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about immigration. it may sound familiar to a lot of folks watching this. it shifted governments, government swing to the right. and that is something that, i think, these governments are going to be concerned about. they are already under the economic quench of a pandemic, already dealing with internal issues. so, for them, yeah, it's gonna be a political concern. absolutely. >> bingo! i like talking to you cal perry because you have great context for, us cal perry, stay safe, "the reidout" is finished, all in starts now. rts now. >> tonight on "all in" -- >> [speaking foreign language] [noise] [speaking foreign language] as russian military closes, in ukraine fights back with what they have. >> ukrainians are fighting bravely and creatively. >> how russia is losing the propaganda war, even in russia. >> we know that if you want no
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part in this -- for >> tonight, the fight against the invasion and what the russian military is capable of next. then -- >> tonight, i say to the russian oligarchic's and the corrupt leaders who built billions of dollars off this violent regime, no more! >> new sanctions against russia's elite. will they work? and while republicans heckle and sheared they could not drown out the joe biden success story. "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. the violence in ukraine is escalating, with rationale bombing civilian targets across the northeast city of kharkiv and one journalist on the ground tells nbc news that the cities downtown looks like a war zone, which, of course, it is. the un human rights office says that more than 228 ukrainian billions killed, more than 520 injured in less than one week of fighting. we know that that is likely an
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undercount. one ukrainian woman who fled kharkiv describe what she experienced firsthand to nbc news. >> i left kharkiv two days ago, when things got worse. and my house got bombarded by bombs and my loved ones died. >> who died? >> my friends. in basements. they were hiding in basements. because right now it is so hard. they use some kind of new forbidden bombs that destroyed everything. everything in a big distance. so, it's pretty much -- my whole city is just dust. >> my whole city is just dust, that sense of horror and despair appears to be russia's explicit goal. the wall street journal's reporting that putin has made a shift in tactics towards targeting civilian specifically as a way to demoralize ukrainian resistance. there is reason to believe that
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russian president vladimir putin was caught off guard, both by the strength of the ukrainian resistance and the overwhelming rebuke from the rest of the world. because he basically has done the same playbook twice already. and essentially gotten away with it. first, back in the late 1990s, when russia invaded chechnya, a breakaway where public. it was under the guise of an anti terrorism operation, leading to a bloody conflict, which lasted years and left thousands dead. then, again, in syria in late 2015, when russian forces intervene in that country civil war in order to keep dictator bashar al-assad in power. for the better part of a decade, russia has been accused of bombing civilian targets in syria, including schools and hospitals, facing relatively little outcry from the international community. certainly, nothing compared to what we are seeing now. and syria is also where putin tested out internationally the disinformation tactics that russia is known for today, muddying the waters about assad's crimes against his own
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people and the nature of russia's military targets. at one point he even painted humanitarian rescue workers as terrorists. on the one hand, you can see why putin thought he would be able to get away with it. and would send his troops in on a made-up charge of fighting extremism in a world where -- it made a sovereign come very country relatively in check unchecked. that's not how it played out this time. there are reasons. first, let's be honest and clear here. they are transparent ethnic and religious biases and bigotry in both chechnya and syria, where putin claimed he was fighting a war on terrorism. he was applauded by many in the west for doing so. both chechnya and syria have majority muslim populations. they are subject to a kind of skepticism that many western countries are not. the sad truth is that the moral logic of the global war on terror essentially labeled certain civilians expendable in the eyes of many. that has been true for u.s.
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actions in countries like afghanistan and iraq as well. in ukraine, putin's attempt to paint the government as extremist -- running the same place book, this time wasn't isis, it was the nazis. he's going to do nazify ukraine. it's flat. russia's disinformation campaign was not given the reasons, including the transparency of u.s. intelligence services in the run up to the invasion, which finally said in realtime that this was russia's plan and we are proven basically right at every juncture. there is also the fact that ukraine is in eastern europe, and the site of the worst of the worst barbarism in human history, the most horrifying wars and a genocide. and that puts the invasion in front of mind for many western countries on a confidence that has been bloodied by conflict over the centuries. perhaps most importantly, ukraine is also the richest country to be subjected to this kind of attack in the digital age. smart phones and social media are utterly ubiquitous.
