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that's going to do it for us tonight. i'll see you again here tomorrow. "way too early with jonathan lemire" is up next. ♪♪ the u.s. sends another round of lethal aid to ukraine. but president biden says he has no plans to send u.s. or nato troops into the country. with the world on high alert, the question is what more are we learning about the president's options to deter russia from invading its neighbor? plus, new signals expected today on whether the fed plans to raise interest rates to combat soaring inflation. after the wild swings on wall street, the question is, are investors ready for what comes next? and big papi gets the big call from cooperstown.
the boston red sox hero elected to the baseball hall of fame, with his first year on the ballot. with david ortiz in. the question is who's now out? it's "way too early" for this. good morning. and welcome to "way too early." the show that loves david ortiz like a member of its own family. frankly, even more than some of its cousins. i'm jonathan lemire on this wednesday, january 26th. let's start with the news. president biden has no intention of moving u.s. troops to ukraine. but says america has a sacred obligation to reinforce nato forces. it comes as russia signals a possible invasion of ukraine, something the president said will trigger, quote, enormous consequences. >> what's going to happen, what putin does or doesn't do. and i may be moving some of those troops in the near term,
just because it takes time. we have no intention of putting american forces or nato forces in ukraine. but, as i said, there are going to be serious economic consequences if he moves. there will be enormous consequences if he were to go in and invade, as he could, the entire country, or a lesson as well, for russia not only in ec and political consequences, but enormous consequences worldwide. this would be the -- if he were moving in all of those forces it would be the largest invasion since world war ii. it would change the world. >> president is also considering outlining his new strategy to the american people publicly. that's according to four senior administration officials but that timing has been in flux. in part because some in the administration are concerned putin might use the moment to ramp-up his aggression towards
ukraine, where otherwise publicly undermine biden. meanwhile, the u.s. is also working with allies about potentially exposing novel export controls which would block russia from obtaining technology used in products like artificial intelligence. biden has also indicated that he's open to sanctioning russian president vladimir putin directly. as the u.s.ways its options russia yesterday started new military exercises near ukraine's border. a bipartisan group of senators is now discussing how to move forward with sanctions against russia. the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee, democrat bob menendez is now leading talks how to respond if russia makes a move. but republicans say they want to hit vladimir putin now. >> don't wait for the invasion. they're destroying the ukrainian economy. they're throwing europe into chaos. sanction him now for the
provocation, that's my approach. most democrats want to do it after he invades. i think that's too late. >> chairman menendez says he wants to have a package ready to go when the senate returns next week. we'll get an update on the talks when the senator joins "morning joe" later this morning. house speaker nancy pelosi is running for re-election. here's part of why she says she's seeking another term. >> well, much more needs to be done to improve people's lives. our democracy is at risk because of assault on the troops, the assault on the u.s. capitol and the state-by-state assault on voting rights. this election is crucial. nothing less is at stake than our democracy. >> pelosi has served in congress since 1987. she's the first woman to be elected house speaker. the 81-year-old did not say if she'll run for another term in that post. joining us now, co-founder of punchbowl news, jake sherman. he is an msnbc political
contributor and a true friend of the show. jake, good morning. let's start there with speaker pelosi, with the reelection announcement, caught a few people off guard yesterday. and there are some who wonder if it was time to distract from the now more than two dozen democrats who have said they're retiring from the house later this year. give us your sense as to the announcement. and what do we think her future is going forward? >> john, there's no such thing as coincidences in politics. let's just put it that way. house democrats are rushing for the exits. as you know, 29 of them, most recently jim cooper, democrat of tennessee has been serving in the house on and off since 1993, has announced he's going to retire. so, i don't make much of anything with this announcement, to be quite frank for you. people run for office until they don't run for office. they're speaker until they're not speaker. and the ultimate question for pelosi, given what will we know today, about the climate, based
on public polling, based on history, republicans are the favorite to win the house majority. does pelosi, a., want to lead democrats into losing the majority again, if that were to happen as the polls and public sentiment would indicate. and number two, would they want to serve in the house minority and answer to that at 80 something years old. i don't know whether she would or not. but listen she's got as much energy and vick gore. as someone who talks to her nearly every day when congress is in session. i don't make much of this. i just think this is an announcement to make an announcement. i don't think there's much else there. >> good context there for sure, jake. let's shift gears and talk about the situation with russia and ukraine. we're seeing now there's at least some bipartisan agreement, that doesn't happen much. that something needs to be done. though as we just heard, there's a difference as to exactly what and when. there's so much focus on the president, what his response
will be. congress pays a part, too, the house committee there, and senator graham, and congress does have ability to put sanctions on russia without waiting for the president. walk us through what the considerations are now? what are the considerations? what could they do? >> they can do a lot. i have to anticipate they will, to be honest with you. i think you're hearing a growing course of lawmakers who want competitive sanctions on russia, before -- you know, if they go into ukraine. i think the interesting thing will be how far they go, jon. i think there are some people suggesting that they boot russia from the international financial system, remove them from the swiss banking system which would be like a nuclear bomb on russia's economy, quite frankly. but, listen, i have to think once members of congress get back in town, it's going to go like this. the administration is going to come together next week, and they're going to brief both chambers. and i think from there, a lot of
lawmakers will begin to seriously krr what they can do on the economic sanction front because congress has abdicated all their power as it has for years so this is really only their leverage as members of congress. >> jake sherman of punchbowl news, we appreciate it, sir. talk to you again soon. still ahead, clinical trials are under way for a new formula of pfizer's covid vaccine. it comes as two popular treatments are not helping people sick with the omicron variant. we'll get into that. plus, the biden administration's latest move on vaccine mandates following a supreme court ruling against them earlier this month. those stories and a check on the weather as we look at a predawn times square. we'll be back in a minute. square we'll be back in a minute.
