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and this interview on facebook, shot by msnbc, one man tries to stop russian tanks advances with his own two hands. ended up close look at the devastating reality. look at these young kids, forced to pack everything into their suitcases and flee. while many teens and adults are deciding whether to stay, whether to go, or stay and fight. >> if we have to, we will fight because i am not sure how it could be possible to not fight for this country. >> it is now the fourth day of the invasion. at least 150,000 people have already fled the country. plus, -- >> the problem is not that putin is smart, which of course he is smart, but the real problem is that our leaders are dumb. >> former president donald trump doubles down on his praise for vladimir putin in his sin pack speech last night. president biden is reacting.
good morning, everybody. it is sunday, february 27th. i am lindsey reiser, we have a team of reporters and analysts following the very latest for us this morning. from moscow, to brussels, to poland. moments ago, in a televised address, russian president vladimir putin praised russian special forces we said quote, heroically fulfill their duty in ukraine. this news comes, just hours after we are learning russian forces have reportedly entered kharkiv in northeastern ukraine, according to a ukrainian official. russia has also unleashed a new wave of attacks on ukrainian air fields, and the fuel facilities as the fighting continues for a fourth day. ukrainian forces appear to be holding on to the capital city of kyiv, despite the overwhelming might of the russian army. massive explosions lighting up the skies south of kyiv this morning as the fighting continues unabated. i want to show you some video here, a homemade molotov cocktail being thrown at a russian truck, rolling through a city in northeastern ukraine. an american defense official
says the u.s. believes the russians are frustrated by the ukrainian resistance. president zelenskyy, rallying his country, saying his fighters quote, withstood and successfully repelled enemy attacks. around the world, protesters are taking to the streets, calling on putin to end his invasion, including in russia, where more than 30,000 citizens there have been arrested. and now, the biden administration and european allies are working to expel certain russian banks from the key international swift financial system. for more on all of this, we now turn to msnbc news correspondent ralph sanchez, live in moscow, and josh lederman, live in brussels. raf, what more can you tell us about this fourth of fighting, and also the news that zelenskyy so far is rejecting russia's offer to hold talks in belarus? >> lindsey, the big picture here, russian forces continue to advance, but they continue to meet stiff ukrainian resistance.
lead russian advance troops have now entered the city of kharkiv, according to the ukrainian government. now, this fighting in the city center. as you said, that is the second largest city in ukraine. now, there was fighting overnight in kyiv, the capital city. it was not as intense as what we have seen the night before. the city remains in the hands of ukrainian government, and president zelenskyy is still there, continuing to rally his country. i think now, the big question is will the russians launch an all out assault on kyiv, a city the size of chicago. and if they do, what kind of devastation are we going to see their? now, we have heard from president putin this morning, in the form of a recorded video message for special forces day. and lindsey, what was really interesting is he specifically saluted the commandoes in ukraine, who he said were helping to protect russian
speakers in those two breakaway republics. the reason why that is interesting is that people here in russia have been told that this invasion is about protecting those russian speakers in the far east of the country. the reality is that this is a large-scale invasion on all fronts, that is clearly aimed at toppling the ukrainian government. but president putin still feels the need to keep up this impression that this is about eastern ukraine. now, the kremlin has said they sent a delegation to belarus for possible peace talks with the ukrainian government. president zelenskyy saying, he is prepared to negotiate, but not in belarus. traditionally, belarus has been a neutral venue for russians and ukrainians to meet and talk things out. we could speak about the minsk one and two agreements, those are both hashed out in belarus. today, that louis is effectively a staging ground
