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thank you so much for leling us into your homes in these extraordinary times. "the beat" starts right now. hi. >> hi. we start with breaking news. new legal heat on ivanka trump as congress seeks her testimony about the insurrection.
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they want information as a witness. the daughter of the former president also famously a senior adviser and apparently heard trump and pence talk on that morning of january 6. it's a request for voluntarily cooperation to learn key details of how pence responded to help trump and try to stay in power. investigators noted that his white house lawyers may have concluded the plot to abuse executive power is criminal or illegal. congress knows the attempted coup would fail even had pence joined in. the administration cannot override the election and they do not support that illegal ploy. in fact if you want to do the thought experiment if it came to it the evidence suggests that the u.s. government and the military would back a court's rulings that the transfer of
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power to then president-elect biden was the lawful outcome. no chicanery from the vice president to change that. there were people in the white house serious about this very plot. trump aide navarro said with plan was to get pence to quarterback the operation. >> the remedy was for vice president pence the quarterback to remain the votes back. my only reason to talk to vice president mike pence is to explain him as i documented in the three-volume report in all likelihood there were significant election fraud and irregularities. >> what trump and some aides wanted pence to do remains one of the items under the investigative lens in washington a site of one several legal set backs to trump after an 8-1 loss
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on the attempt to block evidence in the same probe. late today another set back in georgia. where the top prosecutor's asking a grand jury in the probe to steal votes in that state including the specific request to find or fabricate over 11,000 votes there which he at the time made to the state's top election official. >> so look. all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is 1 more than we have. >> trump was talking to the secretary of state who told nbc he would cooperate in a request for testimony on all this. the prosecutor in fact cites that. that interview in today's request for the new grand jury basically saying they need the legal escalation of a grand jury to get all witnesses full cooperation and explaining that
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will be key to a probe into coordinated attempts to unlawfully alter the outcome of the 2020 elections. bottom line -- after all of trump's talk of voter fraud he is under criminal investigation for trying to steal votes. voter fraud. it's his staff and family under demands to detail this plot. and it's his secret evidence that's heading into investigators' hands after most of his appointees to the supreme court cited against him. this is a predicament of his own making. it's the kind of situation diagnosed by trump's rapper and controversial ally saying it's so hard not to act reckless, to whom much is tested get arrested, yes until you get the
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message. i feel the pressure under more scrutiny. what i do? act more stupidly. for expertise we turn to maya wylie and howard dean. maya, we turn to ye because he talks about that, that mixture of arrogance and legal heat and pressure which still doesn't always stop certain people as he put it more stupidly. >> yeah. you know, i'm a little bit more of a vince staples woman and more 6500 degrees up in the trump kitchen. because the heat that's coming down and you just ran through the list is very much about the fact that all these circles of investigation, whether it is
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georgia, whether it is the january 6th probe, whether, frankly, it is the new york state attorney general who had quite a length y filing on insurance and bank fraud potentially and wants to depose ivanka trump and coming together at once not because it's all happening at a once in a sense but the investigations building for such a long time but one piece and one step at a time so we ire at a point where everything that donald trump has done is starting to come home to roost. in the form of the investigations. in the form of the legal actions that are going to start to require i think a lot more people to be talking. i think georgia's a critically important one because it will be -- looks like it will be grand jury and harder to refuse to participate as we may see
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from the january 6th committee. >> talking about grand jury is what people remember from the mueller probe. it forces cooperation in a way that other processes do not. >> right. so as we have seen with the january 6th committee with a lot of evidence because it wouldn't be asking ivanka trump, daughter to the president, for her cooperation if it did not have all the things that we saw in the letter which is right there in the room. she was having conversations with him. other people begging her to try to get trump to stop the violence happening outside and into the capitol. she is a fact witness with direct knowledge and she can say i refuse. that's a voluntary request and the committee is in the position
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of mark meadows and do you get subpoenas and find in contempt? i suspect they will. i think they may have to. in the context of georgia there won't be a choice but to comply with the grand jury subpoena. that in fact just jumps over the steps and fracly will be very difficult and more likely to see if they assert the fifth amendment rights to protect themselves. >> howard, we hear so much about voter fraud from the right but it is donald trump here in a very real sense under investigation for voter fraud in georgia. >> look. trump's m.o. to break the law, brag about it and stall in court as long as possible. i have questions for maya. here are the things i worry about.
