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today on "velshi," how to stop the next coup. an election law expert shows how easy it would be for a certain failed ex-president to succeed in stealing the next presidential election, where he failed in the last. we'll talk about what needs to be done and has not been done yet to safeguard the next election. plus, joed's supreme court nominee has not even been named yet and she's already facing an onslaught of racist, sexist attacks from conservatives. we'll talk about biden's promise to put the first-ever black woman on the high court.
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and what it will be like for her to get the job at this moment in history when the court is poised to roll back the rights of women and minorities. and a chilling sign that a russian attack on ukraine could be imminent. new reporting that russia's military buildup around the border now includes blood and other medical splice that would be needed to treat casualties. and you would be forgiven if you lost track of the details of donald trump's ukraine scandal. it was, after all, several possible criminal schemes ago but it is what got him impeached the first time and one of the key participants in that plot believes that what donald trump did then is key to understanding what's happening now. lev parnas, the former rudy giuliani associate who famously spilled all the trumpian tea to rachel maddow in 2020 joins me later in the show. "velshi" starts now.
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good morning you. it is sunday, january the 30th. i'm ali shrill. we may be weeks away from president biden choosing a nominee to replace supreme court nominee stephen breyer who announced his plans to retire this past thursday, but it's already generated plenty of attention and speculation. and it comes as no surprise that conservatives are already voicing opposition to the yet-to-be-named black woman that president biden has vowed to nominate to replace justice breyer. none of those arguments are worth quoting, but you probably already have an idea of the kind of arguments they're making, because the kind of arguments that show up anytime a person from a marginalized group enters the conversation. but that brings to mind the fact that the president has been quietly changes the face of washington, d.c. during his first year in office. the biden administration looks unlike any other administration that came before it. the vice president, kamala harris, the first black person,
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and the first person of south asian descent to hold that office. no other woman has held a higher point in american government, either. secretary of the interior, deb holland, the first-ever native american to hold a cabinet position, she has the important jobs of managing the, and janet yellen, the secretary of treasury holds a position that only men have been appointed to to more than two centuries. that stands in stark contrast to donald trump's cabinet and administration, which were nearly all white and nearly all men, and trump brought that very white and very male philosophy to the courts. five thirty-eight published a headline, it will be tough for biden to reverse trump's legacy of a whiter, more conservative judiciary. during trump's tenure in office,
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about 84% of the federal judges that he appointed were white. despite what five thirty-eight predicted, president biden is trying to remedy what trump did to the federal courts. during his first years in office, a total of 32 have been confirmed. 33 of them have been women. 29 identify as black, asian, hispanic or multi-racial. among that group are beth robinson, the first lbgtq woman to serve on a federal court, and the first muslim american in country's history to serve as a federal judge. this is worth pointing out. it gives context to president biden's pledge of bring an african-american woman to the federal court. president biden said last thursday that it's, quote long
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overdue that a black woman be evaluated to the supreme court. constance baker motley was the first black woman to be appointed to a federal judgeship. that happened in 1966. whomever replaces justice breyer is unlikely to change the balance of power. the 6-3 split will remain and so will the ideological differences on voting rights and affirmative action. what remains to be seen is how the dynamic could change, not only because of the appointment of black woman, which would be historic, but for the first time, four women will sit on the supreme court together. that's never happened before. never in the 232 years since the supreme court was established. now, all of these historic firsts are certainly signs of the great strides we are taking as a country, but it's a reminder that we're only just getting started in making the kind of lasting change that is
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going to lead us toward a more equal and just society. i'm joined now by a senior editor and legal correspondent for slate magazine. she's the host of the amicus podcast. dahlia, with good morning to you. thank you for being with us. i want to read to you something that you've written recently, in which you say, this isn't the first time that identity politics have factored into a supreme court nomination as you point out in slate, you say, president dwight eisenhower nominated justice william bren phan because he was catholic, and the white house believed he needed to shore up support among catholics. the gop's revered candidate ronald reagan campaigned on naming the first woman to the supreme court. he followed through with justice san drooe connor, who was openly selected because of her sex. reagan picked justice antonin scleelya because he was italian american. tell me about how this history that you've written about fits into the rhetoric that you've
