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investigation. its first attempt to seek information directly from a member of the former presidents family. today, house investigators sent her an eight-page letter. full of never before seen details, revealing the evidence that has been collected. and the focus of her inquiry letter asked the daughter about her contact with her father. as they were in the white house as the capital was under siege. it cites one of those moments. saying quote, as january 6th approached, president trump attempted on multiple occasions to persuade vice president pence to participate in his plan. one of the presidents discussions with the vice president occurred by phone on the morning of january 6th. you were presidents in the oval office and observed at least one side of that telephone conversation. and quote. ivanka trump's efforts to get the former president to call off the attack at the capitol are also under scrutiny. testimony from mike pence's
then national security adviser, keith kellogg, is also included in the letter. here is one exchange. the committee asked him quote, do you think that ivanka trump could help get president trump to replace, where he would make a statement to try to stop? this kellogg answered yes. the committee also answered, so you thought ivanka could get her father to do something about it? >> kellogg replied, to take a course of action. kelly that went on to describe several attempts of ivanka trump to appeal to her father. the committee asked, and so presumably so the first time that i want to trump when in, it wasn't sufficient or she would have had to go back at least one more time, i assume, is that correct? >> telegraph bonded, yes ma'am. >> i think she went back in there because ivanka can be pretty tenacious. the january six committee vice chair liz cheney, gave something of a preview to this testimony earlier this month. >> we know, as he was sitting there in the dining room, next to the oval office, members of
his staff were pleading with him to go on television, to tell people to stop. we know members of his family. we know is daughter, we have firsthand testimony. that his daughter ivanka went in at least twice. to ask him to please stop this violence. >> the letter to ivanka trump also mentions the national guards eventual response to the violence on capitol hill. lawmakers want to ask whether her father gave any orders to deploy the guard. the committee says that it has found no evidence that he did. a spokesperson for ivanka trump released a statement that read in part, quote, as the committee already knows, ivanka did not speak at the january 6th rally. -- as she publicly stated that day at 3:15 pm. any security breach, or disrespect to our law enforcement is unacceptable. the violence must stop immediately. please be peaceful. we should note that the committee's letter does not say that she was at the rally, the same letter also revealed a previously unknown text from
fox news host sean hannity, to white house secretary, kayleigh mcenany. the day after the riot. he wrote, one, no more stolen election. talk to, yes, impeachment and 25th amendment are real. and many people will quit. in response, miss mcconney replied, love that, thank you. that is the playbook, i will help reinforce. former president trump is now facing escalating legal threat from the district attorney of fulton county georgia. the da, then you will, as requested a special grand jury on thursday, to aid her investigation into possible 2020 election interference. by president trump. you might remember's infants call, trump aide to brad raffensperger. georgia secretary of state in early 2021. >> so look, all i want to do is this, i just want to find 11, 000, 780 votes.
which is one more than we have. because we won the state. and flipping the state is a great testament to our country. >> trump of course did not win the election in georgia. today the former president responded to the da's request, with a statement, writing in part quote, my phone call to the secretary of state georgia, was perfect. perhaps even more so than my call with the ukrainian president. if that is possible. there is new reporting today about rudy giuliani's involvement in the effort to overturn the 2020 election. the washington post reports that he oversaw a trump campaign plan to put forward fake electors in at least five states that biden won. according to the post, giuliani were to replace electors who were unwilling to go along with the plan. we're also following the latest tonight on the ten situation on ukraine's border with russia. and with the biden administration is saying about it. we are going to have much more on that in just a moment. but let's bring in our lead off
guests on this thursday night. shannon petty is a veteran journalist and our senior white house reporter for nbc news digital. jeff bennett is the chief washington correspondent for pbs news hour and msnbc political contributor. and neil cocktail is the department of justice veteran and former acting solicitor general during the obama administration. he has argued dozens of cases before the united states supreme court. friends, it is good to see you all tonight. thank you for being with us. he'll let start with you, these letters that the committee sent out, it's good reading, not participation to just -- laying out somewhat of the narrative. an eight-page letter to ivanka trump. what did you find in there that was new to you? >> so much. first of all ali, trump, at this point has attracted legal action in the last 24 hours then they've attracted russians. and that is really saying something. it's the thing you mentioned, fulton county georgia