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baseball hall of fame. >> yes! >> that was david ortiz receiving his announcement of election into the baseball hall of fame. pedro martinez among those hugging big papi there. a ten-i am all-star 20 seasons mostly with the boston red sox, 78% of ballots clearlying the 75% threshold needed. ortiz is one of 58 players to be elected on the first ballot. the left-handed hitter made his major league debut with the minnesota twins back in 1987, before being released in 2002, they'd like to have that one back. he was signed by boston where he slugged 39 homers the next season. three of his game-winning hits came during boston's drought-ending drought 2004 season. when the red sox defeated the yankees and went on to win their first world series title in 86 years. ortiz became the face of baseball in boston as the sox won the title again in 2007 and
2013. he ended his major league year with a .286 batting average and 541 home runs while making 88% of his plate appearances as a designated hitter the most by far of anyone in the hall. ortiz will be enshrined in cooperstown, new york, in a ceremony, july 24th. had his legacy, perhaps the greatest post-season hitter in the history of the sport. a big smile and my son's all-time favorite player. thank you, pappy. meanwhile, barry bonds curt schilling, roger clemens and sammy sosa were all rejected. clemons won a record seven cy young awards. but voters denied them on allegations that they used performance-enhancing drugs we'll be talking to mike barnicle later on the show. superwinning coach sean payton is stepping down after 16
years. payton leaves 152-89 season record and nine playoff appearances. his tenure saw the saints become a perennial contender. with his announcement led, payton left the door open for a future return to football and perhaps even another head coaching job. turning now to the nba and epic comeback in the nation's capital where the los angeles clippers rallied from 39 points in the first half to stun the wizards. luke canard scored seven points in the final minutes, they led 116-115 win over washington. turning now to action on the courses at the australian open where second seeded daniil medvedev is currently competing for a spot in the semis. a victory means a show down
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windchills for numerous places and windchill warnings out there. it's cold. by minnesota standards it's still very cold. des moines, chicago, windchill advisory, 31 million people included in this. how cold is it, how does it feel out there right now? minneapolis, negative 26. st. louis, negative 3. kentucky at zero. d.c. at 15, boston at 12. pretty much everyone is on board with this. now, let's talk about the weekend storm scenarios. we're still having a little disagreement between the european model which gives a decent snowstorm from new york, philly, hartford, boston. blizzard warnings in eastern new england. the american computer models offshore really has a significant norm for maybe hartford, providence and boston really missing new york city and philadelphia and d.c. for right now, we'll use a compromise forecast. it does look like guaranteed heavy snow, hartford, boston,
portland. new york, philly, question marks. we'll iron that forecast out and still got 2 1/2 days before the first snowflakes fall. >> bill karins, appreciate it. please keep us posted on that snowstorm. ahead, a federal judge is pressing ahead for a criminal trial for certain members of the oath keepers. we'll telling about the investigation of the jn insurrection. in just a few minutes i'll be joined by democratic congresswoman brenda watz of michigan. before we go to wake we want to know, why are you awake? email your answers to "way too early" @jon lemire. we'll be sure to read the answers later on in the show. d answers later on in the show
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♪♪ welcome back to "way too early." it's coming up on 5:30 a.m. on the east coast. 2:30 out west. i'm jonathan lemire. defendants charged with conspiracy related to the january 6th capitol riot will stand trial on april 19th. those with a greater charge of seditious conspiracy will wait until july 11th. among to me, oath keepers founder sturlt rhodes who has pleaded not guilty. regarding the april trial date, one attorney told a judge, explicitly, quote, we would not be ready, period, end of story. but the judge was unmoved telling defense lawyers they've had ample time to be ready. adding this status hearing has
been on the calendar for six months. a federal judge has rejected a bid by attorney john eastman to invalidate a subpoena by the house selection committee investigating the insurrection. eastman is responsible for spearheading then president trump's strategy for overturning the 2020 election results. the committee is seeking documents from chapman university, eastman's former employer. this new order is the latest in a string of victories for congressional victories looking to access key documents that eastman hoped to shield from the panel. joining us now, national correspondent from politico. betsy, we're happy you're here today. let's start with the eastman case. the judge didn't order doubts to be handed over. tell us more of what eastman is going to do. what are we going to see? >> that's right, the judge ordered eastman to create what is called a privilege log.
