tv Alex Witt Reports MSNBC March 6, 2022 9:00am-10:00am PST
we have some big breaking developments this hour on both the military and diplomatic fronts in the russian invasion of ukraine. just in, new video that show what appears to be attacks on civilian fleeing a suburb of the capital, kyiv. >> go, go, go! >> move! >> scary. way too close for comfort there. just one of many moments when civilian homes were targeted by shelling. you could see journalists scampering from the scene there. then this next attack also took place right in front of journalists covering civilians trying to escape.
>> [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. >> again, this is happening while civilians are trying to escape. reporters on the ground say that a woman and two children were killed in a similar attack there today. that report corroborated by "the new york times." nbc news is not yet able to independently confirm that one. in southeastern ukraine, a second day of failure for civilians trying to leave mariupol. under heavy shelling for several days, it's said to be encircled by russian forces. military officials from ukraine and russia are again accusing each other of violating a cease-fire agreement. we'll have more on that in a moment. meanwhile, israel, turkey, france, britain, on the diplomatic front, they say they've all pressed russian president vladimir putin for a general cease-fire. french president emmanuel macron said he spent nearly two hours
on the phone with putin today, urging him to end all operations and protect nuclear sites. all leaders reported putin did not agree to end the attacks. ukrainian president zelenskyy is once again pressing the west for help to protect his airspace from russian bombers. the u.s. is now in talks with poland on a possible deal to send poland's old russian-made mig fighters to ukraine. the steady stream of refugees continuing across the borders, ali velshi is in hungary talking to some of them. >> reporter: you see this happening to your country, how do you feel? >> i don't want to see this, it really hurts. >> we have a number of reporters deployed to bring you the very latest from the fighting in ukraine, the refugee save havens in poland, to the white house. we'll go to nbc's molly hunter joining us from the ground in lviv, ukraine for us. molly, let's start with the second attempt, a failed attempt
to evacuate civilians from mariupol, it was halted by more russian shelling. what more do we know about where things stand? >> reporter: yeah, alex, that's right, when we spoke yesterday, there were hopes that maybe there was going to be a second attempt to add a cease-fire today. and when the residents of mariupol woke up this morning, it is in the southeast of the country, it has been pounded by russian air power in the last few days. they have been living without electricity, without heat, without water. it is absolutely miserable. according to the red cross, there were 200,000 people they were going to try to evacuate. families waking up in mariupol this morning thinking they would get out, get to relative safety, out of the area. the red cross statement says, we remain in mariupol and are ready to help facilitate further attempts if the parties reach an agreement which is for them alone to implement and respect. people in mariupol and other places across ukraine are living
in desperate situations, they must be protected at all times. they are not a target. people urgently need water, food, shelter. the red cross goes on to remind the world and the russian military that anyone who works for the red cross, staff, any vehicles, any building that belongs to the red cross, is protected by international law. as you mentioned, alex, it's not the only ukrainian city that the red cross has been facilitating evacuations. in the northeastern suburb of kyiv, humanitarian corridors were set up yesterday, 300,000 people were evacuated according to the red cross. today they tried to do the same and there was russian shelling in the exact place that they knew that civilians were going to be evacuated. alex, we are in lviv, in the west of the country. this is where so many people from the east have been trying to get to. this is the destination of safety. it's also the departure point to hungary where ali velshi is, to
poland, to other countries. there are internally displaced people who are staying, who want to try to wait it out, who believe in their country, who want to try to stay in the west to see if the fighting ceases. finally, alex, i want to pause for a second because during our hit there is a group of elderly ukrainians below our balcony singing ukrainian folk songs, i want to pause for a second to see if you can hear that. it's a little hard to hear because there is so much traffic. >> i wish i could have heard that, that would have certainly brought a lot of positive spirits to all of us who are watching, and watching russia so flagrantly violate these agreed-upon rules of a cease-fire for humanitarian aid, it is drawing the ire and damnation of the world. let's go to efforts to the