investigation, a grand jury being convened. it's ivanka being asked to testify in congress it is also a remarkable 81 loss. all this stuff is happening. i haven't even mentioned rudy yet. with respect to this letter, i think it is a remarkable letter that congress sent to ivanka trump. i put the entire thing on my twitter. it is many pages long. and reveals all sorts of information. like the general kellogg said. when ivanka was present. when donald trump tried to press for mike pence. to throughout the count on january 6th. and then foreshadowing the liz cheney stuff that she tried to go in at least twice to stop president trump from. doing what he was doing. with the letter reveals, they want to know for things. one, what did ivanka trump know about donald trump's plan for january six? second, how did he react as the
events unfolded? third, or did she do to try and stop it? and fourth, was his reaction. what did he do or not do? we know he's out on his hands for a minimum of three. hours something that is inexcusable. you are, any decent person would have done anything in that time. but he didn't. what was he doing at the time? the last thing i would say about this letter, it was remarkably smart. because what they did, they focused on ivanka trump on january 6th. the january six only. and the reason for that is at the supreme court decision that trump lost yesterday, it is fact. the facts were about the day of january 6th. they tailor that letter to. the decision is going to have much bigger implications the january 6th. but this is a smart targeted surgical whether. >> jeff bennett, good to see you back on our air. let's talk a little bit about what the committee knows. again, these invitations, these letters of.
invitation to give you some of the story. we know that the national archives have started passing material to the january six committee. we don't know with that materially is or what they have so far. but the information that the january six committee already has. where do you think this puts us in its work? >> i will tell you this. looking through that letter, we certainly know that ivanka trump figures prominently in other people's testimony. we also know the speaking to the trump sitting in the dining room. doing nothing but and folding it on television. we knew the remarks from the former white house press secretary. saying that president trump sat before that big flat screen. gleefully winding parts of live tv coverage. i was particularly struck by ivanka trump's statement. in the letter from the
committee making no mention of the rally happening on the ellipse. before donald trump supporters made siege to the capitol. but her statement, she makes clear, she wasn't the part of it. that raises the question in my mind, why is she trying to distance herself from that rally? is it because of what president trump, former president trump said? that we are going to go and give them hell. and that you, we will not relent. because this election was stolen from us. all of the language that he used. effectively inciting the riot that unfolded later. and so yes, you can certainly see how this committee is painting a full picture of what was happening in the white house. at the time that president trump was implored. white house staffers, to do something. ivanka trump went in twice. and it wasn't until 4:17, hours after the insurrection head and it that trump had made that video statement on twitter. you both brought up an interesting point, jeff and neil and that is the letter in
eight pages it does not allege that which she was at the rally so the idea that her statement to the public that she wasn't at the rally, it's an interesting choice. shannon, it's your two of the biden administration, there have been some major legislative successes, and recently some major legislative failure. it was an economy that's actually performing quite well, but polling indicates that people think it's not. and the presidents polling is underwater. the white house was looking at a reset, they don't love this whole january six committee stuff. it's not the focus now. so where are they now, what's the thinking at the white house? >> i will say, the white house they're not so focused on january 6th, but democrats and democratic strategist have said, obviously, there's a lot that can be accomplished for the january six committee, getting to the truth about happened that day. but also, they have said, it's a good reminder to people of the way things were under the previous trump administration, and potentially as people go to the polls in november, if there is something like this out
there reminding them of the chaos of those days and the lies of that time period, that's certainly something that can help democrats. but in the white house, what they are focused on is, they think they have a messaging problem here. and if they can get the messaging right, if they can get the president out there as we heard him indicate in this press conference, he's going to do more of traveling across the country. helping out in the midterms. bring in an outside voices, trying to get outside that white house bubble. they feel like if they are gonna get that messaging right, they can address these sagging poll numbers. because you mentioned, ali, there are a lot of pride spots in the economy, white house advisers feel like they have not been emphasizing those so much. there are some bright spots in the pandemic, the fact that 200 million plus people are fully vaccinated, and largely people who are vaccinated aren't ending up in the hospital or icu in the same numbers as those who are unvaccinated. so, those are --