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this is a country that is obviously outmatched in terms of numbers and weaponry. it is the only remaining tool it has to constrain russian aggression, to basically win over public opinion globally, the hearts and minds of people. and you are seeing an unprecedented amount of footage from real people in realtime and it is providing ukraine with its only real hope of fighting back against its occupation. it's rallying global public opinion to exert pressure on putin, by the information war. and so far, it's been an effective strategy. videos of ukrainian resistance are everywhere on social media feeds, they are pushing a consistent narrative of a country heroically fighting back against a brutal oppressor. we should note that none of the videos we are back to show you were shot by nbc news there. ? posted to social media. we cannot verify for certain where they were taken by this video where i am about to show you, it's from saturday, a group of people attempting to
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physically resist what appears to be a russian tank in a city of about 115 miles north of kyiv. when millennials in front of the tank an attempt to stop it from moving forward. we are calling that famous image from china, in tiananmen square. similar scenes are playing out from across the country, like in mariupol, we are a group of protesters called russian forces occupiers, attempting to physically push their trucks away, as a russian soldier fires again into the air. this video was verified by the new york times investigation team. a group of civilians stood up to russian troops, marching through the streets holding grenades. the crowd courses at the soldiers, telling them to put their weapons away and ultimately force them to retrieve retreat. the towns mayor asked if they are willing to fight. [speaking foreign language]
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[speaking foreign language] [speaking foreign language] >> that is an impactful, inspiring call to arms. it's important to remember that this is all essentially war propaganda. it's propaganda in the service of the victims of the conflict. it's a tool they have. but perhaps no one has benefited more from ukraine's president, volatile mayor zelenskyy. the former actor-turned-president has been keeping in frequent contact
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with his country in the world, first in a series of formal addresses and then videos to followers on his telegram channel, where zelenskyy presents himself as a fighter on the ground ready to sacrifice for his country. it is all part of an appeal to the world, perhaps especially the russian people, to oppose the war, and it's a sentiment echoed earlier today by u.s. secretary of state antony blinken. >> this is president putin's war. this is not the russian peoples war. it is becoming clearer by the day that the russian people oppose it. and members of the russian military oppose it. and they have no idea that they were being sent to do this. and now the russian people will suffer the consequences of their leaders choices. so, my message to the people of russia, if they are even able to hear it, as the kremlin cracks down even harder on media outlets reporting the truth, my message is that we know many of you want no part of this war.
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>> our guest vera bergengruen is a correspondent for "time" and she recently wrote about how putin is losing the information game. and then collins is an nbc news senior reporter who wrote about facebook and twitter removing disinformation accounts targeting ukrainians. let me start with you, vera, it's striking how effectively ukrainian resistance, again, outmatched militarily, in desperate and dire straits a country invaded. and understands quite clearly that the only constraint that they have on military force's global public opinion via social media. how successful has this strategy been? >> we can obviously see that has been very successful. i mean, when you see how much most people knew about ukraine a week ago and how strongly they feel about ukraine now by its president, all these images that we have seen have really kind of embedded themselves into our consciousness. they have been very successful with that. and as you noted, a lot of this is intentional.
