tv The Reid Out MSNBC March 1, 2022 4:00pm-5:00pm PST
good evening, everyone. we begin "the reidout" with a stark contrast in leadership. in just two hours, president joe biden will deliver his first state of the union address as he faces major challenges here at home and a world transformed by war. as ukrainians face down vladimir putin's naked aggression, according to excerpts released by the white house, biden will tell the country putin's war was premeditated unprovoked. he thought the west and nato wouldn't respond and he thought he could divide us at home. putin was wrong. we were ready. and look, let's just give biden his credit. what he has done so far is remarkable. not only using his experience and long-time relationships on the world stage to unify the west against russia's aggression, but also
reinvigorating nato and bringing to bear unprecedented sanctions. and what amounts to a photo negative of the runup to the iraq war, biden made the strategic choice to put it out there releasing highly accurate u.s. intelligence to publicly reveal all of putin's intentions and before, and now during the invasion. in doing so, biden has fully and posed vladimir putin for what he is. a brutal and maybe even mental dictator who is incompatible with the free world and a republican president would have received immense credit including in the press for what biden has accomplished. meanwhile, the russian president is not only an international pariah but increasingly isolated, having badly under estimated ukraine's determination and discounting the possibility of a unified tough response from the west. nbc news learned u.s. intelligence agencies determined putin is increasingly frustrated
by his military struggles and he may see his only option as doubling down on violence as well as lashing out at under links and the worldwide condemnation of his actions. tough sanctions left russia's economy and the ruble in free fall with banks at risk of failure as russian citizens try to withdrawal their savings. russia's stock market remains closed for the week. the russian dictator badly miscalculate his ukrainian counterpart volodymyr zelenskyy that made an emotional speech from his homeland. he said ukrainians will not be broken and accused putin of war crimes. >> we have a desire to see our children alive. i think it's a fair one. yesterday, 16 children were killed.
again and again president putin is going to say that is some kind of operation with military infrastructure. what kind of military factors do they work at? what tanks are they going with or launching cruise missiles. >> zelenskyy received a standing ovation from the parliament that overwhelmingly approved a resolution in support of ukraine. zelenskyy spoke with president biden today and discussed russia's escalation of attacks on sites used by civilians in ukraine. zelenskyy toldrouters they must stop bombing. we're seeing an apparent either scorched campaign trying to regain the momentum he's lost facing humiliation on the battle field. he's escalating
shelling neighbor hooves. kharkiv had boar the blunt of attacks. they are using cluster bombs to pose risk than precision guided missiles. in the first five days russian forces killed 136 ukrainian civilians and that number is expected to rise sharply. that includes 13 children. one of whom was a 6-year-old who succumb to injuries of russian shelling sad on the southern city. and now before i proceed, i'll warn you that the video you're about to see is graphic and extremely difficult to watch so in this terrifying scene, medics worked tirelessly to save the injured child but were unsuccessful. they tried to revive her, the doctor addressed the camera angrily saying show this to putin. show him the eyes of this child and crying doctors.