there trying to shift the message and the focusing to the positives of this, and they are trying to sell what they've got. they can't count on having this build back better, 1.7 billion dollar social spending bill. they've got the infrastructure bill, so they're focused on selling that, we've seen that this week, a number of infrastructure advance where the president goes out on the road, they're gonna be talking about the infrastructure bill. because that's what they have to sell. now, do they wish to add more to sell, certainly. and the roads and bridges get people to show up at polls? we'll see. but they've got to go with what they've got, at this point, and that looks like what they've got. and look for them to try to coalesce a message around those types of talking points. >> you'll catch yell, jamie raskin, the maryland democrat congressman who is on the january six committee, posted this to twitter about donald trump and ivanka trump said, if they're far president has no executive privilege to hide evanston of an attempted coup
or insurrection, neither do his family or friends. if uncle trump was with donald trump as the attack unfolded, she is a material fact witness. i look forward to her testimony. but as you mean by that? >> he's 100 percent right, so the supreme court did yesterday, is they said that trump couldn't hide from the american people of documents about what he was doing on january 6th. and, if you can't hide the documents, and this is congressman raskin's point, you also can't hide the witnesses from testifying. and that includes him via, it includes a whole cast of characters. that whole team insurrection, banked on the fact that they thought they could have the supreme court, so they can make these absurd privilege claims. and not only did the soup room rim cord wound their defense fatally, they did so on an expedited schedule. so they're united front turned out to be much more like a line of dominoes, or something like
that. so what that means is all these folks who refused to testify, some who have been held in contempt and are facing criminal charges for trying to avoid congress like steve bannon, and mark meadows, the white house chief of staff, who is well on his way to a similar fate. all of those folks can use what they've been using right, now which is an executive privilege, they've got to come in and tell the truth. i'm sure will try bogus legal arguments, and the most important thing about -- is all accomplished in three months, the first lawsuit to try to get these documents was followed on october 19th, the trial court rejected it really quickly. the court of appeals, our nation's second highest court, and so did the supreme court. so basically, i think the courts have caught on to the donald trump delay idea, and they're saying, no, at this point the truth is got to come out. >> jeff bennett, on this show, we talk a good about about the sausage be, made the process through which things get done
in congress. i think this week might have been overload for some americans watching those come to the united states senate that were destined to fail, that did fail, and we end up with what some people think it's a big fat zero at the end of it. that's not everybody is you. there are a lot of people who think that what happened in the senate with respect to voting rights does establish a basis for moving forward and using new methods to try to give voters protections enacted. what is your sense of? it >> yeah, i think it was clarified for the american people to see, where they're elected officials stand on this issue of voting rights, and that was the risk that president biden and the senate majority leader took, and they show about knowing that it would fail. they knew that the risk was it would shauna light on democratic divisions. big picture now, is clarifying, in a sense, the democrats in the white house are trying to really coalesce around of path forward. mainly, it's looking at the electoral count act, really
firming up the process that president trump tried to take advantage of, and assert his vice president to nullify the slate of biden electors, and make clear in that law that the vice president's role is really ceremonial best. and there might be an effort by beyond that to sort of insert into a rewriting of that law some of the protections that worrying included in the john lewis voting rights act, and some other protections to make sure that it's illegal to threaten or even attacking election official, given that's where we are right now as a country at this point. and so, yeah, i think that's why you hear from white house officials in particular, who, when they get the question of why move forward with this process, when it was basically a fait accompli. the point is that it was important to have the vote in order to know where the senator stood on this issue, and to quote president biden, an existential issue. >> joe biden knows a lot about foreign policy, both his
experience as vice president and as a senator, he built a very strong foreign policy team then afghanistan happens, and that was a bit of a black eye for this administration. now we have russia. possibly, according to the president, getting ready to invade ukraine. what is your sense of where the administration is with this, that a little bit of cleanup to do yesterday after the president tried to make some reference to a small invasion versus a big invasion. where do you think the white house is this on this so we don't end up with a repeat of the afghanistan situation? >> we'll, if you look at the way they have been increasingly signaling that they expects an invasion happen, at any moment, was one of the phrases they used. so it is imminence, they have been very strong in signaling, this week, that they think something is going to happen. they don't see a path, right now, for putin to back down. that is a big change from two