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a lot of this is just the way that propaganda has always worked, putting out heroic narratives, it's always worked. but they have also been speaking directly to the russian people, in trying to breakthrough russian narratives, which is very hard to do. i mean, putin's disinformation machine has been touted so much over -- four decades as the scary thing that can really cause a lot of damage. and they seem to be kind of cutting it off at the root, by not allowing these russian air it is to take hold at all. they are kind of saying you are going to hear that troops are deserting and you are going to hear that silence he has fled. and before any of this can really take hold or cause panic, you are really kind of getting out in front of it and that has been extremely effective. i do not think that we have a really seen that before. >> yeah. the disinformation apparatus of the russian state, that has been quite formidable. you really saw it in syria, where they were able to really kind of muddy the waters and so enough confusion to sort of hide some of the most monstrous and barbers acts taken place,
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committed both by assad and the russian military. that has not been the case this time. why not? >> they have not been able to drown out the sheer amount of civilian video from ukraine. their whole goal is not to overwhelm people with her message. it is just to confuse the message. to figure out, for regular people, to figure out how the good guy is and who makes it up. it's very clear right now who the good guy is and who that guy is, who is invading another country. and the other thing is, i must say this -- they did not have a plan for this going this badly. we are looking through some of those same websites that were taken down by facebook, because they had ties to the troll farm, the 2016 12 on that attacked the united states. run by this guy named alexander malkovich and they are posting through this as if they've already won the war. the top things on their website, posted by the stake identities, that were posted by people with ai generated faces, which
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facebook doubt took down, they are posting about the future. posting now that the government has been decapitated, but that has not happened. they are going through the motions with the propaganda right now and have not been able to transition in time, to meet the reality. >> yeah. and you made a really important point, here vera, and i think this is a key point. we're so often involves the demonization of the enemy, the other and in many cases across the lines of language, religion, and place. right? these are -- you know, you are watching these videos, with russians speaking ukrainians, speaking to russian soldiers in russian and calling them fascists, which has a particular biting valence in a part of the world wish celebrates and honors when it calls the great patriotic war against nazis in fascism. the effectiveness of this being able to communicate with these people who you really do share
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a lot with, it seems to be a huge part of what is so powerful about this appeal right now. >> definitely. and i think one of the most interesting things, exactly like you said, is that it is not dehumanizing the enemy, they are not making them out to be, for the most part, these monsters. it's the bravado that comes with the military. they are really just kind of making them out to be scared kids. and they are running out of food and fuel and they are young conscripts who have no idea where they are. they are posting these videos allowing them to call home, giving them hot tea. and those are real. and it really cannot be stated enough just how effective that is, just making a lot of threats and trying to rally each other up. they are also just kind of saying, look, just go home. we know you do not want to be here. and again, it's something we
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have not seen before. >> yeah. and we have also seen them and there are moves to restrict -- there is already a narrow space for instance the pendant media in russia, those are already being constrained. you have the shutdown of the country's only independent tv channel and the only sort of liberal independent radio station, a notorious one that had broadcast all kinds of errors. you've also got, been, now just foreign entities turning off the spigot that had promoted russian propaganda over the last ten or 20 years. >> yes.n or 20 yea you are seeing most of europe turn off rt and rapidly ruptly and it's impossible to get them through some smartphones in europe now. and i cannot stress how big of a deal that is, by the way, that they are not the biggest thing on youtube anymore. because for ten years they were proud of the fact that -- you know, rt, it was one of the
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most viewed channels on all of you to. not news channels. channels. so, to have this go from one of the most popular channels on youtube to invisible, not accessible, by traditional means, in a lot of, ways that's a big deal. by the way, tv -- the one shot off and, russia they outed a lot of the people in the troll farm and they did a lot of work. now they are not accessible. so, this is a completely different dynamic that we have ever had before against russian propaganda. and they frankly are just losing this. >> ben collins and vera bergengruen, thank you both. still to, come while russia leases ground in the information fight, the military is still pushing slowly towards kyiv. a 40 mile long convoy is now paused outside the nation's capital but what if that force starts moving? the military situation in ukraine after this. is work. thankfully, voya provides comprehensive solutions
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first invaded ukraine, my colleague ali velshi spoke with alexander pathankot, ukraine's minister of culture and administration policy. >> do you feel that they will succeed in taking out your administration and your government? >> no way. >> what will you do if they occupy kyiv, what happens? when you go west to lviv? well you form a government in exile? >> they will never take kyiv. >> after that interview, he was -- who served in the u.s. army for more than three decades. general mccaffrey with very touched by his words. he said it was astounding -- since then, ukrainians have continued to show remarkable resourcefulness. the harsh reality is that the russian military is bigger and stronger, and as we have seen over the last few days, they
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are willing to use force against civilians. we talk about the capabilities and capacity of the russian military -- general, it's good to have you on. strictly from a sort of military standpoint here, from all that i have seen in the reporting that i've read, the people that i've interviewed, there does seem to be consensus that this initial phase of russian assault has gone poorly, it has not met the short term tactical and strategic aims of the russian military. do you think that is true? >> yeah. it's remarkable. the operational level -- this massive russian invasion force -- they had weeks to plan the thing. they have ended up in an armored movement of contact to see is a big city where their frontage is one vehicle wide and they are stalled. it looks like a parking lot in places. it is going to take a long time.
