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with them. you can't. >> and on top of that, he trusts them and he likes them. hard to imagine why. as always, my friend, good to see you. >> hard to imagine grassley saying the reverse. >> yeah, absolutely. i can't imagine it either. >> good to see you, my friend. great show as always. for everyone joining us at home, good evening to you. welcome to ayman tonight. how russia is working to sew confusion and discord among the public. plus, donald trump is back at it again. and the affirmative action fight is being centered around asian americans. but why? i'm ayman mohyeldin. let's get started. good evening, everyone. we begin tonight in russia where president slood mere putin amassed as many as troops along
the border. as the world waits for an all-out invasion, there is one form of warfare that is already well underway. russia disinformation and propaganda. in fact, in recent weeks, u.s. intelligence officials concluded that russia is using disinformation to lay the ground work for an invasion of sorts. so to undercut their ufrts, to undermine this disinformation campaign, the white house, the state department, even european officials are beginning to highlight them. basically, they're trying to expose them. here is what january sa jen psa say. >> we have made a decision to call it disinformation when we see it and all across the federal government. agencies are working together to fight disinformation and correct it. russia has a boundless capacity to misrepresent truth and what it's doing. and some of that tactic from their end is intended to set the predicate for them invading.
>> and now thanks to those efforts to name and shame and robust media coverage of the situation, we have a pretty good idea what russia's disinformation campaign looks like. earlier this month, russian state media reported the claim that that is group of commandos would give ukrainians cover to retaliate against russia. it is important to keep in mind this report came just days after u.s. officials basically said that they had evidence that it was the russians that had been pre-positioning operatives in ukraine to conduct their own false flag information. it is hard to know who is telling the truth here for a moment. but this could be an example of russia trying to deflect criticism of their own actions by accusing their adversaries of doing the same thing against them. next is this claim from putin himself that his actions are an attempt to protect russians
living in ukraine from ethnic violence. going as far as to claim what's happening there looks like genocide. let's be clear here, there are no credible reports of russians living inside ukraine. it is inside crimea since russia's occupation began in 2014. perhaps one of the most shocking examples is the claim in russian media that the u.s. is planning a chemical weapons attack in ukraine. as the state department has pointed out, the united states has signed the chemical weapon's convention and does not use chemical weapons in war. it also points out that in 2020, the global chemical weapons watchdog group includes that aleksi navalny had been poisoned. efforts to call out and debunk criminal information by the u.s. and european officials are to be applauded. let's be clear about that.
in fact, in 2014, the west was completely caught flat footed by the kremlin's disinformation play book. one of the more bizarre examples is a story broadcast in russian state media about the supposed public execution of a three-year-old boy. a supposed witness said the boy was cruisefied in the crowd or marching by ukrainian rebels in the main square. the damage had been done. and the story would be used to try to justify the russian invasion into crimea, which the world wasn't able to stop. as that incident proves, sometimes the most important battle is the information one, a situation we are all too familiar with here in the united states. after all, it was disinformation related to the big lie that helped push some americans to commit an assault on our own democracy. if the u.s. is going to stand up to russia, it must beat its
propaganda before a single bullet is fired. joining me now to discuss that and more is a global fellow at the wilson center and the author of "how to lose the information war: russia, fake news and the future of conflict." it is great to have you with us. the u.s. and western governments are making a much more concerted effort as i was pointing out to call out russia's disinformation campaign, especially compared to what we saw play out in the run up to the invasion of crimea. how do you think they're doing so far? are they winning the battle in that information war? >> well, you know, ayman, we are really far behind in this battle. russia has been at this for decades. they're well practiced at these techniques and we ignored a lot of warnings. from 2007 on yard, these technicians were being auditioned. now we have wised up a bit, and
i'm glad we have. i think these, you know, attempting by jen psaki, by the u.k. defense secretary ben wallace to call out russian information from perked people's ears up a little bit and we're primed to ignore what the russian government is saying and at least question it a bit more. but the problem is it's just those communities along the border that really matter. we have seen these border conflicts before. and if russia can throw a match, it might innight a match before we know it. i just hope that we have been prudent enough over the past couple of weeks as this buildup as continued and we'll see what happens as time marches on here. >> are you seeing a change in russia's tactics as well? what has russia's reaction been to this perhaps proactive, more proactive stance from the u.s. and its nato allies? >> so i think their general approach to this information is just trying to flood the zone.