tragic scenes like that one are unfolding across ukraine right now. but despite being out numbered and out gunned, the ukrainian people demonstrated uncandid resolve and resilience. we've seen them throw themselves in front of tanks to stop their advance and seen them taking up arms and stockpiling molotov cocktails to rage a gorilla war and ridiculed the invaders to their faces. another video that went viral on social media late last week appears to show a woman confronting a russian soldier and while nbc news can't confirm when and where this took place, the woman told the soldiers to take seeds so sunflowers will grow when you die here. ukraine's ministry of internal affairs has also been repeating interviews with captured russian soliders, many of whom believe they were participaing in military drills, not active combat. in other words, it appears putin
under estimated ukraine resistance but over estimated his military's capability. the russian ground forces that is stalled outside of kyiv is estimated to be 40 miles long. if that convoy is allowed to reach kyiv, putin could open a new barbaric phase of the war. nbc news keir simmons in moscow. i am going to start with you, cal. give us a sense what is going on on the ground because the sense i got over the past five days, the resistance is stronger and morefective as anyone thought i could be and certainly as putin thought it could be and the russian forces have been much more ineffective and in some cases not aware of what they were really getting themselves into. what are you seeing? >> reporter: yeah, i think that's certainly the message that the ukrainians are putting out. look, it was last week late we
heard about russian soldiers surrendering not knowing what they were doing, thinking they were there for exercise. for four or five days i would turn on the television and it would be a parade of one young russian soldier after another being interviewed but ukrainian soldiers, which is the same variation. a young suggestion soldier saying i don't know what i'm doing here. i want to be going home. i didn't understand why i was sent here and then today as you said, we had this missile strike on ukraiian television, the transmission tower so all night ukrainian television has been knocked off the air. surprising this is happening on day six. the war games were the communication systems would be taken out immediately. it's important because we've seen the rise of volodymyr zelenskyy, the rise of this ukrainian leader who uses not only social media but tv to get to the public. where i am in the west, there is
a catastrophe unfolding. when you see the faces of the folks when they get off the train in the far west of the country, 350 miles from where the violence is, they're scared. they are terrified and they don't know where to go because in many cases, this is nowhere to go so people are starting to sleep outside. the red cross is here. those numbers are swelling. this city is swelling and for the first time in the week i've been here, you can see it. this war is reaching individual people. it's no longer reaching everybody as a whole in the country, every single person in this country is being affected from the fathers and brothers who are between 18 and 60 and can't leave and take their families to the border and leave them walking across the border and headed back to the fight to the volunteers making the molotov cocktails to send to the front. everybody in this country is now engaged in this war. >> it is remarkable. absolutely remarkable.
i want to go to you, keir. it seems putin under estimated the west and americans and clearly under estimated this young president in ukraine. is there any sense that there is anyone around him that is attempting to feed reality to him or should we expect that he doubles down and things just get worse and more violent? >> reporter: one thing, joy, we have to turn to a phrase from a previous european war in another era and that is no plan survives first contact with the enemy. what that means is that we are only in the first few days, the russians will be rethinking. they may well be and we're seeing this planning to get bloodier and bloodier to win. i think in terms of whether or not there is leadership here from moscow, well, that convoy that we've seen heading towards kyiv, i think that tells us two things. firstly, it is astonishing that
there is no camouflage. it looks disorganized. it doesn't reflect well on the russian organization and tells us something about the ability of the ukrainians to fight back. they don't have the air power to attack that convoy. now, looks like even back in 2014, the russians have had trouble with organization with their command structure and it may be that that is why president putin is getting so angry because this should have been fixed and it wasn't fixed. perhaps we have to turn to another phrase from another european war, the first world war and that is lions led by donkeys because you know, joy, this idea that we have had about president putin is clear eyed tactician, this terrifying leader. well, we may be beginning get a different picture there. one more thing, joy, as we prepare to listen to president biden talk to the congress, to the american people to the world, what we're seeing is
president putin trying to close down the ability of his people to hear what is really happening in ukraine. he's closed down the radio echo moscow radio station that was an independent station. you can hear it still online but not on air and the russian prosecutor according to the wikipedia page is threatening them. >> good luck with that. people will find a way to get information. i don't think he can cover up this failure by trying to block the press. thank you both very much. let's stay safe. let turn to john brennan who is a national intelligence analyst and historian and phd student at the university of pennsylvania, department of history. everything about this as think about it. it is literally the inverse of the iraq war. it is clear they were not going
to be greeted as liberators. our intelligence was pristine and seemed to nail it 10 0%. biden chose to release the information that blocked every avenue and tactical avenue putin could have tried. the failure was almost baked in because this man didn't understand the people of ukraine, they wanted nothing to do with his country. it was failure, failure. i can't look past the fact that the american president seemed to understand it and did understand europe. just give us your analysis on russia's part and the united states. >> as you mentioned, joy, putin badly, badly under estimated the will of the ukrainian people to resist as well as the capabilities to resist this russian war machine as moving in and the international community's resolve with very,
