side of abraham lincoln or jefferson davis? >> that's really something.
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let's take this seriously. those are three striking historical examples from the president. and while reasonable people may honestly disagree about where the senate's voting rights bill ranks in comparison to those very grave points in history, here's what's not in doubt. using the examples he gave us. both lincoln and davis made claims about what was justice under the law, as did both john lewis and bull conner. conner was an alabama safety commissioner and public official. he shrouded his attacks on the language of law, as did george wallace before him. there are people pushing voter suppression today who do that, too. they talk about voter fraud and electoral certification as a cover for authoritarianism. there's nothing new about these kind of ploys and this shouldn't be partisan.
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thinking about the examples, conner and wallace were virulent racists and spent many years in the democratic party at the time, as joe biden knows when he cited them today. the point is how this goes beyond party or debatable in vocations of law. the president ininsisting that lawing them to vote unfettered and the senate's ability to consider majority votes among those elected in the most recent election, that is no longer tenable. so biden is rallying the public tonight to try to get all the senate democrats on board to end one part of an obstruction tactic that has, he says, long outlived whatever purpose it was once supposed to have, and is, as a matter of historical fact, again being used to thwart civil rights in this nation, even when now a majority of voters have come around to supporting the party that says it wants to have this up or down vote on your
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civil and voting rights. it's an important story and we begin with a guest in the thick of it. i'm joined by reverend al sharpton, an msnbc colleague, who speaks to us today on the road and as president of the national action network, and i understand, folks were just telling me, you just spoke with both the president and the vice president moments ago. we have that photo there. and i'm also joined by professor melissa murray with nyu law school. welcome to both of you. rev, your thoughts on what matters today, given all of this, and if you have reflections to tell us about your meeting of the president and vice president, your discussions with them, let us know as well. >> well, i think today was a very important day. particularly for those of us that are engaged in voting rights and civil rights, because we've been saying for months we
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wanted the president to speak up. i was in philadelphia when he made his speech on voting rights and i said to him after, the one thing you did mention was filibuster, you did a very good speech, but you didn't mention filibuster. well, he did today, and he said what eve been urging him to say, martin luther king iii, and we've been working on this and i was glad to hear him say it, even though i wish he had said it earlier. he said it strongly today. but i think the context of him saying it in martin luther king's hometown and his church, and sitting there with the vice president and senator warnock that would not be in office if it had not been for the voting rights back in '65, and i think
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that he put it where it should be. the voting rights act had a moral movement, saying the country must live up to what the country professes. the question now, is will the democrats, namely senator manchin, senator sinema and others, that have appeared reluctant, are they willing to go down in history saying they chose george wallace's side, and they did it on dr. martin luther king weekend. i don't know that they have the kind of moral strength to really say that they can turn around on this weekend that we celebrate dr. king and say that they're on the other side. i would hope that they would, in many ways, hear the appeal of the president. it was very strong. i said to the president, you said what we've been urging it to say, you said it in the
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strongest language. and i said to the vice president that i think you've fulfilled a mission. the question is whether all of the democrats will stand up and say to a democratic president and a democratic vice president, we're not only not on your side, we're on the side of those that oppose dr. king and john lewis and others. >> really striking, and thank you. stay with us, rev. i know you're traveling and doing work while also making time for us. professor, the rev said several things. i'll pick up on one of them, which is that he and other civil rights leaders and progressive leaders have been pushing biden to get where he is today. this is not where he publicly was last year, let alone five years ago, let alone when he was a senator. just as dr. king and others who make history in the very literal sense of not watching it or predicting it, but adding pressure, adding direct action, doing the things that may affect how lawmakers and others act is
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part of this process. i'm curious what you see here and what you think of the president's point as a law professor that this has been a tool of voter suppression. >> well, it's very clear that president biden who during his career as a senator was very much known as an institutionist was skeptical of the prospect for filibuster reform for a long time. but i would imagine his experience as vice president in the obama administration and watching executive branch nominees and judicial nominees go down waiting for votes helped to turn his mind. and certainly the increasing polarization in washington makes clear with a super majority rule like the filibuster, very little is going to get done with his domestic agenda if the filibuster remains in place. his speech was not advocating for wholesale removal, but voting rights legislation. this is a more narrow kind of view than what many progressives would want, but i think the president is worried about the prospect of the, quote, unquote,