diplomatic front, nbc's josh lederman is joining us from riga. what do we know about emanuel macron, the french president's, long phone call with vladimir putin yesterday? >> reporter: it was about an hour and 45 minutes, alex. macron expressed his deep concerns about nuclear power plants in ukraine after the harrowing incident a few days ago. he tried to convince putin there must be no further efforts to seize nuclear power plants in ukraine. putin said it was ukrainian radicals who provoked that incident of violence around that ukrainian power plant. of course that's completely at odds with what ukrainian officials on the ground have
been saying. both leaders are now looking to the iaea, the u.n.'s nuclear watchdog agency, to see how they can better assure safety at these vital sites in ukraine, as macron insisted to putin that there needs to be cease-fires to allow citizen evacuation. president putin has also been speaking with the israeli prime minister who is also in turn speaking with the germans and the brits and the ukrainians. you see this flurry of diplomacy as ukraine's neighbors are looking to see what more they can do to help ukraine right now including right here in latvia, where i'm standing right now is actually outside the russian embassy here in riga where a protest in store of ukraine has cropped up. you can see some of the signs hine me, it's been a sea of blue
and yellow, as secretary of state antony blinken is mid-flight to the baltics. he's first in lithuania and then will be here in latvia. and we heard from him this morning about the latest idea to help ukraine militarily, because of course the u.s. and nato have ruled out putting boots on the ground, they've ruled out a no-fly zone. but they are investigating whether they can give ukraine some of poland's russian-made aircraft. here is what blinken had to say. >> we're working on seeing what we and allies and partners can deliver. we are looking actively now at the question of airplanes that poland may provide to ukraine and looking at how we might be able to backfill should poland
decide to produce those to supply those planes. i can't speak to a timeline but i can just tell you we're looking at it very, very actively. >> reporter: the other thing blinken said that jumped out to me, alex, he said the u.s. is now discussing with allies the possibility of a ban of imports on russian oil. that's a real shift from just a few days ago when the white house is saying it is not in the u.s.'s strategic interest to lower the global supply of energy. but apparently that option is now on the table. the latest indication of how western nations are trying to go above and beyond what they've done so far to try to cripple russia's economy and try to deter further military action from president putin, alex. >> yeah, look, and the fact is president biden hasn't wanted to do that, josh, as you well know, because it would drive up the price of oil in the states. but some americans say it would be worth it to do what we can do
to support the war in ukraine. i know a lot of people feel the pinch in their wallets but nevertheless some are saying that here at stateside. josh, thank you very much from latvia. general barry mccaffrey, nbc military analyst and retired four-star general. general, welcome to you. this situation that antony blinken discussed, the possibility of poland supplying for ukraine their soviet cold war era, these mig jets and things like that, and then the united states backfilling their supply, what do you think about that? first of all, are these planes, are they ready to fly, are they capable to fly, will they be strong enough to defend ukraine in the skies? >> look, i think since president zelenskyy called for it, then it's probably a useful approach to pursue. but look, mig 29s, su 25s, yes, the ukrainians can fly them. they require a huge runway,
sophisticated ground support, getting the ordnance in there to arm them, they would probably be immensely better off with armed drones out of turkey, france, the uk, the u.s. everybody's got them. that's a capability that would make a huge, immediate difference. they can be hid, they can be operated by small numbers of people without much training. having said that, look, the big deal to me is that the u.s. has organized cross border resupply of ukrainian armed forces. i'm surprised they were able to pull it off. a lot of nations are involved. u.s./european command headquarters has put together a team to implement it. it is working. the ukrainians are fighting with enormous courage and commitment, and have held off, successfully, the russian armed forces. 60% of their combat forces are now fighting in ukraine.