that's essentially a list of subpoenas issued. a description of each document often briefed. and then a brief characterization of why in the view of eastman that document should not be eligible for production to the january 6th select committee. once the select committee knows what documents eastman has that might be responsive to their subpoena and why he thinks those documents shouldn't be available to the select committee, then the committee can try individually to seize each separate document. it's not the quickest process in the entire world. but as we see in many other cases, some of the legal proceedings related to the january 6th select committee have still happened on a shorter time line than some people might have expected. and at the very least, this is going to give the january 6th select committee a soda straw view into out eastman was using his work email account in relation to what will he was doing in the weeks and days
before the january 6th attack. >> we trust you will keep us posted on that. let's talk about the oath keepers who are going to trial. the lawyers are saying they won't be ready. any word on what the issue is with the defense attorneys? i mean, i can check the calendar. it's been more than a year since the january 6th insurrection. and quite some sometime since the evidence has all been produced. what's the situation here? >> yeah, that's right. there's been some back and forth over the fact there a voluminous amount of electronic evidence related to what happened on january 6th. it's one of perhaps one of the most well doubted crimes in world history because there were so many phones, so many video cameras. so many reporters. so much content related to the horror that day. so, the argument from some of these oath keeper leaders they're still getting photos, videos, other electronic media that might be relevant to the case going forward. the response from judge metain
d.c.s says he believes they have the evidence to the specific client cases and the evidence incoming is relevant, rather, more broadly to january 6th as a whole. there are always concerns in trials like this about what's called brady material. that's material that could be exculpatory to defendants if law enforcement are aware of the existence of this material. and they don't turn it over to the defendants' lawyer, it's a real problem. it can result in cases being invalidated but based on what metta said today, he didn't send any signals that's the type of material that the lawyers for the oath keepers don't yet have. >> you've actually been crushing the january 6th story for politico. and there's' piece this week about concerning activity from capitol police. give us a quick sense what was about? >> that's right. in the month after january 6th, capitol police have been
reviewing social media and public low-profile information about people who had meetings off the capitol hill campus with some members of the congress. social media postings, tax records related to their houses. real estate records trying to put together assessments about the meetings that include significant details about the people attending the meetings. even though this information is technically public it's very concerning to civil liberties advocates that i spoke with including the aclu and the brennan center. they worry anytime law enforcement and intelligence officials are secretly going through media when a crime hasn't been committed or expected to be committed that it raises grave privacy concerns. now capitol police says they need to do this in order to keep people safe. they're doing it in members' offices. some of the members i spoke to said they weren't aware this is going on. >> betsy, we're glad you're
here. please come back soon. still ahead, we're live with cnbc for a look at what's driving the markets after another roller coaster day on wall street. and a legacy automaker wants to throw tesla a target date for taking over the ev market. "way too early" continues in just a moment. "way too early" continues in just a moment.