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trump's ability to continue to stall and so if you're deposing trump's people in a grand jury and take the fifth can you on the spot give them a blanket we won't indict you and make them talk? they can't hide behind the fifth amendment if not in fear of prosecution. i don't know. i think the u.s. attorney general merrick garland is a great lawyer 'deprived of the court seat. but what i want to know is, are we going to have time? i figure we have two years to go to trial. i don't mean two years for the indictment. to go to trial before trump gets to stall by saying he is running for president and these are the issues that i worry about and not the legal case. >> i think that's really -- those are well stated questions
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because there's a difference between seeking justice in the case of georgia where the district attorney's job is a careful, thorough investigation to try to get facts and may make decisions about whether to confer immunity to witnesses in order to get them to talk and will make that judgment not based on the politics of washington or elections but justice so that's a different picture from a january 6th committee with a clear political deadline to get as much information as possible to the american public to have decisions about law making and for the american public to decide what kind of leadership they want in the next cycle of elections and requires i think great public airing of what clearly is evidence they already have. there's a court over public opinion and about the justice department, a thing about that oathkeeper indictment, the
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extremist group that's indicted now for conspiracy, is the clear sense that there was a strong evidence by the justice department of a very organized, methodical decision to attack the capitol and stop the vote. and the question now is, how much of that evidence that they already have amassed, already directs our atemgs to donald trump's participation? that's why ivanka trump's request is so interesting because it shows that they have evidence that suggests there are clear questions about his direct knowledge and participation and as liz cheney said action or inaction in corruptly blocking congress from doing its job. >> i'm smiling because this is -- you're why i love lawyers. well stated. thank you. >> look at that. the legal logic brings a smile
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to his face. >> a doctor and a lawyer saying they like each other. >> i just -- i live for howard's smile. >> the evidence that's come out and much that the committee did not release but there's new evidence here from a conservative member of congress aghast that day and that might seem straightforward or low bar and yet mcconnell and cruz and others who have eaten the words of condemnation is a public purpose separate from the law of just keeping the eye on the reality or orwell said, the eyes on the reality at these times is a daily challenge. i'll read from the letter which is where the evidence comes from. texting mark meadows. saying if trump allows this to occur we are driving a stake in the heart of the federal republic.
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basically new contemporaneous texts that came out and where does that figure in? these are colleagues that you know well. what do you see of the significance to show along the way that very conservative republicans were aghast that day? >> i think the problem here is that trump doesn't care. trump revels in this and the base doesn't care. he once said something that i turned out to be true. he could shoot somebody on 5th avenue and still be elected president. that's where the base is. they don't care and will vote for trump. hillary clinton badly hurt from the idiot from south carolina whose name i can't remember who was running the investigative committee. >> gaudy. >>ing only do it in the courts and hopefully by putting him in prison. >> you mentioned that. an infamous claim he made and a
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pretty pathological one and a member of a civilization to make that claim. to get away with murder but many people looked at this the doj included and think it's worse than a single act of violence and on independence avenue and a shot at the democracy itself. >> right. >> also loss of life that day. i'll fit in a break and thank maya and howard and we have a fact check on republicans and how they try to take credit for part of the biden year and mcconnell stepping in it when asked what republicans believe in. tonight the legendary watergate journalist carl bernstein is coming up. we'll be right back. up. we'll be right back.