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nuclear option, eliminating the filibuster in total and the prospect in later years that another party, maybe with different agenda items, would be willing to use a simple majority to advance its own thoughts that may not be compatible with what we're thinking today. it's a major evolution on his part and he's right, the filibuster has been used in ways that have obstructed civil rights throughout this history. political scientists at the brookings institution have known that between 1917 and 1994, of the legislation that was filibustered, roughly half of it was civil rights. these are bills that didn't make it to the floor for a vote. >> you make such great points. we have some of that just briefly, to reinforce. the professor is talking about how often segregationists and others over history used this. it's the weapon of choice. we've also counted ten different years where it's been used to
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stop, for example, anti-lynching and discrimination bills, as well as the 1964 civil rights act, which had a 60 day filibuster, led by southern senators. we have some of that historical record there. you see when they finally did prevail, the late martin luther king there with president johnson, and, rev, as i mentioned earlier, as a journalist and, frankly, as a citizen, i see this as really something above the typical politics. a lot of the people who were abusing it back then, as well as some of the segregationists, were democrats. democratic politicians. who cares? how we're seeing more republicans lined up. do you think the president can make headway as he tried to do today in getting the rest of america to care about this, not as one more, quote, unquote, partisan issue, but really a question of whether there will be these rights for all? >> i think that it was a very
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serious attempt by him and i think it certainly puts those senators on the spot. you must remember that in '65 linden johnson didn't lead the voting rights movement. he was one that was influenced by it. he first told dr. king he couldn't get a voting rights bill and it was because of the march and amelia boyington and john lewis that turned the public around. i think if the public heard what the president said, what they've been hearing many of us say with marches and rallies, the public is saying we cannot have something as fundamental as the right to vote be impeded from citizens being able to vote. when the president talked about how can you stop people from getting water and food on a line if they're standing for hours to vote, how can you do that. and he quoted the bible.
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that is where the argument needs to be made. i, for one, want to see the filibuster go, period. but clearly it needs to be carved out in terms of voting. and for those that say if they do it now, the republicans use it, is there any doubt in anyone's mind that mitch mcconnell is going to go around the filibuster back into the majority. he did it for judicial nominations for donald trump. there's no honor in mitch mcconnell saying you guys didn't do it to me, i'm not going to do it to you. of course he's going to do it. if we're going to do it, we need to do it around the fundamental protection of voting rights when 19 states have already put in state laws that would impede and obstruct people's ability to vote. >> all really important points. the rev speaking to us here, as mentioned. just after meeting with the president and vice president, speaking to them amidst this
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push. i want to thank the professor for joining us and reverend sharpton. the rev's book "righteous troublemakers" is out now. coming up, we have a lot more. there's breaking news in the january 6th probe and it's not good for rudy giuliani. and then our special report, looking at pandemic billionaires and a fight for justice. that's also tonight. stay with us. that's also tonight. stay with us ay♪ ♪takes everything you've got♪ ♪ ♪taking a break from all your worries ♪ ♪sure would help a lot ♪ ♪wouldn't you like to get away? ♪ ♪ ♪ sometimes you want to go ♪ ♪where everybody knows your name ♪ ♪ ♪and they're always glad you came ♪ are you taking a statin drug to reduce cholesterol? it can also deplete your coq10 levels. i recommend considering qunol coq10
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committee getting closer to trump saying today they want to talk to his former lawyer, rudy giuliani. >> he's an integral part of whatever happens. he's on the list of a lot of people we'll be talking to. >> so you do want to talk to him at some point? >> at some point. >> do you think it's a matter of time before you do a subpoena for mr. mayor giuliani? >> well, you know, we are working through the process. >> giuliani was part of the war room team at the willard hotel. the committee issued three new subpoenas today to people around donald trump jr., some of his so-called advisers, as well as a former trump official who wrote part of trump's january 6th speech. as the probe gets closer to trump's inner circle there's the probe in georgia, the d.a. saying i think in the first half
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of 2022 decisions will be made. our colleague, rachel maddow, reporting exclusively last night that trump's attorneys met with georgia's prosecutors in december. >> we can report exclusively tonight that attorneys for former president donald trump have now met in person with the fulton county district attorney's office in georgia. >> i'm joined by former federal prosecutor flannary who once worked with rudy giuliani in new york. welcome back, sir. your thoughts on what this all means. >> rudy should be seeking my advice now, perhaps. the thing about rudy is, if you remember election night, he is reportedly the one who decided, having had a few drinks, he went to trump, got him alone and he said four words, just say we won. and that defines what became the plan that they circulated, what