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a company you can pull together in a couple of hours, but an army, they are not off the roads. they are not in some of the areas. they are having logistic problems and the brave ukrainians are fighting at the point of the spear. but some tough days a lie ahead. they are -- you better grab kyiv. so they are going to try to do it. the ukrainians will fight inside the city and devour russian infantry. they will lock down the city and kill a lot of civilians. >> i want to sort of be as clear as possible here because i think there's a sense that this has gone poorly for the russians so far and the ukrainians have been resourceful. but we have seen what they are capable -- both willing and capable of two civilian blocks of population centers. they have tremendous advantage in firepower. it is going to be very
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difficult, right? for the ukrainians to sustain resistance if this drags on for weeks and weeks? >> i actually think if the ukrainians decide to fight it out to the death, if they have 15, 30,000 individual fighters in the city of kyiv, it could stretch out for a month. and it could, i suppose, change the political calculus if putin has to -- and norma's strategic peril. the -- germans doubled their defense budget for next year. and economic sanctions. the scorn of the world community. so, it's possible, i suppose, that the brave ukrainians could force a draw. but i think the russians are under no misconception that putin is going to have them shot if they don't get into that city. so, we will have to see how it comes out. it is a tragedy. putin has already lost the war
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strategically. this won't be over. this is a tenure of and he just signed up for. and how could he govern this entire country? he is in trouble. >> your point there -- we kept saying this and we said this even on the program when it looked like this might happen, it was threatening to happen. and the and then what question seemed incredibly unanswered. i remember feeling that way about the u.s. war in iraq. the and then what question. and here we are not there, we are in the midst of this horrible humanitarian disaster. we are watching people die and be killed. but not even victory would look like -- at this point has to feel incredibly abstract from the russian perspective. >> yeah, well, at some point, they have to put ten, 15 battalions into kyiv and fight block by block and fire tank -- they will start firing artillery of 5000, 15,000
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rounds a day. and it will not be precision strikes with a dozen missiles. in the meantime, the rest of europe will see millions of these desperate people, many of the mothers with small children, fleeing into poland, romanian, moldova, etc. so, putin has himself in such a fix and i, for the life of me, can't see how he backs out. not just politically, i don't think he has command over these forces anymore. how does he extricate to do something different? >> elaborate on that lost point. >> once you -- your army is committed to movement and they are stuck on roads, in one video i'm watching, it's three lanes wide. there is no return lane. the ground has gone marshy as of the great thaw in march.
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so, they are already having trouble getting off roads. he didn't put discreet patches of battalion combat teams down, he got it all stuck in a mass. it's unraveling. >> you are saying the sheer logistics of essentially trying -- if you were to, say effectuate a u-turn, if you were to say, for whatever reason, for a calculation to cut your losses or you come up with some face saving talks in minsk, you declare a cease fire. just the sheer logistical situation right now -- even just that would be difficult to reverse course. >> i am watching video of -- vehicles that fell off the side of the road and they are abandoned. there is no vehicle tracked recovery going on. it was sort of a funny, not funny, video. gypsies who stole a tank that
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had been a banded on the road. one of the ukrainians was laughing about it. this does not look like a blitzkrieg. it looks like a mass. and i am surprised. russian soldiers, by the way, have first rate equipment. they are brave people. there's no question about that. they will follow orders. they are on their fifth invasion now. and they think they won the last four. so, now, they put mr. putin over a barrel -- without killing a load of people in kyiv and odessa -- they are just stuck in a mass. apparently, the agency and the europeans are still able to get, i'm surprised, stinger's and javelin missiles systems and ammunition into and are trying to distribute them to fighting units.