that's what a lot of disinformation scholars call it. they have the resources, both monetary and human to really throw a lot of falsehoods into our never ending information cycle. and what we have seen in our research resilience, which combats disinformation and we have seen a 50% uptick in how much disinformation about ukrainian aggression is being spread on russian state media channels. just as a reminder for viewers as you beautifully laid out, ukraine is not the aggressor in this conflict. they're the ones that had their territory forcibly taken from them by the russian government. any talk of ukrainian adepression is so farfetched. it is ukraine trying to defend its own sovereignty. again, we have seen that almost double in the past couple of weeks compared to at the beginning of last year. >> you know, the funny thing is, you know you have made it big
when even "saturday night live" is aware of your disinformation. i want you to see this clip from last night's episode. watch. >> they're even turning our most beloved heroes against us. >> i don't always get invaded, but when i do, i prefer russia. >> not to mention this. why igotta be ukraiian when russia two feet away. nothing is sacred to them not even guy checking out hot girl. >> so they're obvious hi making light of the situation, but in a piece you wrote for "the washington post," you talked about using mercenary influencers on tiktok. tell us more about these efforts. >> yeah, absolutely. i think russia is attempting just a "saturday night live" underlined to get to the younger population and say this european future you were envisions for yourself, you can have it in
russia or have a better future in russia, trying to prop up this idea that russia is anything but an authoritarian country. those, i think, efforts are a little bit transparent for ukrainians at this point. you know, they have been going through eight years of war and have lost about 14,000 people in this conflict. this the europe's only hot war. so i think putin really has miscalculated if he thinks he's going to find a really accepting ukrainian public. ukrainians don't want war and russia doesn't want war either. if you look at the polling from russia, which has to be taken with a grain of salt, these propaganda efforts aren't being taken to heart by the russian population. nobody wants more with ukraine certainly and although there is more appetite for war with nato, it is in tatters with news of sanctions that might be coming. i mean, the situation is not good. so hopefully we see president
putin reconsidering before a massive loss of life and big impact on the russian people as well. >> take me on the ground inside ukraine for a moment. i know you tracked this a lot closer than i do, but the broader efforts by the west to combat these efforts on a global scale, what is being done on the ground to combat disinformation, if anything? >> yeah. well, ukraine is one of the more advanced countries in dealing with disinformation because they have been dealing with it for the past eight years and then before that during their early independence on the soviet period. so they invested in media literacy efforts. they have centered set up to track and combat disinformation. and the new president, president zelensky who is famous in the united states for being a comedian is very famously as a russian speaker from an ethnic area of russia in the ukraine invested in russian language media in ukraine to make sure
the ukrainian government has a way to communicate with those populations that might only get their news from kremlin-sponsored state news networks. so i think that's very smart. more broadly, we see a lot of western governments, the u.s., u.k. and new governments investing and supporting ukraine in these efforts and supporting pushing back on russian disinformation around the european continent. and we're learning slowly. i would like to see more investment from all of the allied countries in this because it is one of the things you pointed out at the beginning of the show that is fuelling a lot of the backsliding of democracy that we're seeing across the west. i think it is one of the most important topics that we have. it is a threat to democracy. every day we don't do anything about it and i think we're finally again starting to wake up and invest in these long-term efforts that we need to fight disinformation. >> again, as i was mentioning, there is this effort by the russians to give a pretext to the invasion of ukraine, so it seems very important to be
tracking what that pretext is. nina, thank you so much for joining us this evening. greatly appreciate your insights. >> my pleasure. joining me now is congressman david cicilline. he's a member of the foreign relations committee and just got back from an official visit to ukraine. thank you for joining us this evening. i greatly appreciate your time. you were just in ukraine along with senior members of the house foreign affairs committee. can you tell us about your trip and what you saw and concluded while you were there? >> yeah. well, our trip first took us to brussels to talk about a unified response to russian aggression. we then traveled to kyiv where we met with the foreign minister and the defense minister, the intelligence director and president zelensky. we were there really to communicate in a bipartisan why with republicans and democrats that we stand with the ukraine
onpeople. we stand for their right to berain a sovereign country and against any effort to change the borders of u.k. by russia and vladimir putin. we're prepared to do everything we can to support ukraine. i can tell you they are taking this threat seriously. they are preparing and at the same time are careful not to get the public panicked and not to give putin a defeat by having the economy crumble and have people panic. so this is a battle they have been in for a number of years. now they understand disinformation. they understand the threat russia poses. but there are people prepared to fight for their country. they're asking for help in that fight, so their allies in the region, our nato allies are prepared to do all that we can to support them in their effort to defend their own country. >> so tell us about what that help looks like. what kind of assistance are ukrainian officials asking for and are they getting the help they need at this point?