very stiff economic and other types of sanctions and lend support, intangible support in terms of weapons and other things flowing into ukraine to resist this unjust russian invasion. and so therefore, i give the u.s. intelligence community a lot of credit carely with president biden said over a week ago, which was he was confident that russia was going to invade and so therefore, i think it reflects that putin has had a distorted prism of ukraine as well as of the world as a result of his increasing isolation brought on by not just covid but also his increasing complex he has. he believes he's invincible. i must say as i look at what is happening in ukraine, there is no exit ramp for putin. he realizes he's gotten himself into a debacle so the question is whether or not the russian military and russian higher arkry are going to stand to
putin's war. >> to stay with you john brennan. if putin escalates and just unleashes absolute violent hell on ukraine, it makes it more impossible to hold that country. everyone there will despise him. the resistance will be endless. the insurgency will be endless and these are people that have access to outside information. they can get their perils out to the world. they have unanimous global support. it seems that getting in deeper and making his troops essentially kill potential family members and cousins, that seems insane to be honest. is that even possible that he's lost his tether enough to try it? >> well, i think now for him is the question of survival and unfortunately, i think he's going to be increasingly desperate and will reach for desperate options. the big question in my mind is whether or not other russians are going to allow him to control their faith and to destroy ukraine and to bring
down this tremendous, tremendous tragedy upon the ukrainian people and so therefore, i am very worried right now because i think as it was said earlier, we're really in uncharted waters and putin sees the corners are closing in on him. both internationally, inside of ukraine, as well but also i think the political recommendations at home in moscow are going to start to increasingly put pressure upon him. >> let me go to you kimberly. the situation in the world -- the pressure is on all western nations to stand vigorously behind the ukrainians. you saw some of that tension play out in great britain today when a ukrainian journalist confronted boris johnson but there is also these potentials for frablg tour fractures, tryi into the fractures, racial fractures around the world. there are reports of africans, of african students particularly
medical students and others in ukraine studying and also, you know, just non-ukrainians from around the world to study in ukraine, not being able to get out. we're showing some of those pictures right now. and it's created an opportunity for disinformation and for fracturing the united support that there has been for the ukrainian effort. what do you make of the potential for that to become a problem? we don't know who is doing the denying. >> it's a really good point and we're seeing the fracturing across social media where people say ukraine is racist so why are we supporting them or ukraine is a white country, this is a white problem. that fundamentally misunderstands the ukraine history. these african students are residents of ukraine. there are indian residents of ukraine. ukraine is a multi cultural, multi ethnic country and we have
to keep that at the forefront. the videos of the border are horrifying but we should focus on there is a lot of people on the ground helping, a lot of people including myself are marshalling connections on the ground to help the students get through to safety and many of them are getting through to safety. we have to be very careful how we frame this question but also to the extent we allow our emotions to drive our responses. the best thing to do is try to navigate this as well as we can and provide resources because russia will take advantage of this and use it as disinformation as we have seen with the george floyd protest in 2020 and the 2016 election. >> and, you know, it's important because we've been talking about this in the meetings on the show. i said i want to hear from the african union. i want to hear from specific countries that have students and folks out there listen to official information that's coming from these nations, not to somebody with lots of numbers after their title on twitter, because that's not the best source of information.
for your understanding of the way this played out, if there is an insurgency in your view in ukraine, my sense just as a civilian not knowing anything about this is it would be long and bloody. these people are never going to submit to vladimir putin. how dangerous does that make this on going situation? >> you're right on both counts and as i've said, as a historian of ukraine in the soviet union, putin will not control ukraine until the last ukrainian has taken their last breath. we'll see a long drawn out struggle and i've said before in other interviews, that means our ethnic minorities are an increased threat. we have not seen anything about the russian behavior that makes us think they'll be nice. so i would think that we need to kind of garner our resources but also and i've been saying this on social media, if you're an african or indian or row ma
resident of ukraine, the best thing to do right now is stay put and try not to cross now. this is a war zone and it's only going to get worse. >> absolutely. anything bad that happens to somebody of color at those borders will immediately be picked up by the kremlin and used to try to bolster their utter failure thus far to try to take hold of a country that doesn't want them. john brennan, kimberly st. julian, thank you both very much. we'll have both of you back. >> up next on "the reidout" russia is a pariah state as diplomats walk out on the russian foreign minister as europe signals that tougher sanctions are on the way. plus, members of the trump party are pretending they've been proukraine and tough on russia the whole time when they said the opposite a few days ago. >> biden's enormous challenges abroad and what he's likely to say tonight. complete coverage of biden's
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putin with 140 diplomats walking out of a speech that russia's foreign minister was giving to the united nations human rights counsel an organization anton -- antony blinken argued today russia shouldn't be part of. volodymyr zelenskyy applied to make his country a member of the european union yesterday. today he made an emotional plea to the e.u. parliament. >> can you imagine this morning, two cruise missiles hit this freedom square dozens of killed ones. this is the price of freedom. we are fighting. just for our land. and for our freedom. despite the fact that all large cities of our country are now blocked.