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so, the battle looms. the big battle looms in the next 72 hours. right now, ukrainians, passionately, strategically, are winning. time is their ally. >> all right, general barry mccaffrey, thank you very much. that was really illuminating. next, as -- and interest rates rise, ordinary russians citizens are starting to feel the brutal pressure. now, president biden announced new targets, russian oligarchs. after this. after this right. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ move your student loan debt to sofi—you could save with low rates and no fees. go to to view your rate today. ♪ ♪ since suzie's got goals,
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oligarchic and the corrupt leaders who bill billions of dollars off this violent regime, no more. the united states -- [applause] i mean it. [applause] the united states department of justice has a dedicated task force to go after the crimes of the russian oligarchic's. we are joining with european allies to find then seize their yachts, their young luxury apartments, their private jets. we are coming for your ill gotten gains. >> and they are, today the department of justice announced the creation of a new unit to go after the finances and assets of russian oligarchs. it is called task force kleptocrat capture.
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it's part of the sanctions put in place as a response to the invasion. in a little less than a week, the u.s. and its allies have shut off major russian banks from the global banking system known as swift, frozen russian bank central assets, an enormous deal. they have targeted president putin and his foreign minister sergey lavrov, among other escalates. that does not include the other measures taken by the biden ministration, things like restricting exports of certain technologies to russia, such as semiconductors. and banning russian airlines from u.s. airspace. but even with all that economic pressure, the big question now is, will it work? and i think, more profoundly, what is working even mean? adam tooze is a director of the european history institute at columbia university, and his book on subject outcome is an absolute must read. i'm so glad to have you here, adam, to talk this through. first let's talk about what seems to be, obviously, the lowest hanging fruit, which is
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the sort of oligarch targeted measures. how meaningful are those? how much of this is rhetoric and how much are european countries and the u.s. actually going to go after him? >> there is an element of rhetoric, you heard it in congress today. cheers, populist cheers, go after the bad guys. and good riddance to them, let's go after them, bio means. we should look into our own crooks as well, we should look into the loopholes that enable hours to escape as well. and if they go hard on this, and they actually try and uncover the shadowy wealth, they will indeed expose a whole undergrowth which is not just russian, it's ukrainian, it's american, it's european. but they can do that and they can hurt those people, they are very vulnerable. if you have an 800 million dollar yacht sitting in hamburg harbor, it's something exposed. these people are immensely wealthy, of course, so you can take the other way and the man is still a billionaire. but the important question is, what difference will it make to the politics of the regime? the crucial thing here is that
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russia is no longer the russian of the 1990s. power is not shared between putin and the oligarchy. the power, the visceral, physical, violent power is with putin and with the men of force, the security folks, who are out of the military. of the military.
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in the 1990s i think you could describe russia as a kleptocrat exist them. it's extremely real, they know, this that velocity, it ends up in the gulag for ten years. you don't mess around with those people. it's a moment of existential pressure for putin. the drought most general was describing this a moment ago. the situation is extremely precarious, putin is not going to be worrying about pocketbooks of folks who are rich. and he can make them which again afterwards. there are ways of offsetting
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whatever consequences they suffer. they've been through this before. putin has a whole narrative and he will say, hey, we traveled a long way, we've gone which together, it's now your time to sacrifice. and the smart ones will play the, game i imagine. >> of course, the larger question is around average russians who have nothing to do with his. and of course, again, you are the, west you are the eu and the u.s., you have these two -- okay, allow ukraine to be co-opted and annexed and invaded. and you've got nuclear war on the other hand. are you essentially trying to pilot your way in between this? and so, unprecedented levels of economic sanctions and coercion's what has been used. what are the effects going to be on the russian economy? because this is basically uncharted territory. >> it really is. the strike against the central bank, over the weekend, as you, mentioned it is the thing right now. everything else is being worked, out it is not clear which banks will be cut out of swift. the correspondents banking thing that biden announced on
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friday is important. because that means that russia cannot deal in dollars anymore. they are hitting the central bank, that's a declaration of war on the national authority. it hits every element of the russian economy. as soon as the markets here that, you just tell everything, there's no discrimination anymore. a free thing as the go. because the ruble is going to devalue right now, it's not fallen as much as you expect, as they basically clamp down on all currency trading. you cannot take machine russian money out anymore. so, we are in a real -- this is a regime shift. and they did this not after, if you like, putin had accomplished his seizure of ukraine, to slap him on the wrist and punish him, but instead in the middle of a shooting war, which, as the general was explaining, it still undecided. right? this became, after, in a sense, taking the side of the ukrainians in this conflict. and i don't think that that was the original plan. in a sense, we had stood back, been honest with ourselves, ten days ago. both the europeans and americans had abandoned ukraine to its fate. if putin was cynical in violent enough he was going to take it.