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there are plenty of problems across america right now from covid to inflation. it is the rocky period that the president is trying to address as he marks a year in office and held an event about the accomplishments including the spending package and today in what's becoming a biden theme more republicans voted against the bill clearly liked some parts of it trying to take credit for it. an iowa republican who called it a raw deal and spending at the worst. >> in a time when we are seeing
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record inflation and record spending, spigot is turned on in washington. it is the biggest dive to socialism in this country. i'm not planning to support it at this time. >> that's fine. take that position. but the same republican is now saying quote we emphasis on we secured $829 million in federal funding for upgraded locks and dams in mississippi projects. what does we mean if you're against it? texas republican granger boasting funding she got and again something she tried to stop. literally. had her vote prevailed there will be no such funding so as this president heads into year two with problems that are real so many tough times for americans in so many ways the president is trying to get the footing around the fact he is doing things that are so good
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and popular republicans lie about it to pretend they were with him. listen to mitch mcconnell on all of this. >> think about this. what are republicans for? what are they for? name me one thing they're for. >> if republicans take back control of congress after the midterms what would be your agenda? >> that is a very good question. and i'll let you know when we take it back. >> wow. that's a politician, a powerful admitting he doesn't have to explain anything. give us the power and then we'll let you know what we'll do with it. in fairness to mitch mcconnell that's a position. i mean, you are allowed to do that. the voters have to decide if that's a good idea and do you want to hand the keys to someone who has ideas so special or
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get fast relief of your worst allergy symptoms including nasal congestion, so you can breathe better. claritin-d. breathe better. we are back with michael steele. how are you? >> doing well. how are you? >> good. sometimes they say the politicians don't talk across the line. >> wait a minute. i would have had a drink. all i brought was water. >> drink whatever you want. look. they did talk to each other through the media. the president made the case yesterday. i think it was heard by many and said, look, they won't tell you what they stand for. the press throws questions out to everybody said, they say you won't tell us what you stand for. mitch mcconnell said, you got it. >> you're right. yeah. because they don't.
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they don't know what they stand for. they stand for whatever donald trump wakes up tomorrow morning saying they stand for and then that will change by lunchtime and then dinner. we are talking about a party that doesn't have a platform. they decided because donald trump didn't want to put out what we believe and stood for, we have no platform. we saw after eight years of the obama administration and i was on the front lines, we lost and obamacare passed and republicans said we'll have a plan to repeal it and replace it and with a better health care plan and strategy. and then there was infrastructure week for four years. so the reality of it is and goes to the core of what voters have to consider going into this november, i get it.
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there's frustrations around biden but they gave you infrastructure. >> which is popular. >> he is dealing with covid. right? he got shots in the a rms and resources to the communities. and yeah. there have been blips and blops and things i don't agree with. all right? but at least it's something to disagree with. right? i can't disagree or agree with you when you tell me i don't know what it is but give me the power and i'll let you know. that's just not how government is supposed to work. >> right, yeah. >> voters have to take it seriously when the republicans tell you we won't show you anything until we give you the power. >> yep. >> right? and they need to understand what joe biden and unfortunately the democratic party that can't get out of its own way trying to do with policy and the politics.
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>> it is not conservative to say give me federal plan and won't be held to a standard. conservatism is to have limits on power. you mentioned obama and when you were first appointed and running the party in that transition period, we have as january 20th a look back. boy has america gone through a lot. a look at inaugural addresses from obama, trump and biden. one year ago and then behind that. let's take a look. >> a man whose father less than 60 years ago might not have been served at a local restaurant can stand before you to take a sacred oath. >> the crime and the gangs and the drugs that have stolen too many lives and robbed our country. this american carnage stops right here and stops right now. >> on this hallowed ground,
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where a few days ago violence sought to shake the capitol's very foundation we come together as one nation under god indivisible to carry out the peaceful transfer of power. >> what do you see here? >> what i see are three men who have a very clear view of how they see america. obama who recognized the moment standing there as the first african american president in what the history of the country, the torturous sometimes and oftentimes painful history of the country led to that moment and came through it. and then you had donald trump that saw this distoep yeah, a barren wastelands of carnage where people die in the streets and being mugged and all of that and then biden who had to deal
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with real carnage a few weeks before he took the oath of office to reconnect the country to itself. so i think these individual men as presidents give the country at least some guideposts in terms of how they assess leadership because that leadership is a reflection ultimately of us at the end of the day. we give them the power and the authority and why it matters who you send to congress and the governor's mansion and the late legislature because in effect you send a little bit of yourself and as a community if you hate the neighbor you probably send somebody who's rather hateful but if you have a sense of loving the country despite the problems and want us to do better then hopefully those type of candidates will appeal to you. >> i feel that. that's really what when we do
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reflect on these things look the anniversaries is worth looking at with different appeals to the nation. we try to keep our word and started a conversation with you and a special guest last year and will see you again tonight, sir. >> all right. >> thank you. holding presidential corruption to account. carl bernstein who exposed nixon makes "the beat" debut. carl is next. debut carl is nextaduations, i'm covered for everything. which reminds me, thank you for driving me to the drugstore. earn big time with chase freedom unlimited with no annual fee. how do you cashback? chase. make more of what's yours. ♪♪ this is how it feels to know you have a wealth plan that covers everything that's important to you.