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heard in the last week. >> good morning, ali. i think the important thing to take away from all of that is apparently if a republican does it, it's okay, it's principled and bold and expansive and inclusive. when a democrat does it, it's affirmative, and it's to be derided and the nominee is to be tarred as lesser. and it's just a kind of pattern that has persisted for a really long time. when donald trump said, i am going to appoint a woman to replace ruth bader ginsburg, people were, you know, on the right were swooning that he was so kind of capacious in his vision for the court. those same people are now saying, as you noted, no nominee has been named. whoever she is will be in the parlance of one commentator, a lesser black woman. and that's just an intolerable
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insymmetry in how we think about making the country a little more inclusive. >> part of the reason that people don't think about this as they should is because there has been a pipeline from which judges come and that pipeline, as we just illustrated under the trump administration was made younger, more white, and male. how significant is it that these changes that president biden has made to the appointment of federal circuit court judges that are much, much more diverse than they have been in the past. does this help maybe not this time around, despite the fact that biden will nominate a black woman, but will it help diversify the bench in way that makes americans understand that there is a way to make the supreme court as diverse as this country? >> it helps immensely, ali, and maybe the best way to think about it is you mentioned ronald reagan's pledge to find a woman, he had to pluck sandra day o'connor from an intermediate
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appeals court. nobody thought she was in the top tier of candidate. if you look at the women on the short list that is floating around right now for this replacement of justice breyer, these women are phenomenal. i mean, they are out of the stratosphere. and as you noted, a lot of them are already on the bench. some of are on the bench because joe biden in the last year has been a juggernaut in getting them on to the bench. so i think that you can really see that now we have a pool of just unbelievable talented, brilliant, accomplished women. that didn't exist when sandra day o'connor was plucked out. so not just that we're seeing people now sitting on state supreme courts, principal courts who are amplify qualified, but also that they have clerks who are people of color who are coming up the pipeline and who will be in 10 or 15 years amply qualified. so you're right, the spigot needed to be turned on and now
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that it's on, we're just awash with phenomenal with phenomenal candidates. >> i think it's important that people wrote the article you wrote on slate. it provides a lot of context for discussion that doesn't just occur in the ether. these are conversations that people will be having at their kitchen tables because the supreme court is that important. thanks for writing it and being with us this morning. dahlia lithwick is the senior editor and legal correspondent with slate magazine and the host of the important amicus podcast. with me now is the president and ceo for the center for reproductive rights. a group that knows the supreme court and its makeups and tendencies very well. an important conversation with dahlia about both the symbolism of this, the pipeline to becoming a supreme court justice, probably the long-term effect that it will have on the court. but in the short-term, we have several things before this court that will fundamentally change
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some of the rights that americans take for granted, including abortion. does anything in the short-term, because biden's appointment will not change the conservative liberal plans on the court, does any of this give you any hope? >> well, let's just start by saying that justice breyer, many people don't know, he's actually the author of the abortion rights decisions that have been rendered by the court in the last 20 years. he wrote the decision for borg rights in 2020. we'll definitely be missing him on the court. he's been a wonderful, wonderful jurist. as you pointed out, we're waiting for the mississippi decision. 15-week ban in mississippi, the state of mississippi has asked to overturn roe v. wade and of course, justice breyer will be on the court when that decision comes down. but it won't change the balance
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of the court. but here's what it is going to change. it's going to be somebody of a new generation. it's going to be somebody who is a woman. it's going to be somebody who is a black woman. and that is bringing an entirely different experience, of course, from justice breyer's experience, and that's important and good. when you talk about reproductive rights and abortion rights, what actually happens to the people on the ground is so important. skbris breyer did capture that in his opinions. but to have somebody who really reflects the experience that women have is really important. >> there are a number of cases involving abortion restrictions around the country, the possible undoing of roe v. wade, as you mentioned, with the mississippi case that you're directly involved in. are there ways in which the preparations for these cases chapgs based on the makeup of the supreme court, or are your best arguments just always your best arguments? >> well, we always make our best