for the russian military. the troops who were driving south towards kyiv, they have come from belarus. so president zelenskyy is saying, basically, this is enemy territory. we are waiting to see if the kremlin will take him up on his offer, meeting anywhere else. >> he suggested both turkey and poland as possible venues. but these are talks about talks. the real question over here is, does president vladimir putin of russia have any real intention of bringing this fighting to an end, of settling this at the negotiating table, when his forces are currently besieging multiple ukrainian cities and advancing across the country. lindsey? >> good point there, raf. josh, from talk to action, the white house now announced they will expel certain russian banks from swift, a network that enables thanks to communicate. the washington post calls swift the backlog of international finance. how does impact russia, and the
rest of the world? >> well, the goal over here is to not only deny russia some of the funds, that leads to carry out this expensive military campaign in ukraine, but also to make sure the president putin and those around him feel the economic pinch, to really put the squeeze on russia to make sure that it faces consequences, and hopefully to deter further aggression in ukraine. there has been a lot of skepticism about whether the u.s. and europe would actually be able to take steps as significant as cutting off the major russian banks from this international messaging system, ending the nord stream 2 pipeline, sanctioning putin himself, a significant step that the u.s. and some of these european countries, germany, italy in particular, have been fairly reluctant to take. in part because of the risk of spillover effect for these kinds of sanctions and penalties, not only to average
russian citizens who are not playing a role in this conflict, but also to other european economies that are so dependent on russian energy. now, there are some carve outs in what the u.s. and europe is now doing to make sure that russia is still able to sell some of its natural gas that is so needed in europe. but, dramatic new steps from the u.s. and europe that are going to, according to u.s. officials, cause serious problems for the russian economy, for its currency and make it more difficult for president putin to continue with this campaign, lindsey. >> raf sanchez and josh lederman, thank you both so much for joining us, updating us. for more on all of this, we will now turn to retired colonel jack jacobs, and also executive editor of new yorker.com david rohde. good morning to both of you, thanks for being with us. colonel, i know that you have been up all night. what do you make of zelenskyy rejecting putin's offer to hold talks in belarus?
is this all a charade on russia's part? >> yes, i think it is the latter. it is all a charade on russia's part. they have the upper hand, militarily. the entire ukrainian army is as big as the invasion force, the russians are very well equipped. they have already taken some cities. their plan is to bifurcate the country, have forces from the north joint up with their forces from the south, isolate the ukrainian army between that line and the east, and then defeat them in detail. but before they do that, they have to take the cities. now, my thought on the cities, it is very, very difficult. but at the end of the day, molotov cocktails are not going to be able to defeat the russian armor. putin knows this, so he will persist, he will persevere. he knows what his objective is.
unfortunately, that is to take over all of ukraine. it is heartbreaking to watch what is happening to ukraine, the ukrainian people. but there is not much that is going to be able to stop this invasion, unfortunately, unless putin changes his mind, and it does not seem like he is going to, lindsey. >> colonel, that said, even though we have been given good news, the fact that the ukrainian resistance has been able to hold off some russian troops from kyiv, are you essentially saying that you believe a takeover is inevitable, and or imminent? >> yes, unless we think that putin is going to have a change of heart and decide he's not going to do it. he has been planning this for a long time. do not forget, he originally came to power in 1999. he has been planning this for a long time. also, we should not forget that russia invaded ukraine and took over crimea eight years ago. and there was no deleterious effect from the west.
he has been involved to do what he is doing now, and it is difficult to envision a circumstance under which he is going to desist doing it, lindsey. >> david, the u.s., canada, eu, cut russia off from the swift financial network. they call this a financial nuclear weapon. what exactly does this mean for people who are not up on their knowledge of swift? what impact will it have? on>> so, swift is a worldwide system, about 11,000 banks participate in it. it was created to replace tell x way back in 1973. doing this prevents russian bank, certain russian banks from being able to dispute basic transactions, you know, from various journalists, like an msnbc journalist who says her hotel in moscow will not pay their bill. yes, like raf. also, sanctions on the russian bank, which is more of a powerful tool. i agree with the colonel. this will not stop putin.