>> that is remarkable. so you're surprised, general, at the fact that they've been able to establish these reply lines. why surprised? is it because everybody is coming together bringing these supplies? the safety of getting these supplies across the border into ukraine? why does it surprise you? >> look, largely this is always a year process with bureaucracy, permitting, and diplomatic permission to bring them into poland and move them across borders. it happened in a matter of weeks. a remarkable outcome with a scratch team, with other nations, that didn't take months of political wrangling but hours to commit to support the u.s. effort. and then inside ukraine, also to my surprise, apparently the distribution system to get them to forward fighting units is also working. >> so general, does that tell you that russia is not as in command as it wants to be? i mean, literally, if you can
deliver heavy equipment, planes, any other things that would be part of this deal, to the ukrainian forward forces, what does that say about russia's inability to prevent them from doing that? >> i think they've lost logistical command and control of their troops. as a former army commander, i'm appalled at seeing abandoned russian t-80 tanks and self-propelled artillery pieces just left by the side of the road with all their armaments. they're not doing very well. ukraine is a nation now in arms. by the way, i'm not quite sure i back your statement that the mig 29s are going to get there in time to make a difference. javelin missiles are, the
stingers are, perhaps armed drones, ammunition is getting through to them, food. but this is a chaotic condition inside ukraine, and alex, the central battle is kyiv and kharkiv and the city of to the south of odesa. the russians are using long distance cruise missiles, ballistic missile strikes, some air power, and a lot of artillery to smash civilian infrastructure. that's the target. it's a terror campaign. >> so general, i'm not going to ask you to get inside of vladimir putin's mind. however, given his threats that seeing any sort of air support would be a declaration of war for any country that gets involved in that, are you concerned about not only the provision of jets potentially, but as you suggested, using drones that would be coming from other countries, would that be
something that you think could predicate the start of a world war iii if putin reacts accordingly? >> i actually -- first of all, we have to take him seriously. i think he's out over his skis, he's lost control of the situation. he's allegedly angry, isolated, going to the military command center and yelling at people. he doesn't know what to do. the armed forces can't deliver for him, to include his air force, which also surprises me. but i do think that he would be ill-advised to attack nato. we put 100,000 u.s. forces now into europe. the germans just announced their doubling their defense budget next year. so, you know, russia is essentially a second-tier military power. they should not consider taking on nato writ large. >> general, when you hear that french president emmanuel macron was on the phone with vladimir putin for an hour and 45 minutes
today, nothing substantive came of it, but what do you think his efforts entail? is he trying to be something of a peacemaker, something of a broker, and is there any shot that that kind of brokering from macron or otherwise will do anything to deter putin? >> we ought to welcome french intervention. the israeli prime minister has been in there, the brits have engaged. all this is good, to keep open the lines of communication. however, i cannot see how putin can possibly back out. i don't see an off-ramp. i don't think he's got command of his military units inside ukraine now. a cease-fire would be a disaster for him. i pray it happens, because the big victims right now are innocent civilian populations being starved, turning off the electrical grid, and being bombarded. i think putin is really stuck.
a hundred ways we've now indicated global abhorrence as to what he's doing. we'll have to see what the generals, the oligarchs, and the people of russia do. the most encouraging thing is that 6, 7,000 of them got arrested, standing up, being beaten, locked up, discredited in their job environment. we need to talk to the russian people. they may be their only salvation. >> general barry mccaffrey, always a pleasure, thank you so much for your insights. a bit later on this hour, what americans can do to stop the war. and the argument that emotions should not dictate policy. but first, their lives are forever changed. the voices of ukraine, ahead. >> i'm scared. like, my country, my town, all my friends, and my friends are sleeping in parks, something
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breaking news, new video appearing to show civilians fleeing a russian bombardment. this in the city of urpan, a suburb of the capital of kyiv. residents and journalists are shown running for their lives. reporters on the ground say three members of a family died, a woman and two children. they were hit with a mortar while trying to flee. the report has been corroborated by "the new york times."" nbc has yet to independently confirm that. let's bring in fulbright scholar and national security expert misha zelenskyy, reporting from lviv in western ukraine. tell me what the situation is where you are. >> reporter: thanks for having
me. already at least 1 million ukrainian residents have threat the war-torn zones of ukraine, gradually heading west. today we saw missiles strikes in city which has not seen military conflicts so far. missiles have been seen in a civilian airport in the town. the war is gradually heading west, as are refugees. i was at a refugee center yesterday. someone there told me they are absolutely overwhelmed, a million refugees currently on their way from the east of the country and they desperately need support to get fuel into buses to get those people over the border because the city itself can't help. so a huge humanitarian crisis in kyiv right now?