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arguments. and when you're in front of fair jurists, we win. we will, of course, be looking at what the decision is that comes down in the mississippi case, probably not until june. and looking at, you know, we have three dozen cases in the federal and state courts right now. i mean, one of the things is state courts can give constitutional protections under their state constitutions. that's going to be something, we've always looked at that, but that's going to become increasingly important. >> how important is it for the long-term planning of the court, because we do think of these things as absolutes, right? if the mississippi case moves forward and the -- you know, becomes a law in which abortion outlawed in many parts of the country, there is a world in which these things can change later on when the composition of the court changes. so how do you think of that. how do you think of this nominee as how it place out for the long-term of public policy in
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the united states? >> it's going to be incredibly important, because she will be on the court for decades to come. and the united states out of step with the rest of the world, which is trending towards more liberalization of access towards abortion. and so eventually, it's going to -- whatever the supreme court does in the mississippi case, eventually, it's going to come back to where it was, in roe v. wade. hopefully stronger, understanding the equal protection and gender equity issues around access to abortion care. and in step with the rest of the world that realizes that people's ability to make decisions about their reproductive health care, about both their health, but also their decision making, is a critical human right. and the united states can't stay, whatever happens with this case, it can't stay, you know, in the back, forever. going backwards on women's gender equality. so we're going to see change in the future. it's going to -- we'll see what happens and how long that takes.
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but absolutely, this is going to be an incredibly important addition to the court. >> nancy, good to see you this morning. thank you for joining us. coming up, democracy is on the line in ukraine. president putin amasses more troops alone the border. swaths of the northeast are digging out from that major winter storm that walloped states yesterday from virginia all the way to maine. hat wallopd states yesterday from virginia states yesterday from virginia all the way to maine the brand i trust is qunol.
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thousands of people will be digging themselves out of their homes, driveways, or businesses this morning. millions more are under winter weather advisories after a powerful storm slapped -- slammed the northeast on saturday. officials say it's one of the biggest storms the region has ever seen or at least the biggest we've seen in four years.
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governors in rhode island, massachusetts, maryland, new jersey, all declaring states of emergency this weekend. in total, about 10 million people were placed under blizzard warnings. at the airports, more than 1,200 flights have already been canceled in the united states today, according to there are more than 250 delays already. so if you are traveling, check with your airlines. more than 3,500 flights were canceled on saturday. meanwhile, poweroutageus which tracks ongoing outages reports that more than 60,000 people in massachusetts still have no power this morning. officials are the national grid and eversource say they're already deploying crews to assess the damage and restore power. there are new signs, by the way, this morning, that a russian invasion of ukraine is imminent, with new military and medical unit movements to the border. moscow continues to insist there's nothing to see here. s n.
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there are new developments to tell you about in the tense situation in ukraine as the world awaits a potential russian invasion of that country. the associated press is reporting today that russia continues to send military vehicles to its ally, belarus, which you can see, borders ukraine to the north. belarus is not a nato country. it's a russian ally. russian units, according to the ap, have mobilized near belarus' southern border, which is less than 50 miles from the ukrainian capital of kyiv. the late-night deployment further strengthens the russian military presence near ukraine amid fwooerns of a potential invasion looming in the coming days or weeks. russia claims the troops have been brought fl siberia and the far east for exercises and joint training drills with belarus. now, this comes as new reporting from nbc news reveals that
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russia has moved in blood supplies and other medical aid near the border, a development seen as significant, because these supplies would be need to treat casualies joining us this morning is the pulitzer prize-winning historian, anne applebaum, who has lived in eastern europe. she's a staff writer for the atlantic and a senior fellow at the john hopkins school of advanced international studies. anne, good morning to you. thank you for being with us. there are always concerns when we're in this state, wooirting for something to happen, that certainly in the media, that we beat the drums of war. so i have to ask you, what's the diplomatic side to this? and is there way out? there are a number of people saying that putin is not really looking for war, he's looking to flex muscles and get concessions from the west. what's your take? >> you're absolutely right. there are divided views.