let's be quite frank. american troops will not go and defend ukraine. as you mentioned, they're prepared to fight for their own country. but what is it they are asking for. what is it they need? and are they getting it? >> in fact, they didn't ask for our troops. they are prepared to fight for their own democracy and their own freedoms and they made that clear. they built a lot of capability over the last several years. we have assisted with that. but there is no question that currently russia has a much stronger military. so they will need assistance, everything from weapons to ammunition, some additional training, but they're also going to need economic assistance to help support their economy if an invasion occurs. so they're asking both military assistance, economic assistance and i think they're getting support from many european countries. they're getting support from the united states. we have already done a lot. i expect we will do more. we took back their requests both for economic assistance and more military assistance.
we'll bring that to our colleagues. but this is more than just about ukraine. this is about whether we will defend the alliance that kept europe at peace for a generation after two world wars, and it's really about whether or not we will allow vladimir putin to invade a southern country. so our message was we will participate in the most crushing sanctions imaginable that will cripple the russian economy. we want vladimir putin to know everyone is on board to do that. we also want him to understand that if he thinks he's going to march into kyiv or ukraine and the people will just welcome him, he's sadly mistaken. these are people that are proudly ukrainian, that don't want anything to do with russia and vladimir putin and have already seen the aggression of russia. hopefully he'll understand the risks and the more unified we are as the europe, united states with ukraine, the better chance we have in preventing this military action from happening at all. >> i notice, sir, you were
talking about something that's got a little attention this week, the disconnect described between what the ukrainian president is trying to not cause panic in his country and the language that has come out of washington, certainly this white house saying an invasion is imminent. it doesn't seem the ukrainians see it that way. although they do see russia as a threat. they don't see an invasion imminent. what was your read on the conversations they have from them? are they on the same page from what the united states is assessing to be an imminent invasion or are they down playing what is happening there? >> no. look, they're working closely with our intelligence communities and the intelligence communities of allies in europe. they understand the presence on their border, more than 110,00 to russian troops. they understand the preparations underway. i think president zelensky is trying to balance to make sure he doesn't create balance in his own country that will cause economic consequences and cause people to flee from ukraine and
create instability and frankly disstabilize the country. i think he's trying to balance to reassure the public that preparations are underway. they understand the threat and working with their allies. they're asking for economic assistance, military assistance. but the ukrainians that are living their lives and they have lived with this since 2014. they are familiar with this warfare. they're familiar with russian aggression. so it hasn't paralyzed them. when you are on the streets of ukraine, people are living their lives going about their business. but i think the government understands the serious threat and are prepared to respond to it but at the same time are working hard to protect ukrainian economy and their ukrainian way of life. i think that's a responsible way to do it. >> before you go, congressman, i wanted to play some recent comments by putin's favorite american prop began nis over at fox, tucker carlson. watch this. >> the fact is ukraine is strategically irrelevant to the
united states. no rational person could defend a war with russia over ukraine. why is it disloyal to side with russia but loyal to side with ukraine? they're both foreign countries that don't care anything about the united states. kind of strange. >> what's your take there on tucker's argument shamelessly siding with putin? >> it is disgraceful. first of all, the difference is ukraine is a democracy. russia is an authoritarian dictatorship. one is an ally of the united states and they are on the border of russia and really the frontier. if we allow vladimir putin to take a sovereign country, it endangered a peace and stability in europe and ultimately the united states. the notion both russia and ukraine are both countcountries cares, this is about the future of democracy in the world and protecting their ability to remain a democracy from a threat, from an aggressive
athorntarian government is crucial to people in europe and people in this country. and there is a big difference. you know, we met with ukrainians who said one woman in particular, i live in the soviet union. i know what it is to live there. i'm never going back. i'm never going to give up the freedoms i have in ukraine. i'm willing to fight with my own gun to protect our democracy in our country. if they're willing to do that, we have to be willing to stand with them to show the world that democracy works. tucker carlson should be ashamed of himself. >> couldn't agree with you more. i know it's been a busy week for you. thank you for joining us this evening. greatly appreciate it. >> my pleasure. coming up, one super freshman is making her mark on climate policy in the house. democrat congressman melanie stance berry joins me live next (. plus, who is edward blum.