>> any further news from mariupol? >> reporter: shocking footage coming out of irpin, a suburb of kyiv. ukrainians have told me the footage is legitimate. you're seeing mortars hitting civilians, people dying, people fleeing. i spoke to a politician in kyiv last night who told me she was expecting kyiv to come under siege in the next day. it's possible we start to see kyiv gradually become encircled. representatives from mariupol's mayor's office tell us it's been six days since they've been without food or water. there are green zones that have been negotiated. they're trying to get 200,000 people out of mariupol which is in the southeast of the country, near the crimea. that's out of 500,000.
to 40% of the population wants to get out, they can't get out. they've called off the evacuation again today. a dire situation in all parts of the country. what's incredible is you've seen peaceful protests all over the country, even parts of the country occupied by russia. kharkiv, which has been occupied since the first days of the war, a huge rally, peaceful protest calling on russians to leave the city. yesterday we saw ukrainians chanting for the russians to leave. the ukrainians are desperate for peace and are absolutely pushing hard for the west to give them the support. today president zelenskyy was urging nato to give support, every ukrainian i spoke to here is desperately asking for a no-fly zone to give them an even chance in this fight. >> you think about these peaceful protests, just remarkable, particularly in
russian occupied areas you mentioned, misha. when it comes to ukrainians taking up arms and trying to take the fight to the streets against russian soldiers, russian tanks, russian missiles, tell me what you're witnessing or hearing about. >> reporter: right across the country, ukrainians have rallied to the call of their president. the president said anyone who wants a weapon can get one. near in lviv, weapons are being delivered every single day. i was at a gun shop yesterday, the line was 20 deep, people waiting to get themselves a weapon so they can join the territorial defense, which is the city defenses, join the ukrainian army itself or other groups. women, men, old, young, are prepared to defend their country. a ukrainian politician i spoke to said she's trying to rally ukrainian women to fight. she believes that putin, as he shifts to greater mobilization of the russian population, has
miscalculated on the fighting spirit of ukrainians, particularly woman. she says if women would fight, it would tip the scales in favor of the ukrainians. the spirit of the ukrainians is high. 82% of ukrainians believe they'll prevail in this spite, despite everything we've seen so far. their spirits are very high. they're digging in for a longer, more drawn-out struggle, but absolutely, any guns people can get, they're getting their hands on them. politicians, battle groups, the military groups, are desperately asking for weaponry. if they can't get a no-fly zone, they're saying give us every option available in terms of armory because they want to fight for their country. >> of course they're exhausted at this point, they'll keep going. if they're not being supplied with the kind of food they need, the energy they need, they're not able to get sleep at night for fear of having where they are be bombed, it is quite remarkable that they are carrying on in spite of all of
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more breaking news out of ukraine right now. a short time ago evacuations out of mariupol were called off. that city has been without heat, electricity and water for days now. president zelenskyy is warning russian forces are preparing to bomb the city of odesa, saying, quote, this will be a war crime. the leader once again pleading to nato allies for a no-fly zone over ukraine. u.s. ambassador to the united nations linda thomas-greenfield responding to those calls this morning. >> president biden has been
very, very clear that american troops will not be put on the ground or in the air to escalate this war and make this an american war against the russians. but we also have been very clear that we will support ukraine in every other way possible. >> meantime, visa and mastercard announcing they're suspending operations in russia, further squeezing the country's financial institutions. the suspension means visa cards issued in russia would no longer work outside the country and cards issued outside of russia will not work within the russian federation. while back here in the u.s., protests are taking place across the country against the russian invasions, showing support for the ukrainian people. some new concerns that russia could use wnba star brittney griner use high profile hostage of sorts. the american basketball player was arrested last month at an airport near moscow, accused of having cartridges with cannabis oil. let's go to nbc's catie beck who
is following developments in the story for us. catie, welcome. what do we know about greiner's status in russia? >> reporter: hey, alex. we certainly don't have enough information to have a complete picture of exactly what's going on there. we know that sometime in february, she passed through the security checkpoint and according to russian officials, they found that vaping cartridge with cannabis oil inside. since that time, she has been in russian custody. whether that was days ago or weeks ago, no one is yet putting that information on the record. what we're gathering from multiple sources is it's like been somewhere from three weeks to a month that she's been held in russian custody. her family, her friends, the wnba, and even her agent all putting out a statement saying they are deeply concerned about her, about her case. they are monitoring things closely. and their top concern is her safety, her physical and mental health, and making sure she gets
a safe return home. but right now, it's unclear as to whether there are going to be charges brought, there's going to be a court hearing, or how expeditious, if it's possible she can get out of the country. those questions are foggy right now. the state department not offering much either. we reached out yesterday, and they gave us a vague statement just saying they always try and support americans that find themselves in legal problems abroad, but did not mention her case specifically by name. i think the bigger question that you brought up as well is, will this be used as a political tool, is there leverage here. she is a celebrity, she is a star athlete. her name is known in the united states. so is this a coincidence or is there something more to this, more sinister that could be happening here? we did speak to one historian on russia and europe and this is what she had to say about those charges. >> russia has very, very strict drug laws. these are completely trumped-up charges.