this will not change his calculus. i do think that it is going slower than he believed. i think that taking kyiv will be very protracted, very bloody. it is a city of 3 million people, that is the size of chicago. so you are thinking, block to block's fighting in a city the size of chicago, with tanks leading the way. i think overall, war has not gone as putin suggested. a lot of these, this powerful imagery, in the digital age, it is rallying public support in europe for these tougher financial sanctions, and these images of civilians, zelenskyy sort of out dueling putin in terms of the messaging war. but this will continue. he is not likely to give up, ukrainians are going to die, tragically i believe, in large numbers. >> so colonel, based on what david is saying, even though there are these sanctions, kicking off, what do you make of the unity shown so far from
the u.s. and our allies, in levying these sanctions? >> a little late, i think. you know, our allies in western europe, are already strenuously against economic restrictions on russia. even after the invasion started. and that is principally because, they are heavily dependent on russian trade, particularly germany and italy, dependent on russian energy. and they employed us not to make it difficult for the russian economy, because it would be difficult for them as well. i think the images that david rohde is talking about had a big impact on their decision to change their mind on that, and support our view that we needed to take them off of the swift system. but there is a cogent argument that says that a, it should have been taken off long before this, and be, that it should be now, much more widespread.
if that happens, it will have a deleterious effect, as we discussed, on the russian economy. but it might not be as effective, it will be effective over the longer term, but i'm afraid, not before putin is going to take over ukraine, lindsey. >> david, talking about that imagery that we have been seeing, do you think putin could be making a fatal mistake over here, if he wants to maintain power, when we know upwards of 3000 citizens have already been arrested for their protest on this occasion? >> i don't see a short term how it will remove him from power. i see a long term isolation, i see this urban middle class, a critical part of the russian economy, protesting. but also, eventually leaving the country. i think that this is a strategic, long term mistake by putin. it is not as easy as he expected it to be. but the critical thing is of the u.s. and europe remain
united, and they suffer the economic pain, particularly europe, that is going to come from keeping the pressure on putin, isolating him, no flights from russia. the world cup being pulled back from russia. banning, i believe, russians from participating in the song contest, eurovision. that sounds funny, but he has to remain an international pariah. and the russian middle class, in particular the oligarchy, they have to suffer. i do think that this is a mistake. it is weakening him. it is not going as the expected. he is losing the information war. but he will prevail, and he's going to kill large number of ukrainian civilians, sadly, he is. >> david rohde and colonel jack jacobs, we appreciate both of your time, thank you so much. >> our breaking news coverage continues, with the russian siege on kyiv. i will speak with ukrainian journalist on the front lines of the fight for the country's capital. and, bottleneck on the border.
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crisis in ukraine. appears battle is underway near kyiv as ukrainian forces continue to resist russian attempts to gain control of the capitol. i want to show you some images of the aftermath of the explosion on the outskirts. according to kyiv city administration, it destroyed seven cars and damage to nearby apartment building. no reports on the injury so far. joining me from kyiv, is veronica. pharaonic a, you'll have to tell me if you got your last name right. executive director of the -- ukraine. thank you for being here. you are in kyiv, things are dangerous here. growing more dangerous by the
hour. we're hearing that you're hearing shelling in your neighborhood? what's going on? >> this is the neighborhood you previously showed in your video. yes, it was my neighborhood. i am down in my corridor, which is the safest place in my apartment with no windows. i am very angry. because i have not been -- i've had two hours of sleep a day already. because it is impossible to sleep when shelling usually starts at two, 3 am at night. yesterday, putin said that he stopped his army to give ukrainians time to prepare for negotiations? it was not true. this, putin's alternative reality is making all of us so angry. he is basically, right now,
doing the genocide of a nation. he said that -- they said that putin made a very good choice, it was a very good choice. he said that there will be no more ukraine as anti russia. what is this? basically, he has been trying to attack us on all fronts. ordinarily, ukrainians like me and my husband, we are trying to help our army right now. by checking this marks that russian saboteurs are leaning on our apartment buildings. it looks like across, the red cross or some kind of b or c. and you have to paint them down. because these are the marks that are used for the artillery