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the lawyer said, it put them in the hotel putting everything together. so he's the guy that can pull it altogether, and bannon is another, stone is another, and the other day you had on another assistant, navarro, who was present in that conversation in georgia. present in the sense they were all on the phone, in which raffensperger, the strait for -- the secretary of state for georgia was threatened. so we have some pretty devilish information and i would say the january 6th committee is at ramming speed, if you will. they're cleaning up. when they come to rudy and some of the others, you have to look over your shoulder and say what is the justice department doing with meadows? we still don't have a subpoena for the simple act of him not complying with the congressional committee. we've asked them to hold him in
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contempt, to prosecute him for contempt and they haven't done it. and i think the committee would be well served and i think the facts justify it, that they should consider inherent subpoena power when it comes to the next round. >> on the point you're making, you think, then, that attorney general garland, who is the final call here, is not being tough enough on meadows and these type of calls? >> tough enough? not tough at all. you've heard me say before that bobby kennedy said when the going gets tough, the tough get going. not this attorney general. and we introduce a unit in which we're concerned about terrorism in america and we're still chasing rioters and we can't even get a prosecution for meadows on a simple misdemeanor. and you have navarro on, whos in the middle of this, and i can't
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imagine as a prosecutor not wanting to pick up the phone and saying do we have to subpoena you or do you want to come by. it is impossible for me to believe that anything is happening at justice, despite the language they give us. it's all talk and no action. and the time is going past. if there wasn't so much visible paper, recordings, admissions, you would say that they wasted all that time and the case is cold. but it's not cold. in fact, between the books that these arrogant people writing admitting what they did, it's a very hot investigation. and the justice department is saying, what is america concerned about? shouldn't we be concerned about terrorism? the key to controlling domestic terrorism is that they have to believe they'll be prosecuted for their bad acts, and that's not the case. you give misdemeanors to the rioters, you don't look at the principles who basically put together the plan, circulated it to the republicans on the hill, came up to the hill, had this
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entire fraudulent fact and legal approach to how they would change the vote of the electoral college. come on, if you were to write this and send it to somebody in your neck of the words in new york and say i want you to publish it, they would say it's implausible, it will never happen. but it has. we have to stop talking and start doing. that's what we have to do. >> no, i appreciate your clarity, your reaction on the legal issue here and people know where you stand and you've been inside the doj, so when you talk about what they're not doing it comes from that knowledge. always good to see you, sir. >> thank you. thank you for having me. >> thank you. now, our special report begins when we come back in 60 seconds. we're dealing with a rare challenge that cuts to the heart of justice, confronting pandemic billionaires and the fate of the biden presidency. may sound like i'm exaggerating, but i am not. i'll tell you why when we're back in one minute. back in one minute ingredients, and fermentation.
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now to our special report tonight, about a challenge that impacts all of us, that many of us thought we might be getting past but is getting worse than ever. i'm not talking about covid. i am talking about how prices are rapidly going up in record-breaking inflation. >> inflation soared in november, rising to its highest level in nearly four decades. >> inflation is hitting americans hard. >> costs skyrocketing for rent, food, gas, clothing and so much more. >> north american beef prices are soaring. we're all going to have to switch to something without meat, like taco bell. >> gas prices have soared more than a dollar, reaching levels we haven't seen since 2014. >> the latest numbers suggest that inflation may get worse before it gets better. >> america is getting absolutely rocked by inflation, some of the worst price spikes in over three
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decades. goods prices alone up over 50% in the past year. so what is inflation? you know, this issue could actually get lost in economic jargon. the bottom line, inflation is a rise in prices. when many prices start going up, the real value of your salary, your money drops. so you're working just as hard, getting the same salary, but suddenly it doesn't go as far because what you could afford yesterday you can't afford today. inflation is now surging to a 40-year high. you can think of this as a lateral version of fat joe's iconic phrase, yesterday's price is not today's price, which caught on last year. >> yesterday's price is not today's price. >> as fat joe was saying, yesterday's price is not today's price. >> just remember that yesterday's price is not today's
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price. >> yesterday's price is not today's price. >> yesterday's price is not today's price! >> yesterday's price is not today's price. >> yesterday's price is not today's price. >> it's not today's price. [ laughter ] >> joe was explaining how one great concert can raise a performer's fee, the price went up. these days, most prices are up across the board. this may sound like a macro economics story or a household budgetle item. it actually cuts much deeper than that, which is what i want to talk to you about tonight. this is about fairness, economic justice, and power. when you see both who bears the risk in our version of capitalism and how this one dynamic can shape who wins elections or stays in flower, when it gets bad inflation has helped determine who is