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including in kyiv. i was there awe if weeks ago and the views are about 50/50. there are people who believe that putin wants a war and there's a separate view that says this was a kind of bluff, an organized form of pressure from the very beginning that russia wants to flex its muscles, it wants to get some concessions out of the west, maybe it wants the americans to put pressure on ukraine to do various things that the russians want them to do. you know, i think the trouble is that the americans have seen battle plans, and so they know that there has been thought of real preparation for a real war. and, you know, they're forced by definition to take that seriously. and the ukrainians are taking that seriously. ethey're exercising. they have a territorial army that's training ordinary people in how to use weapons probably
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even this weekend. they're taking it seriously, but we are in a strange position where none of us have a special insight into the russian president's brain, so we can't predict what will happen or when. >> ukraine is not a nato country. for a very long time, it was russian-facing. it's now western facing. it in theory wants to be part of nato. it might happen, might not happen. but there's no treaty obligation for the united states to be involved in ukraine. i have a picture of the nato alliance today. there are very few countries in eastern europe that are not nato-allied right now. what are the folks in ukraine thinking about this? we heard the president of ukraine almost saying to the u.s. president, tone the rhetoric down, it's not as bad as you say it's going to be. >> ukrainians are worried that many case this is a bluff, it's meant to destabilize their country. that could be another goal of this operation.
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the point could be to scare business away from ukraine. the point could be to undermine ukrainian politics in a position of the president. so they would prefer that the rhetoric be toned down, as you say. you know, you also have to see it from the perspective of the ukrainians. ukraine is not in nato. it's been neutral since it became independent from the soviet union in 1981. it thinks of its country that wants peace. it's formally aligned with nobody. russian president has created a sense in ukraine for a desire to be in nato, because the ukrainians like everybody else in the region can see, i you're in nato, you're safer. you're safer from the rupgs aggression. we're in a strange position whereby whereby everybody keeps say, why does everybody keep joining nato. because everybody's afraid of russia. ukraine is consolidating now
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incubator. breathing seemed to take all her strength, jerking her little body with each gasp. two days later, she was gone, too. palwasha's husband, was burying their son when he got the call. it gets worse. the economic collapse is so debilitating that people are selling their organs and their children to survive. entire families have been forced to sell their kidneys for what equals to about $1,500 u.s. so they can buy food. for those who don't have anymore kidneys to sell, they've resorted to selling their children. a mother of eight told sky news, quote, about six months ago, my 3-year-old son died of hunger. i can't see them all lose their lives. at least this way, someone else will feed them. her son added, i can't go to sleep every night with them crying that they are hungry. this is post-war afghanistan. this is the country america and the coalition of nations spent two decades and billions of dollars to rebuild.
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voting may have just got harder for folks living in pennsylvania after a state appellate court struck down its mail voting law on friday. the five-judge panel sided with those who sued saying the voting law is unconstitutional. the majority opinion says the act voefgt, quote, requires the physical presence of the elector, end quote. she went on to say, if voters if the state want to vote legally by mail, official changes to the
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state constitution need to be made. the ruling was swiftly appealed to the supreme court. the law will stay in place until that court weighs in. but this bill was passed in 2019. before the pig lie, before ubiquitous talk of rampant voter fraud and even before the pandemic took hold. it was passed because it made sense. it was passed by a republican-led legislature, signed by tom wolf. it was an actual bipartisan victory. but now 11 out of the 14 republicans suing say that they're no longer in favor of the bill that they themselves supported just two years earlier. when the state was in the throws of the pandemic during the 2020 election mail-in voting proved to be a lifesaver, both literallily and figuratively. 2.6 million pennsylvanians voted by mail or cast an early plat in the 2020 election, about 20% of the votes cast. however, it wouldn't be long before the big lie came and