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for all of washington's focus on how biden is doing we could also use a wider lens to take in how america is doing with the ongoing covid pandemic and economic woes and preserving democracy itself. when you look at how america looks through these things the nation is polarized and divided and nothing new about pitched battles in the country but today they turn on disinformation and lies with people living in alternative reality. like people across the spectrum that believe eating healthy is aal termtive to vaccination. for tens of americans there might be no common sense of facts. >> overwhelming majority of them
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more than 99% had to be were peaceful. reports that antifa sympathizers may have been sprirng led in the crowd. >> if you're like 21 and say to me should i be vaccinated? no. if you're a healthy people and young and eating well and like i don't think you need to worry about this. >> virus itself, this is true, does tend to take away the life force in some people i noticed. them niz people. it is true. >> these are challenges that really exist at the crux of facts, freedom and the free press bringing us to a journalist that led a wave of accountability reporting in watergate a period check cos so much of what we go through now.
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we are joined by someone you definitely have heard of. carl bernstein. the investigative journalist who broke the watergate scandal for "the washington post." a story and set of reporting that led to the resignation of president nixon. the best seller was turned into "all the president's men" with dustin hoffman as bernstein. newest book is "chasing history: a kid in the newsroom." you can get it now. thank you for coming on "the beat." >> good to be with you. >> let's start with your view about where misinformation and disinformation fits into how america is dealing with the challenges right now. >> we have a culture of misinformation and
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disinformation why not just media but the national life. obviously during the trump era and presidency, in our politics we saw actual repeated serial lies by what we now know to be a president of the united states who was a seditionist. the first in our history. has perpetuated the lies and worst of all we have a political party that has accepted and embraced these lies. it has never happened before. the republican party has now allowed itself by being so craven to go along with the big lie, with the serial lie, with the seditious lies and the result is we have a culture that now is almost dominated, half the people in this country are willing to go along with this misinformation, disinformation and perpetual lying.
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no other american president tried to stage a coup. nixon left office voluntarily in the sense that he was forced out as a criminal president and went along with what the constitution said and left. >> yeah. and the other contrast being that then he was really in a type of isolation and trump whether he runs or not rules this party. reading from "new york" magazine they note that nixon crashed and burned in watergate. conservatives in the south and west ready to assert leadership. no one thinks trumpism is entirely dead. the leader still very much in charge of its party. >> again, republicans courageous republicans were the reason that nixon had to leave office.
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barry goldwater led senior republicans in the house and the senate. the 1964 nominee of the party. great conservative. clear that the house of representatives would impeach nixon. go to a senate trial. nixon felt he would be acquitted at a senate trial and goldwater and the leadership went down to the white house, met with nixon in the oval office. nixon looked at goldwater and said how many votes do i have in the senate and thinking he would be aquitted with two thirds never to vote to acquit him. goldwater said, mr. president, you may have 4 or 6 votes and never mine and when nixon knew he would have to resign.