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president. right now top democrats are working overtime to try to prevent president biden from following president carter's fate, a democrat who was elected to clean up after a period of corruption and criminality, finding voters consumed by the rotting effects of inflation wiping out any gains and rocking their livelihood. it may be easy toe forget now, but jimmy carter found his first and only term saddled with inflation. >> inflation hurts us all and every part of the country, whether we have a job, or whether we are looking for a job. we must race just to keep up with the constant rise in prices. >> that inflation wasn't a partisan or democratic problem. republican gerald ford who first replaced richard nixon after his resignation had declared inflation public enemy, none and his own advisers ultimately concluded that his policies to thwart it were basic stupidity and didn't work. but voters were nonetheless
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angry and many felt that new president jimmy carter was weak in his response. americans getting crushed by rising gas and heat prices, then found a president sporting a cardigan offering thrifty tips. >> all of us must learn to waste less emergency, simply by keeping our thermostat at 65 degrees in the daytime and 55 degrees at night, we could save half the current shortage of natural gas. >> carter lost re-election and the u.s. spent years battling inflation before getting it under control. the u.s. has a strong monetary policy and a resilient economy, but in some other countries, hyperinflation does more than impact an election, it can topple systems of government. it was a precursor to hitler's rise to power in germany and more recently in 2018 a range of problems drove inflation so high, in venezuela, that money
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became almost worthless, topping 800,000%. imagine living in a place where your rent is doubled five times in a row and the whole thing is collapsing. >> the situation in venezuela. >> the economy tanked when oil prices fell. >> inflation has exploded. >> the currency is so devalued, some shop keepers weigh the money rather than waste time counting. >> conditions have grown increasingly dire. >> prices have been almost doubling every month for the past nine months. >> the cost of food and medicine has risen so dramatically many are forced to choose between. >> that was all driven by inflation, as devastating to people as a depression or a sear ice of hurricanes, basic goods ultimately were costing millions and millions of bo liv ars. economists do not project anything like that happening
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here. price surges do not mean the entire economy of the united states goes into ruins, and here we have some different factors, because it's a ongoing pandemic that's been disrupting everything from supply chains to shipping delays, to shipping price spikes. the pandemic affects who goes to work in person or at all, plus wider labor shortages from the first layoffs of 2020 to the more recent great resignation and shifting consumer demand as people return to some type of economic life after quarantines. we see these prices surges for everything from cars to gas to eggs to beef. 40% of adults say price jumps are greatly impacting their finances, the share higher for families who make under $50,000 a year. that's where all of this goes back to what kind of capitalism we're living with. the median individual income in america is $44,000 a year or about $3,600 a month. so it's not a burden that's shared equally when it comes to
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inflation. the top percentage may not think about it at all, but there's a broad group that work hard, pay taxes, stick to their budgets and find it's the difference between a balanced budget and going in-depth or going hungry. >> i know a lot of people are struggling. >> gas prices are bananas. >> it's up to me to do some serious plan to go make sure that we can afford groceries. >> i don't have enough money to pay for gas every day. >> if you want to go with the fresh meats and things, they're expensive. >> who can afford to fill up 15, 20 gallons of gasoline? >> everything is more expensive. everything across the board. >> prices has gone up dramatically. it's just not in our budget to even go out and do anything. >> this is what so many people are dealing with day in and day out right now. this is important. this is national news and this is also where the economic justice comes in, because in
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some areas it may be harder to see, the truth is that inflation it is america's secret tax that dashes the supposed raises americans get. the surprisingly rising wages have merely matched inflation in the cost of living. few workers have the same purchasing power as 40 years ago, despite their supposed raises. so to see the full reality you have to keep that fact in mind, as some companies have begun lately coughing up some raises and touting labor policies. these wage hikes are evaporating in real time by inflation. these companies aren't acting out of generosity, they tell shareholders they're only paying workers the minimum they have to in order to get these workers. companies like target and cvs brought minimum pay up to $15 an hour. there's been a 12% increase in
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hospitality sectors. one outlet recently argued that wages and inflation remain in combat with inflation winning, while rallying labor power might eventually help wages strike back or win this war. this and run a lot deeper than gas prices going up. this is about the wider system that operates in american capitalism to hit the working poor the hardest. and that means many of the same people who have been doing all of that in person essential work, from nursing to food deliveries to stocking the grocery shelves. there can also be real talk of classism in play here. we reported on some of this when the news was first breaking in 2020 when all of the elite talk of just staying home or closing all the schools was still functionally operating on the backs of the people who didn't stay home because they had to deliver groceries and toilet paper and hot meals to a lot of