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upsended all the progress that made voting easier in pennsylvania. democrats in pennsylvania are confident that the state supreme court will overturn this ruling. joining me now is the democratic congresswoman, madeleine dean. she's a member of the house judiciary committee. congresswoman dean, good morning. thanks you for joining us this morning. there are a lot of people who may have missed this. that this concept of how to make voting easier in pennsylvania was a very, very active discussion in the dates prior to the 2020 election. but this one made sense. it was a simple matter that made voting by mail -- it wasn't as easy as it could have been, but easier than it had been in pennsylvania and it's the kind of thing that's worked across this country seamlessly. what's happening in pennsylvania? >> good morning from of snow covered montgomeryk. i think what we see is literally what you just describe. this was an initiative that was led by republican legislators in
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the pennsylvania house and senate where i used to serve. it was negotiated with governor tom wolf, a democrat. >> it went into effect prior to the big lie without any question. the same republican legislaors that are now suing to have it claimed unconstitutional, promoted it, used it in the following election, and suddenly, when donald trump lost and the big lie was born, they think it's unconstitutional. we see what it is. sadly, it is a two-pronged approach, very cynical one, to try to declare unconstitutional mail-in voting, and two, to continue to sow the seeds of doubt around the voracity of our elections. both very cynical. i am confident that pennsylvania supreme court will find the law constitutional. >> and there were dozens and
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dozens of challenges, pennsylvania, like other reasons, was ground zero for the terrain and their cronies. montgomery county, where you are right now, was the scene of numerous challenges to the legitimacy of the votes that had been cast there. all were deemed to be legitimate. joust like every other state with mail-in voting, there was no problem to be found. so how do we explain the switch from, in particular, these republican members who were all about more mail-in voting in pennsylvania and who suddenly are not, despite no proof to suggest that there was anything wrong with the mail-in voting in pennsylvania. >> it's a very thinly veiled attempt at voter suppression. because what the facts show is that a high number of people in pennsylvania, voters in pennsylvania, came forward skpad, i want to take advantage of the safety and security of
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mail-in voting. and republicans didn't like that outcome. they dwant -- they literally went into courts try to throw out mail-in votes. you imagine trying to throw out millions of voters' voices. this is what donald trump engenders. all the while, if you'll recall, donald trump took advantage of mail-in ballots. >> we reported that the pennsylvania democrats are confident of success with the appeals court. i worry these days that that's where we have to be confident of success in. how do we actually change this? there are constant efforts underway in pennsylvania and a number of other states to make voting difficult, complicated, hard to do. is it enough to fight this in the courts? >> i share your opinion. this should not be something that we have to finally wait for the pennsylvania supreme court to do the right thing.
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so what i would say to people is, elections matter. as we face redistricting here, both at the state legislative level and the congressional level, those maps are not yet finalized, elections matter. it's very exciting to see the new maps that are propose for the state house and the state senate. far less gerrymandering, with a chance for better preparation. we need make sure redistricts is not gerrymandered and we need to go out and vote for folks who will not run as people who want to suppress voters in pennsylvania. >> congresswoman, thanks for joining us this morning. i'm in new york, but as soon as this show is finished, i'm headed to montgomery county. madeleine dean of pennsylvania. all right. how much does artificial intelligence play a role in your life? you might be amazed at how embedded ai is in your daily routine. some of it is absolutely wonderful. but not all of it. wonderful. wonderful. but not all ioft.
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. when you think of artificial intelligence, ai for short, you may think it's something straight out of a sci-fi movie like this. >> open the pod bay doors, hal. >> i'm sorry, dave, i'm afraid i can't do that. >> what are you talking about, hal?