weeks ago when there was still talks going on, so there does seem to be resignation within the administration when you look to what they are saying publicly, that this is inevitable. that we are going to see some form of invasion, and the president alluded to -- had to make a cleanup between a minor invasion or a major invasion, that essentially he came out today and said that any russian troops crossing the border to ukraine's invasion, and will be met with severe consequences. we have also heard the president just ratcheting up his, i wouldn't say threats, but his seriousness with the sanctions that the administration math wants to impose. i'm talking about that he thinks that putin will regret any action he takes on the ukraine once he feels the response that comes from u.s. and allies. so it is a situation that the
white house is taking seriously, you could see in the presidents remarks yesterday that he didn't know what move putin was going to make. certainly, there are no indications of putin backing down at this point, and what has been taking place, in talks, has not resulted in any sort of de-escalation, and it doesn't seem there's many more cars left the administration has to play. now waiting to let it play out. the balls in putin's court as to what he is going to do next. >> shannon, you set us up well for our next segment, we're gonna get into this little bit more deeply, shannon pedigrees, shannon bennett, and b roll castle. joe biden has given vladimir putin a clear warning now, the next guest to serve as a chief of staff at the department of defense, says that putin is about to make a huge strategic mistake in ukraine. later, the do-over for the biden administration, the speaker of the house wants a major bill, to get the presidents agenda back on track. former senator al franken and bill crystal whether that's even possible, at the 11th hour, just getting underway on a
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units move across ukraine's border, that is an invasion. but, they will be met with severe and coordinated economic response, but i've discussed in detail with our allies, as well as laid out very clearly for president putin. but there is no doubt, there can be no doubt at all, that if putin makes this choice, russia will pay a heavy price. the prime minister said this morning, that is confidence in the resolve, and he has a right to be. >> president biden clarified his position today, after suggesting on wednesday that a minor incursion from russia into ukraine, could draw more muted response compared to a large invasion. here is what ukraine's president had to say before the clarification. quote, we want to remind the great powers that there are no minor incursions, and small nations. the wall street journal says
that the concern this way. quote, ukrainian facials are touchy in part because their analysis is that a large scale attack isn't rushes probable course. instead, the kremlin would probably deploy more covert measures, to destabilize its neighbor, and remove its leadership, top ukrainian officials say. as a result, ukrainian officials want western leaders not to play down the apparently less legal kinds of aggression by moscow. we reckon -- at the cia, and the pentagon, jeremy good to talk to you again, this may not seem like a big deal to a lot of people, particularly after the clarification, but it sent shockwaves through the ukraine because russia has done both sorts of things along the border both with ukraine and other countries, actual invasions and things aren't really invasions imposed on a country sovereignty. >> that's right ali, russia
practices hybrid warfare, or gray zone warfare. this can include cyberattacks, this can include propaganda, it can include little green men. it can include drones and other small munitions, things that are well short of an actual invasion. so i think the president was exactly right, and the white house was spot on in clarified than any incursion into the sovereignty of ukraine, whether, small major, minor, kinetic, cyber, or covert, that is going to be met with a swift and decisive response by the united states and our 29 nato allies. so here is the problem, if ukraine were and nato country then the decision would be simpler, because there's an article that says that if a nato countries or tactics as if they are all attacked. ukraine is not, there it's -- eastern european country, the washington post says what you said, they've echoed that in an editorial today that says
unwise as it was biden's original remark was reality based masses troops on ukraine's borders, and threatens to remain divided on how to respond if he does, crucially there is no consensus on how much consensus by russia would or should trigger the massive sanctions the rosters threatened and mr. biden essentially admitted, the allies are not even on the same page as to deterrence itself. what do you make of that? >> i think there's something to the fact that, you're right, ukraine is in part of nato, we don't have an nato requirement. -- there's lots of talk about nato expansion, that's been americas policy for the past 30, years which is to keep the door to nato open to any country that wants to come into the alliance, , and so a country like ukraine which is trying to be a democracy, trying to align with the west even though they obviously have some significant historical ties to the russian