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other folks who would stay home. so if you find someone in conversation who sounds cavalier about this inflation, there's a good deal that we're not worried about it driving them into dent. billionaires are doing even better with a pandemic windfall estimated around $200 mill. this in equal inflation crisis is the context for a challenge that faces the biden administration. >> everything from a gallon of gas to a loaf of bread costs more and it's worrisome. >> the american people will see costs reduced around some of the essential services they need. >> we're tracking these issues and trying to figure out how to tackle them head-on. >> the administration says we've been doing that for months,
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investing a new billion dollars in a program for the meat industry to deal with rising prices, ordering the largest release of crude oil in american history ever to cool down those prices. in 2021, biden authorized those stimulus payments trying to help low income families through all of this, plus that historic child tax credit that we covered at the time. that lifted about 3 million children out of poverty if its first month alone and was a key protection for families dealing with what i just showed you. the federal reserve has the most direct power over this. it's supposed to be independent and nonpartisan. its officials are signaling a hike in interest rates to combat inflation as soon as march. financial experts project the fed may do that three times this year, which does raise strayedoffs like whether that leads to higher interest payments on credit cards and mortgages. some are urging caution about
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not overreacting to inflation for that reason. all of this, though, runs deeper than monetary policy to the interlocking trends that hold workers back. as billionaires take up more wealth than any other time ever in world history, that's the context as workers' ability to even pay what it costs to live is literally stuck for decades, thanks to inflation and these other issues. so like i told you, we are talking about way more than prices. we are talking about how this current price emergency, a crisis for so many working families, is interwoven with the cruelties of american capitalism that have a long term on the deeper questions about how we choose in a democracy to deal with economics, american power, and our politics. >> america has given the negro people a bad check. mark insufficient funds.
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>> inequality is not inevitable. inequality is a choice. >> america has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. >> martin luther king who was in the news for other reasons earlier tonight on civil and voting rights, actually put this economic struggle on par. he said with civil rights, it was what he was working on in interracial labor organizing when he was murdered. it's what labor unions have demanded for decades and what was protested about after your tax dollars bailed out banks after their financial crisis. 4.5 million workers declined to go back to work after the pandemic at all, this great resignation has to do with the system so tough on labor, on workers, on people, that many, having assessed the risk and
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faced it down, say it is not worth going back right now, not like this. it is what the singer and civil rights icon bob marley declared, now 50 years ago, linking inflationary costs with wider inequality, when he said cost of living gets so high, rich and the poor, they start to cry. them belly full, but we hungry. a hungry mob is an angry mob. well, many, many americans were hungry during this pandemic. we saw those lines for food banks. our cameras caught them overhead. they stretched for miles and miles. people hungry and out of work through no fault of their own. we all know that from living through a pandemic where the government told people they couldn't leave the house, in a wider long-term system that offers so few backstops and safety nets. confronting this is about more
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than today's anti-inflation measures. it means a deeper reckoning with our rules for capitalism,as it involves in this digital economy with all of these billionaires flying around, with rules that benefit the rich at the cost of everyone else. that tax workers, and some of these ex-workers, who were in those lines, they literally were paying higher taxes than billionaires whose income arrives in the form of stock. some states are dealing with this by trying to hike wages to require corporations to pay living wages which otherwise they won't. there are pockets of progress on that issue there. it's also why many populists demand a more fundamental reform, a right to health care separate from employment since we've experienced how quickly you can lose your employment and thus your employer health care,
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in the middle of a health crisis and a pandemic. or a fuller overhaul of the tax system to fund a real durable safety net for labor, for the people who make the economy run, to reforming rules that allow companies that prioritize goals for profits. so i went on for a while here because i want you to know this is really important and it's about so much more than inflation, although inflation is revealing for us right now. it's deeper than prices. when you take it altogether, yes, you can see why a change in the price can make people feel so strongly. >> yesterday's price is not today's price. yesterday's price is not today's price. price.