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>> this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. good-bye. >> that was a clip from stanley cooper's 2001 "a space odyssey." spoiler alert, the hyperintelligent robot ends up being the bad guy. we see that trope used a lot. ai is not in the future. it's becoming a significant part of our everyday lives, which poses a number of unforeseen risks right now. we actually interact with ai on variety of levels. you've seen it used to make music or clothe recommendations or to suggest which netflix show you should watch next. those are relatively simple, straightforward tasks for a computer to model. much in a way a human could interpret them, only faster. but ai is increasingly being used for more much complicated tasks, such as predict wrg a crime might take place or even
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divorce immediatations. my colleague has a fantastic new book out entitled "the loop: how technology is creating a world without choices and how to fight back." he sends a warning. my old friend, jake ward joins me now. it's very early where he is in northern california, but it's always good to see you, my friend. in your book, you write, our uncontrolled tendencies are the surfaces by which technology will shape your lives. tell me how you first beginning your book. >> well, thank you so much for having me on this morning. you know, conversations that you and i have had over the years online and off are part of how we got to do this. i'm right to articulate that
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hal is going to refuse to open the doors. hal will look at the way dave makes kegses and amplify his worst qualities. we are seeing that again and again across the business technology landscape. and the reason that the book starts with how the human brain works is essentially the last 50 years of behavioral science has shown that we make the vast majority of our decisions using unconscious instinct. those instincts have tremendous patterns and there's nothing like a pattern recognition algorithm to predict what that instinctive system is going to do next. now that companies are beginning to figure that out and deploying these pattern recognition systems to figure out what you and i are going to do next, well, it turns out that the capacity for manipulation and even predatory tactics is enormous. so that's what the book winds up being about. >> talk to me about why ai manifests are worst practices,
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are worst patterns as opposed to the best. if it's an algorithm, can't it do either? >> absolutely. and ai does fantastic things. you show a computer a picture of a mole on someone's back, and it can detect whether that's likely to be cancer far better than humans can. unfortunately, when it comes to how we use technology, money, as you know, ali, is really the deciding factor. so when you want to make money as quickly as possible off human beings, you're not going to try to sell something to their most thoughtful, most cautious, most rational side of their brain, instead, you'll sell it to the instinctive, unconscious brain that forms tribal associations and can't help but start shouting on twitter. that can't help be be afraid of strangers. the absolute worst tendencies that we have. and the ones that we have spent thousands of years as a society
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creating law and politics to try compensate for. unfortunately, ai offers unscrupulous businesses the opportunity to make incredible money off us, and even at a time we're going to have technology that could, in fact make us so much smarter. >> i always think about things that can make our decision making better. ways that we can take biases out of what we do. you end up writing in the book, we would end up using ai on stuff we would rather not do, morally and legally fraught choices about who gets a loan and who gets a job. risky gambles on screenplays and advertising. and if we can succumb to the idea that we can pay a company that absolves us of any culpability for the biases that we might hold about one another, before we know it, we won't know how to do it any other ways. you're making the argument in the book that if we give too
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much to ai to help us make decisions, we will lose our ability to make decisions. >> that's absolutely right. in the short-term, the efficiency we are going to get out of these systems is incredible. for instance, if you're hiring somebody for a job right now, you can use an ai-based system to find a candidate in record time. but what if you want to hire somebody who does not check the boxes that that ai has built to detect? you cannot necessarily go back and change the process, because the whole company is built for a single person to use an automated system,n let's say, just 24 to 48 hours. eventually, it may be the case that it's too legally risky for a person to override the ai to make that decision. that could be true in loan making, it could be true many momentum pornlgs or in all sorts of areas. i'm seeing over and over again places in which the decisions that we used to make in slow,
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difficult, inefficient, costly ways, you know, systems that could have been vastly more efficient, it turns out that those actually had an ethical stopgap in many cases, and all of that could be brushed aside, and this is the important takeaway, ali, our brains are such that we love to believe the verdict of a system we don't understand. the technical term is antipermorphism. if you see something that gives you a verdict and you don't understand how it works, you think, that must be right. >> we all use ai a lot. i think we don't all know that much at it. it's an important, great book you've written. you've spent a great amount of tying about it and studying. jake ward is nbc newser technology correspondent and author of the brand-new book, "the loop." get yourself a copy. it is available now. don't go anywhere. there's a lot more you need to
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know before you get started on this sunday morning. the insurrectionist former president teases running for president again, this time on a platform of pardoning the people who attempted the violent overthrow of the united states government. another hour of "velshi" begins right now. good morning. it's all been straightened out. it's sunday 9:00 a.m. in the east, 6:00 a.m. out west. it's been a little more than a year since a violent mob of the former president's supporters carried out a deadly attack on the nation's capitol. but if you were hoping that they would feel even a shred of remorse for their actions, this is not your day. at his latest rally in texas, he told his supporters that if he wins in 2024, he will pardon his


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