federation, i think it's important that the united states, the west, european powers defend ukraine, defend territorial sovereignty. make clear that no country -- that the kremlin's efforts here could suggest who to be a ally with, under the threat of 100,000 troops on the border that's not the way we do things on in the modern era, and russia should be allowed to get away with it. >> one of the things you should know from your days in the defensive cia, is that there is lots and lots of sanctions, we've tried some with russia including after the first invasion of crimea but biden hinted yesterday that they're not gonna be able to do business in dollars, the banks are gonna be able to do dollars. we're not gonna see any of those sanctions there. people we've spoken to have said that could actually be crippling to russia. >> no doubt, ali, first, russia is a declining power. its economy is fairly brittle in fragile. and so when you cut off the
ability of russian financial institutions to work in dollars, that could have a very significant and crippling effect, and i don't think putin has a huge margin of error here. but he's pursuing here is an attempt to, i guess, shore up his own popularity within russia, but if he engages in his cross border attack, and the result is a crippling set of sanctions that europeans and the united states, i think this is going to be to his detriment. >> jeremy is, good to see you, jeremy bash was a former chief of staff for the cia and the pentagon. coming up, a look at what democrats think they might be able to get done this year, as the midterms loon. when the 11th hour continues. loon. when the 11th hour continues
the planet for future generations and clean air for them to breathe today and water to drink. we need to pass the reconciliation bill. so i would hope that would be a major part. so with the president calls chunks, i would hope would be a major bill going forward. >> democrats are plotting a path forward. to at least try to get pieces of the presidents agenda passed. and the climate change portion of build back better maybe their first target. but the new york times mourns. close, that could mean as many other childcare, health care and tax overhaul provisions our priorities for different segments of the democratic
coalition. back with us tonight, former minnesota democratic senator, al franken, who host a podcast bearing his name. and bill kristol, author, writer, thinker and politico. he is a veteran of the reagan and bush administrations. and editor at large at the bulwark. good to see you both gentlemen. thanks for being with us. i'll, your thoughts, you spent a lot of time in the united states senate. you had some sense of what works and what doesn't work. is this idea of as bill has suggested in the past, taking the big bills, making them smaller bills, a strategy that could work for democrats? >> i think that is kind of exactly the right idea. i think that we should put the elements of the bill. they are extremely popular. we should put them out one by one. and have americans see for themselves what the elements are. so, do you want to die because republicans won't vote. put a cap on the price of insulin.
well then, for republican. don't want to be able to afford childcare, but republican. want to pay more for your health care, for republican. want to leave your grandchildren and kids in unlivable planet. four republican. biden has said, they are not for anything. it takes nothing to be for nothing. it takes, you know, you could be just brain that to be for nothing. but, it is different to stop things that people want. and that is what they are going to have to do if we put these out one by one and then put them in a package at the end. i think it's a great plan. >> bill, it must of been three or four weeks ago when you talk about this. now that this looks like this might be a likely path forward. that those who thought that something different could happen in the senate on tuesday
and wednesday are now learning that won't be the case. how do you see unfolding? do you see a situation in which any republicans are in a position to get behind some parts of these bills. or are we going to see the same with every one of these bills put forward by the democrats? >> again, i think if you put things on the floor and make them debate them one by one, it is harder for the republicans to maintain unity. where if it is an 800-page bill, nobody knows what's in it, the one thing is that they're happy. and the rest of it is all just -- it's trillions of dollars, we have inflation. democrats just want to throw money at everything. we are going to stop this and whereas al says, you're stopping childcare, same as voting rights, stopping a provision, stopping political intimidation of neutral election observers.
stopping provisions that are easy to explain. things that are happening in the states right now in realtime. i think those are a lot easier, one by one. a lot harder for the republicans to impose them. doesn't mean they couldn't impose them. but then you have a run at them in november. they have made that republicans life difficult. i talked to a few of my remaining republican friends, they feel no pressure. they are paying no price. voting rights legislation. some good, some useful, some childcare with legislation. feeling no pressure with the swing voters. don't realize that it's a. 50/50, if things doesn't pass, it goes away. goes to other topics. the democrats have not handle this ideally i think. they have time.