fire. so we are doing that. >> so you're saying right now, russian troops are putting marks on your building to essentially say, this building needs to go down. and you're trying to cover those marks? >> yes. it is not russian troops, just regular troops. but it is russian sabotage our groups. so basically, what they did, they prepared this operation against ukraine alone. they send these agents, which are usually young man. they move to ukraine a couple of months ago. and they have been living here in apartments, rented apartments. and now they are all on the streets of kyiv. launching saboteur attacks against the infrastructure. for example, yesterday night,
such marks were left on the -- . it is a child's hospital. where usually children with cancer are treated. and such a mark attracted a fire. which killed one trialed, and wounded for people. gore not children, but hospital staff. >> and veronica, clearly you're doing your job as a journalist, and europe dating the world and what's happening. but that said, why stay? have you had any inclination to try to get to safety? >> why leave? it is my country! if putin attacked america, where would you live? this is nonsense for me! i don't want to be an unwanted migrant who escaped from her own country. i want the world to stop
thinking about their own pockets, a bit. it is not the same as we are experiencing now. higher prices and energy, it's not the same. at all. united states or qatar can offer more gas, and more oil to those european countries and the u.s., who does not want to cut russia from swift. i do not understand this world. are we not in their? are we not a country on another planet? putin is allowed to invade, with no actual consequences for him and his gang? >> veronica, i just want to give you the final world on what you want people to now. >> we are all angry, understand that.
apparently, people are very supportive right now! we are very happy for that. that people will support us. here, you heard that? >> i just heard that. >> it's a whole day, right now. i do not know how you can all support, and sent prayers, but your leaders do not lower their appetites for russian money. find alternatives, where to find gas. there is war right now! you still have a lot of time to find alternative energy resources, as well with the whole climate change fight. that is going on. >> we heard the boom in the blast over you. we hope you and your families say safe and we so appreciate you coming on the talk of us about what's going on. thank you. >> by. >> the russian assault on
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invasion invasion right now in in ukraine, ukraine, particularly particularly in the in the area area around around chernobyl chernobyl spark spark another disaster? we know this is one of the another disaster? >> we know this is first areas that russian one of the troops first areas that russian targeted. troops and we want targeted. we to take a look at wanted to take a look exactly what could at exactly what could happen over, happen here, given given boots on the boots on the ground, ground given, given readings in the readings area that show in the area radiation levels that showed are a little bit higher. i want to go ahead revelations. and welcoming gregory jack so, former chair of the u.s. nuclear regulatory commission. from 2009, to 2012. gregory, thanks for being with us. >> well, thank you, lindsey. glad to be here. >> what are your biggest concerns, based on what we know so far?
we know the area is still under dispute as far as who is controlling it. but based on what we know right, now with the limited information we have, what are your biggest concerns? >> well, when you talk about the chernobyl state itself, there are a number of radiation sources there and you have the former reactor, for former reactors. yet one with a significant action, and that reactor is extremely important. but a damaged reactor, it does not take a lot of effort to do that right now, it is mostly at passive activity. so it is certainly my concern, because we don't know exactly how the condition of the people who are monitoring that facility, and the condition around it. outside of the reactor there, is an exclusion zone, which contains radioactive material from the accident itself. there have been reports of higher radiation levels because
of troop movement, other movements through that exclusion zone. but those radiation levels are not terribly significant, if individuals were to stay in that area even for a year or so, they could get more than you might get from a ct scan, multiple cte scans. the real concern is the operative reactors throughout the rest of the country. those reactors are critical pieces of infrastructure, so they certainly have strategic value for the russian invaders as well as obviously the ukraine, ukrainian forces to maintain their electricity supply. those reactors provide a very significant portion of electricity for the country. and that of course is a vital piece of infrastructure. so if those reactors were to be damaged, certainly they would have trouble with with their electricity supplies. but also, that could lead to a more significant type of release of radiation. >> do you fear because of their importance, that they are a target?