we have proven our strength. we have proven that as at a minimum we are exactly the same as you are so do prove that you are with us. >> the parliament members gave president zelenskyy a standing ovation after the stirring address for which his interpreter got so choked him, he had to steal himself to continue translating. i'm joined by a member of the house armed services and foreign affairs committees and an air force veteran and i will add somebody whose father was born, i have here on my notes to jewish parents in ukraine. you're tweeting today about the strike that damaged a holocaust memorial in kyiv tower where the nazis executed more than 33,000 people. if i could indulge and ask you to share as you did in your tweets how this feels for you as somebody with family roots in that country and as a member of our united states military to see the resistance that the ukrainians are putting up.
>> sure. and my father was born in lviv, a town part of ukraine but actually, when he was born there, it was a town part of poland so this is part of the history of this part of the world that every generation or so, sadly, different autocrats go over these people so you can understand why they are hardened people and defiant. i'm enormously proud of my heritage and devastated to see history repeating itself literally and very much thinking about the people of whom i was with a few weeks ago in freedom square i stood at freedom square about three and a half weeks ago and now people have shed blood there. >> my colleague keir simmons brought us back the quote no war plan survives first contact with
the enemy. what do you make of the seeming lack of preparation by the russian forces, some of whom didn't know they were going into an actual war and not war games and the performance of basically non-military people, just civilians in ukraine to stand up to them? >> so i'm remembering back to when i was in ukraine a few weeks ago and able to sit with a young woman who took us, our congressional delegation to dinner and ordered a bunch of different delicious ukrainian dishes and after that we went out with a bunch of her friends and talked about how they would stand and fight and i pasted that off as bravado and now i understand and am thinking of them, hoping they're okay and alive and fighting. and i think that that is where my heart is right now is hoping that's the case. in terms of the preparation of the military, the russian military, we should not under estimate the russian military. there are many, many of them and
they far out number in terms of resources, the ukrainian people. we should not under estimate putin's ability to reek havoc on the people of ukraine with -- as we've seen, weapons that are arguably weapons of destruction that are not allowed to be leveed on civilians. so please don't under estimate him. please let's not take joy in the fact that he's seemingly stalled out because all it takes is a good day and we have to continue to have strong days, the ukrainian people and allies. >> absolutely. in our own experience, we know as a far superior military we have insurgency is a hell of a thing and you can't always out last that. let's talk about some -- i know you-all are getting classified briefings, the house and senate. don't disclose anything in that. can you give us a sense of, you know, so far the u.s. intelligence community is quite spot on about what they've seen coming. is there a sense you're getting
out of the briefings of whether or not people believe we're in for a prolonged insurgency or something that could be extremely violent but limited in duration? >> so, i think we need to be planning for all of those things for the option and contingencies. the speculation is we should be gearing up for the congress and this administration and our nation should be gearing up for a longer insurgency and kind of getting our brains around what that means to be supportive and engaged. if this is going to require the american people to understand why this matters and also possibly going to require the american people sacrifice. we may see increases in gas prices if we haven't already, we may see increases in food prices but we are part of this war. we can do our part by understanding that that's our contribution as well we can do our part by taking care of things like cybersecurity and makingltaatet --
attentive to that. >> why is it important? we're seeing monaco cut itself financially cutting off access to russia's money and seeing europe go through sanctions on the oil and gas, which they desperately need. they actually depend on russian oil and gas. they're making that economic sacrifice, which is significant. why should americans understand that we might need to do it too or maybe i don't know, get off oil and gas and maybe turn to other resources so that we're not depending on it. why should americans be willing to do that? >> we see finland, germany, switzerland, all the people, students of history that have arguably not participated in the way that they are currently participating demonstrating to us the importance of this very important country, ukraine and that they are very much the tip of the democratic spear. if we hope to have democracy thrive in the european continent in our continent and the world in general, we have to