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this book is really about this kid who age 16 gets the best seat in the country. i go to work in the native washington epa get an incredible job at "the washington star." you see and hear these resonances that take you straight to watergate. the best obtainable version of the truth is bob and i said when wirp covering watergate, that whole idea came from what i learned at "the star" which we called there the complexity of the truth. >> i'll read from your book because it was on point. you say it's a haven in reporting. the star went wrr the facts and questioning led, to some notion of the truth in all its complexity. people can see the book there on the screen. walk us through how that worked. >> and you picked a quote where
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i was about to go. how it worked is the same way it works now. great reporting, good reporting means not just going to google for information. you got to get out of the office, see a source and do what we did in watergate. knock on people's doors at night not the offices under pressure and it's a clear cinch you will not get good information. you keep going. you nail down the information from source after source after source. we all have a predisposition what we think a story is going to be starting out on it. my experience is the story never turns out to follow the predisposition where we think it's going. there's a point in the book i say the truth is not neutral. and it's a really important point because it's not about 50%
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on one side and we put in the paper or the news broadcast. 50% on the other why you get to the truth by doing the reporting and what the book is about and what i learned and that's why the reporting on the trump presidency is so great. the great coverage of a president by so many news organizations. and what we know about trump we know because of the reporting. not from anything that he's give b us or people in congress. >> yeah. that search for the truth than sticking to an idea or a bias really interesting stuff. great to get you on "the beat." the book is "chasing history: a kid in the newsroom." thank you. >> good to be with you, ari. thinking about the impact of lies we turn to a special
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to build a future of unlimited possibilities. while the legal probes into the insurrection continue the recent one-year anniversary of the january 6 sparked also some broader conversations. were memorials, the politics like ted cruz walking back his accurate reference to the terror attack of that day and the ways that the culture marks and makes sense of that day to talk about coups or seditions and something we discussed on "the beat" with a song about america's racism and violence just before january 6, 2021, which we discussed on this show and how it fire shadowed what was to come. >> for those of us paying attention, the handwriting is on
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the wall. what we saw at the capitol exists in the halls of congress and the dna and the nation. >> i had to write down the lyrics that struck that cord. the reality is you wrote this before january 6 and says a lot about what is before what happened. >> that was our conversation that night almost a year ago today. and in the ensuing year top republicans have only grown more defensive of that day. it's a type of descent and normalizing of violence that craft explores in a song called "state of the union part 2." ♪♪ ♪ they say don't throw stones if you live in a glass home ♪ ♪ body cam ♪ ♪ casualties ♪ ♪ underneath the hatred who are
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you ♪ ♪ we ain't no ♪ >> it is a sering new political commentary. the song argues how aging and success can dim some commitment to the revelations they say they support as well as the selfishness in the covid wars. ♪ you had some values when you were young ♪ ♪ a lot of let's be betters ♪ ♪ but a lot of let's get the checks first ♪ ♪ women's rights looking like bodies they voice ♪ ♪ so now i don't hear a peep ♪ ♪ our inaction is action ♪ ♪ a team only as good as the 12th man ♪ ♪ welcome to the repercussions ♪ and finger pointing to avoid that we are all enemies ♪ >> the artist is back on "the
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beat" tonight with michael steele again about a year later. welcome back to you both. >> good to be back. >> thank you for having us. >> good to see you. >> good to see you. >> marlon, here you are weighing in again. tell us what you are conveying. >> thank you. i mean, first of all, just seeing the clips of last year thinking about white supremacy in the congress we got the voting rights act shut down a target on the rights of people of color to vote in condensed areas and then in texas challenging roe v. wade and is a staple in white supremacy and this song more internal as things are bleaker and people that consider themself conservative or with the same
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views as i we have a hard time caring. we have a hard time saying how bleak it is and what i wanted to convey at the end is you can accept the reality because that's the first step to figure out how we pick careers and choices to being a part of the change to see. that smile in the face of the fire contentment is opposed to accepting just how terrible things are right now. >> michael, what do you hear here? >> i would agree. i would probably take it a little bit further away from the political which is what i was struck by. marlon used the term progressive but i don't think people take it in a political context. i think that's -- what this video speaks to is the part of the problem is that we hear what we only want to hear and see what we want to see.