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to mount large protests in cities like atlanta and new york if prosecutors who are investing him and his businesses take action against him. have we learned nothing from the last time? january 6th was traumatizing for us as a country, especially for those lawmakers inside the capitol today, but we continue to be re-traumatized again and again as figures in the republican party prop up a man that continues to use the same inflame tear language for political gain. joining me now is congresswoman melanie stansbury. president trump had a statement out this evening referring to the bipartisan effort to reform the electoral count which is gaining some traction in congress. in fact, he continued to push that vice president mike pence had the power to overturn the election. i see that as an admission of guilt for what he was trying to do on january 6th.
what is your take on this statement tonight, that we believed mike pence could have overturned the election and that's what he wanted him to do. >> thank you so much for having me on tonight. what is clear is that we know that the trump organization engaged in criminal activity with regards to this deal of this election and in fact here in new mexico in my own state we know that two members of our gop have been subpoenaed by the january 6th special committee and what we know is that fake electors were actually sending forward documents that were signifying that trump had won the election in states like new mexico where that was clearly false. in fact, in new mexico trump lost and biden won by 99,000 votes in our states. this is criminal activity in our state laws. it's been referred by our ag for
action and we must fight out and get to the bottom of what happened at the federal level. so our select committee will be investigating these charges along with everything else that's been going on. >> yeah. speaking of the select committee, the january 6th committee said it is subpoenaing more than two dozen people involved in the fake e welcome tor scheme following the 2020 election. two of those individuals from your home state of new mexico, does it surprise you how far the former president's supporters went to overturn the election? >> i think that it's shocking to see the degree to which local officials, especially in the state of new mexico and all across the country participated in this huge lie and fabrication and effort to steal our democracy. the foundation of our democracy is open, free and fair elections, and i ayman mohyeldin appalled and disgusted to see that local officials have
participated in these activities which are clearly criminal and were clearly designed to overturn the will of the people and we really have to get to the bottom of these issues. >> i want to move on to your work in washington. you have gained quite the reputation when it comes to climate policy. thank god there is someone out there fighting for climate policy in a meaningful way. a staffer level knowledge about environmental issues. how did climate become such an important cause for you. more importantly, i understand why it has become a cause for you. why do you think has it not been a cause for your colleagues? >> well, i worked on climate and water resilience my entire career. i actually worked at the nexus between science and sustainability and social justice since i was a kid. my background is as a science educator and i worked especially
in water resources throughout my career and during the obama administration i worked on the white house council and the u.s. senate. and like so many young, new people who came to politics after the 2016 election, i ran for office because i believe deeply that we can bring meaningful change not only to our political system but that the moment demand that new leaders step up and step into spaces that they have never been before to really fight for the issues that we care about like climate change. and what i believe is that we're really at this inflection moment globally in terms of solving our climate crisis. we know that the problem is a chemistry problem and economics problem and a political problem and we have the ability to solve those problems in terms of the chemistry and the policy. but we have not yet mustered the political will to make it happen. that's why it is so important there is leaders like myself and so many of the young new leaders in congress serving in our
legislatures across the country that are out there fighting every day to get mutual legislation passed. now with respect to what happens next in congress, we have to get the build back better act passed. it is the best opportunity that we have in the immediate future to solve the climate crisis. it makes the largest single investment in climate change our country has ever made over a half a trillion dollars and really tries to address this problem in a multifaceted way. we have to get this bill across the finish line and then we have to double down and support our communities and lift up those community-based solutions to we can start to combat climate change on the ground. >> let's talk about build back better for a moment there. it is a major part of president biden's efforts to combat the climate crisis. that legislation is back to the negotiating table as you know after senator manchin pulled his support for it last month. realistically speaking, what are
some of the nonneg yabl items you have for that bill and do you think democrats can get it done if they approach it from a different way such as breaking it up. is that the approach you think can see some action on climate change? >> i believe that we absolutely can and will get something done. i will say that unequivocally. what is clear is that in order to get climate legislation and many of the social provisions across the finish line, we have to use the reconciliation process because we don't have 60 votes in the senate to get meaningful climate legislation across the finish line right now. what is nonnegotiable in the package is that we whittle it down to something that doesn't actually address the problems and that is addressing our carbon footprint, empowering our communities to actually build a more resilient future and the investing in those fundamentals that we need so that our communities can plan for a more water resilient future, that can