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okay. so back in 2016, a very weird thing happened. okay, let's be honest, a lot of weird things happened but one was the trump campaign led by paul manafort trump put in charge showing up at the national convention and demanding the platform committee gut the republican party's anti russia stance on ukraine but eliminating references to arming that country and its on going conflict with russia. and even weirder, if that was the only change the trump campaign made to the republican platform, again, weird. and also controversial. people scratch their heads at that but then everyone put it away. once trump was the official nominee, he would go on to declare nato is obsolete and it was a political game and would take up weirdly putinish positions. fast forward to today, anti democracy at home and more at
war with president biden than any foreign dictator. even republicans that at the -- declare themselves to be proukraine, can't condemn trump by name or even worse, two elected republican trolls, paul -- paul gosar and marjorie taylor greene praised putin for invading ukraine. take a look. >> can we give a round of applause for russia? yes. >> putin! putin! putin! >> absolutely. absolutely. >> now, those chants happened in the united states, not moscow. in orlando, florida to be exact. while others chose to air their putin appreciation on national television and at cpac. >> why can't you condemn donald trump for those comments?
>> george, if you want to know what donald trump thinks about vladimir putin or any other topic, i'd encourage you to invade him on your show. >> might be worth asking yourself since it's getting serious, why is this about? why do i hate putin so much? has putin ever called me a racist? >> the problem is not that putin is smart, which of course he's smart but the real problem is that our leaders are dumb. dumb. so dumb. >> joining me now is steve schmidt. i'll start by saying wherever you are, steve, i demand you invite me because i want to be there. secondly, let get into this a bit. i do -- i've said this before on stephen colbert's show, the one thing donald trump brought to the republican party is he took this regan party that was very much steeped in the anti commune
-- anti communism and turned it into a party where there is a plurality, more proputin, they prefer putin to the american president to joe biden. fiona hill wrote the following on trump softening the republican party. she wrote at home trump softened republicans. the leading fox news hosts and other conservative voices, the ultimate stuges that have russian arguments as armed conflict looms. what happened? >> well, there's always been a strain of the republican party, joy, that's been isolationism. the colonel that ran the chicago tribune hated franklin roosevelt murdoch of his time. he actually published the fact that the united states had broken japanese codes that had allowed us to prevail into decisive battle of midway.
in 1938, you had neo nazis selling out madison square garden filled to the rafters with nazis standing with a george washington banner down madison square garden. look, we always had this in the united states. the strain of republicans that was dominant, the eisenhower strain, the ronald reagan strain represented a continuity, a consensus that stretched from ronald -- that stretched from franklin roosevelt with winston churchill in 1940 through harry truman, through john kennedy, through lyndon johnson, through jimmy carter, barack obama to donald trump who attacks what was the most successful military alliance in world history degrades it and fanaticizes who turns out to be the most
dangerous person in the world, vladimir putin, second most potent nuclear arsenal and one of its largest militaries on this war of aggression against the ukrainian people. so look, that the republican party has abandoned regan is not news here. it's embraced a toxic brand of american isolation that has given aid and comfort to facism before. the name of the program was the american movement. it was comfort. all over the world, here is who stands with putin, cuba, belarus and the american right. >> yeah. >> the trump maga right. they fetishize this man who is a war criminal unleashed chaos in
europe. this is six days in. he has opened a hinge of history that has changed everything as decisively as the berlin wall collapsing in 1989 change for us growing up, the world in an instant. it back on. everything that will come after this is going to be defined by this world changing event that's in its very, very, very early hours. >> you know, what i notable about that, right, donald trump is the one calling vladimir putin a genius. it clear he's the opposite of a genius. this is an absolute, you know, complete screwup in terms of intelligence and understanding who these neighbors of yours are and the way they fight. that's number one. but when somebody like tom cotton is confronted with his -- with the former president's praise of putin who made this
colossal historical error as you described it, he can't name trump. what is he afraid of? he's in arkansas. the likelihood he could be defeated -- he's a right wing candidate in a right wing state but he can't name trump. crist christi tries to stick his chest out and says anybody that praises him is a fool. i've been in a deep dive about some of the strong campaign donations from russian oligarchs. mitch mcconnell, marco rubio's conservative solution pact and rubio says he isn't going to the state of the union because blah, blah, blah, lindsey graham, john kasich. there was all -- is it financial? is it financial? is it ideological? what is it? >> tom cotton volunteered as a harvard graduate.