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it's gone green across the board. most indexes hovering around the 2% morning. travel sector doing particularly well, the travel sector has seen the biggest one-day gain since november 2020. we're trying to work out why that is, broad-based positivity around easing border restriction, easing travel restrictions, vaccines, for example, more people, the german airline up 6% or more. and you mentioned the fed announcement. that's what we're keeping at, jay powell with that announcement around 2:00 p.m. eastern time this afternoon. the markets have largely priced in an expectation of a rate hike in march. the big question we're hearing from economists could it be even more than that in march. but even bigger will the fed start tapering its balance sheet. how will they do it, how aggressive will they be, will they start or end with
mortgage-backed securities? we don't get detail until the fed announced. and the a couple weeks which we and the market it's like to pore over, this has got the markets on standby. as you said, we've seen a selloff in stocks stateside. we're looking at futures. pro this week, 200 points or so, nasdaq up around 200 points, the s&p, though, not doing so well in the futures. >> yeah, it's dizzying right now. earning reports are rolling in and tesla is expected to post record revenue today. give a quick sense of what investors are focusing on. >> there's a couple of things here to bear in mind with tech. the first is kind of an overcrowded market. i was just speaking to somebody who was describing it as a bubble in fact. in fact, so many entrants in this market. bentley this morning in the market with their first all-battery powered vehicle to name a few. tesla, it's got advantage, elon
musk at the helm. revenue expected to run 52% in the fourth quarter. $16.4 billion. that's according to data gathered by agency reuters. the big question is about production that tesla has launched factories in texas and berlin. they can have updated manufacturing technology. tesla as big and shiny as it is, it's not new with battery and chip, it's very reliable on those pieces of technology. also watch out for details regarding the cybertruck. that fascinating piece of machinery. it's been promised to stem tides. let's see if we get that anymore soon. and a $25,000 electric vehicle back in 2020, musk promised that deadline is fast passed. >> we'll keep an eye on that. cnbc's rosana lockwood live from london. still ahead, i'll be joined by congress malm brenda lawrence
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joining us now, democratic congresswoman brenda lawrence of michigan. she represents a large part where general motors is headquarters and where we just announced is making a big investment, $6.6 million in the state. congresswoman, we heard about the biden administration talk about the bipartisan infrastructure bill how that's in law. obviously, this is a process, this doesn't happen overnight. but do you think your party and
the white house has done enough to make americans realize what's in the infrastructure bill and what they're all about to get? >> we are -- we as a democratic party, really, bipartisan, we're so excited about the opportunities that we're going to see in the build back better. as a former mayor and infrastructure bill, we're excited about the build back better but this infrastructure bill will invest, the largest investment as a new bill as a mayor, someone responsible for bridges, ports, railroads, all of the things that we know we're falling behind in the world, that we will bring america back to the standard that we should be to protect our infrastructure. >> so, congresswoman, turning to the midterms, you announced earlier this month, that you would not be seeking re-election, joining 20 other
house democrats in doing so. first of all, thank you, of course, for your time in office. but tell us more about your decision not to seek another term. and how concerned are you right now about the party's chances heading into november? >> it's going to be -- it's going to be a lot of hard work, getting -- keeping our majority. we have a rough road ahead of us. the democrats are ready. we have been delivering through the rescue plan, through the infrastructure bill. and striving for a build back better which is what we know this country needs to become viable and competitive on a global level and domestically here. i want you to know this was not an easy decision. it's bittersweet. i lovely the opportunity to serve. i have been serving for 30 years. through local government and now on the federal level. i was a mayor for 14 years. there's times and seasons in our life that i'm just excited about the next page. but i have a year to continue to
work, to continue to fight, for build back better. and make sure -- because i serve on appropriations that we get the funs out to make sure that our pledge and in the structure bill it happens. and we're making transformational investment in our fracture in the united states. >> congresswoman, i'm going to ask you one more obviously this year, in many ways one of the centerpieces for congress will be the ongoing investigation into the january 6th attack. what do you want to see play out there. there's been discussion of very public, maybe very public prime time hearings. is that what you want to see? what would be an appropriate next step? >> absolutely. as one of those members who was on the floor running down hallways and back staircases, this is real. this is not some political showcase. this is about getting accountability and investigating this, so that we can make sure that we never have to live
through this again. and i am so proud of the bipartisan investigation that's being done, led by my colleague benefit nah thompson. and to have it where we as a public can see the hearings, that we are seeing deliberate, deliberate investigations, and that we understand, that january 6th was one of the most bipartisan days on the hill. because democrats and republicans were running for their lives. down those back staircases, to make sure that we were safe. this was an assault on our democracy. if we do not protect and respect the constitution, the laws and policies about votes and the election results, we don't exist as the united states. so, i'm extremely, extremely passionate and want to see accountability.