>> you know, i think they would be targeted, that's the question. it appears right now that is not the case. as the invasion goes on, there's a risk about this becoming greater. it is also possible, they might be damage, not through direct attack but through indirect attack, through an accident, a stray rocket or missile fire could cause damage. the other concern is they might not even be targeted, reduced or damaged. you could potentially have challenges from those reaction. because all of those power plants depend on electricity to keep their safety systems running. it's almost counter intuitively coming from outside of the plant itself. so, the bulk of the electricity system in ukraine, or aid to be damaged, then you could potentially see challenges at those plans, as they go to their secondary sources of
electricity supplies, and that is not the ideal situation. of course, all of this is happening during a war, that makes even more challenging. >> does this also point to how reckless putin's? the fact that, and yes, maybe the radiation levels are not enough for a severe alarm yet, but the fact that he is sending his own troops in their, and this impacts not only ukraine, not only yet russia, but europe and the world? >> yes. it really is confusing to me why anyone would have sent troops into the chernobyl zone, other than to simply pass through that area. but to fight over the plant, it is a radioactive waste dump, essentially, to put it starkly. so the fact that they would have a firefight in that particular region, raises concern in my mind about what their plans are. because again, it is not a
sight that in and of itself has particular values, because they're not just our operating, it is just a place where you need to essentially maintain radioactive waste. so that i think is really the head-scratcher for me. and then it raises concerns of course, if you're trying to have a firefighter, where else would you be willing to go? that raises the spectrum, of some sort of firefight, the operative reactors. and those reactors, many of which are more centrally located in ukraine, that would most likely impact, or significantly, ukraine. chernobyl is very close to the border with belarus. so you know, if there were incidents there, any kind of radiation release would impact belarus, and other parts of the region outside of the -- ukraine. so the operating plant, certainly in that regard would
be more likely to impact ukraine directly. and so perhaps, the risks are not as great for russia, damage to those reactors. >> doctor gregory jaczko, we will have to leave it there. thank you so much for your time. as the russian siege on ukraine interstate four, more praise for putin from donald trump. how president biden is reacting to his predecessors controversial comments. to his predecessor controversial comments
>> we are hearing from former president donald trump -- again -- in response to the former tracy queen, speaking at the cpac gathering in florida last night, he once again praised vladimir putin. but he did criticize his decision to invade its neighbor. he also bashed president biden's handling of the crisis claiming, it would not have happened if he were in charge. >> as everyone understands this horrific disaster would never have happened if our election was not rigged, and if i were the president. the problem is not that putin is smart, which of course he is smart, the real problem is that our leaders are dumb. don. so don. so far they allowed him to get away with this travesty and assault on humanity. >> of course, we have to say
there was no fraud, there was no rigged election. it comes with marjorie taylor greene also start new controversy after appearing at a conference with white nationalist themes in florida, where the crowd, led by one of the speakers cheered for putin. when pressed about it, she tried to distance herself. >> i do not know nick point is, never heard him speak, never have seen a video. i do not know what his views are so i am not in line with anything that might be controversial. >> it's a white nationalist group. >> excuse me a minute, i will tell you exactly why i went, i want to talk with him about america first policies. >> with me to discuss right now is democratic strategist jonathan kott, also with me, who is laughing, tropical singleton, political consultant and contributor to the boston globe, has a lot to say. jonathan, we will first go to you because i want to talk about trump's remarks first and president biden, when he reacted, basically calling to trump, calling putin savvy and the genius, in this radio interview. let's listen to a biden said.