you can't doubt his physical courage. you can question his moral courage. he gave a political answer. what he's basically saying is hey, why are you asking me about trump, ask me about me. but what he doesn't get here is that trump is the leader of a party has basically said he will be a candidate uncontested, he's the front runner for the republican nomination and he is praising a war criminal as a genius. so this has to be confronted as a moral dimension, right? these republican leaders over these years when we see zelenskyy and the bravery, it really shames the coward of so many in the united states who were terrified of a mean tweet by donald trump but nevertheless, we have in the united states no other way to look at tucker carlson other than as a fifth columnists. any other way to look at him as
the lindburg of our age who three weeks after hitler declared war on the united states gave a speech talking about how the quite should be fighting with hitler. so look, what you have always seen as an i finty on the american far right to look at these far right european dictators and autocrats with blood thirsty ambitions. hitler was called a genius. putin is being hailed as a genius. what he is a war criminal. what he has done is moved the world closer to the abyss and so we're at a very dangerous hour in europe as vladimir putin has kyiv encircled. we'll see millions of refugees. we will see enormous costs and we will see a generation now shaped by the cost of the defense that's required to
protect the democratic west from the aggression of a vladimir putin. >> yeah, the other diagram hear, i'm talking about tucker, as well is this sort of affinity with white nationalism or at least an openness to talk about things like white replacement theory, the fuentes of the world. >> a neo nazi. >> there you go. >> he's a neo nazi. i don't know what the rules are, right? all neo nazis are white supreme cysts. he's specifically one. you have two members of congress with a legitimate neo nazi. >> and a republican leader in the house that won't say a damn thing about it. we're a little bit more than an hour away from what could be the most consequential address of president biden's long political career. stay right there. biden's long political career stay right there when you're dr? does it float off into the clouds? daddy! (frustrated grunts)
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>> in the united states. now, they are doing it by force in ukraine. the symmetry i see it, do you see it? >> totally. and they have done it before, as you well know. thanks to prague in 1960, eight budapest 1956. in the late 1940s, they try to take over western europe. this is something that we have seen. it's a very consistent line. but you know, one thing, could i raise something that maybe a silver lining of all the horrible last week in the brave people of ukraine, maybe it will allow americans to value democracy lull bit more than they did a week ago and see how important this is. and also, be allowed a lot more
suspicious of a president of the united states who, for four years, did nothing but gush over and suck up to someone like vladimir putin. >> absolutely. and the republicans who acquitted trump of literally trying to bribe that same president in ukraine. to not defend that country against russia. and then according -- unbelievable. one day, we're gonna do this at a dinner party. i appreciate you man. and that is tonight's read out. don't go anywhere though! after the break, i will be joined by my friends rachel maddow, nicole wallace, and steve mcnugget have complete coverage of the state of the union a bright address. right after this break. after this break
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right now in washington, where we are waiting for president biden to depart the white house for the u.s. capitol building, for the state of the union address tonight. the student of a union addresses are always delivered at a time of some national or international drama. almost always. but really, is there this much, all at once, from all sides? president biden will address -- the third year of the pandemic. he addresses an assessment of the state of the union at a time where our union, our democracy, and re