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right? if we continue down that road then we're going to be where we are and so the realities that he calls us to, calls to our conscience in the song is right in front of us and the question is what do you is what do you see? you know? like in that section where you talk about my body, my choice, and how, you know, well, until i say it isn't, right? until the institutions say it isn't. and so when you're calling on people to recognize where they are, sometimes that's one of the hardest things in the world to do. but when the greatest ways to begin to open up that conversation as we've known throughout history is through music, through poetry, through playwrights. and that to me is a form of leadership that is undervalued a lot of times. and so i really appreciate what this brother has done in terms
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of not just stopping at 2020, but now taking that and putting in a different context but actually in some ways the same context as we start 2022. i think it's pretty powerfully done. >> yeah, i love that. i want to let marlon respond and play one other part of the song we identified. you think we start with that imagery of january 6 and how much propaganda and lies. they were both doing the thing and filming themselves doing the thing. weirdness in society that we're talking here on television. but everyone can be a broadcaster and publisher, and there is no right or wrong to that. you don't want to just say oh, the new generation came up with that, it's their problem. it's companies an corporations that have made that such a big part of our lives in the first place. but you have some interesting thoughts on that let's take a listen. ♪ generation of look at me, i read remarks but work for a corporation, everything performative, i ain't different,
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i'm not broke, throwback jerseys that we just couldn't afford as kids ♪ ♪ my inner child, just like you, my inner trauma hurts, we all damaged kids, but i'm saying a lot, if we can, we should ♪ >> what are you saying there, marlon and hope people who might be closer to your age, or in their 20s take from that? >> i think we can all take from that, regardless of age. i think until we address the psychological, physical and generational underpinnings of trauma at the root of all of our issue, including and especially white supremacy, misogyny, you know, homophobia, all these things, until people are able to look into their own lives and have compassion for their own selves and understand the root of some of their hatred, some of their actions, i don't think we'll be able to make an inroad into fixing them. so in that line and that section in particular, i was kind of including myself. i'm far from perfect. and i appreciate the kind words from michael, and i appreciate you having me on.
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but just me doing one of these every year wouldn't be sufficient, despite other things try do. i'm always trying to do more. that's another reason that maybe people in my generation or younger people run. because we know it's the odds, and we know it's stacked against us. it's very difficult to face that and feel like you know you're going to be imperfect, but part of that healing of that trauma is having enough love for yourself to be imperfect in your fight and keep fighting. fight is not a fight if the only outcome is win. >> right. yeah. >> marlon, for those who might be interested, where should they go online if they want to find you or your music? >> any spotify title, all that stuff, marlon craft. and i also have something called the center, if you would like to support me direct, the center marlon is crowd funded. i'm not signed to a label or any type of corporate entity. that is me trying to walk the walk a little bit. >> independent artist. we did this once last year. we're going to keep doing this when we have the occasion.
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we were tracking a lot of breaking news last night and didn't get a hans to air something that i want to share with you right now. some sad news about the cultural legend, andre leon talley, who has died. he spent years at "vogue" magazine and became a global icon and trailblazer. collaborations with anna wintour. he was a larger than life figure. he talked about his humble beginnings raised by a grandmother who work as a maid and rising to the top of global fashion and culture. his life is explored in a film called "the gospel according to andre." he published several books, including a best-selling memoir, the chiffon trenches, and celebrated by so many, he was someone who was so interesting
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to be around, including the special times we got to share with him right here on "the beat." >> fashion icon and a celebrated journalist, long-time "vogue" editor andre leon talley, a global brand name. >> he is like a black super hero. >> i think it's grossly unfair that i get to be put on a fashion icon such as andre. and that, you know, no woman should have to do that on a friday evening. >> oh! >> he is the nelson mandela of couture, the kofi annan of what you got on. >> he was so many things he wasn't supposed to be. >> and in that sense, he inspired so many by breaking barriers and bringing his own style and energy to everything. we certainly felt that. in fact, here is something he once told us about the power of storytelling and overcoming adversity. >> the news stories that make you feel good about people who have come through adversity and they're doing something wonderful. i think that's very good. we fell away from that. this is a country that builds up
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people who have gone through adversity. >> let's build people up. tonight we take a moment to remember andre leon talley. he was 73 years old. that does it for "the beat." "the reidout" with joy reid starts right now. hi, joy. >> how you doing? >> andre leon talley, truly one of the greats, gone too soon. you've lived a good life when people say gone too soon. thank you very much for that. really appreciate it. cheers. all right, everyone. good evening. there are lots and lots of new developments tonight on the plot to steal the election. a district attorney in fulton county, georgia is asking a special grand jury in her investigation of donald trump. and there is a bombshell new report from "the washington post" revealing that trump lawyer rudy giuliani coordinated the scheme to forge documents to submit illegitimate electors from multiple states. those falsified reports later
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