even if she did use these vape pens, this is not in any way, shape, or form enough to be charged with trafficking which is essentially what she's being charged with. that part is what makes this very, you know, particular and very worrisome. >> reporter: now, that possible sentence could be up to ten years, alex, from what that historian tells us. this is not similar to the united states where finding cannabis oil at a checkpoint may result in a misdemeanor charge or a citation. this is very serious and i think her family and greater network knows that. right now i think as they said, they are watching and waiting and hoping that there is a resolution in sight. >> catie, you may not have an answer to this, but do we know if she's been actually arrested? we've heard the word "detained" used. there is a difference, certainly for us. in russia do we know if they're distinguishing between those two? >> reporter: we know she's the subject of a criminal
investigation. we do know that. that was confirmed by russian authorities. we don't know if it's a formal arrest or if it's been tied to a charge yet. we just know that she is being held since she passed through that checkpoint sometime in february. and we assume that she was in russia to play basketball. she's played there the past seven years. a lot of wnba players take that as an opportunity to make some additional money. the pay is quite good, and she's been doing that for the past seven years. so we don't know if she was coming or going when she was stopped but we assume she was over there to play basketball. >> in fact she wasn't playing at the time for the phoenix mercury who has been her team for a long time, she is a superstar, she's got two olympic gold medals under her belt. catie, thank you so much. meanwhile, ukrainian refugees now numbering 1.5 million, most fleeing with little or nothing.
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despite an agreement to open a humanitarian corridor. at least 1.5 million ukrainians have crossed into neighboring countries in what the u.n. is calling the fastest growing refugee crisis in europe since world war ii. my colleague msnbc's ali velshi has been witnessing some of this exodus firsthand. he's joining us from hungary, on the border a thousand feet from ukraine. i've heard you tell these heartbreaking stories of people leaving their homes but also stories of hope. help us understand what people are going through there right now. >> reporter: alex, you're right, i'm a thousand feet, the border with ukraine is just over there, and hungary is getting about 12, 12.5% of the people who are coming out of ukraine. most are going to poland, poland is better at this, but some are coming to hungary, because
budapest has connections to places people might go because they have family. we've got a church group, about every 40 minutes or so through the course of the day, it's later in the evening so it's not happening as much because there's a curfew on the ukrainian side, but 40 minutes through the course of the day, a bus will pull up, refugees will get off. it's overwhelmingly women and children, a few elderly men or boys under the age of 18 because men between 18 and 60 have to stay in ukraine to fight. the buses look like the ones you've seen. earlier a young woman named dana came up to speak to me and tell me a little bit about how she's feeling. how are you feeling right now? >> not really. i'm scared. my country, my town, all my friends there, my friends are sleeping in parks or something like this. it's not really comfortable. >> reporter: what happens now,
are you going to stay here tonight and then you'll go to budapest? >> we're going now to budapest, and then we will make our passport and get to the airport, maybe tomorrow or two days, three days. >> reporter: do you believe that you can go home? >> of course. i believe it. >> reporter: you see what's happening in your country. how does it make you feel? >> i don't want to see this. >> reporter: now, that's one side of the story, and it's devastating, alex. but the other side of the story is the degree to which there are civilians, like i said, church groups, the red cross, the unhcr, who are all here to help these people. one man who came here, the deputy mayor of a little town 250 kilometers from here, he
came to drop off some food nine days ago and never left. listen to this. you've been here nine days. >> yes. >> reporter: the ninth day. >> yes. >> reporter: how do you feel? >> how do i feel? ten days before, i didn't believe that i will have a meeting with the doctors in my own city to collect money and collect special medical stuff and send to ukraine, to the hospitals, because they don't have equipment available. and two days before, i had to go home and focus on priorities because it's really nice here, that a lot of food and a lot of stuff, and we take care of the refugees. but if we can't give to the refugees, because they are