>> i'll, i want you to start breaking these things up. for some people it is on a percent clear that climate is the biggest priority. there's some people, for whom health care is the biggest priority. or childcare is the biggest priority. how do the democrats manage constituencies on the left who have wanted to some degree, an all or nothing strategy? >> well they are not going to get an all or nothing strategy. but you put them out one by one and you see what goes down. what goes down in flames. you put them out there and you see what will make republicans really uncomfortable. and then you've got an issue for the campaign. if they vote against it. but, we don't know exactly what joe manchin's for or against. maybe he will find out when we put them out there one by one. >> i'm going to continue our conversation with our two friends, right after this, coming up, joe biden sharpens his attack on republicans, who he says refused to get into the game. the risks of going on the
>> this is a party that we are fighting back against. who didn't pass a platform in 2020. connor, mccarthy, said they don't have a policy put out for 2022. so they don't stand for anything. they don't believe in anything. other than fear, fraud, and fascists. >> a point that al franklin was just making. democratic chair -- picked up the presidents midterm strategy earlier today. don't pull any punches when it comes to republican obstructionism. but nine months ago, when nbc's jonathan allen wonders when it is going to be enough. writing quote, the question for biden is whether voters will reward democrats for not being republicans, or grandma or frustrated with what he hasn't been able to achieve. still with us, all franken and bill crystal. bill, you heard jaime harrison had to say about this. earlier this week, you tweeted, the six main strands of the trump coup attempt. in which you said that the
conspiracy theories, the lawsuits, the fake federal investigations, stop the steal, whips up the base, fake electors, and objectors. pressure on state and local officials. in fairness, you write this as the main strands of the trump coup attempt. which would be very simple for republicans to say, that is not us. we do not stand for that stuff, that is garbage, we have something else. but joe biden did make the point again today, as jaime harrison did. as all frank and it. we do not have a real republican platform. that they have presented. >> was an excellent piece i was summarizing. to give credit where credit is. do thank you. look, the democrats say we did a good job, where people don't see a good job. we did with those republicans. they don't stand for nothing. they will not do well. a normal thing that happens in an off year election is that voters have grievances. they are disappointed in some ways, not quite as great as they thought it would be.
in november two years ago, so they vote somewhat against the incumbent party. against the party in the white house. the democrats have to create a choice, they can't just let it be a referendum in the biden administration. they have to make the choice stark. the choice can't be that the republicans don't have a platform. has to be that the republicans are crazy. that the republicans are pro insurrection. that they are anti-vaccination. and they have to find examples of that. trump being the main one. but ali, it is not so easy for republicans to say, well we don't care about that stuff trump is saying. they don't have the nerve to say that. in minnesota, a moderate state. somewhat swing-ish state. it was a republican governors. a week ago or something like that. and they each competed to be more loyal to trump then the last. that has to be wrapped around their necks. that has to be made to stick in the voters minds. this. you have a choice of two parties. one of them disappointed a little bit, sort of make some mistakes. and the other one is anti democracy.
totally irresponsible. at the whim of donald trump. has people like marjorie taylor greene and lauren boebert, senator, after after senator. making that contrast, making that choice. >> i'll, you tweeted out, your community background came out a tweet that you posted on january 18th. in which he said, giuliani, powell, must be thrilled to finally present the january 6th committee with the proof that the election was stolen. giuliani and sidney powell, jenna alice, did nothing but take every opportunity that they could. including at that landscaping place in philadelphia. to tell everybody that would listen, about the fraud in this election. and now they're being invited by committee of the united states congress to do so. >> yeah, said they were stopped by procedural decisions. well, okay great. now you have all the chance in the world to publicly tell. all were all the evidence is. of course they won't show up, because there is none. and yeah, we have to show them
for the not cases that they are. you know, the oath keepers. charged with seditious conspiracy. that ought to be really hard to prove. because their oath is, i've pledged to overthrow the united states government. they are knots. but we also have to show what we are four and i feel like joe biden is going to be harry truman. he's got a vote. they said something about doing. that go around the country and we will introduce this legislation and say what we are. four and that will be a great contrast to the they have nothing. they are for nothing. except for this craziness. that is their party. that is bill kristol, look intor crystal ball a little bit about what the republican party looks like. >> have you heard that? before >> i, know that is pretty good, right? you see right there? this week, donald trump in arizona looked very much like a
guy who's running for president. but this is a republican party look in 2024? and there are people like, you and we talked to a number people like you, why a suspect will remain conservative after this whole debacle is done. but she won't have a very comfortable home. what do you do to build one? is there a home for conservatives who aren't crazy in this country. >> i mean, the home right now is either been a great fan of liz cheney, and adam kinzinger are in in the house, the 211 212 house republicans, some of them aren't crazy about trump, some of them quietly distance themselves, they don't go along cheering -- how many are willing to stand up against it? how many are willing to say it's unacceptable, it's terrible, donald trump can be nominee, again cannot be president again. two out of 211. it's bad for the country. it's an opportunity, honestly, for the democrats.