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and now they're resistance, that's changed the game. that's completely changed the emotional and political dynamic. and made it much, much more dangerous, frankly. ngerous, frankly >> well, that is very sobering. i guess the final question here is the moscow stock market. it's been closed for four days. there is this crazy thing where they cannot open it because it is going to plunge and they are just keeping a close. but at a certain point, the cat is out of the bag. >> yes, this is great depression era, it's like a national bank holiday forever. >> right. >> the reality is too horrible to contemplate. >> all right, adam tooze, indispensable again on all these topics. thank you, we appreciate. it >> thank. you >> next, with state of the union revealed about the state of the republican party and senator raphael warnock on the biggest take away from the presidents speech. he joins me live just ahead, stick around. ick around
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ukraine, we continue to see fallout from republicans praising vladimir putin while he bombed civilian areas. including marjorie taylor greene -- and you want to know the secrets, to borrow a phrase from a friend of mine, our secret sauce here, it's these young, white men. that's what we call the secret ingredient, america and the world has forgotten about them. not us. we say about america, we say, diversity is our friend, you know. i look at china and i look at russia, can we get a round of applause for russia? [applause] absolutely.
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>> to be clear, russia had invaded ukraine by that point. that was the introduction that -- special guest marjorie taylor greene who is clearly on board for the whole thing. she shook his hand. she blew kisses. told the audience of white supremacists that none of them should be canceled. >> we know what it's like to be canceled and that is why i'm here to talk to you tonight, i don't believe anyone should be canceled, i don't believe in separating people and identities. i don't believe in separating people in classes. but that is what the democrats believe and because that is wet marxism is. that is why communism is. >> i mean, i shouldn't do this. i'm ad libbing. i just have to know, because fact-checking as ridiculous, the speaker literally talked about the secret sauce of being white men, like, the identity
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category, white man. that appearance made green to toxic for trump backed georgia candidate -- dropped out of her gun rights event this saturday. marjorie taylor greene's appearance at that event did not bother former georgia senator david perdue, who is not running for governor. he said he will still attend greens event. isn't that awesome? now, a rational person facing that kind of backlash for head raleigh -- maybe not say, show up for the state of the union and scream at the president like you're in the stands of a wwe event. representatives of the states of georgia and colorado, in a desperate plea for the kind of negative attention they really do seem to thrive off of -- george biden's state of the union was really quite good. -- totally possible, even our super fractured partisan government -- i talked to a senator from the
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one way to fight inflation is to drive down wages and make america's poor. i think i have a better idea to fight inflation. lower costs, not wages. [applause] >> one of the interesting things in president biden's speech last night came as he was laying out his
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domestic agenda. this was the full agenda. he called on congress to wage the minimum wage. bring back the expanded child tax credit, which they passed and has lapsed, including -- he urged lawmakers to pass the pro-act to support union organizing, the freedom to -- support democratic foundation, dedicated steps to cut prescription drugs cost and allow medicare to negotiate drug prices. he touted a plan to rebuild american manufacturing, pushed clean energy tax incentives, and called for congress to pass the equality act, to protect the lgbt community. but, so that is the whole laundry list and sort of what the speech was like, largely. and -- if you were paying careful attention, you can tell which parts he thought had a chance of passing and which did not. and his push for prescription drug reform and an insulin cap
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are clearly in the possible category. >> joshua and 200,000 other young people with diabetes, let's cap the price of insulin. so everyone can afford it. >> reverend raphael warnock is the -- and the sponsor of the affordable insulin now -- and he joins me now. you, know senator, folks like yourself who work in government, want to pass things, whether they're advocates or members of the senate, legislators. they are watching for the signals from the state of the union. so, you must be incredibly enthused by the president clearly putting this initiative, which you worked very hard on, front and center. >> thank, you chris. great to be here with you. listen, as we say my other job as pastor -- i heard the president say, that i just wanted to scream, a man! let's cap the cost of insulin