bleeding out in ukraine, it's -- >> reporter: it hurts you to see this. >> of course. you can't prepare yourself for this. you can't. but after nine days now, i have experience in this. nobody has experience in this war situation here. but we have to focus. >> reporter: he makes the point that we can't change things for them but if we can do a few things for these refugees on a daily basis, it will help. that is the attitude that a lot of civilians have taken here in hungary. there's an abundance of food, there's a man who was out here barbecuing sandwiches and giving them -- he made 120 sandwiches for people coming in. it's that kind of thing that is going on. it's devastating, alex, it's devastating to hear these stories, it's heartbreaking. but we are also seeing the
strength of the human spirit, both in these refugees and in the people of eastern europe who are coming out to support them. >> i'm grateful you're bringing us those stories as well as what you're seeing there unfortunately in ukraine. thank you, my fend, stay safe. i'll look forward to seeing your reports with us and on your own show. thank you, ali. support groups are rushing to deliver food and lifesaving medicine. james elder, i'm glad to have you here particularly on the heels of that report we just heard. the u.n. agency says 1.5 million people have fled ukraine in the last ten days. tell me what you and fellow staffers are seeing where you are. >> people are trapped in bunkers now, without power, without warmth, who are under bombardment. the mothers i speak to who lie over their children at night in
bunkers, not so much for warmth but they think it's an extra layer of protection from the missiles that keep raining in. so as long as the conflict continues, we keep seeing children killed. and then of course 1.5 million people, fastest growing refugee crisis since world war ii, three-quarters of a million children. we see those stories, as your correspondent showed, alex, we hear what that means, why children no longer cry, because of the trauma. this is what we're seeing in all corners of the country. >> as horrific as that is to hear, james, i'm curious how much worse you think the humanitarian crisis can get. >> we haven't seen -- as a ukrainian said to me, as your correspondent said, they're very positive, we haven't seen the bottom of the pit yet.
i'm terrified for what this could look like. there's no slowing down in the flow of people leaving. that's 100,000 or more a day. there is no slowing down in bombardment. we've seen people try to leave, we've seen humanitarian corridors be broken and time and again, civilians seeking to leave and killed. it can continually get worse. we can see what happened today, again and again and again. the strength of those ukrainians who are trying to help their fellow citizens, as you saw on the border of neighboring countries, is being exhausted. not to say it won't continue, but i can see it getting much worse, horrendously. i'm sorry. >> i'm sorry to hear that. james, you tweeted earlier photos of a makeshift maternity ward in kharkiv, which of course has suffered tremendous damage. how are babies, newborn, precious babies and their moms, how are they getting the supplies they need in wartime?
are there resources you need the most to help them? >> it's a great question, alex. you've seen makeshift hospitals, you're seeing babies in incubators, how do we get babies in incubators out of the country? the doctors, the selfless pediatricians in wartime. there are good days when you see volunteers and grandmothers cooking. there are good days when you see 60 plus tons of supplies from unicef come across into ukraine today, surgical equipment, oxygen resuscitation equipment, that's going to hospitals as you and i speak from kyiv, the capital, to kharkiv, more than 50 hospitals. that's lifesaving equipment, and that's what unicef will keep doing. this is the very beginning, sadly, but we will see tons and tons more of that go to those very brave doctors and moms who are giving birth in those places you spoke of. >> hey, james, everybody who is watching right now, what can they do to help unicef's efforts?
>> look, the support is wonderful. i wish there was a magic way beyond just generosity of spirit, the open-heartedness we see. a surgical kit, a kit for children for recreation, they cost money. unicef usa, we have amazing colleagues there, anyone with a few extra dollars this sunday, unicefusa.org. >> bless you, james, for you are and the work unicef is doing, stay strong. on day 11 of russia's invasion of ukraine, growing concern and frustration. what more can be done and what more should be done. what americans feel as they see the horror playing out. ross the. small businesses are fed up with big bills and 5g maps that are mostly gaps— they're switching to t-mobile for business and getting more 5g bars in more places.