>> i put as much stock in trump saying that, putin is a genius, as i do when he called himself a stable genius. >> so, such is trump. it is a lot of people, former secretary of state mike pompeo calling putin shrewd, that is one example. jonathan, what is going on? is there any reason to believe that somehow, this could help republicans politically? >> i do not see how praising putin will help republicans politically. i don't understand the tack on that. i think it's another attempt to make with donald trump feel better about some ridiculous comments he has made, and horrible policies he had when he was president for the republican party, they want to continuously look back at the lies he has been telling, it's felt policies, and more on that, because they were too afraid to push off against him and say, he is wrong, he is bad for the country. they will have to deal with that. it is shocking to me that we had this former president out there praising a ruthless
dictator, and donald trump broke a lot of norms, that's when the biggest ones he is broken and it's hurtful to the country so does not help the political discourse at all. so i'm glad i had to struggle to find clips from donald trump's speeches, and it was not covered wall-to-wall live like it has in the past. i think that is a good sign. >> for michael, i know you have a lot to say on this, you have been vocal on twitter about this as well. we have to city lawmakers in addition to trump, we get marjorie taylor greene, paul gosar participating of this event with white nationalist themes. one of the speakers in the crowd praised putin? >> yes. lindsey, look. they invited members of congress, members of the republican party, and they knew they would be likely to attend. i think even members who support trump would have given a no answer to that request to speak at that event. but i am not surprised, paul gosar, i am not a fan of his,
never been a fan of his. when we think of marjorie taylor greene, in many ways, she has been ostracized, even by the republican leadership in the minority. for example, kevin mccarthy, spoke very tacitly in the past. you do realize something, lindsey. they have not really given her any credibility in the party. so those two figures are on an island, i would argue, alone and by themselves. i think once the party regains control in the house, i don't think we have it in any capacity. jonathan, president biden has one of the toughest parts of his presidency got coming up. he's dealing with the war in europe, he has the supreme court candidate reported -- dealing with covid restrictions, devastation under control, state of the union addresses tuesday, how can he raise his voice above all this noise? >> i think the state of the union is a perfect opportunity. he speaks to the american people. there is nobody better than speaking to the aide merrick
and people about what he's gonna do to make his lives better. this is why they elected him. because we knew that a world was a tough police to govern. we knew that america was a very tough place to govern, but we knew that he was up to the challenge. he had the experience. and he could actually handle a couple crises at a time. unlike the previous president who lied about them, or deflected them. he is taking this hat on. he is actually addressing people in the right way. he is talking to the american people about what is happening in the ukraine. he is telling us why we are going there. he is working on all these issues at the same time. i think the state of the union is a perfect time for him to get up, speak directly to the people, and tell them what he's done in the last year to make our lives better. he has done a lot. and he will have a lot to celebrate. but he will also be real and sober with the american people, and tell us the challenges we face. and how he's going to address them. i think this is the perfect opportunity to do it.
i'm glad there is going to be a full house at the state of the union. and i hope hundreds of millions of americans watch. >> jonathan kott, and -- thank you so much. still to come, the flight on the fried fines. social media cyst on the front lines of russian disinformation. on the front lines of russian disinformation
as the world watches in horror, of russians invasion of ukraine, millions of people are following it on social media. but you can always trust with pops up in your news feed. -- has advice on sorting out fact from fiction. >> the way we observe war is forever changed. as the invasion of ukraine unfolds on social media, we are watching in realtime. in the palm of our hands, from credible resources. >> this does not have a bomb shelter. >> for harrowing individual stories. but what you see is not always wet it seems. >> there is a ton of
misinformation and disinformation on their. specifically on tiktok. the worry is, of course that the good stuff is me going with the bad stuff. >> some people are -- for likes and chairs, and make a profit. what may be a viral video may have nothing to do with the invasion. like this viral tiktok posted hours after the invasion began. it now has more than 20 million views, shared on instagram seven years ago. experts say that users should also be prepared for an onslaught of disinformation from russian leaders and state back media. >> the point is always propaganda and disinformation. it isn't to overwhelm it to make sure that that's all you see. it's a doubt in your head to know who the good guy and bad guy is. >> they say they are taking action on the problem that dates back to 2016. meta, the ruler of facebook in instagram, says it's revising its standards.