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to $35 per month, in terms of out of pocket costs. i have been fighting for health care for years and when you think about the impact of diabetes on so many americans, this would have a huge positive impact, not only on those who have diabetes, but i think on our largest health care ecosystem. one in $4 and health care in america is spent on diabetes or diabetes related care. you see the cost -- >> that's true? one in $4? >> one in $4. so, when you think about the cascading impact of diabetes and, it's risk factors for heart disease, a whole range of issues, kidney failure, amputations. this is about providing affordable health care to folks who need insulin. and that is 12% of georgians. 13% of african americans across the country, 10% of americans
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in general. so, it will help these folks who are spending as much as $6,000 a year just on insulin. and i think it will have a positive impact on a larger health care ecosystem. which is why i'm pushing so hard to get this done. >> you know, i'm not the one you need to sell this on, but the big question on a lot of this stuff is, are there the votes for it? and my reading of last night was that there were sort of a category the president talked about, including some climate initiatives, some taxing of corporations and people at the very top, and prescription drug reform, including insulin, that he sees as there being 50 votes for. because joe manchin can be on board with that. do you have that same interpretation of the structure of the speech and the insulin being in that part of the speech? >> i have been talking to my colleagues on both sides of the aisle and there is interest. and there are some folks who have been working on this issue
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around diabetes for a long time. look, diabetes are certainly not a partisan issue. it impacts a whole lot of folks on both sides of the aisle and certainly, all across the country and in my state of georgia. so, this ought to have a path, to get this done sooner rather than later. >> you have been very honest -- outspoken about voting rights legislation and electoral reform that is passed the house, that has been combined into one piece of legislation. -- kyrsten sinema, your colleague, joe manchin, saying there will be no reform of the filibuster, even for this important legislation. is that the status quo as we speak tonight in the wake of the state of the union? >> voting rights is more important -- all of the issues we care, about whether we are talking about capping the cost of insulin or dealing with climate change or dealing with a livable wage, the democracy itself is the framework in
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which we get to fight for these things. and so, i will continue to fight for it. i'm glad that folks are interested in the electoral format, but that is a piece of what needs to get done and we need to keep pushing until this gets done. listen, our congress will be judged by history, on the basis of what we do on this issue. i could see a fight for voting rights. at the same time, i will continue to fight for health care, which i believe is a human right and it certainly is something the wealthiest nation on the planet ought to provide for its innocence. >> you have been a city -- senator for over a year now. what is the worst part of being a u.s. senator, reverent? >> look, it can be frustrating. change is slow. it's hard to come by. and it's especially frustrating when we have the power to do something and the question is, how do you get folks to do it? but even on my worst days, i am deeply honored to represent the
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people of georgia in the united states senate. yesterday, i was with an eight-year-old kid named evan who suffers from type one diabetes and he wrote me the sweetest note. he was so glad to meet me. and he asked me to keep fighting for him. his mom spends 90 $500 a year for insulin for this eight year old kid. i will be fighting forever. i will keep him front and center and that is what kits me up every day. >> senator of georgia, raphael warnock, thank you so much. >> good to be with. you >> that is all in on this wednesday night. the rachel maddow show starts now. rachelgood evening chris. thank you so much. fascinating interview there with reverend warnock. >> lots happening both overseas and here. we will start overseas. but -- is a city in ukraine. is it a bout -- you can see it there on your map. the name of this city literally translate into the gift of