and they've done a terrible job, i think, they've let the republicans get away with saying we're not quite as tricky craziest, trump were not to say anything against, trump were gonna let governors discourage vaccinations and masks. but they do it a little bit quietly, or they're not totally notes about it, we're not gonna make a big deal about it, and the democrats need a draw that contrast honestly. >> let's talk about that. >> go ahead. >> i was gonna, say on the senate floor, every one of those republican senators said, i have a question for senator from blank, do you believe the election was stolen? and can you tell me exactly how that happened? tell me about it, would you. take as much time as you got, tell me about how the election was stolen? >> to bill's point about how you pin this on republicans, why haven't democrats been able to do a more effective job of
doing exactly what those says? there are some republicans out here who can say, i'm not, crazy i'm not with him, this is when i actually believe in. >> they secretly say, this is what they secretly say. well if i say that the election wasn't stolen, then i'll be primaried by someone who's even crazier. and so you, don't want that guy. you want me, and i'm in a safe state, so i'm not going to publicly do that. and i'm doing this all as a service, because believe me, there are people a lot 90 or than me. that's what they sort of, that's what you hear from them -- that's what i hear from my former colleagues. it's sad. >> it's wild, it's wild when that's where you take it out. thanks, guys good to see you both, al franken and bill crystal, we appreciate your time tonight. something new to think about, before you decide to use minute one of the many covid testing sites around the country, will explain, when the 11th hour continues. explain, when the 11th hou explain, when the 11th hou continue
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tonight, it is celebration of aviation history, while the united states airline history worries about grounding flights over the arrival of 5g, a british belgian teenager and her tiny 22 foot long two seater plane, have soared into the record books. 1:19 year olds are rutherford landed back home in belgium today, she became the youngest woman to fly a solo around the globe, and the first woman to circle the planet in a micro light plane. her 155-day, 32,000 journey, began back in august, that was not without its challenges. the new york times explains that sarah, quote, josh giant clouds in, columbia lightning flashes in mexico, in alaska, her tiny plane was grounded for weeks by bad weather, and a visa delay. that was all before the british and belgian aviator crossed a frozen, desolate patch of siberia. before china barred her from its airspace, and before smog scrambled her root across
india. and in news today, sarah talked about that flight over siberia, and about the flight she almost took over north korea. >> in siberia it was tough, because thankfully nothing happened, but if something did happen, and the engine is not for any reason, then suddenly i'd be stuck in minus 35 degrees celsius, at least three hours away from rescue. flying from russia to south korea was really tough, is that devoid north korea, and that meant to mean a huge detour. and one point the weather started worsening as well, so i briefly considered coming across north korean airspace to avoid the weather, thankfully that was needed. >> zero said she hopes she oh she is my daughter wanted to take up, flynn she says one day she hopes to be an astronaut. that is our broadcast for this thursday night, with our thanks for being with us, on behalf of all of my colleagues at the networks of nbc news, goodnight. networks of nbc
>> tonight on all in, with democracy in peril, the cami recovery and domestic agenda at a crossroads. while she's a staff ron klain on your two of the white house administration. then. >> in history, our main women has faced daunting challenges. >> a new adventure for a vodka. january six committee reveals stunning new evidence in her letter to ivanka trump. i'll ask jamie raskin why they want to interview the former president's daughter. and is donald trump going to be criminally charged in georgia? >> so what are we going to do here folks? i know we need 11,000 votes. fellas, i need 11,000 votes, give me a break. >> why today's announcement of a special grand jury of the case against donald trump. when all in, starts right now. >> good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. the day is january 20th, 2022. it is exactly one year in t