and i see it happening right now, it's the only thing that gives me comfort after what the trauma i went through that day. >> all right. congresswoman brenda lawrence, we really appreciate you telling us that now. and thank you for being on today. earlier in the show, show, asked all of you this question, why are you awake? anthony tweeted this. i can't sleep because i'm making plans to go to cooperstown to watch big papi get inducted into the hall of fame. i may see you there. the boys and i considering a trip ourselves. dan, what do you got back there? >> one from libby, who emails, i bought a bust of abraham lincoln and it arrived today. my dog daisy won't stop barking at it. i put it in the closet, and she's barking at the closet. i'm tired. >> president biden has a trump. president trump didn't. i'm not sure if abraham lincoln did or not, but he probably shouldn't have, considering this story. mary posts this, i'm up because i can't get this song out of my
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here's some of what he had to say on the three brothers, no sense podcast. >> you see me come up the stairs and see me look, before i went to look at the door, people were out there, standing around, and all that kind of stuff. so i told them, i think they're downstairs. when i went down there, i get confronted. i'm like, oh, they're actually in the building. i honestly didn't know that they were that far in the building. so -- and then they lock eyes on me right away. just like that, i was in it. so it wasn't a matter of let me leave them alone or not. they would have -- i feel they would have followed me anyway. i heard stories of some of the individuals being armed. i don't know for a fact. i don't know. i heard there were actually officers that were a part of this riot group, who were intermingling with them. they, themselves, you never know.
it could have went -- it could have easily been a bloodbath. kudos to everybody there that showed a measure of restraint with regards to deadly force because it could have been bad. really, really bad. >> joining us now, msnbc contributor, our friend mike barnicle. mike, obviously, extraordinary accounts of heroism there from officer goodman. how do you think hearing that story, and stories like his, could shape the eventual findings of the january 6th commission? >> well, i think the january 6th commission is going to be based on evidence, proof, and testimony that the committee is gathering as we speak, jonathan. the disturbing thing about officer goodman's statement right then, and other's statements about what happened that day when confronted with the mob, is the relative amnesia among the american public about the threat that january 6th posed and still poses to our democracy. >> no question about that. so we wanted to have you here also to talk about our favorite subject, baseball.
you and i are -- >> anything happen? >> there was some news. you and i -- >> what is it? >> mike, i'll be the one to break it to you. david ortiz, one of our favorites, elected to the hall of fame. >> you're kidding me! >> it's spectacular. what does he mean to the red sox and boston? also, we have a lot of bold-faced names. barry bonds, roger clemens, sammy sosa, alex rodriguez, who are not in the hall of fame. what do you think of that? >> of the latter question you just posed, i think it is kind of ridiculous. i mean,clemens, they deserve to be in the hall of fame. there should be an asterisk and explanation of why it took so long for them to get hall of fame status on their plaque. you can't ignore two of the greatest players are off the ballot after ten years being on the ballot. david ortiz symbolizes, i think, from little league, fathers pitching to kids, all the way on
up to major league baseball, what it means to have a core player who is so invested in his team and his teammates, that he can pull a team across a whole season, given his talent as well as his generous mood in the clubhouse. the clubhouse is critical in major league baseball. >> he's also my son's favorite player. greatest clutch hitter in postseason history. >> hands down. >> we're starting with a treat here. we're going to start "morning joe" a little early. >> you're kidding me. >> this is a subject you and i are not the only ones who care about. let's introduce joe scarborough and willie geist, who are both going to weigh in now with the baseball hall of fame induction ceremony. joe scarborough, i'll hand it over to you. give us your sense, what does david ortiz mean to you? >> first of all, i think i speak for willie, it is an honor being on your show. thank you for having us. it's the first time we've been on. >> thank you for the invite. >> i'm happy to try to give young people in the business a break. i figured, you know, a couple
minutes here at the end of the show -- i mean, let's not go crazy here. it is the end of "way too early." we figured we'd give you a chance. >> well, i grew up watching this. we'd watch "happy days," "laverne and shirley" at night. i got up early to see this. "mom, dad, this is what i want to do when i get older." here i am. this is a dream of all dreams. david ortiz, willie, david ortiz as far as being a clutch hitter -- i know we're going to talk about something you don't care about talking too much, but really, he was in cooperstown after 2004. time and again, he was a clutch hitter. i think it was 2013 when we were playing against the tigers. we had no business getting past that tigers team. ortiz hits a home run, buries it into the right field stands. where the cops got his hands up. one of the clutch players of our time.
it is amazing to see how this guy came through time and time again. >> yeah. he deserved to be in the hall of fame on the merits but also just on the guy he was and what he meant to the city of boston. he was there and the face, in many ways, you guys may agree or disagree, of the turning of the page, the new chapter in red sox history in 2004. he won two more world series there and played the game with such joy. for all the statistical measures that go into the hall of fame, that plays into it. people liked watching him play. they liked being around him. they liked talking to him. teammates loved him. i say this as a yanke fan, he was a menace at the plate. you were worried, no matter who was on the mound. he was a joy to watch. i can't imagine leaving him all the hall of fame ballot. then there is the conversation about bonds and clemens, who are off the ballot for good. they've run out of options here. we can have that conversation, but i would just add that david ortiz in his press