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gallon of gas reaching $4 today. 8 cents more than yesterday, 40 cents more than a week ago. we're looking at the highest gas prices since 2008, but some moat rates are saying the price hike is worth it. >> willing to pay more for gas if it meant more restrictions on russia? >> personally, yeah, i probably would honestly. i feel like it's just a little price that might need to pay. >> i would rather support ukraine in whatever we can. if that means gas prices hike up, i would pay it. >> also consider 80% of americans in a recent poll say the u.s. should stop buying oil from russia. that is an option the white house is now weighing. as putin's war on ukraine escalates, back here in the u.s. many are watching these atrocities unfold and the humanitarian crisis growing dierg by the day and wondering why aren't we doing more. here to help the question, don callaway, voter protection
action fund. susan del percio, and congressman jolly, former msnbc contributor. you might bring comfort this these tough times. susan, to you first. right now we have a lot of americans feeling helplessness, even guilt. it's felt on both sides of the aisle. that's rare these days, unanimous sentiment. do you share those feelings and how do you make sense of it all? >> of course, i share the feelings. just look at the images you're displaying now. ali velshi reporting, the other people we've seen in ukraine are reporting what's happening. it is so frustrating to think that we can't do more. and there's also been more bipartisanship on foreign policy, and today on the sunday talk shows, we saw democrats and republicans both saying to institute a no-fly zone would require us taking action against
russia on russian soil. so we really need to do, i think, a better job communicating what options are there and when they say no-fly zone what that means. and oil prices, what to do at the pump. alex, at the u.s., 10% of the oil supply comes from russia. where as europe it's 40%. one thing ivan has done so very well is defend the international leader so he doesn't have to take into consideration our european partners. >> you know, dawn, it's so hard to offer anything therapeutic here, for you guys, for the viewers at all. but go beyond politics. what are you thinking and feeling right now? >> i wake up and end every day as an african american, fundamentally a black man.
i've seen a lot of social media that we don't care about ukraine because of the treatment they are affording the african immigrants just like european citizens are white folks in ukraine. i tell folks we have the right tom ambivalent on this. dr. king told us so many years ago, we have the right to be concerned about ukrainians and the humanitarian crisis because of the escalating war. we also have a right to be concerned about immigrants most lit from africa being denied refugee status in poland and be warm and receiving to all refugees. we ask ukrainian people get your footprint together and include africans in the universe and consider their safety.
and stop putin's tierney and we can do both things at one time. >> absolutely well said. we are seeing black people get pushed off of trains, sometimes in the place of having animals and pets be brought on with the families. understand how people love their pets, but it has been beyond awful to see that. you can't compare the two. let me get to you about this one, david. i want to look at what tom nichols has written about emotions in his piece in the atlantic, stay calm, america. public figures and ordinary voters advocating for intervention do so from the comfort of offices and homes where they can stand sound resolute by employing euphemism no-fly zone, which is no war. we stand by and watch a dictator
murder innocents. we did not do this in czechoslovakia. we allowed war crimes to reach horrific levels in rwanda. they stood by as the syrian regime used chemical weapons against civilians that took half a million lives. we avoided too much criticism in chechnya. there have been global atrocities like in ukraine and we have collectively sat and watched it happen. but as heartbreaking and as wrong as it feels, not intervening, is that the only option we have to avoid something even worse? >> alex, this was a decision ten years in the making, and i think what is unique about today is we all live as social media actors who respond right away and expect that response to generate
results. i would build on tom's narrative here and suggest that, you know, the united states current strategy is to economically cripple russia or hopefully create enough political and civil unrest in the country that vladimir putin feels the strain and perhaps is even deposed -- disposed of. that is not likely to happen. the dirty secret is the united states and the west for the decade decided protecting ukraine militarily is not in our national security interest. and so today the west is willing to let ukraine fall to russia before it will engage in military action. and to tom's point, i know lawrence o'donnell, your colleague on the network as well has pointed out, a no-fly zone is essentially the decision to engage in armed combat with the russians. and we don't have the political appetite for that in the united states or in the west. and we don't have leaders trying to draw us into consensus around that. so the world will watch if
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