tiktok is using increased resources to remove harmful misinformation. >> what is the most important thing to watch out for? >> the number one thing i can watch -- ask any buddy to do is click on the profile and see what's going on there. if it looks too good to be true, extremely sensational, just do a little bit more due diligence. that is the difference here. the difference between everybody taking something at face value, is everyone coming together and not sharing the bad stuff. >> battling disinformation so the truth is what trends. jolene can't, nbc news, los angeles. >> it continues with the growing humanitarian crisis. where tens of thousands of refugees are trying to escape the russian assault. refugees are trying to escap
fears are turning to reality this morning, russians invasion of ukraine is triggering a refugee crisis. the un estimates that more than 368,000 people have already fled the country so far, nearly doubling after 24 hours. the lines are so long at poland's border it's peaking some families more than 24 hours to get across. nbc's alison barber is in poland with more. >> lindsey, this is the border with ukraine. if you look over here, you can see a bus that has just made its way across, into poland. people, many of them women and
children, unloading on the bus. a lot of the people they see standing on the bus in the grass area. some of them holding signs. those are people who are either here, offering strangers rides, or people coming to pick up friends and loved ones, and friends of friends. if you look further back, you can see a line of cars here forming between the checkpoint in poland, and also the ukrainian checkpoint. if you look further back, there is also a yellow bridge. that is the ukrainian checkpoint. speaking with people here, people who have been waiting for their loved ones. some of them have been waiting for days. we spoke to one man who said his family is trying to get through this checkpoint waiting in their car for about 36 hours. another woman who is here, was to pick up acquaintances, children. to pick up a two year old in a one year old. he said he asked her to pick up his children and his wife so he could go back into ukraine and fight. listen to what that woman told
us. >> i hope they would finish with this soon. i hope. i really. we cannot fight back. poland are suffering. we are the last country for the union of europe, and nato. so everything can happen in our country. >> the un has said at least 150,000 people have left ukraine. here in poland, the government has said they think at least 100,000 people have come into poland. this checkpoint alone, the team is speaking with officers working here. they said just yesterday they saw that 75,000 people come through this checkpoint. this is one of eight designated checkpoints in poland. this is somewhat unique. they only allow vehicle traffic through here. but other ones, they have seen even more people distant from the images that we see. they have foot traffic coming through, as well -- as. the un has said if the un
situation continues to escalate, there could be potential for 4 million refugees. lindsey? >> alison, thank you. 4 million refugees lindsey? >> >> ukrainian officials say this was the scene shortly after an explosion in the capital city. just hours ago, ukrainian president zelenskyy, telling the world, everything is under attack, every day. russia, making an offer demean for negotiations in belarus, a country that russia is using to invade ukraine. zelenskyy saying, he is willing to meet somewhere else. in russia, putin addresses people, thanking his special forces for fulfilling their so-called heroic duty in ukraine. also breaking right now, fighting skills into the streets of ukraine's second largest city. officials say russian troops have made their way into kharkiv. across agreement, citizens are deciding whether to take up
arms gets the evading troops, video in the last 15 minutes just people in kyiv making molotov cocktails on the street. back here at home, the first primary in the 2022 election, just two days away, how a restrictive voting law has already made a big difference in tuesday's races in texas. welcome, everybody, into another hour of msnbc reports, and our special coverage of the russian invasion of ukraine. i'm lindsay riser, following the latest from ukraine to poland, to belgium, texas. breaking this morning, russian forces have now entered ukraine 's second largest city of kharkiv. they are still trying to overtake the capital of kyiv. flames lit up the night sky there on the outskirts of kyiv, you see, and ukrainian forces and newly recruited volunteers appear to be holding back russian troops for now. president zelenskyy, urging ukrainians to keep fighting, also denying russian reports that he called on his forces to lay down their arms.
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