address wild fires. we can protect our public lands and ecosystems. those are some of the core pieces that are really important for climate change in the build back better act. and politically speaking, i do believe that there is the political will to get the build back better done. i think all the important parties are at the stable. they're having the right discussions and trying to find the right path forward, and i think we will get it done by the end of the year. >> congresswoman melanie stansbury from new mexico, thank you so much for your time. best of luck to you on that important fight for stopping the climate crisis. >> thank you. one white-led organization is using asian american plaintiffs to beat back affirmative action policies in colleges. we will bring that story to you next. l bring that story to you l bring that story to you nextat cvs pharmacy. there's so much new in the new chicken & bacon ranch,
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but experts are cautioning against conflating the race conscious admission policy with the rise in antiasian hate. it's all actually part of a conservative strategy. quote, they weaponized concerns about violence against other minorities. this is an old tactic in white supremacy's play book and should not be allowed to succeed. kim, it is great to have you with us. we have a heightened awareness now of the rise in anti-asian hate crimes that began at the start of the pandemic, but some people are taking advantage of something terrible to make a bad faith argument on behalf of asian-americans. doesn't ta take away from something real that deserves our attention and action? >> yeah. absolutely. the thing is with affirmative action, it is one of the most misunderstood topics when it comes to asian america. as you had pointed out before,
asian americans are really portrayed as the biggest opponents of affirmative action when in reality there is a 70% support for affirmative action. but, of course, we're seeing, especially in new york city alone, we have seen a 361% increase in hate crimes against asian-americans in 2021 compared to 2020. so it is a very real issue that asian-americans are dealing with. there is a great deal of fear in the community and there is a lot of anxiety around public safety and experts are condemning that con flags of these two different topics because one is a very real threat to the asian-american community and the other expanded educational opportunities for marginalized groups including asian-americans. as you pointed out before, we're dealing with a conservative majority on the supreme court. and this is the first meaningful challenge i think in decades to race conscious admissions.
so everything is kind of at stake here. experts are saying to conflate these two things is not only dishonest, but at this time it is dangerous to a cause such as, you know, anti-asian hate in the violence against asian-americans that has yet to be really remedied at this point. >> yeah. let's look at one of the lawsuits here in particular. this one, this is the case against harvard. they're accused of discriminating against asian-american students by using a subjective standard to gauge traits like courage and kindness which its critics say effectively created a ceiling for them in admissions. the national council of asian-pacific americans say they looked at those findings and did not find evidence of intentional or implicit bias. it doesn't seem like there is a clear-cut answer here. what is your take on this? >> well, you know, asian-american former harvard students actually testified on
behalf of harvard saying that the consideration of race helped their journey to the school and helped their journey to higher education because it was a part of them that was really important in both their education and then their lives. so wholistically if they're looking at admissions and if they're looking at these applications, it was actually a great benefit to them. the other thing about, you know, affirmative action in this issue when we're talking about asian americans is i think there is kind of this tendency to look at asian-americans as a monolith when there are varying degrees of power and privilege and opportunity. so there are groups that, you know, really do benefit from affirmative action. one of which would be southeast asians who they have about a 30% -- 30% of the group has not completed a high school education or has obtained a ged and that is comparison to
roughly 13% of the population. so experts are really saying that there are groups within asian america who really need better access to higher education and something like affirmative action could help them. it doesn't hurt them. >> do you believe that the asian american community being used as pawns because the man behind these cases is a conservative activist with a long history of fighting against affirmative action. i mentioned, and you know this as well, that you have 70% of asian americans that support affirmative action. so it seems to me he's just using the asian american community as pawns to complete his own personal objectives. >> yeah, ayman, this is a tactic that's been used in the past. when we're even talking about this concept of the model minority myth, something like this was used after world war ii after the forced incarceration of japanese americans.
white politicians would uplift stories of japanese american success to not only erase the sins of the past but also squash the growing civil rights movement. so when we look at what's happening now, a lot of experts say that it is a repetition of something that's happened before. we have seen the play book, and this is exactly, you know, it is something that's very familiar. using asian americans as a wedge to further, you know, other agenda and squash that of marginalized communities is not something new whatsoever. and finally, let me just ask you if in fact affirmative action is struck down by this conservative court next year, obviously it will impact black students or african american students. it will certainly affect latino students. how could that affect the asian community in higher education as well? >> yeah. there is actually a lot of research that said without affirmative action policies, there is a good chunk of asian
americans, 20%, would not have gotten into these elite private schools with just their test scores. so asian americans would definitely be impacted as well. when we say race conscious admissions, it means the consideration in race at any part means consideration of rate in any part of the process. a lot of people are thinking it is just admissions, but we're talking about something that is much bigger, i think, then what we're even seeing today. >> yeah, that's a really good point. i'm glad that you highlighted that. thank you so much for helping us put a spotleegt on this. one democratic law make is mad as hell and he won't take it any more. stay with us. stay wit
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