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an elevated threat from violent extremist, and we've seen a growing threat by those who are motivated by racial animus, as well as those who subscribe a anti-authority ideologies. >> that's an official you don't usually hear from, the assistant attorney general laying out the elevated threat of domestic
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terror and the doj forming a new unit on domestic terrorism to deal with investigations into these threats, which have more than doubled since 2020 alone after a period when hate crimes and other types of offenses were already on the rise. i'm joined by professor melissa murray. on behalf of the news, i'm sorry we're not going to you on happier sunnier topics, but we do find you to be an expert on the law and this is legal. what do you think when you see the doj here dealing with the shifting reality that there is a political context to this. we're not saying that they have causality with over single aspect of political movements, but previous reports have drawn a link to the authoritarianism that is apparently on the rise in america. your analysis? >> i think it's important to understand that they have always
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have a unit to handle international and domestic terrorism, but it's been subject to criticism from civil rights groups that they have not dealt with the threat of domestic terrorism as seriously as they have the prospect of international terrorism. the fact of this new unit is really a way to move forward to address the domestic terrorist attacks, but this was needed not just as early as january 6th, but maybe in june of 2016 with the standoff in oregon, which was another effort by anti-government extremist to take a stand on particular issues. so this is a really interesting move forward. it may be the most significant thing to come out of the aftermath of january 6th, and that of course all depends on what will happen with the january 6th subcommittee and all of these pending civil lawsuits against those involved in the insurrection. >> where does this dovetail with
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the point raised by another lawyer earlier tonight about a lack of punishment and deterrence of this stuff, and what we've been covering several nights in the lenient sentencing of those january 6th convicts who have been sentenced thus far, about half evading jail time entirely? >> again, there has been a lot of criticism. there was recently a sentencing in the courtroom of judge jackson where they did not receive jail time, but rather probation. these are difficult cases, but many people believe that there should be some kind of public accountability for what happened on january 6th, so the idea that there isn't something like jail time for what is essentially an attempted coup of the government strikes some as being too little and too late, given everything that has happened. so the idea that the doj is taking a more forceful response to these threats before they can materialize into the kind of
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events that we saw on january 6th may be a step in the right direction, given everything else that has unfolded. >> right. and i appreciate your point there because that speaks to the levels of this. i think some of the concern about the injustices and disparities of the past we've covered. today is an example that would appear to be about righting some of that going forward, treating this on the terror footing that so many others have been targeted with. again, viewers know we'll be tracking the real numbers, not just the press conference. professor murray, on more than one topic tonight, thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> absolutely. coming up, the politics of covid or the covid of politics. dr. fauci going at rand paul. we'll show you that and an incredible moment of police saving a life, in all likelihood. the remarkable video, we'll show it to you. that's coming up. that's coming up
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turning to quite the scene in los angeles. a pilot got stuck in their own cockpit after a crash landing which happened to be on of all places, train tracks. they had four seconds to try to save him before a train that wouldn't stop was coming barrelling through. now police body camera footage captured this herowism in realtime.ism in realtime. >> go! go! go! >> you could just see how intense that was, how last minute it was like some sort of story line but it's reality and how that train was knot stopping. miraculous rescue. the pilot is in stable condition
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dr. fauci was back on the hill today clashing with land -- rand paul, went after paul for these repeated false claims fauci says has led to death threats against the long-serving government doctor. >> you keep distorting the truth. it stunning. what happens when he gets out and accuses me of things that are completely untrue is all of a sudden that kindles the crazies out there and i have life, threats upon my life, harassment of my family and my children with obscene phone calls because people are lying
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about me. you are making a catastrophic epidemic for your political gain. >> laying it out there and sharing under oath what he says he's going through. dr. fauci in the news for many reasons. a programming note, he's on "all in with chris hayes tonight" here. "the reidout" with joy reid is up next, hi, joy. >> thank you very much. have a great evening. cheers. good evening, everyone. we'll begin "the reidout" with what the white house brings a pivot point. biden gave harris a major joint speech in atlanta putting the full weight of the administration behind the push for new federal voter protection laws if it means senate democrats have to go at it alone. and the fact that they have to do it alone is notable. take a look at this


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